From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Oct 12 00:38:39 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id AAA22906; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:38:39 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (root@tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id AAA22896 ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:38:38 +1300 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p37-max27.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.103.165]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16965 ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:33:11 +1300 Message-Id: <199810111133.AAA16965@smtp1.ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: Agenda Item re Ritual magic Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:29:53 +1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Jim Arona" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. ---------- > From: Jacqui Smith > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: Agenda Item re Ritual magic > Date: Sunday, October 11, 1998 8:21 PM > > > >As far as b) is concerned, these are player concerns, not DM ones. You > >might say that it's tedious to have to watch a player roll to make the > >required number of casts, and let's have done with it. But you don't argue > >that it should change because you don't like having to make the rolls as a > >player...Come on, Jacqui...Turn your bloody brain on...You are asking for a > >change that will have an impact on the game to some degree or other...I > >think you owe the other DMs some proper DM reasons, not an airing of what > >one of your character's thinks would be more interesting. > > Actually, Jim, I rather think that you need urgently to turn on that part > of the human personality which has learned that insulting people is no way > to persuade them to listen to your opinions. You may have a point about the insult. I offer my apologies for it...But I would like you to know that I find self-interested argument in roleyplaying very annoying, particularly when it promotes the interests of players over DMs. > > In fact, I have no particular player concern in this area. It was a matter > that came up at a GMs meeting and I offered to present it in a form able to > be voted on. As you would have realised had you read the message more > carefully before reacting. Whether or not you like the comment, it is a widely held belief, that your interests in the architecture of roleplaying only become fully engaged when your own character's well-being is at stake...Ask others if you don't beleive me... Therefore, it is almost impossible to determine whether or not you are arguing to support a rule that will benefit of one of your characters, or if you have an actual, disinterested point to make...You have no credibility in this area. > > Incidentally the term DM is only appropriate in AD&D. In DQ I believe the > correct term is GM. Perhaps you'd consider using it. I know that, Jacqui, I have after all DMed more frequently, and over a wider range of games than you have. And, I am a literate and eloquent writer...Might it not have occurred to you that I like the term? It has more style, grace and connotations than a term as bland as Game Master. Finally, Jacqui, I think that if you have a disinterested point to make, then make it as a DM, not as what you find tedious as a player...DMs do watch for the enjoyment of their players, and should be able to judge if something is annoying to players in general, rather than to 1 or 2...And if that is what you meant, try and make it clear to people. Jim. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from --