From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sun May 2 08:58:06 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id IAA25773; Sun, 2 May 1999 08:58:06 +1200 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id IAA25770 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 08:58:05 +1200 Received: from [206.18.101.211] (p19-max36.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.101.211]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA26390 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 08:51:37 +1200 Message-Id: <199905012051.IAA26390@smtp2.ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 08:50:48 +1300 Subject: Re: Languages From: flamis@pop.ihug.co.nz (Jacqui Smith) To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz >a) Unpronounceable Tongues >This section needs to be more clearly linked to the sentence in Restrictions >"Characters may not speak a tongue for which they do not have the vocal >apparatus." >We can then have a generic paragraph detailing how to understand an >unpronounceable tongue, quasi-magical speaking of such tongues, and a short >list >of those tongues in the rules that are unpronounceable by PC races (ie. >languages of races aren't humanoid). What about fully magical speaking of such languages? Is this confered by the Bardic communication spell? Jacqui -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sun May 2 08:58:14 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id IAA25778; Sun, 2 May 1999 08:58:14 +1200 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id IAA25775 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 08:58:13 +1200 Received: from [206.18.101.211] (p19-max36.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.101.211]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA26400; Sun, 2 May 1999 08:51:42 +1200 Message-Id: <199905012051.IAA26400@smtp2.ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 08:50:53 +1300 Subject: Re: No time discounts From: flamis@pop.ihug.co.nz (Jacqui Smith) To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz >Likewise the bard 50% time discount should be eliminated -- hopefully >Bards should be compensated by the immersion rules which may suit a >"traditional" bard, if such an animal exists, over mere adventurers. >Since ranking is proposed to be only 1xRank weeks, not the >ill-guided 2xRank weeks [it was my original suggestion, so I feel free to >acknowledge it as an error], the apparent need for the Bard discount is >also reduced. Although I do think that Bards should have some advantage when it comes to ranking languages. Perhaps a EP discount which is not stackable with the Philosopher discount? Jacqui -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sun May 2 08:58:04 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id IAA25768; Sun, 2 May 1999 08:58:04 +1200 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id IAA25765 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 08:58:02 +1200 Received: from [206.18.101.211] (p19-max36.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.101.211]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA26378 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 08:51:33 +1200 Message-Id: <199905012051.IAA26378@smtp2.ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 08:50:44 +1300 Subject: Teaching From: flamis@pop.ihug.co.nz (Jacqui Smith) To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Arguably if tutoring is always 1:1 then we should be booking the >Guild's teaching resources to ensure that they are not attempting to teach >more than one student at a time. > > If there is a special "teaching" skill why is it not available to be >learnt: Who teaches the teachers? :) > > I think I could probably make a good argument for this falling under >the "Supervision" ability of skills that lets you direct the work (and >perhaps training/study) of sub-ordinates. Speaking as a teacher of 14-19 year-olds (ie same age range as low level adventurers) I can only agree. A great deal of teaching at that level is as much direction and managing the study of students as it is instruction. It's called facilitating learning... And in the medieval setting, a master was a teacher of apprentices as much as a skilled craftman in his own right. Jacqui -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sun May 2 14:49:37 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id OAA26093; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:49:37 +1200 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id OAA26090 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:49:36 +1200 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p23-max46.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.229.87]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA11594 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:43:01 +1200 Subject: Re: No time discounts Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 14:38:46 +1200 Message-ID: <01be9444$e6dd43a0$57e56dcb@jimarona.ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 From: "Jim Arona" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz -----Original Message----- From: Jacqui Smith To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Date: Sunday, May 02, 1999 8:51 AM Subject: Re: No time discounts >>Likewise the bard 50% time discount should be eliminated -- hopefully >>Bards should be compensated by the immersion rules which may suit a >>"traditional" bard, if such an animal exists, over mere adventurers. >>Since ranking is proposed to be only 1xRank weeks, not the >>ill-guided 2xRank weeks [it was my original suggestion, so I feel free to >>acknowledge it as an error], the apparent need for the Bard discount is >>also reduced. > >Although I do think that Bards should have some advantage when it comes to >ranking languages. Perhaps a EP discount which is not stackable with the >Philosopher discount? They have a spell that learns them speak other languages, as I recall. I think that's advantage enough. 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Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE94DF.C7CD7020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I could perhaps quote from one of last century's greatest wits. It appears that training and teaching is coming up a few times - perhaps = it is pertinent to consider training in its entirety. It may be useful to enable characters to quicky learn skills, but loose = them just as quickly - the Berlitz method of teaching languages. There = again perhaps there should be several ways of learning anything.=20 One could take an apprenticeship and study slowly, arriving at say rank = 4 after several years. Two could take classes, with other students, and have a small chance of = gaining some ranks over the years. Three could hire a tutor or twenty and learn at an accelerated pace, = reaching rank 6 after 6 or 7 months. Four could go for educational equivalent of the land speed record, and = cram as much of the essentials in and have a "working" rank of 4 or 5 = after say two weeks. This rank would only last as long as the student = continued to exercise the skill, and would have to have refreshers, = practice sessions (time and ep) over the following months to keep the = rank (and would still loose it if the PC failed ot keep it up). OR we could say that training is not broken. We want a simple system = that is easy on the book keeping. If a set of skills seems to be treated = wrongly, lets move it to another group of skills, say Adventuring. We, as GMs, can of course give temporary ranks in essential skills to = characters, to get them through the game. we can charge them EP if they = want them to last a few months after the campaign.=20 It may be that we just needed this discussion to remind ourselves that = the reason we have GMs is to interprete rules and use them wisely when = appropriate, stiving ever to keep game balance and participation = enjoyable. If GMs would like some altenative guidelines on training = variations then I would be pleased to devise some simple tips. cheers, Ian PS. I could suggest that one difference between fantasy and reality is = the expectation that the teacher will actually know something of the = subject. I do know that most university research has shown the latest NZ = education doctrine to be rather poor in producing students who actually = learnt anything - rather than having a good time or 'learning how to = learn'. BUT, i will limit this thought to a foot note as it is not = truely germaine to progressing the DQ game. -----Original Message----- From: Jacqui Smith [SMTP:flamis@ihug.co.nz] Sent: 02 May 1999 07:51 To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Teaching > Arguably if tutoring is always 1:1 then we should be booking = the >Guild's teaching resources to ensure that they are not attempting to = teach >more than one student at a time. > > If there is a special "teaching" skill why is it not available = to be >learnt: Who teaches the teachers? :) > > I think I could probably make a good argument for this falling = under >the "Supervision" ability of skills that lets you direct the work (and >perhaps training/study) of sub-ordinates. Speaking as a teacher of 14-19 year-olds (ie same age range as low level adventurers) I can only agree. A great deal of teaching at that level is = as much direction and managing the study of students as it is instruction. It's called facilitating learning... And in the medieval setting, a master was a teacher of apprentices as = much as a skilled craftman in his own right. 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