From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Feb 9 08:04:48 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id IAA31014; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:04:48 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id IAA31006 ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:04:46 +1300 Received: from p25-max19.akl.ihug.co.nz (p25-max19.akl.ihug.co.nz [207.212.239.153]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA27223 ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:44:42 +1300 Received: by p25-max19.akl.ihug.co.nz with Microsoft Mail id <01BE546D.2CEAB3E0@p25-max19.akl.ihug.co.nz>; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:45:49 +1300 Message-ID: <01BE546D.2CEAB3E0@p25-max19.akl.ihug.co.nz> Subject: RE: Bardic College Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:45:45 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BE546D.2CEAB3E0" From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ian__Wood_=26_Ellen__Hume=A0?= To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE546D.2CEAB3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable good one Jim. I quite agree. The college seems to be 'what can I do with sound?' I would like a bit less utility and a lot more flavour.=20 Shout of Thunder On a second note, I realise that shout of thunder is meant to be an = attack spell, hell even Mind has a stupid attack spell, but why have = this one??? I like the idea, though, of bardic having a cone spell that deafens = people for say, several pulses, and gives them enough of a headache that = they cannot effectively communicate for that period. Not a good 'take = out spell', but it will stuff up the opposition lots. so can we consider this style of change as well please??? huh? can we?? cheers, Ian -----Original Message----- From: Jim Arona [SMTP:jimarona@ihug.co.nz] Sent: 08 February 1999 08:31 To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Re: Bardic College ---------- > From: Jacqui Smith >=20 > On the subject of the "Echosence" spell, something like this appears = in > AD&D called "Echolocation", GURPS called "Sound Vision", Ars Magica called > "Eyes of the Bat" (in spite of the name, it's Air magic in that = system), > Rolemaster called "Batsense". Thought people might be interested to = hear > that it's not as unusual a spell effect as one might think... My objection to the spell is not whether or not it was unusual to find = in a game system, just that it was an inappropriate spell for the genre, and = for the college. This is a college about communication and people, possibly even including Elves. It is not a college about bats or dolphins. A = beast mage of some sort might conceivably be able to be able to echo-locate (although they may not 'know' the mechanism by which they see with this sense).=20 I find it hard to see how a 'Bard' would, unless you accept 'sound' = based magic. I believe that song-, emotion-, and communication-based magic is = at the root of a bardic college, and simple sound-based magic is more the province of a super-hero or futuristic game of some sort. 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Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:03:57 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id IAA30987 ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:03:55 +1300 Received: from p25-max19.akl.ihug.co.nz (p25-max19.akl.ihug.co.nz [207.212.239.153]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA27111 ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:43:50 +1300 Received: by p25-max19.akl.ihug.co.nz with Microsoft Mail id <01BE546D.0E4628C0@p25-max19.akl.ihug.co.nz>; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:44:58 +1300 Message-ID: <01BE546D.0E4628C0@p25-max19.akl.ihug.co.nz> Subject: RE: DQ - Spell Prices Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:08:07 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BE546D.0E4628C0" From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ian__Wood_=26_Ellen__Hume=A0?= To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE546D.0E4628C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jackie's second point seems reasonable. The first point however... the problem I see with EM x days is that I thought days were already = related to EM (being EM/100 +1) so you are really getting EM x (EM/100 +1), which when you think of it = is either 1, 2, 3 or 4 x EM (ok so 11 x EM for Mind mages). why not accept say, 2 or 5 or 10 x EM for all spells. I like 10 times for Mind, 5 times for Fire, and 2 times for all others. = :) (I do not see that in game arguments, like the teacher would like a lot = more loot, holding water, as we can can find rationals for anything.) cheers, Ian -----Original Message----- From: Jacqui Smith [SMTP:flamis@ihug.co.nz] Sent: 07 February 1999 23:00 To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: RE: DQ - Spell Prices >If we are to have EM-based spell costs, how about EM * days sp. This=20 >is simple, and about right. I like the geometric progression which results from this formula, but = would prefer to see the figures somewhat rounder... I'd also suggest that the Guild would make exceptions for magics which directly increase the chances of parties surviving and returning a = profit to the Guild. Primarily this would be healing spells, including = Trollskin, and the Remove Curse ritual. Such magics would be priced lower to encourage PCs to learn them early = in their adventuring career. 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