From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 01:01:49 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id AAA02647; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 00:54:34 +1200 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id AAA02644 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 00:54:30 +1200 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p159-tnt2.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.245.159]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id AAA02833 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 00:42:04 +1200 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 00:40:56 +1200 Message-ID: <01bfcafd$7761d4a0$53f56dcb@jimarona.ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Subject: Re: Brother Rowan's Leather fetish From: "Jim Arona" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz >> Lady Dark, meet my wife, Ranjana.... >> Ranjana, dear....Sic her. >> >> Rowan Velcanthus, S.C. > >Father Rowan's wife is a dog?! > >Isn't that taking the agrarian-goddess love-the-animals thing a bit too >far? > >Maybe it's just a leather leash fetish.... On the other hand if I suddenly >found myself married to Rowan I'd be "sic" too... actually if I suddenly >found myself married to Rowan I think screaming followed by self immolation >might be an appropriate response. > You do the screaming, Mortimer...I can immolate you. Why waste an invested on a spell I can cast on you...Heheheheh... Rowan Velcanthus, S.C, Torch of the Purifying Flame. -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 05:28:33 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id FAA04166; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 05:27:30 +1200 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.8]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id FAA04163 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 05:27:26 +1200 Received: from user (203-109-144-43.ihug.net [203.109.144.43]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id FAA30266 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 05:14:52 +1200 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 05:14:52 +1200 Message-Id: <200005311714.FAA30266@smtp2.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: fiona@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Brother Rowan's Leather fetish From: "Fiona M.M.Cole" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz I quite agree Brother Rowan, so unkind of Mortimer when your wife is clearly human...oid. I thought you had undertaken a vow of chastity though? Or was that a condition of the marriage? I'm sure she's just lovely and well able to keep you in hand Lady Dark At 00:40 1/06/00 +1200, you wrote: > > >>> Lady Dark, meet my wife, Ranjana.... >>> Ranjana, dear....Sic her. >>> >>> Rowan Velcanthus, S.C. >> >>Father Rowan's wife is a dog?! >> >>Isn't that taking the agrarian-goddess love-the-animals thing a bit too >>far? >> >>Maybe it's just a leather leash fetish.... On the other hand if I suddenly >>found myself married to Rowan I'd be "sic" too... actually if I suddenly >>found myself married to Rowan I think screaming followed by self immolation >>might be an appropriate response. >> > > >You do the screaming, Mortimer...I can immolate you. Why waste an invested >on a spell I can cast on you...Heheheheh... >Rowan Velcanthus, S.C, Torch of the Purifying Flame. > > > > >-- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- > > -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 06:13:33 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id GAA04378; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 06:01:23 +1200 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id GAA04375 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 06:01:20 +1200 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p159-tnt2.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.245.159]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id FAA07314 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 05:48:46 +1200 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 05:47:44 +1200 Message-ID: <01bfcb28$53ac62c0$53f56dcb@jimarona.ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Subject: Re: Brother Rowan's Leather fetish From: "Jim Arona" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz >I quite agree Brother Rowan, so unkind of Mortimer when your wife is clearly >human...oid. >I thought you had undertaken a vow of chastity though? Or was that a >condition of the marriage? > >I'm sure she's just lovely and well able to keep you in hand Vow of chastity? Me? I'm a priest of a fertility deity, and an agressive one, at that. My good lady wife and I have no conditions on the love we bear each other... Many's the time she has rocked me to sleep at night, after a hard day at the pulpit. That would be the kind of rock you stick in a sock... Rowan Velcanthus, S.C (slightly concussed) -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 08:13:35 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id IAA05042; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:08:57 +1200 Received: from enterprise.iconz.co.nz (enterprise.iconz.co.nz [210.48.22.40]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id IAA05039 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:08:52 +1200 Received: (qmail 8858 invoked by alias); 31 May 2000 19:56:16 -0000 Received: from fe0.firewall.ak.iconz.net.nz (HELO escher) (202.14.100.208) by enterprise.iconz.co.nz with SMTP; 31 May 2000 19:56:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 07:56:16 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: RE: Healer & Cantrips From: "Mandos Mitchinson" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > OK, I'm confused. The definition of FT that I quoted came from > the .pdf of the > rulebook hosted on Mandos' site. > > Is this not the current in-play definition? Umm....no. Its the pre-release 2000 edition, which is the only one I could lay my hands on. Mandos /s -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 08:43:37 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id IAA05232; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:37:23 +1200 Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (mailhost.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.1.4]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id IAA05229 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:37:20 +1200 Received: from sci4 (lbr-122-42.lbrsc.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.122.42]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (8.9.2/8.9.2/8.9.2-ua) with SMTP id IAA15193 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:24:43 +1200 (NZST) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:23:46 +1200 Message-ID: <000001bfcb3e$1f9591d0$2a7ad882@sci4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: RE: Brother Rowan's Leather fetish From: "Michael Parkinson" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz [In a whisper, stage whisper that is:] > Maybe it's just a leather leash fetish.... On the other hand if I suddenly > found myself married to Rowan I'd be "sic" too... actually if I suddenly > found myself married to Rowan I think screaming followed by self immolation > might be an appropriate response. No Mortimer, "sic" is what we philosophers term an editorial comment. It means what was first mentioned a mistake, & everyone reading it knows its a mistake, but -- somehow -- that's what happened. The mistake has been allowed to stand, usually because Primus: Philosophers are obsessed with all the various forms of Truth, or Secundus: it's funnier that way. S.F. -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 08:58:53 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id IAA05377; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:56:37 +1200 Received: from defacto.peace.co.nz (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id IAA05374 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:56:34 +1200 Message-ID: <3935760F.24053A44@peace.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:29:03 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Brother Rowan's Leather fetish From: Martin Dickson To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Michael Parkinson wrote: > No Mortimer, "sic" is what we philosophers term an editorial comment. It means what was first > mentioned a mistake, & everyone reading it knows its a mistake, but -- somehow -- that's what > happened. Ohhhh.... like "Lady Dark". [sic]. -- _/_/ Peace Software New Zealand Ltd Email: Martin.Dickson@peace.com _/ Martin Dickson Fax : +64-9-373-0401 Analyst Phone: +64-9-373-0400 -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 08:59:17 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id IAA05345; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:54:20 +1200 Received: from defacto.peace.co.nz (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id IAA05342 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:54:17 +1200 Message-ID: <39357586.5BFC12EC@peace.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:26:47 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Brother Rowan's Leather fetish From: Martin Dickson To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Jim Arona wrote: > You do the screaming, Mortimer...I can immolate you. Why waste an invested > on a spell I can cast on you...Heheheheh... Very kind offer I'm sure, but if I want to be immolated I'm quite capable of doing it myself... you can keep your "Heavenfire" or whatever you're calling it these days... > Rowan Velcanthus, S.C, Torch of the Purifying Flame. Are you sure she's an agriculture goddess?. ... "Twin Flames", nah... "Red Redemption", nah... ahhh... "Brothers of the Purifying Flame"... wasn't that an "Aim" cult up Flugelheim way? > Many's the time she has rocked me to sleep at night, after a hard day at the > pulpit. > That would be the kind of rock you stick in a sock... > You get into bed with your wife and she coshes you?! That's terrible, you poor chap... Barkeep! A drink for Lady Ranjana! -- _/_/ Peace Software New Zealand Ltd Email: Martin.Dickson@peace.com _/ Martin Dickson Fax : +64-9-373-0401 Analyst Phone: +64-9-373-0400 -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 09:44:22 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id JAA05650; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:35:44 +1200 Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id JAA05647 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:35:40 +1200 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p200-tnt2.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.245.200]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id JAA09054 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:22:55 +1200 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:21:57 +1200 Message-ID: <01bfcb46$40902140$c8f56dcb@jimarona.ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Subject: Re: Brother Rowan's Leather fetish From: "Jim Arona" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz > >> You do the screaming, Mortimer...I can immolate you. Why waste an invested >> on a spell I can cast on you...Heheheheh... > >Very kind offer I'm sure, but if I want to be immolated I'm quite capable of >doing it myself... you can keep your "Heavenfire" or whatever you're calling it >these days... Mortimerbane is the current favourite.... >> Rowan Velcanthus, S.C, Torch of the Purifying Flame. > >Are you sure she's an agriculture goddess?. deities and demonology>... "Twin Flames", nah... "Red Redemption", nah... >ahhh... "Brothers of the Purifying Flame"... wasn't that an "Aim" cult up >Flugelheim way? I wouldn't presume to understand the workings of minds that traffic with the blackest pits of Tartarus... And, no, she's not an agriculture goddess... >> Many's the time she has rocked me to sleep at night, after a hard day at the >> pulpit. >> That would be the kind of rock you stick in a sock... >> > You get into bed with your wife and she coshes you?! > >That's terrible, you poor chap... Barkeep! A drink for Lady Ranjana! ...Yes, dear...He's the little one with the big mouth....Do you really think so, my dear? He's rather small...I'd be extremely surprised if he were worth anything, anywhere...O, no dear, I'm sure you know the price a commodity such as he would fetch... Rowan Velcanthus, S.C. -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 09:59:10 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id JAA05776; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:53:36 +1200 Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id JAA05773 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:53:33 +1200 Received: from user (203-109-144-43.ihug.net [203.109.144.43]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id JAA11587 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:40:53 +1200 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:40:53 +1200 Message-Id: <200005312140.JAA11587@smtp4.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: fiona@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Brother Rowan's Leather fetish From: "Fiona M.M.Cole" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Let's not forget which inventive Gm's mind first coined the title "Lady Dark" Fi At 08:29 1/06/00 +1200, you wrote: >Michael Parkinson wrote: > >> No Mortimer, "sic" is what we philosophers term an editorial comment. It means what was first >> mentioned a mistake, & everyone reading it knows its a mistake, but -- somehow -- that's what >> happened. > >Ohhhh.... like "Lady Dark". [sic]. > >-- > > _/_/ Peace Software New Zealand Ltd Email: Martin.Dickson@peace.com >_/ Martin Dickson Fax : +64-9-373-0401 > Analyst Phone: +64-9-373-0400 > > > > >-- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- > > -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 09:59:56 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id JAA05766; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:52:24 +1200 Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id JAA05763 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:52:21 +1200 Received: from user (203-109-144-43.ihug.net [203.109.144.43]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id JAA11378 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:39:41 +1200 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:39:41 +1200 Message-Id: <200005312139.JAA11378@smtp4.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: fiona@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Brother Rowan's Leather fetish From: "Fiona M.M.Cole" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz I believe your entire reply comes under the heading of "Too Much Information" Lady Dark > >>I quite agree Brother Rowan, so unkind of Mortimer when your wife is >clearly >>human...oid. >>I thought you had undertaken a vow of chastity though? Or was that a >>condition of the marriage? >> >>I'm sure she's just lovely and well able to keep you in hand > > >Vow of chastity? Me? I'm a priest of a fertility deity, and an agressive >one, at that. >My good lady wife and I have no conditions on the love we bear each other... >Many's the time she has rocked me to sleep at night, after a hard day at the >pulpit. >That would be the kind of rock you stick in a sock... > >Rowan Velcanthus, S.C (slightly concussed) > > > > >-- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- > > -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 10:13:51 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA05867; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:02:04 +1200 Received: from defacto.peace.co.nz (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id KAA05863 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:02:01 +1200 Message-ID: <3935855E.CD879BD5@peace.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 09:34:22 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Brother Rowan's Leather fetish From: Martin Dickson To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz "Fiona M.M.Cole" wrote: > Let's not forget which inventive Gm's mind first coined the title "Lady Dark" > Fi "Joan" to her friends. :) -- _/_/ Peace Software New Zealand Ltd Email: Martin.Dickson@peace.com _/ Martin Dickson Fax : +64-9-373-0401 Analyst Phone: +64-9-373-0400 -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 10:28:47 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA05983; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:19:08 +1200 Received: from qedweb.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.140] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id KAA05980 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:19:05 +1200 Received: by localhost with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:05:33 +1200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:05:32 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Brother Rowan's Leather fetish From: Stephen Martin To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz But nobody calls her Joan... oh I get it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Dickson [SMTP:martin.dickson@peace.com] > Sent: Thursday, 1 June 2000 09:34 > > "Fiona M.M.Cole" wrote: > > > Let's not forget which inventive Gm's mind first coined the title "Lady > Dark" > > Fi > > "Joan" to her friends. > > :) > -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 11:13:39 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id LAA06276; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:05:32 +1200 Received: from defacto.peace.co.nz (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id LAA06273 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:05:29 +1200 Message-ID: <393597C3.FE4E15F9@peace.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 10:52:51 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Brother Rowan's Leather fetish From: Michael Woodhams To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: michael.woodhams@peace.com Martin Dickson wrote: > "Fiona M.M.Cole" wrote: > > > Let's not forget which inventive Gm's mind first coined the title "Lady Dark" > > Fi > > "Joan" to her friends. > > :) > And it sounds like some of the more extreme Michaelines want to have a stake in her future... -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 13:13:41 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id NAA07170; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:11:16 +1200 Received: from qedweb.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.140] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id NAA07167 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:11:12 +1200 Received: by localhost with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:57:36 +1200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:57:35 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Healer: Soul/LifeForce/Spirit/Essence From: Stephen Martin To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Life Force has the implication that all living things have some. You can only resurrect Sentients therefore either you can resurrect animals, animals don't have Life Force, or you don't resurrect using Life Force. Souls have all sorts of other meanings attached to them and seem generally un-popular for different reasons. Essence has too much of a New Age, Crystal, Hippy kind of feel to me and that's not the DQ world I play in. It also seems to be associated in DQ with the socially unaccepatble habit of shriving people. Spirit seems the best bet as a term for the part of a sentient that is put back in a body to resurrect it. The only issue may be a conflict with how the term Spirit is used in the new Rune. Cheers, Stephen. -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 13:59:10 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id NAA07424; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:49:43 +1200 Received: from qedweb.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.140] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id NAA07421 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:49:40 +1200 Received: by localhost with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:36:04 +1200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:36:03 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Healer: Resurrection without a Body From: Stephen Martin To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz It seems reasonable (and a reasonable limitation) that you must have some sort of link to the Spirit of an entity in order to resurrect them. Normally this is their body. In the case of resurrecting into another body, the chance of resurrection should be based on the strength of the link to the Spirit. The base chance would be based on how much/many of the following you have: - the original body, or part(s) - their ITN - being in the place they died - their Ghost/Revenant - their Spirit as supplied by their Demon/Angel/God... - magical link to their spirit (probably something stronger than a Binder Linking Life Force) - loving family members - resurrecting into the body of a loving family member, killer/hated enemy, etc.. I don't think that we should codify this into percentages, but we should supply a list like this as a guideline for GMs/players. And if and when the situation comes up the GM decides the chance based on how many of these links are available and BDE. Another rule/guideline that we should put in is that a Spirit will always resurrect into its own body by preference. i.e. If it is possible to be resurrected into its own body then it won't go into another. Thus while you could arrange for someone to kill you and dismember your body so that it wasn't resurrectable then resurrect you into a new body, there is no going back and you should be very sure that you trust the killer/healer. Cheers, Stephen. -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 14:00:02 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id NAA07381; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:44:54 +1200 Received: from akl-notes.aj.co.nz (akl-notes.aj.co.nz [202.27.194.165]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id NAA07378 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:44:50 +1200 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 (Intl) 21 March 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:30:25 +1200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on akl-notes.aj.co.nz/AJNzl/NZ(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 01/06/2000 13:30:24, Serialize complete at 01/06/2000 13:30:24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 000879DFCC2568F1_=" Subject: Re: Healer: Soul/LifeForce/Spirit/Essence From: RMansfield@aj.co.nz To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 000879DFCC2568F1_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think after all the feedback I'd prefer to remain with 'life force'. In practice it's only used twice in the rules so something simple with no overtones is probably what we want. And for a totally optional piece of justification (just for Stephen : - ) Everything, even earth worms have life force. Sentients can be resurrected because they have enough self awareness to hold the link to their body for a time after death, and non-sentients don't. Life Force has the implication that all living things have some. You can only resurrect Sentients therefore either you can resurrect animals, animals don't have Life Force, or you don't resurrect using Life Force. Souls have all sorts of other meanings attached to them and seem generally un-popular for different reasons. Essence has too much of a New Age, Crystal, Hippy kind of feel to me and that's not the DQ world I play in. It also seems to be associated in DQ with the socially unaccepatble habit of shriving people. Spirit seems the best bet as a term for the part of a sentient that is put back in a body to resurrect it. The only issue may be a conflict with how the term Spirit is used in the new Rune. Cheers, Stephen. -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- --=_alternative 000879DFCC2568F1_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I think after all the feedback I'd prefer to remain with 'life force'.
In practice it's only used twice in the rules so something simple with no overtones is probably what we want.  

And for a totally optional piece of justification (just for Stephen : - )
Everything, even earth worms have life force. Sentients can be resurrected because they have enough self awareness to hold the link to their body for a time after death, and non-sentients don't.




Life Force has the implication that all living things have some.  You can
only resurrect Sentients therefore either you can resurrect animals, animals
don't have Life Force, or you don't resurrect using Life Force.

Souls have all sorts of other meanings attached to them and seem generally
un-popular for different reasons.

Essence has too much of a New Age, Crystal, Hippy kind of feel to me and
that's not the DQ world I play in.  It also seems to be associated in DQ
with the socially unaccepatble habit of shriving people.

Spirit seems the best bet as a term for the part of a sentient that is put
back in a body to resurrect it.
The only issue may be a conflict with how the term Spirit is used in the new
Rune.

Cheers, Stephen.



-- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html --

--=_alternative 000879DFCC2568F1_=-- -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 17:58:42 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id RAA09315; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:57:57 +1200 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.8]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id RAA09312 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:57:54 +1200 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p451-tnt6.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.136.197]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id RAA01385 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:45:03 +1200 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:43:30 +1200 Message-ID: <01bfcb8c$5175d540$c5886dcb@jimarona.ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Subject: Re: Healer: Soul/LifeForce/Spirit/Essence From: "Jim Arona" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Stephen Martin wrote: >Souls have all sorts of other meanings attached to them and seem generally >un-popular for different reasons. And >Spirit seems the best bet as a term for the part of a sentient that is put >back in a body to resurrect it. >The only issue may be a conflict with how the term Spirit is used in the new >Rune. I for one can't see what point there is in making a distinction. I cannot, for the life of me, see why spirit has any fewer reasons for being unpopular than soul. They are almost identical things. Jim. -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 18:43:41 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id SAA09619; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:42:20 +1200 Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id SAA09616 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:42:16 +1200 Received: from dworkin (p225-tnt5.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.194.225]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id SAA11524 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:29:23 +1200 Message-ID: <005d01bfcb03$0baeaac0$4301a8c0@dworkin.ihug.co.nz> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 01:20:50 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: Re: Healer & Cantrips From: "Dworkin" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > >Of course, if the original rules had been written by White Wolf, we'd have a "Storyteller's Coterie", >rather than GM's meetings, and be expected to dress in black and lace and make dramatic gestures. :) > Really? You think the gods could agree on how to play 'paper, rock, scissors'? Lunacy for the informationally cursed William -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jun 1 19:13:37 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id TAA09752; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:00:33 +1200 Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id TAA09749 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:00:30 +1200 Received: from dworkin (p142-tnt5.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.194.142]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id SAA13189 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:47:37 +1200 Message-ID: <00e001bfcb05$97ba30a0$4301a8c0@dworkin.ihug.co.nz> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 01:39:04 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DD_01BFCB6A.2B901CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: Sientients? Where! From: "Dworkin" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01BFCB6A.2B901CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Everything, even earth worms have life force. Sentients can be = resurrected because they have enough self awareness to hold the link to = their body for a time after death, and non-sentients don't.=20 =20 =20 =20 Oy! I've been dead and ressurected and I'm quite sure I'm not = sientient. Doesn't guild security check for that sort of thing and remove it? =20 Sven reaching for a beer ------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01BFCB6A.2B901CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Everything, even earth = worms have life=20 force. Sentients can be resurrected because they have enough self = awareness=20 to hold the link to their body for a time after death, and = non-sentients=20 don't.

 
Oy! I've been dead and ressurected and I'm quite sure I'm not=20 sientient.
Doesn't guild security check for that sort of thing and remove=20 it?
 
Sven reaching for a beer
------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01BFCB6A.2B901CE0-- -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html --