From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Apr 12 11:45:48 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id LAA30172; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:45:48 +1200 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id LAA30168 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:45:46 +1200 Received: from phaeton.ihug.co.nz (p6-max9.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.17.117.6]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA01728 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:44:42 +1200 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990412114227.007b97a0@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: phaeton@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:42:27 +1200 Subject: DQ Gods meeting minutes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Keith Smith To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz DQ Gods Meeting Minutes April 1999 Present: Jacqui, Mike Parkinson, Dean, Phil, Jono, Rosemary, Andrew, Mike Young, Jon, Ian, William, Keith, Terry 1) Location of Guild Meetings Rosemary has been investigating suitable locations. The nearest hall, available on Sundays, is the Parnell Community Centre which charges $25/hr. This implies we would need to charge around $2/head as attendances at Guild Meetings were about the 40 mark. Another possibility suggested were school halls such as St Mary's College. It was desirable to have the meetings as close to Central Auckland as possible as to minimise the number of bus trips required to get there. Another suggestion raised was to formalise an arrangement with the University which could cost up to $50/hr. It was then asked whether or not graduates count as students and how many university members we had in case we could qualify as an alumni club. Rosemary would try to see if Parnell could be procured as well. Vote of thanks raised for Terry for his efforts in providing the Lower Common Room for our use in the past. It was pointed out that running the September Guild meeting could be 'interesting' because of APEC and the city being 'locked down' during the leaders meetings. This was happening between the 10-12th of September. It may be necessary to move the Guild meeting away from that weekend, preferably towards the future. 2) Statuses of Probationary Colleges. It was noted that if any of the colleges are voted out that characters playing those colleges get their time and EP back for reinvestment. Note: All voting in order (Pass/Abstain/Fail) i) Bardic. It was pointed out that the College has been evolving and any further problems can be fixed no matter what the status was. Also, the probationary status of the College may be putting off people playing Bardic Mages. Keep the College in any form (12/1/1) Upgrade the College to full status from probationary (11/1/2) ii) Binder What was the theme of this College? The cosensus was Enchanting Objects. Should we extend E&E or keep Binder. Binder was perceived to be a good idea but still needs work. Golems were currently seen to be a problem. It was reported that Scott has offered to do a version of the College that doesn't have golems. The question was asked 'Should people who have characters in a College be working on that College?' It was decided if they want to, let them. Keep the College in any form (7/3/4) Upgrade the College to full status from probationary (4/1/8) iii) Ice This College was generally regarded as ok although the Ice Pack spell was mentioned as being too powerful. Keep the College in any form (10/3/1) Upgrade the College to full status from probationary (11/1/3) 3) Elementals Maybe the rituals should relate to the Bestiary as they are what is summoned while the Earth spell creates less powerful ones. It was mentioned that other creatures also have combined FT/EN eg Phantasms. For Earth elementals it was preferred that the height of the elemental is tied to the endurance. Do we want elementals to exceed their listed limits in the Beastary? Andrew to provide a list of options. 4) Fumble table. A new version was presented at the meeting which removed overstrengthing factors. GMs could treat this table the same as the backfire and critical hits table i.e. they could have their own. Should overstrengthed weapons be adjusted so as not to break on extra strength. Most weapons are bulk standard but characters can get weapons made to compensate for overstrengthing. The vote was (9/0/4) to put the new fumble rules into playtest and another vote is to taken next month to formally add them to the rules. Item to be added to next month's agenda. 5) Remove curse triangle limits Which way do we want this and we should clarify one way or another instead of returning to an indeterminate state. Making triangles portable would see more use of the ritual in play. Change rules that symbols of power for curse removal are portable (8/0/2) 6) Maps Kelsie has access to equipment for developing maps and is working on them. 7) Training Should magic be allowed to be ranked with skills. Less complicated if we do and only seems to matter with magical rituals. It also saves time, which is a non-renewable resource. Encourages specialisation? More discussion to follow. 8) GMs workshop Jon keen to do another GMs workshop. Jim and Mike Young have been working on a booklet covering the technical approach to GMing upon similar lines to what Jon was going to do. 9) Languages Two separate documents were handed out representing two different ways that languages could be handled i.e. Language Family Trees or Structured relationships. Mike Parkinson requested guidance on which way to go. 10) Witchsight v Invisibility A proposal for discussion has been placed on the e-mail list. Meeting Closed. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Apr 12 12:01:40 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id MAA30226; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:01:40 +1200 Received: from fclaklmr01.fcl.co.nz ([203.98.14.148] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id MAA30220 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:01:28 +1200 Received: from falaklnt000.falum.co.nz ([10.8.1.20]) by fclaklmr01.fcl.co.nz (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP id nz for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:59:24 +1200 Received: by falaklnt000.falum.co.nz with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE84DC.F4C33D20@falaklnt000.falum.co.nz>; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:06:54 +1200 Message-ID: Subject: Elemental EN/FT Options Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:06:53 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Perceived Problems: a) Stats for Fire/Water Elemental Rituals exceed those "summonable" in the bestiary b) Choosing EN/FT rather than fixed rank-depandant EN/FT can lead to silly results. c) Air has no stated EN/FT I wanted to keep this simple, but people want a list of all options: --------------------------------------------- Fix Problem (a) 1) Do Nothing 2) Change Bestiary to max EN 135, FT 180 for Fire, Water, Air. Add Air = 15+15/Rk combined EN & FT. 3) Change Bestiary to max EN 90, FT 125 for Fire, Water, Air, Ice. Change Fire, Water, Ice, add Air = 15+10/Rk combined EN & FT. 4) Change Fire, Water, Air to 15 + 6/Rank combined EN & FT. (Earth not included, as it is a spell at 15+5/Rank, people wanted it to be weaker than the rituals.) Fix Problem (b) 1) Do Nothing 2) Change all elementals to same fixed rate of EN & FT (e.g.; EN 5 + 2/Rk, FT 10+4/Rk). 3) Change elementals to different fixed rates of EN & FT based on element (eg; Fire EN 5+2/Rk FT 10+4/Rk, Earth EN 10+4/Rk, FT 5+2/Rk). Fix Problem (c) 1) Do Nothing 2) Make combined EN & FT same as Fire & Water (currently 15+15/Rk) 3) Make combined EN & FT same as Ice (currently 15+6/Rk) - Air is already the toughest elemental --------------------------------------------- Personally, I would like A3 or A4, B3 & C2 or C3. Opinions ? Andrew -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Apr 12 13:16:20 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id NAA30394; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:16:20 +1200 Received: from letterbox.cs.auckland.ac.nz (letterbox.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.35.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id NAA30391 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:16:19 +1200 Received: from [130.216.108.110] (clare.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.108.110]) by letterbox.cs.auckland.ac.nz (8.8.6/8.8.6/cs-master) with ESMTP id NAA10240 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:15:26 +1200 (sender clare@cs.auckland.ac.nz) X-Sender: clare@staffpop.cs.auckland.ac.nz Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:00:35 +1200 Subject: Re:Elemental EN/FT Options From: clare@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Clare West) To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz >Fix Problem (a) >1) Do Nothing >2) Change Bestiary to max EN 135, FT 180 for Fire, Water, Air. Add >Air = 15+15/Rk combined EN & FT. >3) Change Bestiary to max EN 90, FT 125 for Fire, Water, Air, Ice. >Change Fire, Water, Ice, add Air = 15+10/Rk combined EN & FT. >4) Change Fire, Water, Air to 15 + 6/Rank combined EN & FT. > >(Earth not included, as it is a spell at 15+5/Rank, people wanted it >to be weaker than the rituals.) I vote for A2 or A3 - A4 I think weakens the rituals too much. >Fix Problem (b) >1) Do Nothing >2) Change all elementals to same fixed rate of EN & FT (e.g.; EN 5 + >2/Rk, FT 10+4/Rk). >3) Change elementals to different fixed rates of EN & FT based on >element (eg; Fire EN 5+2/Rk FT 10+4/Rk, Earth EN 10+4/Rk, FT 5+2/Rk). Well any of these would be ok by me. But I would propose still allowing some flexability in stat choice - but give a minimum that must be given to each stat, based on rank. >Fix Problem (c) >1) Do Nothing >2) Make combined EN & FT same as Fire & Water (currently 15+15/Rk) >3) Make combined EN & FT same as Ice (currently 15+6/Rk) - Air is >already the toughest elemental I like C3 or C3 clare -- Clare West, Rm 107, Ext 8266 clare@cs.auckland.ac.nz -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers --