From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri Nov 6 01:25:33 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id BAA31136; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:25:33 +1300 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id BAA31126 ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:25:32 +1300 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p15-max25.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.103.15]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA21955 ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:15:53 +1300 Message-Id: <199811051215.BAA21955@smtp2.ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: Strength of Stone query (again) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:05:48 +1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Jim Arona" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. ---------- > From: Keith Smith > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Strength of Stone query (again) > Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 10:31 PM > > > Here's another query about SoS that came up in my game. I think I called it > right but I'd just like a second opinion. > > If a character with SoS(EN) is hit for EN damage, then I presume the damage > comes off the extra points first and the spell is weakened for that amount > of EN for the remaining duration or until it is counterspelled. What do you mean the spell is weakened? If the character takes EN damage, then their EN value is reduced as normal. If they get healed of the EN damage, then they will recover to their modified EN value...It isn't reduced because they took EN damage, except insofar as damage reduces it... I think you need to explain how you ruled... Jim. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri Nov 6 07:41:44 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id HAA31363; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:41:44 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (root@tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id HAA31352 ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:41:43 +1300 Received: from phaeton.ihug.co.nz (p47-max28.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.103.239]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA03473 ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:32:08 +1300 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981106072814.007d86b0@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: phaeton@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 07:28:14 +1300 Subject: Re: Strength of Stone query (again) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Keith Smith To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. >> Here's another query about SoS that came up in my game. I think I called >it >> right but I'd just like a second opinion. >> >> If a character with SoS(EN) is hit for EN damage, then I presume the >damage >> comes off the extra points first and the spell is weakened for that >amount >> of EN for the remaining duration or until it is counterspelled. > >What do you mean the spell is weakened? If the character takes EN damage, >then their EN value is reduced as normal. If they get healed of the EN >damage, then they will recover to their modified EN value...It isn't >reduced because they took EN damage, except insofar as damage reduces it... >I think you need to explain how you ruled... OK. If a character has 20 points of EN then has a Strength of Stone put on that adds 10 points of EN then they have a total of 30 points of EN. If they then take 6 points of EN, is that taken off the original (giving 14) or off the extra points which weakens the spell effect to 4 EN. Then the character counterspelled the Strength of Stone and put on a new one - effectively healing the EN damage - at least that was the way I saw it. If the points had come off the original 20 then they'd have to use ordinary healing. I was thinking of the Stoneskin spell from AD&D at the time. Incidently, just as an aside, the Earth Mage discovered how to put a Lesser Enchantment on himself - backfire, affect self. Keith (phaeton@ihug.co.nz) -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri Nov 6 08:11:45 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id IAA31418; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:11:45 +1300 Received: from witch.xtra.co.nz (witch.xtra.co.nz [202.27.184.8]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id IAA31407 ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:11:45 +1300 Received: from AKLNOTES.wilsonandhorton.co.nz ([203.99.71.10]) by witch.xtra.co.nz (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA04353 ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:01:30 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by AKLNOTES.wilsonandhorton.co.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id CC2566B3.0068CD57 ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:04:43 +1300 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NZHERALD Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:04:42 +1300 Subject: Re: Strength of Stone query (again) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: Dean_Ellis@wilsonandhorton.co.nz To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Easy numbers Keith, just think it through properly. Main thing to remember is that SOS is +10 EN (at the rank you are talking about) and if counterspelled will take 10 off current EN, possibly even killing them if done at the wrong time. Therefore: Starts with 20 EN Gets +10 EN from SOS to go to 30 Takes -6 EN from attack to go to 24 Counterspell cast on SOS taking -10 EN to go to 14 SOS re-cast adding 10 to EN to go to 24 End of story Where it could be confusing is if the duration is left to run out naturally. It is currently played that at the end of the duration of SOS you revert to your current EN or your maximum EN, whichever is lower. Therefore in this case: Starts with 20 EN Gets +10 EN from SOS to go to 30 Takes -6 EN from attack to go to 24 Duration of SOS runs out reverting to max EN to go to 20 SOS re-cast adding +10 to EN to go to 30 Hopes this is clear, Dean Keith Smith on 06/11/98 07:28:14 AM Please respond to dq@dq.sf.org.nz To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz cc: (bcc: Dean Ellis/IT/NZHERALD/NZ) Subject: Re: Strength of Stone query (again) >> Here's another query about SoS that came up in my game. I think I called >it >> right but I'd just like a second opinion. >> >> If a character with SoS(EN) is hit for EN damage, then I presume the >damage >> comes off the extra points first and the spell is weakened for that >amount >> of EN for the remaining duration or until it is counterspelled. > >What do you mean the spell is weakened? If the character takes EN damage, >then their EN value is reduced as normal. If they get healed of the EN >damage, then they will recover to their modified EN value...It isn't >reduced because they took EN damage, except insofar as damage reduces it... >I think you need to explain how you ruled... OK. If a character has 20 points of EN then has a Strength of Stone put on that adds 10 points of EN then they have a total of 30 points of EN. If they then take 6 points of EN, is that taken off the original (giving 14) or off the extra points which weakens the spell effect to 4 EN. Then the character counterspelled the Strength of Stone and put on a new one - effectively healing the EN damage - at least that was the way I saw it. If the points had come off the original 20 then they'd have to use ordinary healing. I was thinking of the Stoneskin spell from AD&D at the time. Incidently, just as an aside, the Earth Mage discovered how to put a Lesser Enchantment on himself - backfire, affect self. Keith (phaeton@ihug.co.nz) -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri Nov 6 09:29:56 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id JAA31482; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:29:56 +1300 Received: from fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (fep1-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id JAA31472 ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:29:56 +1300 Received: from qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.141]) by fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.11) with ESMTP id JAA13115; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:19:50 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:20:29 +1300 Message-ID: <15A7D8BC5E3ED2119E2E0000F82150FC010A08@qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz> Subject: RE: Strength of Stone query (again) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:20:23 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain From: Stephen Martin To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. An excellent summary. However there is another complicating factor now that SoS affects EN instead of FT - Spec Grevs. I would rule that they stay when the SoS expires. Using the example... 20 EN + 10 for SoS = 30 Takes a Spec Grev for 3 EN (+ 3 std damage from the blow) = 24 EN Duration Expires, EN goes to 20 - 3 (Spec Grev Damage) = 17 EN SoS recast for +10, goes to 27 EN (and their max EN is 30, so they die on -15). > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean_Ellis@wilsonandhorton.co.nz > [SMTP:Dean_Ellis@wilsonandhorton.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, November 06, 1998 8:05 AM > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: Strength of Stone query (again) > > > Easy numbers Keith, just think it through properly. Main thing to > remember > is that SOS is +10 EN (at the rank you are talking about) and if > counterspelled will take 10 off current EN, possibly even killing them > if > done at the wrong time. Therefore: > > Starts with 20 EN > Gets +10 EN from SOS to go to 30 > Takes -6 EN from attack to go to 24 > Counterspell cast on SOS taking -10 EN to go to 14 > SOS re-cast adding 10 to EN to go to 24 > > End of story > > Where it could be confusing is if the duration is left to run out > naturally. It is currently played that at the end of the duration of > SOS > you revert to your current EN or your maximum EN, whichever is lower. > Therefore in this case: > > Starts with 20 EN > Gets +10 EN from SOS to go to 30 > Takes -6 EN from attack to go to 24 > Duration of SOS runs out reverting to max EN to go to 20 > SOS re-cast adding +10 to EN to go to 30 > > Hopes this is clear, > Dean > > > > > > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from --