From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 00:07:28 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id AAA30127; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:07:28 +1300 Received: from kcbbs.gen.nz (kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id AAA30116 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 00:07:27 +1300 Received: from LOCALNAME (as5200-30.kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.60]) by kcbbs.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA18846 ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:51:49 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19981123233548.20f79e84@kcbbs.gen.nz> X-Sender: salient@kcbbs.gen.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:35:48 Subject: Re: Darkness Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Brent & Sally To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. At 02:40 PM 23/11/98 +1300, Michael Woodhams wrote: >Why I don't like the current darkness is because it doesn't do what I think >darkness should do, and it leads either to an invisibility field or >silhouettes as I have argued previously. The current write up is a very good explanation of what *real* darkness does do. If you are outside on a bright sunny day, and there is a wall casting a shadow, it is darker behind the wall. If you are standing in the light off to one side of the wall, and look parallel with the wall to something beyond the far side of the wall, it looks the same brightness as if the wall, and its "created darkness" (ie shadow) were not there. The only way one can see the "darkness" is where there are things within the area, for example, the ground. If the ground wasn't there, you would not be able to see the darkness. However, if somebody entered the darkness, they would be silhouetted in the light beyond (unless they lay down). Hence, darkness in the open is not much use. It needs to be cast up against a wall to be useful at hiding things. If used in this wall then it will be visible, the wall and the ground will be dark, and will hide things. I'm not sure that this adds anything to how we could make the spell work, but I hope it gives more insight to how the spell was intended to work as written at the moment. It is supposed to be an accurate representation of darkness. Cheers, Brent. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 09:55:54 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id JAA30524; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:55:54 +1300 Received: from fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (fep1-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id JAA30514 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:55:52 +1300 Received: from qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.141]) by fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.11) with ESMTP id JAA02163; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:42:48 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:43:53 +1300 Message-ID: <15A7D8BC5E3ED2119E2E0000F82150FC010A66@qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz> Subject: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:43:43 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain From: Stephen Martin To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Does anyone know of a way of contacting or summoning Belial? I need to insult him to his face. Oh yeah, if anyone has anything which is good for dealing to enraged demons I'd like to borrow it or them too. - Aryan. Cheers, Stephen. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 10:19:52 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA30565; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:19:52 +1300 Received: from smtp.worley.co.nz (smtp.worley.co.nz [202.36.210.250]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id KAA30555 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:19:44 +1300 Received: by smtp.worley.co.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4C2566C5.007B1950 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:24:34 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLEY CONSULTANTS Message-ID: <4C2566C5.00793DB2.00@smtp.worley.co.nz> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:07:25 +1200 Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: amtennant@worley.co.nz To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. >Does anyone know of a way of contacting or summoning Belial? >I need to insult him to his face. >Oh yeah, if anyone has anything which is good for dealing to enraged >demons I'd like to borrow it or them too. >- Aryan. [BK] Always willing to insult a demon to his face, especially Belial. ( been there, done that ) We're going to Hell on our next mission, so we'll see if we can get him permanently this time. If you do see him, tell him his chariot makes a very nice wall ornament in my castle. :) -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 11:05:00 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id LAA30663; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:05:00 +1300 Received: from fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (fep1-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id LAA30652 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:04:59 +1300 Received: from qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.141]) by fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.11) with ESMTP id KAA05682; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:51:53 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:52:57 +1300 Message-ID: <15A7D8BC5E3ED2119E2E0000F82150FC010A68@qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz> Subject: RE: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:52:46 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain From: Stephen Martin To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. [Aryan] Great, I could come along with you and insult him just before we kill him. I've never killed a demonic before, let alone been to hell, it'll be cool. > -----Original Message----- > From: amtennant@worley.co.nz [SMTP:amtennant@worley.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 11:07 AM > > >Does anyone know of a way of contacting or summoning Belial? > >I need to insult him to his face. > >Oh yeah, if anyone has anything which is good for dealing to enraged > >demons I'd like to borrow it or them too. > >- Aryan. > > [BK] > > Always willing to insult a demon to his face, especially Belial. > ( been there, done that ) > We're going to Hell on our next mission, so we'll see if we can get > him permanently this time. > If you do see him, tell him his chariot makes a very nice wall > ornament > in my castle. > :) > > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 11:21:26 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id LAA30726; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:21:26 +1300 Received: from smtp.worley.co.nz (smtp.worley.co.nz [202.36.210.250]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id LAA30717 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:21:15 +1300 Received: by smtp.worley.co.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4C2566C5.0080B42B ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:25:47 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLEY CONSULTANTS Message-ID: <4C2566C5.007F033A.00@smtp.worley.co.nz> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:08:39 +1200 Subject: RE: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: amtennant@worley.co.nz To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. >[Aryan] >Great, I could come along with you and insult him just before we kill >him. >I've never killed a demonic before, let alone been to hell, it'll be >cool. [BK] Well, we won't be taking anyone who even thinks about carrying luggage with us. It's going to be VERY nasty. ( like I needed to say that, it's Hell, right... ) -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 12:50:02 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id MAA30899; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:50:02 +1300 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id MAA30888 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:49:57 +1300 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p59-max22.akl.ihug.co.nz [207.212.240.123]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06511 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:37:19 +1300 Message-Id: <199811232337.MAA06511@smtp2.ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:34:59 +1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Jim Arona" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Yeah, just mispronounce his name three times, and duck...He's not exactly a pussy....You realise this, don't you? Rowan Velcanthus, S.C. I'm not usually given to caution in the face of the Forces of Darkness, but this is REAL keen...I just pray he's not reading this... R.V. ---------- > From: Stephen Martin > To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 9:43 AM > > > Does anyone know of a way of contacting or summoning Belial? > > I need to insult him to his face. > > Oh yeah, if anyone has anything which is good for dealing to enraged > demons I'd like to borrow it or them too. > > - Aryan. > > Cheers, Stephen. > > > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 13:37:53 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id NAA30952; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:37:53 +1300 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id NAA30943 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:37:51 +1300 Received: via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/pcnz2.7) id NAA06152; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:25:10 +1300 Message-ID: <3659FE8B.DD7C5937@peace.com> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:32:11 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Dickson To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. > > Does anyone know of a way of contacting or summoning Belial? > > > > I need to insult him to his face. > > - Aryan. Well, that is most brave of you Sir Aryan, and whilst I would certainly advise against it, if you are certain that you wish to do this, I can offer the following suggestions. I'm fairly sure that Belial isn't one of the demons that responds to mere casual use of his name, so I'm afraid that you will probably have to find an ancient invocation for him. I don't have one of these, and nor do I wish one, but from what I know of his reputation and nature one is likely to be unpleasant and probably illegal to perfom; and involve ummm.... well, not wanting to be too graphic in mixed company... some sort of sacrifice. Even if you were to find an invocation of this sort, I would have to say that I feel that there is a good chance that -- given the recent turmoil surrounding him -- that it may no longer be effective. The most reliable suggestion I can offer is that of finding one of his accursed agents and errr... assisting them is departing this vale of tears in a way that ensures they are not coming back.... and then stick around. However this may not put him in a frame of mind conducive to listening to your insult. Finally, it is worth noting that on the most recent occasion that he was spotted by Guildmembers, they reported that his apprearance is somewhat changed, so I offer this here so that unfortunate cases of mistaken identity may be avoided. When last seen, Belial appeared as a beautiful angel -- much like the Powers of Light -- but with wings of fire, and with a firey crown or halo. Please let me know how this all works out. I am very interested in demon lore and considered something of a specialist by some, so if there is anything else that you wish to know, I would be most happy to try to help. - Mortimer Graves -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 14:06:51 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id OAA30994; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:06:51 +1300 Received: from smtp.worley.co.nz (smtp.worley.co.nz [202.36.210.250]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id OAA30984 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:06:44 +1300 Received: by smtp.worley.co.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4C2566C6.000C0BA6 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:11:34 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLEY CONSULTANTS Message-ID: <4C2566C6.000A1E0C.00@smtp.worley.co.nz> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:54:19 +1200 Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: amtennant@worley.co.nz To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. >Please let me know how this all works out. I am very interested in demon lore >and considered something of a specialist by some, so if there is anything else >that you wish to know, I would be most happy to try to help. > - Mortimer Graves [BK] I smell the stench of demon worship among us. Time for a cleansing Brother Rowan? -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 14:11:25 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id OAA31025; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:11:25 +1300 Received: from kcbbs.gen.nz (kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id OAA31015 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:11:25 +1300 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by kcbbs.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11265 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:55:43 +1300 (NZDT) Message-ID: <365A005C.FB8C60E0@games.co.nz> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:39:56 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Darkness Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B24FA55B94D03521EE88E1B0" From: Mike Young To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. --------------B24FA55B94D03521EE88E1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew Withy (FAL AKL) wrote: > Martin wrote: > >>I have no recollection of writing the current "Darkness" monstrousity and > indeed ... I >>discovered that it was completely different, and that no-one > could understand it.Darkness as > > > > >Andrew > >(Speaking as an experienced mist/smoke/fog & Darkness user; and as the person > responsible >for the nearly totally accurate/scientific, completely unplayable > abomination known as >Darkness.) I am aware that you wrote the current Darkness. However Martin wrote the previous version. My point is that pinning down every last nuance of a spell effect does nobody any favours, apart from GM's without a backbone or imagination (and only then if they can understand it). If you clearly state what the spell does that should be sufficient. If you can include the intentions of the spell that's fine. But don't write paragraphs of crap for every spell detailing it's intent. Because you would be wasting everyone's time. Personally I never had any problems with the Darkness spell being anything other than a block of darkstuff 10x10 or whatever. It was the attempts to explain it that confused the hell out of me (ie the rewrites). Leave it to the players and GM's to explain how spells work within the game. It's far more interesting than trying to spell it out within the rules (Pardon the pun). Regards, Michael --------------B24FA55B94D03521EE88E1B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew Withy (FAL AKL) wrote:
Martin wrote:
>>I have no recollection of writing the current "Darkness" monstrousity and indeed ... I >>discovered that it was completely different, and that no-one could understand it.Darkness as >
>
>Andrew
>(Speaking as an experienced mist/smoke/fog & Darkness user; and as the person responsible >for the nearly totally accurate/scientific, completely unplayable abomination known as >Darkness.)
I am aware that you wrote the current Darkness. However Martin wrote the previous version. My point is that pinning down every last nuance of a spell effect does nobody any favours, apart from GM's without a backbone or imagination (and only then if they can understand it). If you clearly state what the spell does that should be sufficient. If you can include the intentions of the spell that's fine. But don't write paragraphs of crap for every spell detailing it's intent. Because you would be wasting everyone's time.

Personally I never had any problems with the Darkness spell being anything other than a block of darkstuff 10x10 or whatever. It was the attempts to explain it that confused the hell out of me (ie the rewrites). Leave it to the players and GM's to explain how spells work within the game. It's far more interesting than trying to spell it out within the rules (Pardon the pun).

Regards,
Michael --------------B24FA55B94D03521EE88E1B0-- -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 14:11:41 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id OAA31045; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:11:41 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (root@tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id OAA31035 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:11:40 +1300 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p25-max17.akl.ihug.co.nz [207.212.239.25]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10647 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:59:04 +1300 Message-Id: <199811240059.NAA10647@smtp1.ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:56:44 +1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Jim Arona" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Unbeliever, unbeliever...where's my damned extirpation gear... Rowan the Calm, S.C. ---------- > From: Martin Dickson > Finally, it is worth noting that on the most recent occasion that he was > spotted by Guildmembers, they reported that his apprearance is somewhat > changed, so I offer this here so that unfortunate cases of mistaken identity > may be avoided. When last seen, Belial appeared as a beautiful angel -- much > like the Powers of Light -- but with wings of fire, and with a firey crown or > halo. > > Please let me know how this all works out. I am very interested in demon lore > and considered something of a specialist by some, so if there is anything else > that you wish to know, I would be most happy to try to help. > > - Mortimer Graves > > > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 14:12:45 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id OAA31070; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:12:45 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (root@tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id OAA31060 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:12:44 +1300 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p25-max17.akl.ihug.co.nz [207.212.239.25]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10739 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:00:07 +1300 Message-Id: <199811240100.OAA10739@smtp1.ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:57:47 +1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Jim Arona" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. ---------- > From: amtennant@worley.co.nz > To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:54 PM > > > > > > >Please let me know how this all works out. I am very interested in demon > lore > >and considered something of a specialist by some, so if there is anything > else > >that you wish to know, I would be most happy to try to help. > > > - Mortimer Graves > > [BK] > > > > I smell the stench of demon worship among us. Time for a cleansing Brother > Rowan? On my bloody way, mate... Rowan Velcanthus, Chalice of Compassion... -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 14:15:19 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id OAA31110; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:15:19 +1300 Received: from fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (fep1-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id OAA31101 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:15:18 +1300 Received: from qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.141]) by fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.11) with ESMTP id OAA02914; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:02:12 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:03:16 +1300 Message-ID: <15A7D8BC5E3ED2119E2E0000F82150FC010A6A@qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz> Subject: RE: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:03:06 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain From: Stephen Martin To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Apparantly the other way of dealing with this is to find someone who can get rid of a rank 31 Geas. But as the old elven witch who asked us to do this said "he's been getting very uppity and needs to be put in his place". I don't want to take the easy way out, I'm gonna look him in the eye (how tall are demons anyway?) and lay it on him. Hey... Father Rowan, you're the guy with the kick-ass holy-burning-vegful-fire from above spell aren't you, you could come along and toast Belials butt after I insult him. I think Mortimer here has the right idea, can you help me with the writing on this poster... ***************** ** WANTED ** Bad guy who's pacted to Belial that deserves to die. ***************** [Anticipating RV's reply] You're right Rowan they all deserve to die, so we just need someone who's pacted to Belial. Another round of drinks for my friends here... - Aryan > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Arona [SMTP:jimarona@ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 12:35 PM > > Yeah, just mispronounce his name three times, and duck...He's not > exactly a > pussy....You realise this, don't you? > Rowan Velcanthus, S.C. > I'm not usually given to caution in the face of the Forces of > Darkness, but > this is REAL keen...I just pray he's not reading this... > R.V. > -----Original Message----- From: Martin Dickson [SMTP:martin.dickson@peace.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 1:32 PM Well, that is most brave of you Sir Aryan, and whilst I would certainly advise against it, if you are certain that you wish to do this, I can offer the following suggestions. I'm fairly sure that Belial isn't one of the demons that responds to mere casual use of his name, so I'm afraid that you will probably have to find an ancient invocation for him. ... - Mortimer Graves > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 14:21:19 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id OAA31146; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:21:19 +1300 Received: from fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (fep1-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id OAA31137 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:21:18 +1300 Received: from qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.141]) by fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.11) with ESMTP id OAA05275; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:08:10 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:09:14 +1300 Message-ID: <15A7D8BC5E3ED2119E2E0000F82150FC010A6B@qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz> Subject: RE: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:09:04 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain From: Stephen Martin To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. [Aryan] No luggage beyond the bare essentials, armour and half a dozen weapons. [Someone helpfully explains to Aryan]... what do mean he thinks I'll be luggage after the first fight, no way, I reckon I could go at least 2 rounds in Hell. > -----Original Message----- > From: amtennant@worley.co.nz [SMTP:amtennant@worley.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 12:09 PM > > >[Aryan] > >Great, I could come along with you and insult him just before we kill > >him. > > >I've never killed a demonic before, let alone been to hell, it'll be > >cool. > > [BK] > Well, we won't be taking anyone who even thinks about carrying luggage > with us. It's going to be VERY nasty. > ( like I needed to say that, it's Hell, right... ) > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 14:30:06 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id OAA31183; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:30:06 +1300 Received: from fclaklmr01.fcl.co.nz ([203.98.14.148] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id OAA31173 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:30:05 +1300 Received: from falaklnt000.falum.co.nz ([10.8.1.20]) by fclaklmr01.fcl.co.nz (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP id nz ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:16:53 +1300 Received: by falaklnt000.falum.co.nz with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BE17B5.930A0760@falaklnt000.falum.co.nz>; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:20:23 +1300 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:20:22 +1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. No way - Aryan, you wimped out when the two of us could have chased the 200 Greater Undead through a pyramid planar portal. BK - you don't want him, he's a big girl's blouse. Eidolon [I assume the bouncers will drag us out before any harm is done to the fixtures] >---------- >[Aryan] >No luggage beyond the bare essentials, armour and half a dozen weapons. >[Someone helpfully explains to Aryan]... what do mean he thinks I'll be >luggage after the first fight, no way, I reckon I could go at least 2 >rounds in Hell. > >> [BK] >> Well, we won't be taking anyone who even thinks about carrying luggage >> with us. It's going to be VERY nasty. >> ( like I needed to say that, it's Hell, right... ) >> >[Aryan] >> >Great, I could come along with you and insult him just before we kill >> >him. >> >I've never killed a demonic before, let alone been to hell, it'll be >> >cool. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 14:31:55 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id OAA31216; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:31:55 +1300 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id OAA31207 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:31:54 +1300 Received: via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/pcnz2.7) id OAA08839; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:19:19 +1300 Message-ID: <365A0B3C.717E03B3@peace.com> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:26:20 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Dickson To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. > > >Please let me know how this all works out. I am very interested in > demon lore > > >and considered something of a specialist by some, so if there is > anything else > > >that you wish to know, I would be most happy to try to help. > > > > > - Mortimer Graves > > > > [BK] > > > > > > > > I smell the stench of demon worship among us. Time for a cleansing > Brother > > Rowan? > > On my bloody way, mate... > > Rowan Velcanthus, Chalice of Compassion... Now, now... There's no need to be like that. I have usually found myself in direct opposition to demons over the years... and despite a juvenile "mistake" could hardly be said to be a demon "worshipper". I certainly didn't say that I supported Belial, who is in my opinion own of the nastiest bastards amongst a generally unpleasant crew, and whose permanent demise could not help but improve the universe in general. And indeed if Aryan has the guts to call him up just to spit in his eye then he has my admiration. - Mortimer -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 14:34:42 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id OAA31251; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:34:42 +1300 Received: from fclaklmr01.fcl.co.nz ([203.98.14.148] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id OAA31240 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:34:41 +1300 Received: from falaklnt000.falum.co.nz ([10.8.1.20]) by fclaklmr01.fcl.co.nz (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP id nz ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:21:37 +1300 Received: by falaklnt000.falum.co.nz with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BE17B6.3A357060@falaklnt000.falum.co.nz>; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:25:04 +1300 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Darkness Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:25:02 +1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Agreed How much detail do we need? Maybe we should forget the silhouette & shadow things and say its a great big blob of really dark darkness (1000+500/Rank) that can be shaped a little bit and that stops lights that aren't as light as it is dark. >My point is that pinning down every last nuance of a spell effect does >nobody any favours, apart from GM's without a backbone or imagination (and >only >then if they can understand it). If you clearly state what the spell does >that >should be sufficient. If you can include the intentions of the spell that's >fine. >But don't write paragraphs of crap for every spell detailing it's intent. >Because >you would be wasting everyone's time. > >Personally I never had any problems with the Darkness spell being anything >other >than a block of darkstuff 10x10 or whatever. It was the attempts to explain >it >that confused the hell out of me (ie the rewrites). Leave it to the players >and >GM's to explain how spells work within the game. It's far more interesting >than >trying to spell it out within the rules (Pardon the pun). > >Regards, >Michael -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 14:35:36 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id OAA31294; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:35:36 +1300 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id OAA31276 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:35:34 +1300 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p25-max17.akl.ihug.co.nz [207.212.239.25]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20136 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:22:57 +1300 Message-Id: <199811240122.OAA20136@smtp2.ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:09:14 +1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Jim Arona" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Well, that's one cast, anyway...Just have to hope it's a triple, I suppose... Rowan the Optimist. ---------- > From: Stephen Martin > To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: RE: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:09 PM > > > [Aryan] > No luggage beyond the bare essentials, armour and half a dozen weapons. > [Someone helpfully explains to Aryan]... what do mean he thinks I'll be > luggage after the first fight, no way, I reckon I could go at least 2 > rounds in Hell. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: amtennant@worley.co.nz [SMTP:amtennant@worley.co.nz] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 12:09 PM > > > > >[Aryan] > > >Great, I could come along with you and insult him just before we kill > > >him. > > > > >I've never killed a demonic before, let alone been to hell, it'll be > > >cool. > > > > [BK] > > Well, we won't be taking anyone who even thinks about carrying luggage > > with us. It's going to be VERY nasty. > > ( like I needed to say that, it's Hell, right... ) > > > > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 14:35:33 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id OAA31274; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:35:33 +1300 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id OAA31263 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:35:32 +1300 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p25-max17.akl.ihug.co.nz [207.212.239.25]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20129 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:22:55 +1300 Message-Id: <199811240122.OAA20129@smtp2.ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:06:16 +1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Jim Arona" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. He does things with fire, doesn't he? As for looking for any 'Sons of Belial', just look around for rebellious Moabites... Otherwise I'm keen as mustard...I just need someone to hold him up while I cast the vile recreant into the Outer Darkness that spawned him...You doing anything this season, good my lord Blitzkrieg? Rowan Velcanthus, Scourge of the Unholy, Chalice of Compassion, All-around Nice Guy... ---------- > From: Stephen Martin > To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: RE: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:03 PM > > > Apparantly the other way of dealing with this is to find someone who can > get rid of a rank 31 Geas. > But as the old elven witch who asked us to do this said "he's been > getting very uppity and needs to be put in his place". I don't want to > take the easy way out, I'm gonna look him in the eye (how tall are > demons anyway?) and lay it on him. > > Hey... Father Rowan, you're the guy with the kick-ass > holy-burning-vegful-fire from above spell aren't you, you could come > along and toast Belials butt after I insult him. > > I think Mortimer here has the right idea, can you help me with the > writing on this poster... > > ***************** > ** WANTED ** > Bad guy who's pacted to Belial that deserves to die. > ***************** > > [Anticipating RV's reply] You're right Rowan they all deserve to die, so > we just need someone who's pacted to Belial. > > Another round of drinks for my friends here... > > - Aryan > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Arona [SMTP:jimarona@ihug.co.nz] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 12:35 PM > > > > Yeah, just mispronounce his name three times, and duck...He's not > > exactly a > > pussy....You realise this, don't you? > > Rowan Velcanthus, S.C. > > I'm not usually given to caution in the face of the Forces of > > Darkness, but > > this is REAL keen...I just pray he's not reading this... > > R.V. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Dickson [SMTP:martin.dickson@peace.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 1:32 PM > > Well, that is most brave of you Sir Aryan, and whilst I would > certainly advise > against it, if you are certain that you wish to do this, I can > offer the > following suggestions. > > I'm fairly sure that Belial isn't one of the demons that > responds to mere > casual use of his name, so I'm afraid that you will probably > have to find an ancient invocation for him. > ... > - Mortimer Graves > > > > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 14:39:36 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id OAA31342; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:39:36 +1300 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id OAA31332 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:39:35 +1300 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p25-max17.akl.ihug.co.nz [207.212.239.25]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20760 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:26:59 +1300 Message-Id: <199811240126.OAA20760@smtp2.ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:24:39 +1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Jim Arona" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Tell me more about this juvenile mistake, Mortimer...Confession's good for the soul... Rowan Velcanthus, Flagellator of the Unrepentant. > There's no need to be like that. I have usually found myself in direct > opposition to demons over the years... and despite a juvenile "mistake" > could hardly be said to be a demon "worshipper". > > I certainly didn't say that I supported Belial, who is in my opinion own > of the nastiest bastards amongst a generally unpleasant crew, and whose > permanent demise could not help but improve the universe in general. > > And indeed if Aryan has the guts to call him up just to spit in his eye > then he has my admiration. > > - Mortimer > > > > > > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 15:04:27 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id PAA31426; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:04:27 +1300 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id PAA31416 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:04:26 +1300 Received: via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/pcnz2.7) id OAA10323; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:51:46 +1300 Message-ID: <365A12D7.C251DE1D@peace.com> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:58:47 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Dickson To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. A similar action to you, I suspect -- Oh, pacted one. Fortunately I was able to get clear of the first one -- he wasn't all that nasty, but he wasn't very bright either -- by being "traded" as youths might trade an interesting bauble. My new patron marked me -- you and others who are agents can see that my eyes are the colour of the red world, Thunor. My current patron is the "Star President" who speaks wisely and will heal all those in need, but for all that he is still a demon, and the more that I have learnt of them the less I have wished to deal with them. I haven't spoken with him for many years now, and the last time was only to try and save the life of an honourable fellow adventurer. And what of you -- follower of a "peaceful agricultural deity"? - Mortimer Jim Arona wrote: > Tell me more about this juvenile mistake, Mortimer...Confession's good for > the soul... > Rowan Velcanthus, Flagellator of the Unrepentant. > > There's no need to be like that. I have usually found myself in direct > > opposition to demons over the years... and despite a juvenile "mistake" > > could hardly be said to be a demon "worshipper". -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 15:17:43 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id PAA31482; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:17:43 +1300 Received: from fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (fep1-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id PAA31471 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:17:42 +1300 Received: from qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.141]) by fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.11) with ESMTP id PAA29591; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:04:24 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:05:27 +1300 Message-ID: <15A7D8BC5E3ED2119E2E0000F82150FC010A6E@qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz> Subject: RE: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:05:21 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain From: Stephen Martin To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. [Aryan - indignant] I'm not a mage!!! I'll take them in combat, toe to claw, eye to blood-red eye, and steel into their hides. Line them up and I'll take 'em 3 at a time. -Sir Aryan, Knight of Seagate Captain of Dragon Company Commander of the Black Watch Enemy of Destiny And guy who's about to go stomp on Eidolon's head again (if I can dodge the solar flares). > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Arona [SMTP:jimarona@ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:09 PM > > Well, that's one cast, anyway...Just have to hope it's a triple, I > suppose... > Rowan the Optimist. > > ---------- > > From: Stephen Martin > > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:09 PM > > [Aryan] > > No luggage beyond the bare essentials, armour and half a dozen > weapons. > > [Someone helpfully explains to Aryan]... what do mean he thinks I'll > be > > luggage after the first fight, no way, I reckon I could go at least > 2 > > rounds in Hell. > > > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 15:20:38 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id PAA31511; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:20:38 +1300 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id PAA31502 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:20:37 +1300 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p7-max20.akl.ihug.co.nz [207.212.239.199]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26693 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:07:35 +1300 Message-Id: <199811240207.PAA26693@smtp2.ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:05:14 +1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Jim Arona" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Yes, well, have you never heard of threshing flails, pruning hooks, scourges and scythes...Not to mention the opportunity to store weapons in ploughshares...Now, there's a spell to look for... You should give up these demons, Mortimer...They'll kill you one day. Didn't you see the message on the side of the invocation 'The high priest has determined that pacting with demons may well be injurious to your health'. This is a youthful indiscretion in the same way as burning a city to the ground is an excercise in youthful high spirits... Rowan Velcanthus, Thresher of the Grain of Righteousness, Winnower of the Chaff of Sin. ---------- > From: Martin Dickson > To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:58 PM > > > A similar action to you, I suspect -- Oh, pacted one. > > Fortunately I was able to get clear of the first one -- he wasn't all that > nasty, but he wasn't very bright either -- by being "traded" as youths might > trade an interesting bauble. My new patron marked me -- you and others who > are agents can see that my eyes are the colour of the red world, Thunor. > > My current patron is the "Star President" who speaks wisely and will heal all > those in need, but for all that he is still a demon, and the more that I have > learnt of them the less I have wished to deal with them. > > I haven't spoken with him for many years now, and the last time was only to > try and save the life of an honourable fellow adventurer. > > And what of you -- follower of a "peaceful agricultural deity"? > > - Mortimer > > Jim Arona wrote: > > > Tell me more about this juvenile mistake, Mortimer...Confession's good for > > the soul... > > Rowan Velcanthus, Flagellator of the Unrepentant. > > > There's no need to be like that. I have usually found myself in direct > > > opposition to demons over the years... and despite a juvenile "mistake" > > > could hardly be said to be a demon "worshipper". > > > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 15:28:52 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id PAA31547; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:28:52 +1300 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id PAA31538 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:28:51 +1300 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p7-max20.akl.ihug.co.nz [207.212.239.199]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27750 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:16:05 +1300 Message-Id: <199811240216.PAA27750@smtp2.ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:13:45 +1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Jim Arona" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. That's pretty keen...I've seen them Solar Flares, and I've even meleed demons...given a choice, I'd rather melee demons...Mind you, I'm learning the Celestial counters...Let me think about this a little more...I wonder what odds Fizzgig would offer?... O, bugger...Better take myself off to the shrine and give myself a good urticating... Rowan Velcanthus, Denier of Chaos. ---------- > From: Stephen Martin > To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: RE: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 3:05 PM > > > [Aryan - indignant] > I'm not a mage!!! > I'll take them in combat, toe to claw, eye to blood-red eye, and steel > into their hides. Line them up and I'll take 'em 3 at a time. > > -Sir Aryan, > Knight of Seagate > Captain of Dragon Company > Commander of the Black Watch > Enemy of Destiny > And guy who's about to go stomp on Eidolon's head again (if I can dodge > the solar flares). > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Arona [SMTP:jimarona@ihug.co.nz] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:09 PM > > > > Well, that's one cast, anyway...Just have to hope it's a triple, I > > suppose... > > Rowan the Optimist. > > > > ---------- > > > From: Stephen Martin > > > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:09 PM > > > [Aryan] > > > No luggage beyond the bare essentials, armour and half a dozen > > weapons. > > > [Someone helpfully explains to Aryan]... what do mean he thinks I'll > > be > > > luggage after the first fight, no way, I reckon I could go at least > > 2 > > > rounds in Hell. > > > > > > > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 16:41:14 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id QAA31685; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:41:14 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (root@tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id QAA31674 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:41:13 +1300 Received: from homeserver (p29-max12.akl.ihug.co.nz [209.78.49.221]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA27342 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:28:34 +1300 Message-ID: <001e01be175a$8d728260$dd314ed1@homeserver.Home> Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:28:48 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "rodking" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: "rodking" X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Dr Allan J Belial Msc Hon (Advanced Evil methodoligies) uni of nessu, Dip Seduction uni of Avernus 668 Damnation Alley (the beasts neighbour) or try 0800 sream thru eternity -----Original Message----- From: amtennant@worley.co.nz To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? > > > > >>Does anyone know of a way of contacting or summoning Belial? > >>I need to insult him to his face. > >>Oh yeah, if anyone has anything which is good for dealing to enraged >>demons I'd like to borrow it or them too. > >>- Aryan. > >[BK] > >Always willing to insult a demon to his face, especially Belial. >( been there, done that ) > >We're going to Hell on our next mission, so we'll see if we can get >him permanently this time. > >If you do see him, tell him his chariot makes a very nice wall ornament >in my castle. >:) > > > > > >-- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 16:52:14 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id QAA31750; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:52:14 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (root@tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id QAA31739 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:52:13 +1300 Received: from homeserver (p29-max12.akl.ihug.co.nz [209.78.49.221]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA28882 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:39:32 +1300 Message-ID: <00ac01be175c$15ee2030$dd314ed1@homeserver.Home> Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:39:47 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "rodking" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: "rodking" X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Belial Here. Sorry to inform you but in this electronic age misspelling my name three times in the ether counts as summoning me. Could all those with an ethernet connection please hold up their hands? Good, or as the case may be Bad. And all of you who lied, about it, well youre all damned for enternity anyhow.. Now I know that you can argue technicalities but I am a devil and a sea lawyer and according to my reading ether and ethernet are clearly the same medium. Having now established the Internet belongs clearly to Hell, and as a legal proxy of said Hell, your souls are all now accountable. If you have a complaint or would like to lodge an alternate soul as payment please call our help line on 0800 FOE (forces of evil that is) Yours faithfully Belial, Marketting manager Hell-Net Services etc etc -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 16:53:30 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id QAA31776; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:53:30 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (root@tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id QAA31765 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:53:29 +1300 Received: from homeserver (p29-max12.akl.ihug.co.nz [209.78.49.221]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA28973 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:40:40 +1300 Message-ID: <00b501be175c$3e89a230$dd314ed1@homeserver.Home> Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:40:55 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "rodking" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: "rodking" X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Urticating in public is an offense in most jurisdictions -----Original Message----- From: Jim Arona To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? > >That's pretty keen...I've seen them Solar Flares, and I've even meleed >demons...given a choice, I'd rather melee demons...Mind you, I'm learning >the Celestial counters...Let me think about this a little more...I wonder >what odds Fizzgig would offer?... >O, bugger...Better take myself off to the shrine and give myself a good >urticating... >Rowan Velcanthus, Denier of Chaos. > >---------- >> From: Stephen Martin >> To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz >> Subject: RE: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? >> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 3:05 PM >> >> >> [Aryan - indignant] >> I'm not a mage!!! >> I'll take them in combat, toe to claw, eye to blood-red eye, and steel >> into their hides. Line them up and I'll take 'em 3 at a time. >> >> -Sir Aryan, >> Knight of Seagate >> Captain of Dragon Company >> Commander of the Black Watch >> Enemy of Destiny >> And guy who's about to go stomp on Eidolon's head again (if I can dodge >> the solar flares). >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Jim Arona [SMTP:jimarona@ihug.co.nz] >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:09 PM >> > >> > Well, that's one cast, anyway...Just have to hope it's a triple, I >> > suppose... >> > Rowan the Optimist. >> > >> > ---------- >> > > From: Stephen Martin >> > > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:09 PM >> > > [Aryan] >> > > No luggage beyond the bare essentials, armour and half a dozen >> > weapons. >> > > [Someone helpfully explains to Aryan]... what do mean he thinks I'll >> > be >> > > luggage after the first fight, no way, I reckon I could go at least >> > 2 >> > > rounds in Hell. >> > > >> > >> >> -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- > >-- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 24 17:45:46 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id RAA31852; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:45:46 +1300 Received: from smtp.worley.co.nz (smtp.worley.co.nz [202.36.210.250]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id RAA31841 ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:45:37 +1300 Received: by smtp.worley.co.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4C2566C6.00200DED ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:50:07 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLEY CONSULTANTS Message-ID: <4C2566C6.001E33EF.00@smtp.worley.co.nz> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:32:46 +1200 Subject: Re: Anyone know a way of contacting Belial? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: amtennant@worley.co.nz To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. >Belial Here. >Sorry to inform you but in this electronic age misspelling my name three >times in the ether counts as summoning me. Could all those with an ethernet >connection please hold up their hands? >Good, or as the case may be Bad. And all of you who lied, about it, well >youre all damned for enternity anyhow.. Now I know that you can argue >technicalities but I am a devil and a sea lawyer and according to my reading >ether and ethernet are clearly the same medium. >Having now established the Internet belongs clearly to Hell, and as a legal >proxy of said Hell, your souls are all now accountable. >If you have a complaint or would like to lodge an alternate soul as payment >please call our help line on 0800 FOE (forces of evil that is) >Yours faithfully >Belial, >Marketting manager Hell-Net Services etc etc I think I'll change my ISP to the Powers of Light's service, "Halo-net". They're faster too, and no soul-attenuation because they use fibre-optics to channel their light.... :) L8R, Adam. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from --