From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 00:12:10 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id AAA06684; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:12:10 +1300 Received: from kcbbs.gen.nz (kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id AAA06673 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:12:10 +1300 Received: from LOCALNAME (as5200-47.kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.77]) by kcbbs.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA23414 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:02:24 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19981020233056.49f704d2@kcbbs.gen.nz> X-Sender: salient@kcbbs.gen.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:30:56 Subject: Seagate Economics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Brent & Sally To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Some background for those who are interested : Noel Livingston wrote: >What are the main exports / imports of Cazarla My guess would be : Exports ------- Food (mainly root vegetables) Beef (from Carzalan Beeves and farmed stock) Furs (from local hunters, Brastor and the Sea of Grass barbarian tribes) Hides (from Carzalan Beeves and Sea of Grass tribes via Brastor Holdings) Leather Goods (Carzala and Brastor both have tanning and leather industries) Pipe Weed (I know of at least one plantation near Seagate) Silver (from Superstition Mtns via Brastor Holdings) >Major Trading Regions ( on sea or major river access ) Seagate is Brastor's port as well as Carzala's. The majority of all trade is by ship. Overland trade routes are North to Ranke and South East from Brastor. But even most of Brastor's goods arrive via boats on the Sweetwaters. >Novadon - pop 5000 >Located on Mouth of river to the south of the Filgiso forest and north >of the gatar depression. Unless the maps have changed dramatically (which they could well have done), the Filigiso is to the west (separated from it by Gryphon valley), and the Gatar depression is to the east. To the north is a swampy valley, and eventually Brastor (a little to the west), and to the South is a swampy delta and the sea (what a stupid place to build a city !). [All the rest that Noel wrote sounds good to me apart from directions, and that Arab nomads live in the Gatar depression (not orcs)]. Novadom could also export high grade agate, if Gryphon nest looters manage to survive long enough. >Cazarla - Trading Capital Seagate pop 13000 The plains to the south of Carzarla have large herds of Beeves which are hunted for food. Cazarla is at the mouth of the Sweetwater, as such it is built on a delta, so has very rich soils and good argriculture. Cazarla is a nett exporter of food. Furs, hides and meat are the major exports. Fishing is good both in the Sweetwaters and in Confederation Bay. A large fleet operates out of Seagate, and a few boats (supplying the local market) sail from Seacroft. Stonesboro is a supplier of lumber and herbs. Carzala's probably the cheapest place around to buy Leather Armour (check out the Armour chart !). At 01:48 PM 19/10/98 +1300, Stephen Martin wrote: >My feeling has always been that Carzala has a lower population than an >equivalent region in the baronies. And large portions of what the Duke >claims as part of Carzala are uncivilsed wildlands. > >It has a few special features that make it more important than it would >normally be: >The Guild >On the only land trade route from east to west that doesn't need to >cross mountains. >Has a good port and harbour, is a good place to stop for sea routes. >It's bounded by some "interesting" areas and some uncivilised lands. >Fertile land fed by the sweetwater, which is partially magical in origin. >Politically it's relatively neutral. > >Seagate is primarily a trade town, it's at a junction of land and sea >routes. >The relatively rich adventurers and their expensive and exotic tastes >lead to a number of businesses, specialist mechants and craftsmen that >would not normally be seen in this sort of town. And they in turn >attract a number of people interested in their services. >Seagate has a large number of hospitality oriented businesses (taverns, >brothels, boarding houses, etc.) due to adventurers, their employers, >merchants, skilled craftsmen and their customers. >Seagate's transitory population would be fairly high > >Compared to the rest of the baronies Seagate would be an exciting and >exotic place to be, but also stressful and sometimes dangerous. Brastor Holdings ---------------- An inland duchy with major trading parties of Carzala, Novadom, Superstition Mountain Dwarives and the Sea of Grass barbarian tribes. They are self sufficient with regard to food and wood, and a major exporter of hides and leather goods. Most of their trade is with Carzala, as the overland route to Novadom is very hazardous with Gryphons and Lizardmen to contend with; the Dwarves in Superstition Mtns are few in number and their silver mines are not profligate; and the barbarian tribes only trade at big fairs twice a year (Spring and Autumn equinoxes). Brastor is also noted for its horse breeding. Brastor maintains a large standing army, the Castellan Borderers, which protect it from the ever present threat of the barbarians tribes of the Sea of Grass. Lately some attacks have also come from the Gryphons out of Gryphon valley to the South. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 00:11:53 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id AAA06660; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:11:53 +1300 Received: from kcbbs.gen.nz (kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id AAA06650 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:11:53 +1300 Received: from LOCALNAME (as5200-47.kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.77]) by kcbbs.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA23287 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:02:08 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19981020205823.4c272f64@kcbbs.gen.nz> X-Sender: salient@kcbbs.gen.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:58:23 Subject: Mechanician Traps Proposal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Brent & Sally To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Background ---------- I have been attempting to use the Spell Containment ability in the Merchanician skill (version 2.0). The current explanation lacks enough detail to be able to answer basic questions about the process. Reason for changes ------------------ Defined the materials and methods used to construct a magical trap. Removed the conflict between used items being "worthless" but being able to "reclaim their metal content". Presented a proposal for the October Gods Meeting, and was informed that "the clarifications are good but it was felt that the numbers should be left alone". Proposal -------- 1) Change the Mechanician version number to 2.1. 2) Number the headings in 39.4 to make reading and locating abilities easier. Replace "39.4 Special Abilities" with "39.4 Complex Locks", "39.5 Trap Construction", and "39.6 Spell Containment". 3) Replace the current paragraphs entitled "Spell Containment" with : Construction - The Mechanician with the "Spell Containment" and "Fine Materials" abilities can build a mechanical device into which a spell can be stored. The device is usually referred to as a magical trap, or a spell container. The device is made out of silver, truesilver or starsilver. Often the device is built inside or incorporating other materials with which the mechanician is familiar. Spell Storage - A single charge of a suitable spell may be stored in the trap or container by an Adept successfully casting a spell into the device after performing Ritual Spell Preparation. A double or triple effect stores an enhanced spell as specified by the Adept. A failure has no effect. A backfire affects the adept as normal, and also results in the device being damaged so that 20% more time and materials are required before another try at storing a spell may be attempted. The spell to be stored must include a Storage type of "Magical Trap". Triggering - The precise actions that will trigger the device must be specified at the time that the device is constructed. When these actions are performed the spell is released. The spell stored must either affect only the entity or object that triggered the release of the spell, or affect an area in relation to the device, as defined by the adept at the time of storage. Once the spell has been triggered the device is useless, although metal equal to 10% of the cost may be recovered. If the spell is dissipated, then 20% of the cost may be recovered. Formulae : Time to construct : 25 - (2 x Mechanician Rank) hours Time to store spell : (Spell Rank - Mechanician Rank) hours, (minimum 1, and maximum 10). Cost : (Spell Rank (minimum 1) x Spell EM) + 100 sp. Minimum Weight : (16 - Mechanician Rank) ounces. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 00:12:19 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id AAA06726; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:12:19 +1300 Received: from kcbbs.gen.nz (kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id AAA06715 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:12:18 +1300 Received: from LOCALNAME (as5200-47.kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.77]) by kcbbs.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA23487; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:02:33 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19981020235627.49f71b10@kcbbs.gen.nz> X-Sender: salient@kcbbs.gen.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:56:27 Subject: Overheard in the pub Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Brent & Sally To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. At 04:28 PM 20/10/98 +1300, Andrew Withy (FAL AKL) wrote: >A tiny cocoa-coloured halfling climbs onto a chair beside Ned & offers >him a drink. At some stage Bozo tracks down Faith, and over a drink and a meal discusses things with her in a strange language somewhat related to Elvish. Destiny is one word that will stand out. Bozo -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 00:12:13 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id AAA06703; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:12:13 +1300 Received: from kcbbs.gen.nz (kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id AAA06693 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:12:12 +1300 Received: from LOCALNAME (as5200-47.kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.77]) by kcbbs.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA23443 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:02:28 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19981020235006.4a074614@kcbbs.gen.nz> X-Sender: salient@kcbbs.gen.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:50:06 Subject: Re: Society and Magic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Brent & Sally To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. At 11:12 AM 20/10/98 +1300, Stephen Martin wrote: > >The question is not what it should be but what do we want. >Once we decide what we want we'll work out why things are that way. Or >don't decide, let characters draw their own conclusions. > >What do I want? .... Fantasy Look and Feel >This is the sanitized or holywoodised version of medieval society, [snip] I prefer gritty realism myself. I dislike what I have perceived as a current campaign trend towards Hollywood or cartoon-like adventures. But then I'm probably in the minority in my view that Adventurer's are fairly average people when they join the Guild, and it is some time before they become heroes. Take renaissance Europe, add healers and mages, and we end up with a 17th century society, with gunpowder and industry replaced by mages ! I think Alusia must be just starting a massive Renaissance. Most of the Colleges of Magics have opened their doors and started training anybody willing to pay for the training. Magic is no longer the closely guarded lore it was a scant generation or two ago. Well, that's my 2c worth. Cheers, Brent. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 01:27:15 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id BAA06862; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:27:15 +1300 Received: from aj.co.nz (ns.aj.co.nz [202.27.194.165]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id BAA06853 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:26:50 +1300 Received: by aj.co.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id CC2566A3.0042D82D ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:07:27 +1300 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ARMSTRONG JONES Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:54:41 +1300 Subject: Re: Guild Ego Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; Boundary="0__=Lnq44pmtuGmHmAUVdE1QJqrftyvpU2AjIPTerc5pLuE4eh1C84E1eZtI"; X-Lotus-Encap=encap3 From: rmansfield@aj.co.nz To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. --0__=Lnq44pmtuGmHmAUVdE1QJqrftyvpU2AjIPTerc5pLuE4eh1C84E1eZtI Content-type: text/plain Adam wrote: Consider a large, coastal city supported by the following: Trade: Ships powered by magic. Rune Portals. Industry: Mining/Metal Working/Construction etc with Elementals. Unbreakable machinery/Tools. Agriculture: Blessed crops. Water Mage irrigation etc. Control Weather. Plant Growth. Warfare: plenty of obvious applications there. And these are just the tip of the iceberg. A society with access to these kinds of resources would be a very "modern" society. But is this evident in Alusia? Not really. It's a "typical" medieval style world for the most part. Sure, there are pockets of this sort of thing, but given the obvious availability of magic users, you'd think it'd be everywhere. *** When GMing I have made an assumption that magic users are not 'common as mice' throughout Alusia. Seagate and Mittlemark Haupstadt have high levels of magic as they both have Magic Schools teaching multiple colleges. My view on the rest of Alusia on the idea that magic is taught the same way as most other stuff, indentured apprenticeships. In areas I solely GM I decide what type of magic is most likely and then build it into the ecomomy appropriately. This usually results in a)only a few colleges being taught locally and b)not eveything is obvious to the party (in the same way that we all know neurosurgeory is done here in Auckland, but how many of us know any neurosurgeons). This may or may not be acurate but allows me to keep to the early renaissance feel we are trying for in Alusia. 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mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id IAA07156; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:57:52 +1300 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id IAA07144 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:57:50 +1300 Received: via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/pcnz2.7) id IAA07028; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:50:46 +1300 Orig-Sender: Michael.Woodhams@peace.com Message-ID: <362CE994.5231C765@peace.co.nz> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:50:45 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cost of Living [was Re: Selling Xp] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Woodhams To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: Michael.Woodhams@peace.com X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Martin Dickson wrote: > OK... to explain. Poor is the baseline living cost. It assumes an annual > income and expenditure of 3650sp. This covers feeding, clothing and shelter to > the level described for that income leve. for a "household" or "hearth". This > is a social unit of approximately 10 people, usually an extended family. (Mum, > Dad, 4 kids, Grandpa, and Widowed Aunty Flo and her 2 children -- or Mortimer, > Petal, the triplets, 2 domestics, Moto, 3 dogs, 27 cats, and one paranoid > goldfish named "Mac" -- or Ned and his harem). > > So... 3650 / 10 people = 365sp per person per annum, or 1sp per person per > day. So the problem is that the only price that the rulebooks assign to living costs are assuming you are supporting 9 other people, while most adventurers are single. How much does it cost for one person to board with old Rev Dodgson in 'poor' conditions? How much for a young couple plus one baby? If poor living is 1sp/day in bulk, then 5sp/day at the guild ought to be a pretty good standard of living, rather than the 'gruel and a bed' normally described. Even if it is just a matter of clarifying the meaning of current numbers, the living costs rules still need revising. Michael W. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 09:52:37 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id JAA07226; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:52:37 +1300 Received: from date.palm.cri.nz (date.palm.cri.nz [161.66.1.20]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id JAA07216 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:52:36 +1300 Received: from mail1.marc.cri.nz (mail1.marc.cri.nz [161.29.1.1]) by date.palm.cri.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16094 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:37:08 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from hra1.marc.cri.nz (unverified [161.29.1.5]) by mail1.marc.cri.nz (Dr Solomon's SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:42:55 +1300 Message-Id: Received: from HRA1/SpoolDir by hra1.marc.cri.nz (Mercury 1.31); 21 Oct 98 09:46:06 GMT+12 Received: from SpoolDir by HRA1 (Mercury 1.31); 21 Oct 98 09:45:55 GMT+12 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:45:51 GMT+1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Mechanician Traps Proposal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT From: "Bart Janssen" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Hi Brent Can we have any variable effects of the spell defined at time of construction. That is things like lightening bolt will fire along long axis of device or wall will appear 15 feet in direction x and will be 8 feet high by 16 feet long etc. cheers Bart > > Background > ---------- > I have been attempting to use the Spell Containment ability in the > Merchanician skill (version 2.0). The current explanation lacks enough > detail to be able to answer basic questions about the process. > > Reason for changes > ------------------ > Defined the materials and methods used to construct a magical trap. > Removed the conflict between used items being "worthless" but being able to > "reclaim their metal content". > Presented a proposal for the October Gods Meeting, and was informed that > "the clarifications are good but it was felt that the numbers should be > left alone". > > Proposal > -------- > 1) Change the Mechanician version number to 2.1. > > 2) Number the headings in 39.4 to make reading and locating abilities > easier. Replace "39.4 Special Abilities" with "39.4 Complex Locks", "39.5 > Trap Construction", and "39.6 Spell Containment". > > 3) Replace the current paragraphs entitled "Spell Containment" > with : > > Construction - The Mechanician with the "Spell Containment" and "Fine > Materials" abilities can build a mechanical device into which a spell can > be stored. The device is usually referred to as a magical trap, or a spell > container. The device is made out of silver, truesilver or starsilver. > Often the device is built inside or incorporating other materials with > which the mechanician is familiar. > > Spell Storage - A single charge of a suitable spell may be stored in the > trap or container by an Adept successfully casting a spell into the device > after performing Ritual Spell Preparation. A double or triple effect > stores an enhanced spell as specified by the Adept. A failure has no > effect. A backfire affects the adept as normal, and also results in the > device being damaged so that 20% more time and materials are required > before another try at storing a spell may be attempted. The spell to be > stored must include a Storage type of "Magical Trap". > > Triggering - The precise actions that will trigger the device must be > specified at the time that the device is constructed. When these actions > are performed the spell is released. The spell stored must either affect > only the entity or object that triggered the release of the spell, or > affect an area in relation to the device, as defined by the adept at the > time of storage. Once the spell has been triggered the device is useless, > although metal equal to 10% of the cost may be recovered. If the spell is > dissipated, then 20% of the cost may be recovered. > > Formulae : > > Time to construct : 25 - (2 x Mechanician Rank) hours > > Time to store spell : (Spell Rank - Mechanician Rank) hours, > (minimum 1, and maximum 10). > > Cost : (Spell Rank (minimum 1) x Spell EM) + 100 sp. > > Minimum Weight : (16 - Mechanician Rank) ounces. > > > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- Saying Windows 95 is equal to Macintosh is like finding a potato that looks like Jesus and believing you've witnessed the second coming. -- Guy Kawasaki Bart Janssen Hort+Research Private Bag 92169 Auckland New Zealand ph 64 9 8154200 x 7279 fax 64 9 8154201 -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 10:12:32 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA07263; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:12:32 +1300 Received: from smtp.worley.co.nz (smtp.worley.co.nz [202.36.210.250]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id KAA07252 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:12:30 +1300 Received: by smtp.worley.co.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4C2566A3.00793969 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:04:05 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLEY CONSULTANTS Message-ID: <4C2566A3.0077BFF8.00@smtp.worley.co.nz> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:05:56 +1200 Subject: Re: Overheard in the pub Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: amtennant@worley.co.nz To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. >>A tiny cocoa-coloured halfling climbs onto a chair beside Ned & offers >>him a drink. >At some stage Bozo tracks down Faith, and over a drink and a meal discusses >things with her in a strange language somewhat related to Elvish. >Destiny is one word that will stand out. >Bozo [ Blitzkrieg ] Excuse me Bozo, miss. [you can see the Courtier training finally paying off] :) I was wondering if you had any first hand information on the situation regarding Destiny, the Spawn and.. [peers around] "Mr Yellow". We should talk in private. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 10:23:10 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA07313; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:23:10 +1300 Received: from date.palm.cri.nz (date.palm.cri.nz [161.66.1.20]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id KAA07302 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:23:08 +1300 Received: from mail1.marc.cri.nz (mail1.marc.cri.nz [161.29.1.1]) by date.palm.cri.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16491 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:07:28 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from hra1.marc.cri.nz (unverified [161.29.1.5]) by mail1.marc.cri.nz (Dr Solomon's SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:13:17 +1300 Message-Id: Received: from HRA1/SpoolDir by hra1.marc.cri.nz (Mercury 1.31); 21 Oct 98 10:16:29 GMT+12 Received: from SpoolDir by HRA1 (Mercury 1.31); 21 Oct 98 10:16:10 GMT+12 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:16:01 GMT+1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: magic in Alusia was Re: Guild Ego X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT From: "Bart Janssen" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. 7F00,0000,0000> *** > When GMing I have made an assumption that magic users are not 'common as > mice' throughout Alusia. Seagate and Mittlemark Haupstadt have high levels > of magic as they both have Magic Schools teaching multiple colleges. My > view on the rest of Alusia on the idea that magic is taught the same way as > most other stuff, indentured apprenticeships. In areas I solely GM I > decide what type of magic is most likely and then build it into the ecomomy > appropriately. This usually results in a)only a few colleges being taught > locally and b)not eveything is obvious to the party (in the same way that > we all know neurosurgeory is done here in Auckland, but how many of us know > any neurosurgeons). > > This may or may not be acurate but allows me to keep to the early > renaissance feel we are trying for in Alusia. Why are we trying for an early renaissance feel????? Shouldn't we be trying for a magical world feel. Sure technology at early renaissance but with magic. There was no magic in the early renaissance, ask any SCA member (is that the problem here too many SCA members wanting Alusia to be like medieval Europe?). The problem is that even with the number of mages at 1:1000 and even assuming variable abilities their influence on society would be huge. (cf modern society where the numbers of scientists and engineers is considerably lower than 1:1000). I personally believe that based on experiences of my characters in the field the ratio is closer to 1:100 than 1:1000 again with a variable range of abilities. Such a number would be more consistant with the fact that adventurers arrive at the guild complete with a whole college and the fact that most spells are freely available. It is also more consistant with the numbers of magic using "bad guys". While I accept that most people (players and GMs) want some kind of medieval flavour. What I find sad is that there is very little reflection of magic in the world. If you listen to some GMs you'd assume that the world is exactly the same as our own historical model and that somehow the presence of magic has failed to change life at all. This stretches even the most willing supension of disbelief. To get the kind of world some people seem to be trying to describe (ie close to the real world in numbers) my guess is you'd need less that 1 in 10 000 people with magical ability and even then there influence would probably be too great because magic in DQ is powerful. Moreover I cannot understand the opposition of some people to introducing a magical feel to the world. That is, making it "different" from our own history. What I would love to see is adventurers feeling like the world is "magical" and special. And not some reenactment of medieval England. Is there anything wrong with the assumption that the duke uses his mages to make sure that the weather is always fine at harvest time, yes it instantly means that the populations derived from medieval europe are meaningless but so what. Is there anything wrong with the Duke having mages in his army, yes it means that historical style battles are not possible but so what (Martin just showed that a battle with magic is possible to run it just requires imagination). Is there anything wrong with having healers prevent plagues, yes that means infant mortality is lower than in our history but so what. If the GMs all agree that we want a society that shows little or no influence from magic and is essentially modeled on medieval europe then so be it (personally I think that would be sad). BUT please please can we adjust the levels of magic in play to reflect that. And we should also at the same time stop starting new characters complete with colleges and we better figure out why guild members can't have HUGE effects on society and we better figure out just how mages learn special knowledge spells. In short we better do a lot of work to make the game system fit the world we portray. cheers Bart Saying Windows 95 is equal to Macintosh is like finding a potato that looks like Jesus and believing you've witnessed the second coming. -- Guy Kawasaki Bart Janssen Hort+Research Private Bag 92169 Auckland New Zealand ph 64 9 8154200 x 7279 fax 64 9 8154201 -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 10:26:09 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA07365; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:26:09 +1300 Received: from bo.nznet.gen.nz (nznet.gen.nz [203.98.34.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id KAA07355 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:26:08 +1300 Received: from takitimu.co.nz (max2-ak29.nznet.gen.nz [203.98.35.94]) by bo.nznet.gen.nz (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06803 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:27:28 +1300 Received: from takitimu.co.nz by takitimu.co.nz; Wed, 21 Oct 98 10:17:24 +1300 Message-ID: <362CFE36.9CB2C978@takitimu.co.nz> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:21:54 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cost of Living [was Re: Selling Xp] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelsie To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: kelsie@takitimu.co.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. > What this suggests is that horse prices are too low. :) > I think that they may have been directly introduced from the old DQ II > pricelist and not updated correctly. Along with trained animals which cost less than what it cost a beastmaster to train them. Kelsie -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 10:48:26 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA07521; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:48:26 +1300 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id KAA07512 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:48:25 +1300 Received: via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/pcnz2.7) id KAA15037; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:41:27 +1300 Message-ID: <362D049D.F961C478@peace.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:46:06 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Guild Ego Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Dickson To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Keith Smith wrote: > I see Carzala as being somewhat comparable (in certain aspects) to > late-medieval England. > > What would the average population density be, in England, at that time? We could expect that with some few rural mages around (most likely Witch and Earth -- perhaps Water for irrigation) that crop yields will be somewhat higher -- or at least more consistent and less subject to failure -- than their medieval equivalents. However there is a limit to what this can achieve without there being many mages or special magic involved. Even if the entire Slippery Rock coven blesses Farmer Brown's fields he will still only gain the bonus of one blessing. Anyway, I don't have a medieval population density for England, but these numbers may be useful in some way... they are a bit early and could be increased a little to represent better farming techniques and some magic... (and I don't remember now where I got these from, but I will try to find the source if anyone is really interested). DENSITY/MI2 COUNTRY 80 France 70 Germany 40 Spain 21 Poland/Lithuania Cheers, Martin -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 10:50:22 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA07554; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:50:22 +1300 Received: from mail.iconz.co.nz (mail.iconz.co.nz [202.14.100.36]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id KAA07543 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:50:22 +1300 Received: from mandos (e0.firewall.ak.iconz.net.nz [202.14.100.208]) by mail.iconz.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA184800908919798 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:43:19 +1300 (NZDT) Message-ID: <005e01bdfc72$88616f00$1564a8c0@mandos.ICONZ> Subject: Re: magic in Alusia was Re: Guild Ego Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:42:23 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01BDFCDF.7CC47BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Mandos Mitchinson" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BDFCDF.7CC47BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the GMs all agree that we want a society that shows little or no = influence from magic and is essentially modeled on medieval europe then = so be it (personally I think that would be sad). BUT please please can = we adjust the levels of magic in play to reflect that. And we should = also at the same time stop starting new characters complete with = colleges and we better figure out why guild members can't have HUGE = effects on society and we better figure out just how mages learn special = knowledge spells. In short we better do a lot of work to make the game = system fit the world we portray. I always assumed that the reason characters start with very little cash = was cos they have just spent all their money on training at the guild. = It kinda makes sence that those who have set out to earn their fortune, = have succeded a little and raised their heads above the flock, spend = their fortunes to raise to even greater levels.=20 I see adventurers as people who have already had an interesting life and = wish to go up a notch. Mandos /s ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BDFCDF.7CC47BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If the GMs all agree that we want a society that shows little or no = influence from magic and is essentially modeled on medieval europe then = so be it=20 (personally I think that would be sad). BUT please please can we adjust = the=20 levels of magic in play to reflect that. And we should also at the same = time=20 stop starting new characters complete with colleges and we better figure = out why=20 guild members can't have HUGE effects on society and we better figure = out just=20 how mages learn special knowledge spells. In short we better do a lot of = work to=20 make the game system fit the world we portray.
 
I always assumed that the reason characters start with very little = cash was=20 cos they have just spent all their money on training at the guild. It = kinda=20 makes sence that those who have set out to earn their fortune, have = succeded a=20 little and raised their heads above the flock, spend their fortunes to = raise to=20 even greater levels.
I see adventurers as people who have already had an interesting = life and=20 wish to go up a notch.
 
Mandos
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------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BDFCDF.7CC47BC0-- -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 11:54:01 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id LAA07615; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:54:01 +1300 Received: from date.palm.cri.nz (date.palm.cri.nz [161.66.1.20]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id LAA07606 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:53:59 +1300 Received: from mail1.marc.cri.nz (mail1.marc.cri.nz [161.29.1.1]) by date.palm.cri.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17780 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:38:31 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from hra1.marc.cri.nz (unverified [161.29.1.5]) by mail1.marc.cri.nz (Dr Solomon's SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:44:26 +1300 Message-Id: Received: from HRA1/SpoolDir by hra1.marc.cri.nz (Mercury 1.31); 21 Oct 98 11:47:37 GMT+12 Received: from SpoolDir by HRA1 (Mercury 1.31); 21 Oct 98 11:47:26 GMT+12 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:47:19 GMT+1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: magic in Alusia was Re: Guild Ego X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT From: "Bart Janssen" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. > I always assumed that the reason characters start with very little cash was cos they have just spent all their money on training at the guild. It kinda makes sence that those who have set out to earn their fortune, have succeded a little and raised their heads above the flock, spend their fortunes to raise to even greater levels. > I see adventurers as people who have already had an interesting life and wish to go up a notch. That's all very well but it fails to answer the question of where they could possibly have learned this college since magical colleges must be very rare, since mages are very rare. If there are really over a dozen magical college within 1000 miles of Seagate then that isn't rare. cheers Bart Saying Windows 95 is equal to Macintosh is like finding a potato that looks like Jesus and believing you've witnessed the second coming. -- Guy Kawasaki Bart Janssen Hort+Research Private Bag 92169 Auckland New Zealand ph 64 9 8154200 x 7279 fax 64 9 8154201 -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 12:00:02 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id MAA07651; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:00:02 +1300 Received: from fclaklmr01.fcl.co.nz ([203.98.14.148] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id MAA07638 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:00:00 +1300 Received: from falaklnt000.falum.co.nz ([10.8.1.20]) by fclaklmr01.fcl.co.nz (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP id nz ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:51:28 +1300 Received: by falaklnt000.falum.co.nz with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BDFCE9.83EE6460@falaklnt000.falum.co.nz>; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:54:10 +1300 Message-ID: Subject: RE: magic in Alusia was Re: Guild Ego Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:54:02 +1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. As the previous writer said, they probably learnt their College at the Guild. MMH & Seagate are the two known magical teaching establishments in the Baronies - everything else is done through apprenceship or private tutoring. This helps to explain the consistency in generals, learning styles, etc as well, as NPCs have lots of weird spells. >---------- >I always assumed that the reason characters start with very little cash was >cos they have just spent all their money on training at the guild. > >That's all very well but it fails to answer the question of where they could >possibly have learned this college since magical colleges must be very >rare, since mages are very rare. If there are really over a dozen magical >college within 1000 miles of Seagate then that isn't rare. > >Bart > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 12:22:48 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id MAA07696; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:22:48 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (root@tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id MAA07686 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:22:47 +1300 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p44-max25.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.103.44]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10653 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:15:37 +1300 Message-Id: <199810202315.MAA10653@smtp1.ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: magic in Alusia was Re: Guild Ego Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:10:49 +1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Jim Arona" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. > Moreover I cannot understand the opposition of some people to > introducing a magical feel to the world. I'm not at all surprised, Bart. You'd have difficulty understanding 'Janet and John'. Jim. Sneering. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 12:44:50 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id MAA07736; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:44:50 +1300 Received: from fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (fep2-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.2]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id MAA07727 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:44:49 +1300 Received: from qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.141]) by fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.9) with ESMTP id MAA07352; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:37:19 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:37:25 +1300 Message-ID: <15A7D8BC5E3ED2119E2E0000F82150FC0109AA@qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz> Subject: RE: Society and Magic Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:37:24 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain From: Stephen Martin To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Perhaps I painted too rosy a picture before. I agree with Mandos' reply to my post, there should be a range of socio-economic areas with reasonably realistic diversity. But the average quality of life in Alusia would be a lot higher than in almost any period of our history. And I would also like to make it perfectly clear that I don't advocate Toon style in dq. Have humour in our games - absolutely, turn our campaign into a joke - No. Gritty realism does have it's place in our campaign, generally it's at the low level end of the adventuring scale, when you don't have access to powerful magic and wierd abilities. Characters joining the guild will never be average Joes, your average Joe will be toeing the party line, following in their parents footsteps, working the farm or forge, or maybe being rebelious and running away to join the army. It would take an exceptional or unusual person to take up a profession that involves great personal risk, killing routinely, dealing with magic as part of everyday business, etc. Most would have an interest in learning magic (if they hadn't already) as shown by the number of mages in the guild. The reasons and backgrounds of characters may be wildly different but none of them would be average. And I agree that most adventurers would have received most if not all of their magical training at the guild before they're allowed out on their first adventure. Cheers, Stephen. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brent & Sally [SMTP:salient@kccs.co.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 12:50 PM > > At 11:12 AM 20/10/98 +1300, Stephen Martin wrote: > >What do I want? .... Fantasy Look and Feel > >This is the sanitized or holywoodised version of medieval society, > [snip] > > I prefer gritty realism myself. I dislike what I have perceived as a > current campaign trend towards Hollywood or cartoon-like adventures. > But > then I'm probably in the minority in my view that Adventurer's are > fairly > average people when they join the Guild, and it is some time before > they > become heroes. > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 15:14:44 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id PAA07838; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:14:44 +1300 Received: from fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (fep2-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.2]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id PAA07829 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:14:42 +1300 Received: from qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.141]) by fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.9) with ESMTP id PAA01195; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:07:11 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:07:16 +1300 Message-ID: <15A7D8BC5E3ED2119E2E0000F82150FC0109AC@qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz> Subject: November Gods Meeting Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:07:15 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain From: Stephen Martin To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. The November Gods meeting will be Sunday 1st November (Sunday week). There have been some lively discussions this month, for the items where there is general consensus could someone take ownership of the issue and post a proposal for the agenda. I'll post a draft agenda early next week and a final agenda on Thursday next week. These items roll over from last months agenda as we didn't reach a quorum then, Brent has posted a revised proposal for Spell Containment. Mechanician Spell Containment - Brent Rituals: Backfires and Double/Triple Effects - Jacqui + Other changes required to be consistent - Brent Cheers, Stephen. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 16:20:59 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id QAA07902; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:20:59 +1300 Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (mailhost.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.1.4]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id QAA07892 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:20:58 +1300 Received: from sci4 (lbr-122-42.lbrsc.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.122.42]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (8.9.1/8.9.1/8.9.1-ua) with SMTP id QAA10008; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:13:37 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <199810210313.QAA10008@mailhost.auckland.ac.nz> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:16:50 +0000 Subject: Proposal for Nov. Gods' Meeting X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) From: "Michael Parkinson" To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-to: m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz X-Loop: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Propasal: replace existing Breakage rules with: 1. The base chance of a close, melee, or thrown weapon breaking in combat is 0% or less: Magic weapon (unless specified otherwise). 0%: cold iron weapon. 1%: any "silvered" or "true-silvered" iron weapon. 1%: unarmed combat. 2%: any other hard-metal alloy (e.g., bronze). 2% or more: viable weapons made of other materials - the actual figure should be specified by the GM at the time of the weapon's creation. 2. The base chance of a missile weapon breaking is 1%. The string of a bow/crossbow will break in preference to any other part of it. Furthermore arrows or quarrels frequently break after use - GM interpretation on a case-by-case basis. 3. An unmodified strike check which is both a successful hit and a breakage indicates that both events have occurred [the weapon broke when the attacker hit the defendant] roll the weapon damage as normal. 4. With an "overstrengthing" attack, the breakage chance is increased by 1% for every bonus point of damage. 5. Weaponsmiths may choose, as ONE of their options, to decrease the breakage chance of a weapon by 1% for every 2 full ranks. 6. 1% breakage chance means that the weapon breaks on an unmodified strike-check roll of 99; 2% breakage means that the weapon breaks on an unmodified strike-check roll of 98-99; etc. 7. A broken weapon is unusable in combat until fixed. GM decrees the actual time/effort required to repair, or heal, the damage. 8. Improvised weapons are prone to break - GM decrees after the strike-check roll whether the "weapon" broke. 9. [Optional Rule] When an attack fails *because* the defender was evading, the GM may require the defender to roll percentiles solely to check whether their weapon was broken. --------------------------------------------- Note 1: There is now no MD roll to "save" a weapon from breaking. Reasons for the proposal have been discussed in previous postings. Regards, Michael Michael Parkinson Assistant Librarian Email: m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz Science Library Phone: (9) 3737 599 x 5858 University of Auckland Fax: (9) 3082 304 -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 23:44:30 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id XAA08326; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:44:30 +1300 Received: from kcbbs.gen.nz (kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id XAA08316 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:44:29 +1300 Received: from LOCALNAME (as5200-22.kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.52]) by kcbbs.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA07710 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:34:35 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19981021233437.2f3f3824@kcbbs.gen.nz> X-Sender: salient@kcbbs.gen.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:34:37 Subject: Miscellaneous Agenda items Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Brent & Sally To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Some more items for the agenda : 1) 19 Earth G-6 Healing : For consistancy change "This spell takes about 5 minutes to cast" to "This spell cannot be pulse cast". 2) 35.1 With the rewrite of the Courtier skill the Agility EP modifiers only seem to apply to the Dance and Seduction skills, so no longer seem appropriate. Remove the +10% for AG < 12 and the -10% for AG > 22. Change Version to 2.1. 3) 10.3 Remove Curse Triangles : Change "It is not portable" to "A skilled Mechanician may construct a folding Triangle which costs an extra 20% and weighs 5 lbs." 4) 6.9 Incorporating Magic into Combat : Change "Active Talents (eg Detect Aura) require a pulse to implement" to "Active Talents (eg Detect Aura) require a pass action to implement". Add "Activate Talent" to the list of Magical Pass Actions under 3.8 Action Restrictions - Pass Actions. 5) 3.8 Action Restrictions - Pass Actions. Change Magical Pass Action "Concentrate" to "Actively Concentrate". -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed Oct 21 23:44:28 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id XAA08312; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:44:28 +1300 Received: from kcbbs.gen.nz (kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id XAA08303 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:44:27 +1300 Received: from LOCALNAME (as5200-22.kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.52]) by kcbbs.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA07700 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:34:33 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19981021230648.2f3f5068@kcbbs.gen.nz> X-Sender: salient@kcbbs.gen.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:06:48 Subject: Ritual Backfire Tidy up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Brent & Sally To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Clarifications to tidy up specific backfire mentions in rituals, and altering the remaining information gathering rituals to not backfire : 1) Water R-1 Water Elemental : Remove "(the Cast Check exceeds the Base Chance by 30 or more)". 2) Celstial College Rituals Q-2 and R-1 : Remove "(the Cast Check exceeds the Base Chance by 30 or more)". 3) Add a line to Purification stating "Purification cannot backfire". 4) Investment Ritual : Change version number to 1.1 and add "If the Investment ritual backfires, then it is as though the spell being invested has backfired." 5) Remove Curse Ritual : Add "This ritual does not backfire" 6) Bardic Magics R-2 Resounding Instrument : Alter the last sentence to read "If the ritual backfires then the instrument is destroyed, in addition to the normal backfire effect". 7) Binding R-3 Item Divination : Add "This ritual does not backfire". 8) E+E Q-1 Greater Enchantment : Add "This ritual does not backfire". 9) Fire R-1 Fire Elementals : Alter "If the result is 30 or more higher than the Base Chance," to "If the ritual backfires,". 10) Fire R-2 Flame Sight : Add "This ritual does not backfire". -- See message headers to unsubscribe from --