From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sun Oct 18 15:13:10 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id PAA00405; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:13:10 +1300 Received: from gate.datacom.co.nz (gate.datacom.co.nz [202.27.76.67]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id PAA00395 ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:13:08 +1300 Received: from dslak3.dslak.co.nz ([192.203.216.7]) by gate.datacom.co.nz (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA14411 ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:06:36 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by dslak3.dslak.co.nz with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDFAA9.25CFE300@dslak3.dslak.co.nz>; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 03:08:22 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Trading Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 03:08:34 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 From: Noel Livingston {DSL AK} To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. This is an attempt to set some of the trading and cities in the western kingdom and surrounds, who a city / duchy trades with and their trading rivals is likely to have major impact on the politics. Generally raw materials will be exported as it seems unlikely that any guilds in a city would allow large importation of goods they produce, threatening their livelihood and because of this the income of their lord. Restrictive import duties would be applied or bans depending on the strength of the guild. Raw materials ( not a complete list ) Bulk Food ( Grains ) Herbs and luxury foods Wines, beers, spirits Gems and precious stones Essences and purfumes Skins and Hides Rope and Hemp Wool Cloths from cottons to silks Wood of Various types Glass and porcelan Iron Copper Lead Tin Silver Gold Truesliver Dyes Major Trading Regions ( on sea or major river access ) Novadon Three Sisters Cazarla Ranke Flenargh Aladar Brandenburg ?? sorry my maps a little blurred so Ill butcher the names going around the map Ehrador Artzhost Elogelumn Destiny ??? ( gold ) needs wood for ships Novadon - pop 5000 Located on Mouth of river to the south of the Filgiso forest and north of the gatar depression. Upstream are swamps infested by saureme. Most food production from fishing in which this city is self sufficinent. However other foods, beers, wines and such are welcome imports for the middle classes. Peasantry number about 40,000 who work in dye production using the rare plants grown in the swamps and gem mines located along and within the gatar depression. The prince is extremely wealthy and maintains a large and well used military force to guard againt the constant menaces of the filgiso to the north, saureme to the east and orcs to the south in the depression. Exports Gems, Dyes Imports Grains, Wines, Beer, Metals Cazarla - Trading Capital Seagate pop 13000 Cazarla has generally poor soil despite the attention of numerous witches and boasts a peasant population of only about 100,000 or less than half the required to provide food. Although alot of fishing is done in the river and confederation bay large quantities of grains and food need to be imported. Stonesborg is a major suppier of charcoal for the smelters with fires from the charcoalers and smoke about, a grimy town fill of blackened people. Fine hardwoods for export are milled to the east of arns ferry with rafts of logs being floated down the river for export, for shipbuilding. Throughout cazarla are mines, many worked clear, many still active. They produce tin, lead, silver and mercury. This is why the major coinage used in seagate are the seagate penny which is generally high in tin. Smelters exist in most of the towns with poisoned lakes and polluted streams nearby ( it is commonly known to be unhealthy to swim in streams in cazarla especially the "sweetwaters". Imports - Food Exports - Tin, Silver, Lead, Mercury, Hardwoods Aladar Exports - Food ? Could other people wish to fill in their area's or places they know of. To be self sufficient a peasant population of about 20x the city size is needed, although if there is rich fisheries or land this may differ. The aim of this is to fill in the world picture, for instance adventurers could be paid fifty tons of grain when the crops come in which is readily salable in seagate. Lots of old mines are cool adventure sites / orc living quarters. Lead and Mercury in the water is a good reason for the madness displayed by adventurers and paticularly stupid peasants and the drinking of beer and wines, you don't drink water, its unhealthy. If agreed and seagate imports food then sea blockade, crop failure elsewhere would have major impacts ( I assume the duke has grainaries ), a good reason for adventurers to save food producing areas from eternal winter and such. Other places which are rivals and export tin, silver, lead or mercury could have adventurers sent to disrupt their trade. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sun Oct 18 17:03:06 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id RAA00474; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:03:06 +1300 Received: from gate.datacom.co.nz (gate.datacom.co.nz [202.27.76.67]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id RAA00465 ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:03:05 +1300 Received: from dslak3.dslak.co.nz ([192.203.216.7]) by gate.datacom.co.nz (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA14825 ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:56:33 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by dslak3.dslak.co.nz with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDFAB8.82C69220@dslak3.dslak.co.nz>; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 04:58:21 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Silver Mining vs Seagate Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 04:57:19 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 From: Noel Livingston {DSL AK} To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Cazarlan Silver Mining. The major export of Seagate is Silver, Copper, Lead and Tin. Other base metals such as mercury are also extracted and sold. The Seagate silver penny is one of the common coins of the kingdom, it is high in tin and other impurities and is coined in the Seagate mint. Most of the major towns have a smelter where ore is refined before being sent to seagate. These require charcoal to fire which is mainly supplied by the inhabitants of Stonesborg. The smelters and mines which dot the countryside are surronded by alarmingly poisoned lands which even the best magics seem unable to cleanse, the rivers also are polluted. Miners and those that work in the smelters require regular healing, in backwoods areas the lifespan of a miner is very short indeed. Although there has been reports of attacks by elves and nature lovers in some areas generally the duke has maintained order. Healers capable of curing poison have an endless supply of work. The deeper mines have major problems with flooding which have been solved by the use of water powered water pumps, power transmission and such by mechanicians. Due to the poison in the water the use of water breathing is highly inadvisable. Mechanicians can oftern get work setting up pumps to allow mining of deep rich mines. Historically there was a period of economic crisis prior to the widespread use of pumps as the shallower mines were worked out and the easily accesable silver removed. These pumps require coal to power which is imported from ??? A hazard of note are the older mines which are oftern inhabited by monsters and fiends. Due to the nature of silver mines the mines were mined vertically with very deep pits connected by occasional cross tunnels, generally in a north south direction. Many of these have been added upon by inhabitants over the years with the sharts being used as pit traps. Adventurers should beware of pits dropping hundreds of feet into "bottomless" pools of highly poisonous water. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sun Oct 18 17:05:05 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id RAA00500; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:05:05 +1300 Received: from gate.datacom.co.nz (gate.datacom.co.nz [202.27.76.67]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id RAA00489 ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:05:04 +1300 Received: from dslak3.dslak.co.nz ([192.203.216.7]) by gate.datacom.co.nz (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA14838 ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:58:32 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by dslak3.dslak.co.nz with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDFAB8.C9C0E3B0@dslak3.dslak.co.nz>; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 05:00:20 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 05:00:11 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 From: Noel Livingston {DSL AK} To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. oops -- can also have wind and water powered pumps ( sorry mechanicians everywhere ) -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sun Oct 18 17:56:53 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id RAA00565; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:56:53 +1300 Received: from gate.datacom.co.nz (gate.datacom.co.nz [202.27.76.67]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id RAA00554 ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:56:52 +1300 Received: from dslak3.dslak.co.nz ([192.203.216.7]) by gate.datacom.co.nz (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA15082 ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:50:20 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by dslak3.dslak.co.nz with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDFAC0.05AE3650@dslak3.dslak.co.nz>; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 05:52:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Novadon gem collection and Dye production Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 05:52:09 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 From: Noel Livingston {DSL AK} To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Gems During the formation of the gatar depression gems were formed. These are oftern concentrated in regions and are extracted by digging the near rock hard ground in the blazing sun and sifting them out. There is little or no water so extraction is tedious and backbreaking work. Many of the richer mines are located deeper in the wastes and are worked by criminals, the lifespan of such a worker is oftern measured in months. The prince maintains a heavy military presence to discourage the insessant attacks by orcs and the hideous monsters that the waste seems to spawn. Over the years there have been several revots by criminals who now form bandit groups and orc raids where gems and people have been taken. Dye production The swamps to the east of Novadon are farmed for dye producing water plants near the city, these are harvested and processed into fine dyes for the kindom. Exports to the lunar empire also exist with gold being returned, this is one reason for the wealth of the prince. The saureme are present but too disorganised to pose any serious threat, however occasionally a peasant will be taken if he is out at night or travels by himself. This is generally accepted as part of life by the workers, a feeling outsiders will find hard to come to terms with. Filgiso A note should be mentioned about the filgiso across the river to the north of novadon. Strong watches are kept on the northern walls with witchsighted troops weilding silvered weapons. The prince early in his reign tried to colonise and subjugate the lands but lost so many men has deemed it wilds and will not risk his men in further attempts, most soldiers would leave his service or revolt rather than enter. He has been known to hire adventurers to go into these lands and some even return, generally vowing never to return regardless that he pays generously. People here generally make signs of protection when questioned about the filgiso and hurry away from the madmen. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sun Oct 18 18:32:26 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id SAA00613; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:32:26 +1300 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id SAA00595 ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:32:25 +1300 Received: from phaeton.ihug.co.nz (p36-max1.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.97.36]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA07612 ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:25:47 +1300 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981018130557.007ab100@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: phaeton@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:05:57 +1300 Subject: Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Keith Smith To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. At 03:06 17/10/98 +0100, you wrote: > >What are the main exports / imports of Cazarla > >Who are the duchy's trading rivals ?. >Who do they trade with ? > >If the population of Cazarla is less that sufficient to provide food for >Seagate, given that it is a trading city and would need a 20:1 peasant >to townsman ratio to maintain ( Am I correct in assuming this ? ) and >gm's don't want cazarla to be densly populated. >The imports would be food, what would the exports be ( lumber ?, iron ?, >gold ? ). Actually I see Carzala of having more of an agricultural based economy so I figure they'd be exporting things like wood, furs, some foodstuffs etc. Prices are very market driven i.e. something can be expensive one month because it's rare then the price drops as more of it comes in from somewhere else. Plus, I think that some of Carzala is still wilderness - part of the frontier. Could be wrong about that though. >Interesting situations may well develop such as Cazarla providing the >wood for Destiny's fleets even though we don't like each other >politically, trade must continue... Wouldn't surprise me. Probably happens enough in this world too. >Where are these mines / lumber mills etc -- endangerment of them could >be an important plot device. >Where are the trading routes for goods from seagate -- endangerment >could be an important plot device. Most of the trade would go down the Sweetwater, through Seagate, and into Confederation Bay. The main exceptions would be the smaller coastal ports, such as Seacroft, although that'll mostly be local coastal trading. The big ships go to Seagate as the docks are bigger and can handle them. My opinions anyway. Keith (phaeton@ihug.co.nz) -- See message headers to unsubscribe from --