Thanks to those who have already sent us articles etc for the Seagate Times.

But we want MORE....

A lead article, news from around Carzala and beyond. What's happening with 
the Spawn in Terranova? What's the status of The Dark Circle? Is it true 
that the Duke is going slowly mad?

Bring us your news, your rumours, your quotes, anything that is fit (or 
maybe unfit) to print. Let's make this a really meaty issue this time.

And we want it all by Saturday lunchtime. Otherwise I'm going to have to 
write it myself and you KNOW you won't like that (insert evil pixie laugh)

Thank you

Chief Reporter Ariel Glitterwing.


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On Thursday, Dec 5, 2002, at 22:53 Pacific/Auckland, mandos@iconz.net 
wrote:

> However I firmly believe that the art of climbing into a house is 
> redically
> different to climbing a cliff face.
>
> The only reason they are even remotly similar is they both have the 
> word
> climbing in the description.

I cannot speak from personal experience...but I would note that when my 
sister was a member of AURAC (the university climbing club) she and a 
few others made quite a name for themselves in the climbing world doing 
building climbs (that is climbing tall buildings in Auckland CBD). They 
certainly brought to this modern climbing situation, many of the skills 
they used climbing rock faces.

Maybe medieval climbing is different, but personally I'm not so sure 
the art of climbing man made structures and the art of climbing rock 
walls etc are quite so different as Mandos suggests.

cheers,

clare


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As a barely adequate climber I would have to agree with Clare's point. The key skills that a climber learns are the abilities to route find up an obstacle (be it a cliff, wall or structure) and the holds and moves that allow them to efficiently climb the obstacle. 

Climbing is a basic skill set that allows you to discover that you can lever yourself up obstacles with a minimum of effort. Watching a skilled climber effortlessly glide up a wall is pure art. Watching me do it is an example of pain and suffering. Whatever the obstacle is you will find climbers happy to apply their skills to it.

I think the major difference between urban climbing and cliff climbing in this context is the need for a thief to get into the building while hanging from one arm on a ledge. A normal climber can do the hanging around part but would have no clue how to open a window sash one handed. 

IMHO thief climbing allows sneakier climbing, a refinement to the skill for noiseless ascent and the ability to use thief skills in climbing situations. Try telling a good climber that they can't climb a house and they will scale it as you watch. A thief climber would have more expertise in urban situations but not enough for it to be a different skill. 

cheers
Ian H

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From: clare@orcon.net.nz [mailto:clare@orcon.net.nz]
Sent: Friday, 6 December 2002 08:34
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Thief.



On Thursday, Dec 5, 2002, at 22:53 Pacific/Auckland, mandos@iconz.net 
wrote:

> However I firmly believe that the art of climbing into a house is 
> redically
> different to climbing a cliff face.
>
> The only reason they are even remotly similar is they both have the 
> word
> climbing in the description.

I cannot speak from personal experience...but I would note that when my 
sister was a member of AURAC (the university climbing club) she and a 
few others made quite a name for themselves in the climbing world doing 
building climbs (that is climbing tall buildings in Auckland CBD). They 
certainly brought to this modern climbing situation, many of the skills 
they used climbing rock faces.

Maybe medieval climbing is different, but personally I'm not so sure 
the art of climbing man made structures and the art of climbing rock 
walls etc are quite so different as Mandos suggests.

cheers,

clare


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IanH@dominionfunds.co.nz wrote:

>I think the major difference between urban climbing and cliff climbing in this context is the need for a thief to get into the building while hanging from one arm on a ledge. A normal climber can do the hanging around part but would have no clue how to open a window sash one handed.
>
Ian raises a good point, and one that I feel suggests against the idea 
of a "bonus" to Thieves that they can use their other skills in 
combination with Climbing. The normal climber could hang from a ledge in 
such as way as to have a free hand -- the reason they can't open the 
window is becuase they can't pick locks, or whatever,

We do not generally restrict the combination of mundane skills -- being 
able to ride a Horse (Horsemanship) may confer no ability to dress 
heroically (Courtier - Dress Sense) or to analyze the tactics of an 
enemy force (Mil Sci), but if a character possesses all of these skills 
there is no reason they cannot look heroic whilst riding their horse and 
working out which flank to attack.

Cheers,
Martin

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