From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri Oct 9 08:48:18 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id IAA19143; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:48:18 +1300 Received: from proxy.telebusiness.co.nz (usr146@proxy.telebusiness.co.nz [203.97.136.12]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id IAA19133 ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:48:17 +1300 Received: by proxy.telebusiness.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4AWB2YPB>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:42:57 +1300 Message-ID: <01FAE6CB4A43D0118AB00020AF0F92574E1715@proxy.telebusiness.co.nz> Subject: RE: Combat Fumble Roll Changes Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:42:56 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain From: Terry Spencer To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. How about if you roll an 00 (or whatever) they you must roll under 3xMD to avoid a fumble/break etc. on you weapons. :) > How about - If you roll an 00 (or 99-00 if you are overstrengthing), > then you must roll under your Rank on D10 or fumble > (drop/break/unprepare/lose in opponent/BDE) your weapon. Even in > Rules-English, this shouldn't be more than 6 paragraphs. > > Andrew > >---------- > >Stephen: > >Though I'd hate to have to work out these chances in the middle of a > combat. > > > >Martin: > >Keep it very simple or Make a table or Don't do it at all. > > > > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri Oct 9 09:12:17 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id JAA19189; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:12:17 +1300 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id JAA19178 ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:12:15 +1300 Received: via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/pcnz2.7) id JAA05858; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:07:15 +1300 Message-ID: <361D1C8A.2A9262B0@peace.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:11:54 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Combat Fumble Roll Changes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Dickson To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Terry Spencer wrote: > How about if you roll an 00 (or whatever) they you must roll under 3xMD to > avoid a fumble/break etc. on you weapons. :) Good plan, Terry. It is simple and straight foward and favours fighters over mages -- we could even include a bonus for Warriors to represent their greater abilities in this area. Yeah, I'd go for this... do you think we could FastTrack it? - Martin > > > > > How about - If you roll an 00 (or 99-00 if you are overstrengthing), > > then you must roll under your Rank on D10 or fumble > > (drop/break/unprepare/lose in opponent/BDE) your weapon. Even in > > Rules-English, this shouldn't be more than 6 paragraphs. > > > > Andrew > > >---------- > > >Stephen: > > >Though I'd hate to have to work out these chances in the middle of a > > combat. > > > > > >Martin: > > >Keep it very simple or Make a table or Don't do it at all. > > > > > > > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- > > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri Oct 9 09:32:37 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id JAA19225; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:32:37 +1300 Received: from smtp.worley.co.nz (smtp.worley.co.nz [202.36.210.250]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id JAA19215 ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:32:35 +1300 Received: by smtp.worley.co.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4C256697.0075B921 ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:25:51 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLEY CONSULTANTS Message-ID: <4C256697.007560CB.00@smtp.worley.co.nz> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:27:56 +1200 Subject: Need a holiday? 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[Out of character - Paul's game as advertised on the main list] L8R, Adam. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri Oct 9 09:45:03 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id JAA19259; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:45:03 +1300 Received: from smtp.worley.co.nz (smtp.worley.co.nz [202.36.210.250]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id JAA19248 ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:45:00 +1300 Received: by smtp.worley.co.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4C256697.0076DDAC ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:38:19 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLEY CONSULTANTS Message-ID: <4C256697.0076F314.00@smtp.worley.co.nz> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:40:26 +1200 Subject: Re: Combat Fumble Roll Changes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: amtennant@worley.co.nz To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. >> How about if you roll an 00 (or whatever) they you must roll under 3xMD to >> avoid a fumble/break etc. on you weapons. :) >Good plan, Terry. >It is simple and straight foward and favours fighters over mages -- we could >even include a bonus for Warriors to represent their greater abilities in this >area. >Yeah, I'd go for this... do you think we could FastTrack it? Hands up everyone who was involved in Adventurer.... }|-] ( Smirking Demon smiley TM ) L8R, Adam. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri Oct 9 10:24:10 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA19379; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:24:10 +1300 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id KAA19370 ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:24:07 +1300 Received: via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/pcnz2.7) id KAA09661; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:19:05 +1300 Message-ID: <361D2D5E.11DB92CB@peace.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:23:42 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Combat Fumble Roll Changes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Dickson To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. amtennant@worley.co.nz wrote: > >Yeah, I'd go for this... do you think we could FastTrack it? > > Hands up everyone who was involved in Adventurer.... > Please, Adam... some respect... that is "The Adventurer _Debacle_" :) - Martin -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri Oct 9 11:05:47 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id LAA19547; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:05:47 +1300 Received: from smtp.worley.co.nz (smtp.worley.co.nz [202.36.210.250]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id LAA19537 ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:05:46 +1300 Received: by smtp.worley.co.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4C256697.007E3CDF ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:58:51 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLEY CONSULTANTS Message-ID: <4C256697.007E0102.00@smtp.worley.co.nz> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:00:56 +1200 Subject: RE: Combat Fumble Roll Changes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: amtennant@worley.co.nz To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. >How about - If you roll an 00 (or 99-00 if you are overstrengthing), >then you must roll under your Rank on D10 or fumble >(drop/break/unprepare/lose in opponent/BDE) your weapon. Even in >Rules-English, this shouldn't be more than 6 paragraphs. The problem with this, admittedly simple and elegant, solution is that some weapons, no matter how amazing good the user is, only go to rank 3 or 4. Does this imply that they are easy to screw up with or that they are very simple and easily mastered, therefore you are less likely to screw up while using them? And how do you decide what a "fumble" is? This could be pretty random if it's up to the GM. L8R, Adam. ( blowing on the embers ) -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri Oct 9 16:24:22 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id QAA19827; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:24:22 +1300 Received: from fclaklmr01.fclaklmr01.fcl.co.nz ([203.98.14.148] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id QAA19818 ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:24:17 +1300 Received: from falaklnt000.falum.co.nz ([10.8.1.20]) by fclaklmr01.fclaklmr01.fcl.co.nz (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO205e ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP id AAA68 ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:08:19 +1300 Received: by falaklnt000.falum.co.nz with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BDF396.77BD2390@falaklnt000.falum.co.nz>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:07:01 +1300 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Combat Fumble Roll Changes Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:06:55 +1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. The "problem" with being amazingly good is that you _are_ only rank 3 or 4. How good can you be? Maybe you can add a little warrior (Rank/3?) to the rank, so that BK (Warrior Rk9, Sap Rk 3 ) who is an amazingly good & specialised sap fighter, must roll 6 or less to retain his half-brick-in-a-sock - otherwise it goes through the nearest window. This helps fighters like BK against amateur (Rk 3) sock-men. The fumble could be from a (short, D10?) table, or BDE. BDE allows the GM to break or not break weapons as they will, throw them away if on cliffs, stick them in opponents if they are flying by, drop them at their feet if grenadoes/Weapon of Flames, etc. If a GM can't be amusingly & arbitrarily malicious once a combat, they are in the wrong sport. Terry's "proposal" is also good & quite similar; a choice between MD & Rank. Both have a similar approach to over-strengthing (real simple and little impact). Either could have penalties for bronze & stuff. Only disadvantage to either of these is that lances don't shatter 50% of time from horse back. Andrew >---------- > >>How about - If you roll an 00 (or 99-00 if you are overstrengthing), >>then you must roll under your Rank on D10 or fumble >>(drop/break/unprepare/lose in opponent/BDE) your weapon. Even in >>Rules-English, this shouldn't be more than 6 paragraphs. > >The problem with this, admittedly simple and elegant, solution is >that some weapons, no matter how amazing good the user is, only go >to rank 3 or 4. Does this imply that they are easy to screw up with >or that they are very simple and easily mastered, therefore you are >less likely to screw up while using them? > >And how do you decide what a "fumble" is? This could be pretty random >if it's up to the GM. > >L8R, >Adam. ( blowing on the embers ) -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri Oct 9 16:36:47 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id QAA19877; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:36:47 +1300 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id QAA19868 ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:36:35 +1300 Received: via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/pcnz2.7) id QAA02170; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:31:28 +1300 Message-ID: <361D84A8.EBD5526E@peace.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 16:36:08 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Combat Fumble Roll Changes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Dickson To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Andrew Withy (FAL AKL) wrote: > Only disadvantage to either of these is that lances don't shatter 50% of > time from horse back. > At the expense of being rather gauche and quoting myself: "Lances made for jousting are designed to break and have a blunt front end -- often looking a bit like a chess rook -- whereas war lances are heavier and have a big spikey bit on the front (technical term) :) " Jousting lances are designed to shatter so at to reduce the effective impact and thus not skewer your opponent. War lances are designed not to shatter for an equal but opposite reason. Cheers, Martin -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri Oct 9 17:32:03 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id RAA19949; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:32:03 +1300 Received: from fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (fep2-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.2]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id RAA19938 ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:32:02 +1300 Received: from qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.141]) by fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.9) with ESMTP id RAA08623; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:26:28 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:26:43 +1300 Message-ID: <15A7D8BC5E3ED2119E2E0000F82150FC010962@qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz> Subject: RE: drinkies Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:26:43 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain From: Stephen Martin To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. [Braegon] It's not the drinks here, Kilroy, it's all your wierd-shit magical items. But while you're buying - another couple of ales barman. Anyway, back to this Sanctuary thing, if we can convince BK and whatever loonies go with him to drop in on Aim and give him a hard time, that priest is going to have very little support... > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean_Ellis@wilsonandhorton.co.nz > [SMTP:Dean_Ellis@wilsonandhorton.co.nz] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 4:49 PM > To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: drinkies > > > Hey, aren't the drinks at this pub cool. They don't make ya want to > take a > piss all the time and you can drink as much as you want without > falling > over. Even better, they're free! The drinks are on me! > > Kilroy wuz here. > > > > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- -- See message headers to unsubscribe from --