From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 08:50:48 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id IAA12775; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:50:48 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id IAA12772 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:50:46 +1300 Received: from phaeton.ihug.co.nz (p18-max25.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.99.18]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA06819 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:38:13 +1300 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990308083642.007cb860@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: phaeton@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:36:42 +1300 Subject: Seagate Times Deadline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Keith Smith To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz This is to remind people that the deadline for the Seagate Times is this Thursday evening. Please lets see those contributions rolling in ASAP. Thanks, Keith (phaeton@ihug.co.nz) -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 09:09:49 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id JAA12800; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:09:49 +1300 Received: from exchange.telebusiness.co.nz ([203.97.136.3] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id JAA12797 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:09:47 +1300 Received: by proxy.telebusiness.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:57:06 +1300 Message-ID: <01FAE6CB4A43D0118AB00020AF0F9257609CEB@proxy.telebusiness.co.nz> Subject: RE: Rulebook changes Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:57:04 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Terry Spencer To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Jun '98 Banishment is required to dismiss a summoned creature except that a Greater Summoner may use their Counterspell to dismiss something that they have summoned. Is the wording of the above this correct? An adept that summons a creature can no longer banish the creature themselves, even though they could in the past i.e. earth mages, with the exception of Greater Summoners. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 09:58:36 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id JAA12834; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:58:36 +1300 Received: from fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (fep1-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id JAA12831 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:58:35 +1300 Received: from qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.141]) by fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.11) with ESMTP id JAA20512; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:45:31 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:44:30 +1300 Message-ID: <15A7D8BC5E3ED2119E2E0000F82150FC0B85D9@qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz> Subject: RE: Rulebook changes Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:44:29 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain From: Stephen Martin To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Perhaps it should say Banishment is required to dismiss a summoned creature except for the summoning adept may use their Counterspell to dismiss something that they have summoned and controlled. Can anyone remember the reason for this clarification? Cheers, Stephen. > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Spencer [SMTP:terry@telebusiness.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 8:57 AM > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: RE: Rulebook changes > > Jun '98 > > Banishment is required to dismiss a summoned creature except that a > Greater > Summoner may use their Counterspell to dismiss something that they > have > summoned. > > > > > Is the wording of the above this correct? An adept that summons a > creature > can no longer banish the creature themselves, even though they could > in the > past i.e. earth mages, with the exception of Greater Summoners. > > > -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 10:51:21 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA13059; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:51:21 +1300 Received: from kcbbs.gen.nz (kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id KAA13056 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:51:20 +1300 Received: from LOCALNAME (as5200-52.kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.82]) by kcbbs.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08387; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:34:33 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990308103718.0a57a30a@kcbbs.gen.nz> X-Sender: salient@kcbbs.gen.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 10:37:18 Subject: RE: Rulebook changes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Brent & Sally To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Under the current rules (Greater Summoning Section 28.8 - Counterspells) : "If a Special Knowlege Counterspell is cast over a Summoned Demon by anyone, that Demon is banished back to the plane from whence it came." Hence a change to the rulebook is necessary to bring it in line with current practise. However, the change required is not as detailed by Keith, but rather, the rewording of the above sentence to reflect current play (eg replacing "anyone" with "the Adept who summoned it, or a Namer under the effects of a Banishment spell,"). Cheers, Brent. At 09:44 AM 8/03/99 +1300, Stephen Martin wrote: >Perhaps it should say > >Banishment is required to dismiss a summoned creature except for the >summoning adept may use their Counterspell to dismiss something that >they have summoned and controlled. > >Can anyone remember the reason for this clarification? > >Cheers, Stephen. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Terry Spencer [SMTP:terry@telebusiness.co.nz] >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 8:57 AM >> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz >> Subject: RE: Rulebook changes >> >> Jun '98 >> >> Banishment is required to dismiss a summoned creature except that a >> Greater >> Summoner may use their Counterspell to dismiss something that they >> have >> summoned. >> >> >> >> >> Is the wording of the above this correct? An adept that summons a >> creature >> can no longer banish the creature themselves, even though they could >> in the >> past i.e. earth mages, with the exception of Greater Summoners. >> >> >> -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- > > >-- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- > > -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 12:52:47 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id MAA13307; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:52:47 +1300 Received: from aj.co.nz (ns.aj.co.nz [202.27.194.165]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id MAA13304 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:52:46 +1300 Received: by aj.co.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (778.2 1-4-1999)) id CC25672E.00040AB7 ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:44:08 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ARMSTRONG JONES Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:44:07 +1200 Subject: Re: Rulebook changes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: rmansfield@aj.co.nz To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thanks for the list of current changes. As I thought they are mostly minor. Date for Next Rule Book Publication I think that there is no immediate rush to get the next rule book out. It is 'due' June 1999 but I can't see that this needs to be set in concrete. While the conversion is taking longer than we hoped , I don't think delaying the next edition for 3 - 6 months will do us any harm. Rosemary This message contains confidential information intended only for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient any use, review, perusal, dissemination, distribution or copying of this document is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error please immediately telephone us on +64-9-356 4000 and destroy the original message. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 16:27:07 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id QAA13672; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:27:07 +1300 Received: from kcbbs.gen.nz (kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id QAA13669 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:27:06 +1300 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by kcbbs.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23191 for dq@dq.sf.org.nz; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:10:11 +1300 (NZDT) Message-ID: <36E336DF.99FD3E3F@games.co.nz> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 15:33:04 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rulebook changes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jono Bean To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz rmansfield@aj.co.nz wrote: ... > While the conversion is taking longer than we hoped , I don't think delaying > the next edition for 3 - 6 months will do us any harm. Rosemary is right - no harm done in waiting for such minor changes. Yours faithfully, Jono Bean Circle Games - PBM Telephone (64) 021 649-628 Facsimile (649) 828-2759 Home (649) 828-2959 Email jono@games.co.nz Website http://www.games.co.nz Circle Games - PBM, PO Box 105-320 Auckand 1030 New Zealand. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 16:39:20 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id QAA13762; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:39:20 +1300 Received: from fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (fep1-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id QAA13759 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:39:19 +1300 Received: from qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.141]) by fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.11) with ESMTP id QAA19296; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:26:34 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:25:42 +1300 Message-ID: <15A7D8BC5E3ED2119E2E0000F82150FC0B85E0@qed_akl_nt_1.qed.co.nz> Subject: RE: Rulebook changes Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:25:33 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain From: Stephen Martin To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz and so the slippery slope starts... DQ2000 anyone? > -----Original Message----- > From: rmansfield@aj.co.nz [SMTP:rmansfield@aj.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 1:44 PM > > While the conversion is taking longer than we hoped , I don't think > delaying > the next edition for 3 - 6 months will do us any harm. > -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 17:54:08 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id RAA13878; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:54:08 +1300 Received: from aj.co.nz (ns.aj.co.nz [202.27.194.165]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id RAA13875 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:53:51 +1300 Received: by aj.co.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (778.2 1-4-1999)) id CC25672E.001F9BE4 ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:45:15 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ARMSTRONG JONES Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:45:07 +1200 Subject: Spells Costs - New Charts (finally) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=PUgLT6bpCAqsZu8zeX9j5Ib4I9gSDIxwmyvnlKOiwBuHHftZSdWH9YIv" Content-Disposition: inline From: rmansfield@aj.co.nz To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz --0__=PUgLT6bpCAqsZu8zeX9j5Ib4I9gSDIxwmyvnlKOiwBuHHftZSdWH9YIv Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I've done some more charts to compare different pricing models for spells (and fixed some of the errors on my 1st posting). Each model is on a seperate chart, but they are all the same scale for easy comparison. (One day I'll figure how to get multiple pivot tables onto one chart but not this century). (See attached file: spellcost2a.pdf) I also enclude an excel sheet (ver 5/95) with the current spell names, ems and prices, so you can fiddle yourself :> (See attached file: s-c95.xls) After the guild meeting I'll be organising a workshop to review what spells should be taught at the guild. Let me know if you want to be involved. Rosemary From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 19:22:28 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id TAA01710; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:22:28 +1300 Received: from aj.co.nz (ns.aj.co.nz [202.27.194.165]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id TAA01707 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:22:10 +1300 Received: by aj.co.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (778.2 1-4-1999)) id CC25672E.006F756B ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:17:25 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ARMSTRONG JONES Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:17:17 +1200 Subject: Spells Costs - New Charts again Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=CzfpioAVQ4WGgWzRh5J02GR1PV4knZeea5dRmNFu3Ka72QpgdxFb1Rlx" Content-Disposition: inline From: rmansfield@aj.co.nz To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz --0__=CzfpioAVQ4WGgWzRh5J02GR1PV4knZeea5dRmNFu3Ka72QpgdxFb1Rlx Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline (oops, I don't think my 1st mailing was successfull). I've done some more charts to compare different pricing models for spells (and fixed some of the errors on my 1st posting). Each model is on a seperate chart, but they are all the same scale for easy comparison. I also enclude an excel sheet (ver 5/95) with the current spell names, ems and prices, so you can fiddle yourself :> Rosemary (See attached file: spellcost2a.pdf)(See attached file: s-c95.xls) From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 19:35:28 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id TAA01734; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:35:28 +1300 Received: from aj.co.nz (ns.aj.co.nz [202.27.194.165]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id TAA01731 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:35:09 +1300 Received: by aj.co.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (778.2 1-4-1999)) id CC25672E.0070A7D0 ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:30:29 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ARMSTRONG JONES Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:30:21 +1200 Subject: Spells - 3rd try Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=R4YGCg2w4XgFnze24JGtbrGftfvOGo5RNjIkh1LozMQysF7d48kOC1cq" Content-Disposition: inline From: rmansfield@aj.co.nz To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz --0__=R4YGCg2w4XgFnze24JGtbrGftfvOGo5RNjIkh1LozMQysF7d48kOC1cq Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline (See attached file: s-c-charts.pdf)(See attached file: s-c95.xls) From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 20:11:54 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id UAA01774; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:11:54 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id UAA01771 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:11:53 +1300 Received: from phaeton.ihug.co.nz (p10-max36.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.101.202]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10549 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:02:36 +1300 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990309090112.007d2390@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: phaeton@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:01:12 +1300 Subject: Minutes from the March Gods Meeting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Keith Smith To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz DQ Gods Meeting Minutes March 7th 1999 Present: Dean (chair), Terry, Jono, Mike Young, Mike Parkinson, Rosemary, Phil, Ian, Andrew Withy, Martin, Scott, William, Jacqui, Keith, Stephen. (Note: Voting results are in the order (Yes/Abstain/No)) 1) Adventures going out. Person Level Notes William Medium to run over 3 sessions Martin ? arena (playtest fighting skill) Dean ? arena (playtest fighting skill) Andrew Low/medium the 'insult Belial' party Mike Medium or High not sure which of 2 games he going to run Jono Medium Greg Low/medium Paul rumour only Hell rescue party? Jeff rumour only 2) Chair for next session. Michael Parkinson withdrew and is replaced by Martin. Rosemary is 2nd. 3) Fighting Skill from Jono. A straw poll was taken "Do the gods think this structure is the right direction?" (11/3/0). Following this was a long discussion on the next stage of playtesting and whether or not it should be under 'controlled conditions'. It was finally decided to run 'Arena 2' with Martin and Dean GMing and Jono providing advise, interpretation etc. The participants should be able to choose what abilities they use. There was some misgivings that the skill contained quasi-magical elements but it was clarified that the skill per se is NOT quasi-magical but a couple of examples were given of fighting skills gifted with pacts which were magical. This was to show how easy it would be to slide more sub-skills in. 4) Bardic. Some discussion on whether to vote the specific proposals or send Jacqui out to have another go at the whole college. Some discussion was on the subject that the College should be restricted to music/emotion spells and drop the pure sound ones. General opinion was that there were specific 'sticking points' that Jacqui has addressed so the following votes were taken: a) Remove the Spell of Echosense (9/5/0) b) Keep Bardic in current mixed style (no to result in discussion of what style it should be changed to) (10/4/1) c) Remove Spell of Great Shout (11/3/1) d) Vote to add Shout of Thunder (9/4/2). It was noted that some clarifications were required. e) Vote to add Roar of Lion (3/6/6) 5) Probationary Status of Colleges: Bardic, Binder, Ice. This was left off the agenda by accident. After discussion it was decided that despite the great attendance we should leave this till the next meeting to allow others to have their say. It is to be added to next month's agenda. A vote will be taken to determine if the Colleges come out of probation with an abstention meaning to retain the status-quo while a Yes vote will retain them in the rulebook while a No vote will drop them right out. 6) Next Meeting Gods meeting of 4 April (Easter Sunday) moved to 11 April as many GM's had other commitments. 7) Spells available at the Guild Discussion on how we should progress this and votes on appropriate direction. a) Vote on 'Do we want to change the list of spells available to learn at the Guild? (7/8/0) b) Do we want a formula for pricing spells rather than the current random pricing? (11/3/1) c) Do we want to increase the volume of spells taught? (three way vote) Yes (more spells available) = 1 No (less spells available) = 4 Ab (same volume as current) = 10 d) Rosemary agreed to set up a workshop to review all spells in rules and chose which ones should be taught. It was decided to adopt Mike Young's method of dealing with spells learnt on adventure, ie, "SPELLS OR TALENTS GIVEN OUT AS TREASURE HAVE A NOMINAL VALUE WHICH IS PART OF PARTY TREASURE. THE PERSON WHO RECEIVED THE ABILITY MUST 'PAY' THE PARTY IT'S NOMINAL VALUE OUT OF THEIR TREASURE SHARE." 8) Spells being taught outside the Guild. It was suggested that there should be a cost for all spells obtainable from any source and that they should be treated as treasure with the student paying a tax for learning the spell outside the Guild. It was also suggested that spells learnt on quest should be non-teachable if they're not taught at the Guild. This is also to be put to the workshop. 9) Dragonskin armour given out to low-level party. A consistant policy should be in place for treasure allocations. Maybe another GM should assist the errant GM. Any adjustments need to be fair to the players. These adjustments are being dealt with. Mike to talk to Jeff. Should treasure splits be circulated among GMs? 10) Western Kingdoms. A request was made for as much information on the Western Kingdoms for the purposes of running political type adventures. Kelsie has produced a map and some information is available on the Gazateer that Mike Parkinson is maintaining. Jono is willing to produce a booklet on the Western Kingdoms. 11) Sheiva. Terry presented a document on an information gathering system currently doing surveillance on the Guild. The only current effect of this to to produce some paranoia effects on parties that are being watched. This is working in conjunction with the Campaign Committee. 12) Beliel. Andrew wanted to know if anyone else is doing anything with Beliel this session. 13) Powers. Martin is doing an update on the current Powers document. 14) Rules. It was reported that the conversion of the rulebook from LaTek to Word is nearly complete. Also Ross has made the offer to continue with it's editing. A list of changes for the new edition was requested from the Secretary. 15) Beastmaster. Scott to submit a new proposal. 16) Work In Progress. The current Work in Progress document was reviewed and updated. The revised document is below: WORK IN PROGRESS As of March 1999 Skills Herbalist Jim Arona To be picked up(b) Languages Jon McSpadden/Mike Parkinson In Progress Warrior/Fighting skills Jono Bean Ready for playtest Colleges Binder Stephen Martin In Probation Fire Paul Schmidt In Progress Rune Jon McSpadden In Progress Mind clarification Jacqui In Progress(c) Namer Martin Draft for submission(a) Magic Weapon spells Stephen Martin In Progress Wiccan Special Alchemy Michael Woodhams To be resubmitted(a) Light/Dark spells Jacqui In progress Install Flight Scott/Andrew Waiting for proposal Witchsight v Invisibility Jacqui Waiting for proposal Other Cold Iron Martin Dickson To be resubmitted(a) a) Mike Woodhams and Martin Dickson are to to e-mailed to determine the final status of their proposals. b) The Herbalist notes need to be obtained from Jim. c) Indetectability is a separate issue which will be handled by Andrew Meeting Closed -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 20:41:16 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id UAA01831; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:41:16 +1300 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id UAA01828 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:41:11 +1300 Received: via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/pcnz2.7) id JAA14189; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:31:52 +1300 Orig-Sender: Michael.Woodhams@peace.com Message-ID: <36E433B7.15BC8A25@peace.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:31:52 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Minutes from the March Gods Meeting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Woodhams To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: Michael.Woodhams@peace.com, dq@dq.sf.org.nz Keith Smith wrote: > 5) Probationary Status of Colleges: Bardic, Binder, Ice. > This was left off the agenda by accident. After discussion it was decided > that despite the great attendance we should leave this till the next > meeting to allow others to have their say. It is to be added to next > month's agenda. > > A vote will be taken to determine if the Colleges come out of probation > with an abstention meaning to retain the status-quo while a Yes vote will > retain them in the rulebook while a No vote will drop them right out. > You need to review your voting methods. An abstention is just that - it is *not* a vote for keeping probation. What happens if a vote is 4-yes, 3-ab, 3-no? It it in, despite only 40% support for this? What about 5-yes, 2-ab, 5-no? I suggest: There are 4 vote possibilities: yes, no, probation, abstain. Abstentions are ignored completely. A majority of the non-abstentions must be yes for the college to be adopted or no for the college to be dropped. If no majority is attained, the college stays in probation. This has the disadvantage that it is likely to extend probation rather than making a decision. Michael W. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 20:51:45 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id UAA01854; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:51:45 +1300 Received: from aj.co.nz (ns.aj.co.nz [202.27.194.165]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id UAA01851 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:51:43 +1300 Received: by aj.co.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (778.2 1-4-1999)) id CC25672E.0077A84B ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:46:58 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ARMSTRONG JONES Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:46:54 +1200 Subject: Gods Voting Proceedure Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: rmansfield@aj.co.nz To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Michael wrote: You need to review your voting methods. An abstention is just that - it is *not* a vote for keeping probation. What happens if a vote is 4-yes, 3-ab, 3-no? It it in, despite only 40% support for this? What about 5-yes, 2-ab, 5-no? I suggest: There are 4 vote possibilities: yes, no, probation, abstain. Abstentions are ignored completely. A majority of the non-abstentions must be yes for the college to be adopted or no for the college to be dropped. If no majority is attained, the college stays in probation. *** The point of the comment in the minutes is that we are intending Not to use the normal voting proceedure. The normal proceedure is Yes = accept the proposed change No = keep the status quo (or reject the proposal) Abstain = have no opinion Semi-regularily the question being asked is not binary so we use the 3rd vote (normally 'abstain') to indicate a preference for keeping the status quo. Rosemary From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 21:28:15 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id VAA01945; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:28:15 +1300 Received: from bo.nznet.gen.nz (ns1.nznet.gen.nz [203.167.232.34]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id VAA01942 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:28:14 +1300 Received: from takitimu.co.nz (ms2-41.nznet.gen.nz [203.167.232.171]) by bo.nznet.gen.nz (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA31354 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:18:23 +1300 Received: from takitimu.co.nz by takitimu.co.nz; Tue, 09 Mar 99 10:17:03 +1300 Message-ID: <36E43F22.2AC4241F@takitimu.co.nz> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:23:31 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Minutes from the March Gods Meeting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelsie To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: kelsie@takitimu.co.nz, dq@dq.sf.org.nz 8) Spells being taught outside the Guild. > It was suggested that there should be a cost for all spells obtainable from > any source and that they should be treated as treasure with the student > paying a tax for learning the spell outside the Guild. What is the reason for this? It was also > suggested that spells learnt on quest should be non-teachable if they're > not taught at the Guild. This is also to be put to the workshop. Kelsie -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 21:44:08 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id VAA01978; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:44:08 +1300 Received: from bo.nznet.gen.nz (ns1.nznet.gen.nz [203.167.232.34]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id VAA01975 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:44:07 +1300 Received: from takitimu.co.nz (ms2-51.nznet.gen.nz [203.167.232.181]) by bo.nznet.gen.nz (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA32414 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:34:13 +1300 Received: from takitimu.co.nz by takitimu.co.nz; Tue, 09 Mar 99 10:32:55 +1300 Message-ID: <36E442DA.78072881@takitimu.co.nz> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:39:26 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Minutes from the March Gods Meeting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelsie To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: kelsie@takitimu.co.nz, dq@dq.sf.org.nz 10) Western Kingdoms. > A request was made for as much information on the Western Kingdoms for the > purposes of running political type adventures. Kelsie has produced a map > and some information is available on the Gazateer that Mike Parkinson is > maintaining. Jono is willing to produce a booklet on the Western Kingdoms. > I have revived the mapping project begun during the war. ie I've mostly computerised all the maps that john had. When it's finished (or any usefull sections are) it'll be freely available. So far I've got coastlines, rivers towns done for the areas I've done, and I just have to fill in the terrain, and add text. They're not just scanned, they're vectorised, so they're scalable and clean. I have the maps of Brandenburg, Eltrandor, Volar & Drakenburg. I also have Amelia's map of Syborite etc, a small map of Tuscana, a copy of frontiers of Alusia and a few maps from adventures. John/Mandos have lost the 1:16 map of Ormond. Does anyone know where this is? I've been told I should ask MTB about Ranke and Martin about Aquila as I have no maps of these areas or Aladar. Does anyone know what happened to the war map with the pins that was at Albert street, that the war was run from? Also looking at the Gazetteer it appears that Parkie and Ian Wood have done a ot of work on other areas. Could any of you (and anyone else) who have maps bring them to the guild meeting, or get them to me some other way, so I can do them too. (It's surprisingly easy with the technology that I have). Preferably (much as it brings on fear and trepidation) originals as I can scan with filters if there is any difference between the colours or densities of ink/pencil/background grid, which makes it a lot easier to separate diiferent types of object. Kelsie -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 22:18:39 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id WAA02124; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:18:39 +1300 Received: from aj.co.nz (ns.aj.co.nz [202.27.194.165]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id WAA02112 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:18:37 +1300 Received: by aj.co.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (778.2 1-4-1999)) id CC25672E.007F7AB2 ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:12:24 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ARMSTRONG JONES Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:12:20 +1200 Subject: Re: Minutes from the March Gods Meeting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: rmansfield@aj.co.nz To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Kelsie wrote: 8) Spells being taught outside the Guild. > It was suggested that there should be a cost for all spells obtainable from > any source and that they should be treated as treasure with the student > paying a tax for learning the spell outside the Guild. What is the reason for this? **** There was a long discussion on the subject of how characters learn spells and abilities. The consensus was that often one player gets benefit from an NPC/situation that the other players in the game miss out on, eg extra ablilities, special training etc. Therefore we liked the idea that everything given out is party treasure, even when it is given to an individual. This is the method Mike Young has been using for a while. As for the tax bit that was suggested in passing but I'm not sure it got the universal approval Mike's idea recieved. In summary "SPELLS OR TALENTS GIVEN OUT AS TREASURE HAVE A NOMINAL VALUE WHICH IS PART OF PARTY TREASURE. THE PERSON WHO RECEIVED THE ABILITY MUST 'PAY' THE PARTY IT'S NOMINAL VALUE OUT OF THEIR TREASURE SHARE." The nominal value will come from what ever formula we end up adopting to price spells. NB. We also discussed the idea of giving the spells a nominal 'level' as a guide to GM's to what level adventure it might (or more importantly might not) be appropriate to give the spell out as treasure. The aim being to reduce the incidence of bunny characters suddenly having abilities widly out of sync with their experience. As indicated we will be workshopping the whole area, so some of this is a while away. Rosemary This message contains confidential information intended only for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient any use, review, perusal, dissemination, distribution or copying of this document is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error please immediately telephone us on +64-9-356 4000 and destroy the original message. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 22:59:03 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id WAA02207; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:59:03 +1300 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id WAA02204 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:59:01 +1300 Received: via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/pcnz2.7) id LAA24276; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:49:27 +1300 Orig-Sender: Michael.Woodhams@peace.com Message-ID: <36E453F7.23844E10@peace.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:49:27 +1300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Minutes from the March Gods Meeting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Woodhams To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: Michael.Woodhams@peace.com, dq@dq.sf.org.nz Kelsie wrote: > John/Mandos have lost the 1:16 map of Ormond. Does anyone know where > this is? Unless Ormond is *very* small, I'd think a 1:16 map was pretty hard to lose. Pieces of paper a few km per side usually draw attention to themselves. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 23:24:38 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id XAA02240; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:24:38 +1300 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id XAA02237 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:24:37 +1300 Received: from phaeton.ihug.co.nz (p51-max32.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.100.243]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA10182; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:15:13 +1300 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990309121339.007d3330@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: phaeton@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:13:39 +1300 Subject: Re: Minutes from the March Gods Meeting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Keith Smith To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz >Could any of you (and anyone else) who have maps bring them to the guild >meeting, or get them to me some other way, so I can do them too. I've got an outline map of Ranke with a few places marked on it if that's any help. Also avalable is a couple of outline maps for a few towns in Ranke as well i.e. Silverstream. Keith (phaeton@ihug.co.nz) -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Mar 8 23:25:15 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id XAA02247; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:25:15 +1300 Received: from mail.iconz.co.nz (oldmail.iconz.co.nz [202.14.100.36]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id XAA02244 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:25:14 +1300 Received: from mandos (e0.firewall.ak.iconz.net.nz [202.14.100.208]) by mail.iconz.co.nz (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id MAA206380920934954 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:15:54 +1300 (NZDT) Message-ID: <005501be69b9$28a26470$0d64a8c0@mandos.iconz> Subject: Re: Minutes from the March Gods Meeting Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:12:37 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 From: "Mandos Mitchinson" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz >> John/Mandos have lost the 1:16 map of Ormond. Does anyone know where >> this is? > >Unless Ormond is *very* small, I'd think a 1:16 map was pretty hard to lose. >Pieces of paper a few km per side usually draw attention to themselves. Where is ormond? Mandos /s -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers --