From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri May 28 00:27:08 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id AAA14762; Fri, 28 May 1999 00:27:08 +1200 Received: from akl-notes.aj.co.nz (ns.aj.co.nz [202.27.194.165]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id AAA14758 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 00:27:03 +1200 Received: by akl-notes.aj.co.nz(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (778.2 1-4-1999)) id 4C25677F.00018D8B ; Fri, 28 May 1999 12:16:57 +1200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AJ.CO.NZ Message-ID: <4C25677F.00018BA3.00@akl-notes.aj.co.nz> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:16:52 +1200 Subject: DQ - C Class Maximim Ranks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: Rosemary_Mansfield/AJNzl/NZ@aj.co.nz To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz I would like the Gods approval to to review the C Class Maximum ranks as part of the Weapon Abilities proposal. During the playtests and workshops on Jono's Weapon Abilities it became obvious that several abilities were aimed specifically at C Class because of the low Maximum Ranks ( mostly boosing the damage by a point or so). The rational behind these low Max Ranks seems to be the concept that C Class weapons are less complex to use than others and therefore there is less scope to get better with them. No-one in our group disagreed with this concept but we all agreed that the major side effect was that a fully ranked C class weapon does less damage than a fully ranked B Class weapon. Damage at max rank for B class ranges from +4 to +8; and for C class ranges from +2 to +7. We all had the feeling that C class should do more damage than other weapons. We want to address the problem at source rather than adding multiple patches. I will be putting this on the next meeting agenda to see if the wider group agrees with us. Rosemary This message contains confidential information intended only for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient any use, review, perusal, dissemination, distribution or copying of this document is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error please immediately telephone us on +64-9-356 4000 and destroy the original message. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri May 28 00:37:37 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id AAA14789; Fri, 28 May 1999 00:37:37 +1200 Received: from fclaklmr01.fcl.co.nz (mail.fcl.co.nz [203.98.14.148]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id AAA14786 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 00:37:35 +1200 Received: from falaklnt000.falum.co.nz ([10.8.1.20]) by fclaklmr01.fcl.co.nz (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP id nz for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 12:20:04 +1200 Received: by falaklnt000.falum.co.nz with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BEA904.B8F6ADD0@falaklnt000.falum.co.nz>; Fri, 28 May 1999 12:22:16 +1200 Message-ID: Subject: RE: DQ - C Class Maximim Ranks Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:22:14 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz The other differences are that the strike chance is 20% lower - BC 10% less (45-50), and two less ranks; and the evasion doesn't happen with "C"-class weapons. I think that most Rank 5 "C"-class should go to Rank 7. Shields, Unarmed, Qstaff & Cestus are all exceptions to the "more damage/higher base chance/higher rank" issue, so a blanket "C"-class ability change isn't appropriate. As an aside, If we change the last "untouchable" area - the weapon table, I would like to weaken Glaive & B/axe slightly -1 damage or 5-10% BC, to stop them being so obviously the best in their classes, or maybe improve halberd, broad sword, etc. slightly. This just adds a greater range of names for sticks with damage at the end, but it all helps. Andrew >---------- >From: Rosemary_Mansfield > >I would like the Gods approval to to review the C Class Maximum ranks as >part >of the Weapon Abilities proposal. > >... we all agreed that the major side effect was that a fully ranked C class >weapon does less damage than a fully ranked B Class weapon. > > -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri May 28 04:47:48 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id EAA15551; Fri, 28 May 1999 04:47:48 +1200 Received: from bo.nznet.gen.nz (ns1.nznet.gen.nz [203.167.232.34]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id EAA15548 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 04:47:45 +1200 Received: from takitimu.co.nz (ms2-41.nznet.gen.nz [203.167.232.171]) by bo.nznet.gen.nz (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04270 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 16:38:20 +1200 Received: from takitimu.co.nz by takitimu.co.nz; Fri, 28 May 99 16:20:56 +1200 Message-ID: <374E1A70.7F55A91@takitimu.co.nz> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:24:18 +1200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Needed Urgently: Portal Access Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelsie To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: kelsie@takitimu.co.nz, dq@dq.sf.org.nz Does anyone have access to portal or similar from the vicinity of Mittlemarkhauptschadt (but not inside the city as that's blockaded) and the vicinity of the guild. HELP! Razor and friends. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri May 28 06:45:51 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id GAA15755; Fri, 28 May 1999 06:45:51 +1200 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id GAA15752 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 06:45:50 +1200 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p75-tnt2.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.245.75]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id SAA10420 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 18:29:03 +1200 Subject: Re: DQ - C Class Maximim Ranks Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:27:28 +1200 Message-ID: <01bea8d3$28b578e0$4bf56dcb@jimarona.ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 From: "Jim Arona" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz I think that some sort of review is in order for C class weapons. They appear to have been in regular use as weapons for as long as people have been interested in hitting people with something that wasn't their hand. Whether or not they need to go as high as 7 or some other number, I really don't know. I do believe however that most weapons should have special abilities. For example, I think flails should have the special ability to ignore the defence bonus of shields. If the idea is to avoid the stick with a number on it, then something that creates the sense that the weapon is doing something special is a solution. Making the weapons rankable to 7 doesn't address the specialness of the weapon. I'm inclined to think that it just makes it similar to other weapons. Jim. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers --