From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jan 21 00:42:28 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id AAA04445; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:42:28 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id AAA04438 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:42:26 +1300 Received: from [203.109.228.42] (p42-max37.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.228.42]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA03052 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:33:13 +1300 Message-Id: <199901210033.NAA03052@smtp1.ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:35:39 +1300 Subject: Re: Fire College re-write Six From: flamis@pop.ihug.co.nz (Jacqui Smith) To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. >> T1 Infravision >> I=92d prefer =93to see heat sources=94 rather than =93to see infra-red= radiation=94. >> Less tech feel. > >In fact these two are totally different.=20 > >to "see heat sources" as we know it (like those pictures of smokers= hands etc) >is sensing EMITTED FAR infrared. > >to "see infrared radiation" includes REFLECTED NEAR infrared. This= allows >vision in from reflected warmth, so even the heat from your body= can be a >'light source' as is any non cold light source. (It also allows= you to tell >whether plant life is healthy, BTW). Near infrared is just past= the range of >'visible' light. This seems to me much more likely as racial infravision,= as >(a) its a slight extension of the normal spectrum and (b) it stops= you running >into walls in your cave. > >The former is more reasonable for fire mage infravision. Er... Infravision (racial and magical) is only defined within the= Fire College, just as Witchsight is only defined in the Wicca College.= So whatever goes in the Fire College version determines how the racial= talent works.=20 Given that we want entities with Infravision to be able to see in= the dark, we need to say something like "see heat sources and reflected heat".= =20 Jacqui -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jan 21 01:39:16 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id BAA04522; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:39:16 +1300 Received: from fclaklmr01.fcl.co.nz ([203.98.14.148] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id BAA04515 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:39:15 +1300 Received: from falaklnt000.falum.co.nz ([10.8.1.20]) by fclaklmr01.fcl.co.nz (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP id nz ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:29:33 +1300 Received: by falaklnt000.falum.co.nz with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BE454A.FDE2FAC0@falaklnt000.falum.co.nz>; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:33:20 +1300 Message-ID: Subject: Fire College & Obscurement Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:33:18 +1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Changes in Smoke Creation: 1) Duration from 15minutes * [D-6] * Rank to 30 minutes + 30/Rank. Sensible change. 2) Base Chance 15% to 25% - 10% higher. Sensible power-up. 3) Volume increased by 4 times. Is now twice the volume of Darkness & Mist, rather than half. ?Sensible? power-up 4) Shape made variable, like Darkness/Mist. Sensible power-up. 5) Now adds Defense of 5%+1/Rank as per Water College Fog. This is tough, particularly as the Fire mage is immune < Rk 10. Power-up. 6) Now reduces perception check multiples. This is a parallel & tidy implementation of reduced visibility range. Power-up. 7) Clearer & more spelt-out wording - nice to see. The new version is very useful and tough compared with the other 7 Darkness/Mist spells, rather than an "MA filler". I think that it has gone a bit too far. It is the toughest obscurement spell now, along with Water Fog. I think that increasing the Base Chance and varying the shape (closed & contiguous) is sufficient, along with maybe increasing the volume to as per Darkness/Mist (1000 cubic feet+500/Rank). Extra defense is not needed, but reduced perception check instead of reduced visibility range is good. Remember its only a EM 75 general. [BTW: if you think this is sour grapes because I play an obscurement/fog mage, it ain't so - that character can cast this spell and would love the extra effects] Andrew ----------------------------------- Reference Section: ----------------------------------- Current Smoke Creation (G-6) Effect: The Adept may create two 5 foot cubes of smoke per Rank. The Adept may choose the intensity of the smoke from light vapours to thick, roiling smoke. The duration of the spell will be decreased if cast out of doors in a breeze, gusting or strong wind. Proposed G9. Smoke Creation Effects: The adept may create a volume of smoke equal to 1000 cubic feet + 1000/Rank (1000 cubic feet is the volume of a cube 10 feet on each side). This volume must be closed and contiguous, and has a minimum thickness of 5 feet. The density of the smoke is dependent on rank from light vapours at rank 0 to thick, roiling smoke at rank 20. The density of the smoke may be varied by the caster at casting. The smoke reduces visual perception by one level plus one/five full ranks (but may not reduce it to less than once times perception). Thus at rank five a 4 x perception check reduces to 2 x perception check. Strike chances within the volume are reduced by 5% + 1/rank. The duration of the spell will be decreased by 5 minutes per 10 miles/hour of wind to a minimum of 5 minutes if cast out of doors or in a space where wind is present. Below rank 10 the smoke created by this spell is completely transparent to infravision. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jan 21 01:45:54 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id BAA04554; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:45:54 +1300 Received: from mail.iconz.co.nz (mail.iconz.co.nz [210.48.22.36]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id BAA04547 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:45:53 +1300 Received: from mandos (e0.firewall.ak.iconz.net.nz [202.14.100.208]) by mail.iconz.co.nz (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA261150916882587 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:36:27 +1300 (NZDT) Message-ID: <001001be44de$5df0c040$0d64a8c0@mandos.iconz> Subject: Re: Fire College & Obscurement Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:35:38 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 From: "Mandos Mitchinson" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. >5) Now adds Defense of 5%+1/Rank as per Water College Fog. This is >tough, particularly as the Fire mage is immune < Rk 10. Power-up. Since there are already penalties due to obscurement in the rules do these replace or augment them? If they replace do we need to remove the old rules and rewrite them in line with the new proposals? Mandos /s -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jan 21 01:49:40 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id BAA04576; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:49:40 +1300 Received: from fclaklmr01.fcl.co.nz ([203.98.14.148] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id BAA04569 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:49:35 +1300 Received: from falaklnt000.falum.co.nz ([10.8.1.20]) by fclaklmr01.fcl.co.nz (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP id nz ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:39:46 +1300 Received: by falaklnt000.falum.co.nz with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BE454C.6B9795C0@falaklnt000.falum.co.nz>; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:43:33 +1300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fire College & Obscurement Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:43:31 +1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Oops! I meant to add a version that I would like, keeping changes 1,2,half of 3, 4, 6, 7. Andrew ---------- My suggested G9. Smoke Creation Effects: The Adept may create a volume of smoke equal to 1000 cubic feet + 500/Rank. This volume must be closed and contiguous, and has a minimum thickness of 5 feet. The density of the smoke may vary from light vapours at Rank 0 to thick, roiling smoke at Rank 20. The density of the smoke may be varied by the caster at casting. The smoke reduces visual perception by one level per five full ranks (but may not reduce it to less than once times perception). Thus at Rank 10 a 4 x perception check reduces to 2 x perception check. The effective Rank of the spell will be decreased by 1 Rank per 10 miles/hour of wind, to a minimum of Rank 0, if cast out of doors or in a space where wind is present. Below rank 10 the smoke created by this spell is completely transparent to infravision. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jan 21 03:45:55 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id DAA04695; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 03:45:55 +1300 Received: from usenet.net.nz (root@usenet.net.nz [203.29.170.93]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id DAA04687 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 03:45:53 +1300 Received: from bo.nznet.gen.nz (ns1.nznet.gen.nz [203.167.232.34]) by usenet.net.nz (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA08365 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:23:54 +1300 Received: from takitimu.co.nz (max2-ak34.nznet.gen.nz [203.98.35.99]) by bo.nznet.gen.nz (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25675 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:37:25 +1300 Received: from takitimu.co.nz by takitimu.co.nz; Thu, 21 Jan 99 15:19:24 +1300 Message-ID: <36A68F2F.9F64E7F@takitimu.co.nz> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:21:46 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fire College re-write Six Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelsie To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: kelsie@takitimu.co.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Jacqui Smith wrote: > > Er... Infravision (racial and magical) is only defined within the Fire > College, just as Witchsight is only defined in the Wicca College. So > whatever goes in the Fire College version determines how the racial talent > works. Well they should be defined in character gen. Aren't we working towards having things where they're needed in the rule book? > > Given that we want entities with Infravision to be able to see in the dark, > we need to say something like "see heat sources and reflected heat". > > Jacqui Your given isn't necessarily a given. Is it percieved as a problem? It just gets up MY nose cos I did remote sensing papers at varsity. Kelsie -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jan 21 04:00:17 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id EAA04738; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 04:00:17 +1300 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id EAA04731 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 04:00:15 +1300 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p41-max29.akl.ihug.co.nz [209.76.150.41]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25309 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:50:52 +1300 Message-Id: <199901210350.QAA25309@smtp2.ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: Fire College & Obscurement Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:49:01 +1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Jim Arona" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. ---------- > From: Andrew Withy (FAL AKL) > ---------- > My suggested G9. Smoke Creation > > Effects: The Adept may create a volume of smoke equal to 1000 cubic > feet + 500/Rank. This volume must be closed and contiguous, and has a > minimum thickness of 5 feet. I see no reason why the volume couldn't be even smaller, say 500 + 250/Rank. It is pretty powerful for an EM 75 spell, even with a reduced volume. I suggest raising it to 125, with my revised volume formula. I see few other things wrong with this spell, though. It does the things you expect smoke to do, except causing coughing and choking. Jim. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jan 21 04:14:06 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id EAA04781; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 04:14:06 +1300 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id EAA04774 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 04:14:04 +1300 Received: via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/pcnz2.7) id RAA28032; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:04:43 +1300 Message-ID: <36A6A98D.7DF40DC1@peace.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:14:06 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fire College & Obscurement Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------73056D37EF3FBA4247868C15" From: Martin Dickson To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------73056D37EF3FBA4247868C15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Arona wrote: > I see few other things wrong with this spell, though. It does the things > you expect smoke to do, except causing coughing and choking. Hi Jim, It also doesn't appear to reduce vision -- just vision based PC checks. 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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B453F1BAB1AF0BFB7F2922C6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kelsie wrote: > Jacqui Smith wrote: > >> Given that we want entities with Infravision to be able to see in the dark, > > we need to say something like "see heat sources and reflected heat". > > Your given isn't necessarily a given. Is it percieved as a problem? It just > gets up MY nose cos I did remote sensing papers at varsity. Err... can't _races_ with infravision see in the dark? Actually, it is kind of a weird thing... the PC races with Infravision are what, Halflings, Giants and Orcs? The latter two of which probably don't inhabit caves and the former live, at most, "in a hole in the ground"... hardly a cave. The only true cave dwellers, Dwarves, don't have Infravision... having rather un unexplaind ability to see in the dark better underground in caves than outside. Even if Halfling burrows and whatever unwholesome dives Orcs inhabit can be seen as justifications for night sight -- I guess that both could have once been nocturnal -- Giants are a bit of a stumper. Anyway... all I was getting at with my suggestion to use the term "heat sources" was that I would prefer not to see notes about infra-red radiation in a fantasy spell... but then with the name "Infravision" I guess we are pretty much stuck with the implication anyway. 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Martin Dickson wrote: > > Kelsie wrote: > > > Jacqui Smith wrote: > > >> Given that we want entities with Infravision to be able to see in the dark, > > > we need to say something like "see heat sources and reflected heat". > > > > Your given isn't necessarily a given. Is it percieved as a problem? It just > > gets up MY nose cos I did remote sensing papers at varsity. > > Err... can't _races_ with infravision see in the dark? No 1. A giant has infravision, which allows them to see faint red shapes where living beings are located in the dark. Their range of vision is 250 feet. 2. An orc has infravision, which allows them to see faint red shapes where living beings are located in the dark. Their range of vision is 150 feet. 1. A halfling has infravision, which allows them to see faint red shapes where living beings are located in the dark. Their range of vision is 100 feet. Kelsie PS The description is in the right place in the book, not just under fire mage as Jacqui thought. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jan 21 05:16:07 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id FAA04910; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 05:16:07 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id FAA04901 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 05:16:05 +1300 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p41-max29.akl.ihug.co.nz [209.76.150.41]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01377 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:06:43 +1300 Message-Id: <199901210506.SAA01377@smtp1.ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: Fire College re-write Six Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:04:51 +1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Jim Arona" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. ---------- > From: Martin Dickson > Anyway... all I was getting at with my suggestion to use the term "heat sources" > was that I would prefer not to see notes about infra-red radiation in a fantasy > spell... but then with the name "Infravision" I guess we are pretty much stuck > with the implication anyway. > ...Only if we stick with the name 'Infravision'. If we wanted an information gathering ability that sprang from Fire magic, then I'm sure we could come up with a number of different talent-level magical abilities. Perhaps that is what we should try and do, rather than stick with what is, after all, a pretty out of genre ability. Jim. -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jan 21 05:16:05 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id FAA04898; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 05:16:05 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id FAA04891 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 05:16:04 +1300 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p41-max29.akl.ihug.co.nz [209.76.150.41]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01368 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:06:41 +1300 Message-Id: <199901210506.SAA01368@smtp1.ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: Fire College & Obscurement Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:01:04 +1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Jim Arona" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. ---------- > From: Martin Dickson > > Jim Arona wrote: > > > I see few other things wrong with this spell, though. It does the things > > you expect smoke to do, except causing coughing and choking. > > Hi Jim, > > It also doesn't appear to reduce vision -- just vision based PC checks. > > Cheers, > Martin > Most times, smoke doesn't block vision, it just makes it difficult to see through, particularly outside. Inside an enclosed area, you're probably right. I've been in an house fire, and the smoke was impenetrable. It hurt to put your hand in it. Outside, however, the densest smoke was at worst, translucent. Jim. > -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jan 21 19:36:50 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id TAA05314; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:36:50 +1300 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id TAA05307 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:36:48 +1300 Received: via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/pcnz2.7) id IAA16566; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:27:08 +1300 Message-ID: <36A781C2.DCA1AA7E@peace.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:36:34 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Racial Infravision Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4ECBAA5DEB6BD563232007C9" From: Martin Dickson To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4ECBAA5DEB6BD563232007C9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kelsie wrote: > Martin Dickson wrote: > > > > Err... can't _races_ with infravision see in the dark? > > No > > 1. A giant has infravision, which allows them to > see faint red shapes where living beings are located > in the dark. Their range of vision is 250 > feet. > > 2. An orc has infravision, which allows them to [snip] > 1. A halfling has infravision, which allows them [snip] OK. Fair cop. So they can see to do nocturnal hunting, but they will still bump their noses into their cave walls... that is if they live in caves. I will admit then to an incorrect understanding, and I wonder how many others also think that their giant, orc, or halfling can see in the dark? (It could just be that I have seldom, if ever, made use of this ability for my own halfling, who has in addition a spell of Cat Vision and a talent of Witchsight by dint of his College). However, since this form of Infravision is so different to the Fire Mage brand, is it a good idea for them to be called the same thing, do you think? Also, since they are obviously so much weaker in their sensitivity to infra-red, should they be dazzled for as long by that Pyrotechnic spell? Regards, Martin --------------4ECBAA5DEB6BD563232007C9 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="martin.dickson.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Martin Dickson Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="martin.dickson.vcf" begin:vcard n:Dickson;Martin tel;fax:+64-9-373 0401 tel;work:+64-9-373 0400 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Peace Software;Software Development version:2.1 email;internet:martin.dickson@peace.com title:Team Leader adr;quoted-printable:;;Peace Tower =0D=0ASt. Martins Lane;Auckland;;;New Zealand fn:Martin Dickson end:vcard --------------4ECBAA5DEB6BD563232007C9-- -- See message headers to unsubscribe from -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Jan 21 19:57:07 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id TAA05358; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:57:07 +1300 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id TAA05351 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:57:06 +1300 Received: via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/pcnz2.7) id IAA18369; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:47:26 +1300 Message-ID: <36A78683.8A5E5518@peace.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:56:52 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fire College & Obscurement Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------AB5BADAE47AE2A730D3B5610" From: Martin Dickson To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AB5BADAE47AE2A730D3B5610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Arona wrote: > Most times, smoke doesn't block vision, it just makes it difficult to see > through, particularly outside. Inside an enclosed area, you're probably > right. I've been in an house fire, and the smoke was impenetrable. It hurt > to put your hand in it. Outside, however, the densest smoke was at worst, > translucent. OK. Most of these type of discussions stem from the inadequacies of the model -- that is to say trying to model smoke in a paragraph isn't easy, smoke and its interactions with the enviroment and entities, wind effects, the effect of concentration, dispersal, etc, etc, is very complex. It is usually easy enough to model these thing descriptively (it looks like this, it smells like this); I would expect that every GM has at sometime seen smoke -- though fortunately not at such close quarters as yourself -- or at least seen its effects portrayed in movies and books. But very hard to quantify all of its effects without resorting to computer models. Oh well.... roll on DQ VR. :) Regards, Martin --------------AB5BADAE47AE2A730D3B5610 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="martin.dickson.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Martin Dickson Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="martin.dickson.vcf" begin:vcard n:Dickson;Martin tel;fax:+64-9-373 0401 tel;work:+64-9-373 0400 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Peace Software;Software Development version:2.1 email;internet:martin.dickson@peace.com title:Team Leader adr;quoted-printable:;;Peace Tower =0D=0ASt. Martins Lane;Auckland;;;New Zealand fn:Martin Dickson end:vcard --------------AB5BADAE47AE2A730D3B5610-- -- See message headers to unsubscribe from --