From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Mar 4 00:19:22 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id AAA06354; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:19:22 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id AAA06351 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:19:21 +1300 Received: from [206.18.98.9] (p9-max21.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.98.9]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA20082 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:09:14 +1300 Message-Id: <199903031109.AAA20082@smtp1.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: flamis@pop.ihug.co.nz (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:03:27 +1300 Subject: Bardic College From: flamis@pop.ihug.co.nz (Jacqui Smith) To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz This is the replacement for "Great Shout" I described at the last meeting. I'd like to add this item to the next agenda as a proposal to move into playtest. I'm planning to play Brigetta this session so now would be a good time to test out new variants on spells. She has "Great Shout" at Rank 6. Shout of Thunder Range: 15 feet + 15/rank Duration: Immediate. Experience multiple: 250 Base Chance: 25% Resist: active & passive Target: entity Storage: investment, ward, magical trap. The Adept projects a thunderous shout of rage at the target. If the target fails to resist it suffers D-5 (+ 1/Rank) damage and is automatically stunned. The target will also be deafened for D-5 (+ 1/2 Ranks) minutes and will have a very nasty headache which will make concentration one level more difficult until it wears off or is cured by a healer. There is a chance equal to 5% + 1/rank that this deafness will be permanent until cured by the arts of a Healer of Rank 4 or greater, or by Ritual of Cure Deafness and Muteness. The sound is clearly audible in the area surrounding the target. Comments: The phrase "The Adept projects" is intended to imply that this spell works in a similar manner to the ventriloquism spell - and would be a natural development from that spell into special knowledge. The effect is similar to a single-target lightning bolt, and the numbers are based on that spell. This is a new spell I have developed from suggestions which have come up in the mailing list. I'd like to add this item to the next agenda as a proposal to move into playtest. Roar of the Lion Range: 5 feet + 5/rank Duration: Immediate. Experience multiple: 350 Base Chance: 15% Resist: active & passive Target: volume Storage: investment, ward, magical trap. The adept by means of this spell generates a sound like the roar of an angry lion in a volume extending from the adept's mouth in a cone-shaped zone extending to the limit of the range, and with a diameter at the far end equal to that range. If an entity within the target volume fails to resist it is automatically stunned. Such entities will also be deafened for D-5 (+ 1/2 Ranks) minutes and will have a very nasty headache which will make concentration one level more difficult until it wears off or is cured by a healer. Those non-sentient entities in the volume of effect which are the natural prey of lions (eg equines) must also make a 3 x WP check or be subject to a fear check. The sound is clearly audible in the area surrounding the target volume. Comments: This spell is a development of the Bardic "Voice" talent and the ability to imitate sounds into a special knowledge spell. The effect is logically cone-shaped and three-dimensional. It causes no direct damage, but the results could involve some serious havoc! Jacqui -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Mar 4 08:34:36 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id IAA06761; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:34:36 +1300 Received: from exchange.telebusiness.co.nz ([203.97.136.3] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id IAA06758 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:34:34 +1300 Received: by proxy.telebusiness.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) id ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:24:05 +1300 Message-ID: <01FAE6CB4A43D0118AB00020AF0F9257609CD2@proxy.telebusiness.co.nz> Subject: RE: Bardic College Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:24:02 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Terry Spencer To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz -----Original Message----- From: flamis@pop.ihug.co.nz [ mailto:flamis@pop.ihug.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 12:03 AM To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Bardic College This is the replacement for "Great Shout" I described at the last meeting. I'd like to add this item to the next agenda as a proposal to move into playtest. I'm planning to play Brigetta this session so now would be a good time to test out new variants on spells. She has "Great Shout" at Rank 6. [snip] This is a new spell I have developed from suggestions which have come up in the mailing list. I'd like to add this item to the next agenda as a proposal to move into playtest. Roar of the Lion Range: 5 feet + 5/rank Duration: Immediate. Experience multiple: 350 Base Chance: 15% Resist: active & passive Target: volume Storage: investment, ward, magical trap. The adept by means of this spell generates a sound like the roar of an angry lion in a volume extending from the adept's mouth in a cone-shaped zone extending to the limit of the range, and with a diameter at the far end equal to that range. This is an awfully large area. eg. at Rk 6 the cone extends 7 hexes an is 7 hexes wide at the far end, covering an area of about 24 hexes. at Rk 10 the cone extends 11 hexes an is 11 hexes wide at the far end, covering an area of about 60 hexes . was this the intention? -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Mar 4 09:36:52 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id JAA06835; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:36:52 +1300 Received: from arc.govt.nz ([202.36.252.2] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id JAA06832; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:36:50 +1300 Received: from DomPitt-Message_Server by arc.govt.nz with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:21:32 +1300 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:20:40 +1300 Subject: Re: Bardic College Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: "Ian Wood" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz I don't like either spell. Parts are ok, but in general no thank you. You can hear a lion for miles at night - that is the idea. Why can you = only hear this kitten for 5 feet??=20 Sound is not cone shaped. I can hear people beside me. It may not be = perfectly circular but that is close enough. I would have thought a circle = or rectangle would be easier to manage and would have depowered the spell = by endangering 'friendly targets'. The point of ventriloquism is not that the sound only occurs at one point = - that would be whispering -but rather to produce speech without moving = one's lips. So to say you are deafening someone for minutes is a little = over the top.=20 In general, I think that the discussion train of thought was going in the = corect direction. Bardic is about song and emotion, not sound. Sound based magics seem to me to have more of an 'elemental' flavour. An = elementalist plays with ice, water, air. So if you manipulate sound then = it should be an elementalist college But that means getting rid of the = emotional aspects. Basically Jackie, I feel that the consensus is against the bardic college = being everything you can dream up. Either have a 'song and emotion' Bardic = college, or have a 'sound' based elemental college. Everyone on the list seems to agree that Bardic should not for example, = have the 'bat eyes' spell. May be Air college should have it. good spell. Wrong college concept. ***In Summary*** We should spend the next three months of Bardic's life in identifying what = the college is about (Should take about 5 minutes) and what magics are = associated with that (about one hour), where the remaing spell ideas = should go (about 20 minutes) and examine the remaining spells (about 2 = hours). Thus in one 4 hour work shop we should be able to 'fix' Bardic. Of course we could just do it all on the discussion page and ask for votes = :) cheers, Ian ps I would like to create a goblin bard character, who was slung out from = home for singing the truth about the chieftain. Should be a right little = !@#$%&. There again, I could go for a celestial - less scary. i -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Mar 4 09:39:39 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id JAA06849; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:39:39 +1300 Received: from arc.govt.nz ([202.36.252.2] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id JAA06832; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:36:50 +1300 Received: from DomPitt-Message_Server by arc.govt.nz with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:21:32 +1300 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:20:40 +1300 Subject: Re: Bardic College Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: "Ian Wood" To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz I don't like either spell. Parts are ok, but in general no thank you. You can hear a lion for miles at night - that is the idea. Why can you = only hear this kitten for 5 feet??=20 Sound is not cone shaped. I can hear people beside me. It may not be = perfectly circular but that is close enough. I would have thought a circle = or rectangle would be easier to manage and would have depowered the spell = by endangering 'friendly targets'. The point of ventriloquism is not that the sound only occurs at one point = - that would be whispering -but rather to produce speech without moving = one's lips. So to say you are deafening someone for minutes is a little = over the top.=20 In general, I think that the discussion train of thought was going in the = corect direction. Bardic is about song and emotion, not sound. Sound based magics seem to me to have more of an 'elemental' flavour. An = elementalist plays with ice, water, air. So if you manipulate sound then = it should be an elementalist college But that means getting rid of the = emotional aspects. Basically Jackie, I feel that the consensus is against the bardic college = being everything you can dream up. Either have a 'song and emotion' Bardic = college, or have a 'sound' based elemental college. Everyone on the list seems to agree that Bardic should not for example, = have the 'bat eyes' spell. May be Air college should have it. good spell. Wrong college concept. ***In Summary*** We should spend the next three months of Bardic's life in identifying what = the college is about (Should take about 5 minutes) and what magics are = associated with that (about one hour), where the remaing spell ideas = should go (about 20 minutes) and examine the remaining spells (about 2 = hours). Thus in one 4 hour work shop we should be able to 'fix' Bardic. Of course we could just do it all on the discussion page and ask for votes = :) cheers, Ian ps I would like to create a goblin bard character, who was slung out from = home for singing the truth about the chieftain. Should be a right little = !@#$%&. There again, I could go for a celestial - less scary. i -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Mar 4 17:13:22 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id RAA07442; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:13:22 +1300 Received: from fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (fep1-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id RAA07439 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:13:18 +1300 Received: from qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.141]) by fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.11) with ESMTP id RAA28574; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:02:48 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:02:20 +1300 Message-ID: <15A7D8BC5E3ED2119E2E0000F82150FC0B85D1@qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz> Subject: DQ Gods Meeting Agenda: March 1999 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:02:19 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain From: Stephen Martin To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sunday 7th March 1999, Noon. At: Michael Parkinsons', 20/5 Park Rd, Grafton. Chair: Dean Second: Michael P 0) Adventures Going Out 1) Campaign Voting Issues * New second for next session. 2) Rules Voting Issues Remove Echosense from Bardic - Andrew W. Fighting Document into Widespread Playtest - Jono B. Shout of Thunder for Bardic College into Playtest - Jacqui S. Roar of the Lion for Bardic College into Playtest - Jacqui S. 3) Campaign General Business 4) Rules General Business Someone to finish converting Rules from Tex to MS Word. ******************************* Cheers, Stephen. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Mar 4 17:26:44 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id RAA07472; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:26:44 +1300 Received: from exchange.telebusiness.co.nz ([203.97.136.3] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id RAA07469 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:26:43 +1300 Received: by proxy.telebusiness.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) id ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:16:00 +1300 Message-ID: <01FAE6CB4A43D0118AB00020AF0F9257609CE0@proxy.telebusiness.co.nz> Subject: RE: DQ Gods Meeting Agenda: March 1999 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:15:58 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Terry Spencer To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Martin [mailto:stephen@qed.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 5:02 PM To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: DQ Gods Meeting Agenda: March 1999 Sunday 7th March 1999, Noon. At: Michael Parkinsons', 20/5 Park Rd, Grafton. Chair: Dean Second: Michael P 0) Adventures Going Out 1) Campaign Voting Issues * New second for next session. 2) Rules Voting Issues Remove Echosense from Bardic - Andrew W. *** Surely we can't arbitarily vote to remove a spell from a college? What happened to discussion about the probationary status of Bard (and Ice) -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers --