From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Dec 8 11:37:19 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id LAA13850; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:37:19 +1300 Received: from proxy.telebusiness.co.nz (usr29@proxy.telebusiness.co.nz [203.97.136.12]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id LAA13843; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:37:16 +1300 Received: by proxy.telebusiness.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:32:29 +1300 Message-ID: <01FAE6CB4A43D0118AB00020AF0F9257554E30@proxy.telebusiness.co.nz> Subject: RE: Tax Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:32:28 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain From: Terry Spencer To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Hi All, The Lower Common Room at the Auckland University is available for use for the DQ guild meeting from 12-4pm Please circulate this information. Terry -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Dec 8 11:37:39 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id LAA13867; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:37:39 +1300 Received: from proxy.telebusiness.co.nz (usr29@proxy.telebusiness.co.nz [203.97.136.12]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id LAA13843; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:37:16 +1300 Received: by proxy.telebusiness.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:32:29 +1300 Message-ID: <01FAE6CB4A43D0118AB00020AF0F9257554E30@proxy.telebusiness.co.nz> Subject: RE: Tax Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:32:28 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain From: Terry Spencer To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Hi All, The Lower Common Room at the Auckland University is available for use for the DQ guild meeting from 12-4pm Please circulate this information. Terry -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Dec 8 18:19:15 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id SAA14505; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:19:15 +1300 Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (mailhost.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.1.4]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id SAA14498 ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:19:13 +1300 Received: from sci4 (lbr-122-42.lbrsc.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.122.42]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (8.9.1/8.9.1/8.9.1-ua) with SMTP id SAA13866 ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:14:23 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <199812080514.SAA13866@mailhost.auckland.ac.nz> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:18:34 +0000 Subject: Costs? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) From: "Michael Parkinson" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-to: m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Dear all, I have problems with the loot I'm giving to the party i GMed: it relates to Weaponsmithed weapons & Armourer armour. They defeated & stripped several humanoids of unusual frame. I have no problem with the value of the weapons since what the don't keep can be sold; but the Plate Armour I told them (& as I had originally planned) would only have "scrap" value -- because it could NOT be refitted to guildmembers AND still retain its effectiveness. Was I right? The rules say that the base cost of improved plate is 2,850sp therefore the suits of armour supposedly would each cost 25,080sp Why is this such a high COST to the Armourer? And if that represents the COST (i.e. the value of the metal alone before the Armourer has spent time & effort on it), then presumably the "scrap value" should be virtually this cost? Or to put it another way, if I interpret section 30.2 correctly: the time & *raw* cost of ingredients for an armourer making Rank 0 improved plate is 15 days & 2,280sp; but for Rank 10 improved plate 90 days & 25,080sp. Furthermore this cost is regardless of the actual weight of metal the armourer uses or in which specific design/manner he chooses to apply his skill ranks. Help!! To summarise: 1) I don't think that the costs factors for Armourer make sense. 2) I may have, in my inappropriate "correction" of the extant rules grossly overpaid the party more than their worth (were talking about 11 suits of armour) regards Michael Michael Parkinson Information Services A/L Science Library, University of Auckland. Email: m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz Phone: (09) 3737 599 x 5858 Fax: (09) 3082 304 -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Dec 8 21:26:40 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id VAA14690; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:26:40 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id VAA14683 ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:26:38 +1300 Received: from [209.78.49.181] (p53-max11.akl.ihug.co.nz [209.78.49.181]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA01778 ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:21:43 +1300 Message-Id: <199812080821.VAA01778@smtp1.ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:23:23 +1300 Subject: Re: Costs? From: flamis@pop.ihug.co.nz (Jacqui Smith) To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. >>Was I right? The rules say that the base cost of improved plate is >2,850sp therefore the suits of armour supposedly would each cost >25,080sp > >Why is this such a high COST to the Armourer? Basically because the rules which calculate costings in both Armourer and Weaponsmith are broken. They make no allowance for the cost of the Armourer or Weaponsmith's *time*. Now, I happen to think that ten weeks of a master craftman's time is worth considerably more than 2,850 sp... Jacqui -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Dec 8 22:01:11 1998 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id WAA14736; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:01:11 +1300 Received: from kcbbs.gen.nz (kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id WAA14729 ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:01:10 +1300 Received: from LOCALNAME (as5200-57.kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.87]) by kcbbs.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA20623 ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:52:58 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19981208204639.20f71a14@kcbbs.gen.nz> X-Sender: salient@kcbbs.gen.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 20:46:39 Subject: Orcs fertility - summary post Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Brent & Sally To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Summary of 5 posts regarding Orc fertility : Orcs can interbreed with anything : 1 Orcs can interbreed with anything except elves : 1 Orcs can interbreed with any humanoid : 1 Orcs can interbreed with goblins, hobgoblins, ogres and humans : 1 Orcs can interbreed with goblins, and hobgoblins : 1 No consensus whatsoever (and very little interest by the look of it). >Relevant sections of the rules : > >Character Generation >5.6 Orc >Special Abilities >5. An orc's seed is highly fertile. The orc and hybrid orc population >increase mitigates against the high orc fatality rate. >[Note that this is unchanged from DQ II]. > >DQ II Section VIII Monsters >70.3 Earth Dwellers >Orc >Description : An Orc is an ugly, stoop shouldered humanoid, much like a >goblin or hobgoblin (to whom they are related). The structure of the DQ II bestiary is such that Orcs interbreeding likelihood from most likely to least likely is as follows : 1) Goblins and Hobgoblins ("to whom they are related"). 2) Dwarves, Gnolls, Gnomes, Halflings and Kobolds (The other Earth Dwellers). 3) Brownie, Dryad, Elf, Fossergrim, Leprechaun, Nixie, Nymph, Pixie, Satyr, and Sylph (The Fairy Folk to which the Earth Dwellers "are distantly related"). 4) Giants, Ogre, Titan and Troll (Giant Humanoids that are in the same Section, namely, "Giants, Fairies and Eath Dwellers"). 5) Humans (They are not in the bestiary, but would appear to be most closely related to "66.1 Apes and Pre-humans" in the "Common Land Mammals" Section.) At 11:21 PM 25/11/98, Brent (salient@kccs.co.nz) wrote: >I [am] of the opinion that in DQ, Orcs could interbreed with Hobgoblins >and Goblins, but not with other races. At 08:47 AM 26/11/98, Rosemary (rmansfield@aj.co.nz) wrote: >I've always been of the opinion that orcs can breed with almost any >humaniod, possibly more successfully with goblins & hobgoblins but the half >orc/human is kind of a roleplaying tradition, and I've always thought the >half orc/elf is one reason the elves hate orcs. At 08:55 AM 26/11/98, Martin Dickson wrote: >Orcs breeding with Humans seems OK to me, but (despite their Tolkein >origins), Orcs breeding with Elves does not. Nor Dwarves or halflings >for that matter. > >I have in past viewed the "goblinoid" races as being a group of related >races ranging from goblins at the small end, up through Orcs and >Hobgoblins to Ogres. So I guess my "vote" would be for Orcs to be viable >with Humans, Goblins, Hobgoblins and Ogres. :) At 05:31 PM 26/11/98, Michael Parkinson wrote: >I have lost my DQII but I thought it said, in the character generation >section, that Orcs could interbreed with anything (or possibly any >sentient) except elves. [It does not. The only relevant rules sections are quoted above]. >I certainly feel that orcs should be able to breed with humans. > >In general I like the concept that these goblinoids are not distinct >species, but predominant characteristics & gene-pools that overlap, and >that cross-breeds are probably viable, if not destroyed when puppies. >Thus, as GM, I've treated references to "extra species" (e.g. goblins >being lead by a orc, orcs being lead by hobgolins, or whatever the book >says) as more an indication of the extraordinary strengths of the leaders >concerned --e.g. a goblin so big & so tough he's virtually an orc and >indeed his possibly of mixed blood (but *probably* still with GTN goblin) At 09:42 AM 27/11/98, Mandos Mitchinson wrote: >I may be biased as I had a character that was a halfbreed Orc/Human but I >thought they could breed with anything. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from --