From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri Oct 1 08:31:11 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id IAA18880; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:31:11 +1200 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id IAA18877 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:31:09 +1200 Message-ID: <37F3C7BC.F1C3C05E@peace.com> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 08:27:41 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Mind College 1.3 Special Knowledge Spells Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Dickson To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Hi Paul, Paul Schmidt wrote: > Telepathy - can we make this one target only and in a 120 degree arc in > front of the Adept? I'm not sure what you mean here, could you expand perhaps? An arc and a single target spell seem to be at odds... unless you are suggesting a scan of 120 deg (presumably picking up the existence of minds and their location) and focusing only on one at a time. > Mental attack - succesful resistance should add a bonus for future > resistance from the same adept for a number of minutes. This sounds a a good remedy to the "well, I'll zap him again then" approach to DQ magic... its the sort of thing that would have applications beyond Mental Attack. > Telekinetci Rage: Change to a cone effect to make it more useful and up the > cast chance base to 15%. Change the base damage to d + 1/Rank to make > calculations easier. Errr... this would create an entirely new spell wouldn't it? Cone shaped, 15%, D+1/Rank as opposed to 360 deg, 1%, variable damage from 1 to 135. (I suspect the Em would also change - it would be hard to justify 750 for a D+1 spell even if area effect). > Transmutation: good name. Change the effect however so that living cratures > are changed to a simlar genus - eg elf to human, dwarf etc. Non-living > things keep as is. If you don't do this its a simle death spell. At 1000 EM > is still fantasically useful. I think that (boring as it may be) at 1000 EM it deserves to be allowed to be a "simple death spell" f the caster desires, if removing that possibility also cuts down its other uses... what you suggest would also prevent the more imaginative uses of this spell, turning a party member into a snake to fit them through a small hole, or into a fish to swim underwater. If the price of that is that the caster might kill an enemy by turning them into a fish in an inappropriate place, then I think given the BC and EM of the spell that is a cost we can weather. Cheers, Martin -- _/_/ Peace Software New Zealand Ltd Email: Martin.Dickson@peace.com _/ Martin Dickson Fax : +64-9-373-0401 Analyst Phone: +64-9-373-0400 -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri Oct 1 08:37:17 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id IAA18910; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:37:17 +1200 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id IAA18907 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:37:15 +1200 Message-ID: <37F3C92C.EB094459@peace.com> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 08:33:48 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Mind College 1.3 Special Knowledge Spells Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Dickson To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Jacqui Smith wrote: > Special Knowledge Spells > > S6. Phantasm > Damage done by a > Phantasm is real, inflicted by the victim's own mind. What exactly is meant here by "real"? Magical damage is "real" in that it can kill... but it is not "physical" can cannot usually stun, but nor is it blocked by armour. What form does Phantasm damage take? Cheers, Martin -- _/_/ Peace Software New Zealand Ltd Email: Martin.Dickson@peace.com _/ Martin Dickson Fax : +64-9-373-0401 Analyst Phone: +64-9-373-0400 -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Sep 30 22:01:01 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id WAA00686; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:01:01 +1200 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id WAA00683 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:00:54 +1200 Received: from phaeton (p170-tnt1.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.111.170]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id JAA15467 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:44:19 +1200 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991001094514.00887bf0@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: phaeton@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:45:14 +1200 Subject: Re: Mind College 1.3 Preamble and Talents Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Keith Smith To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz >I think the current system also has the effect that Mind Mage spells that are >cast on self are always cast at +0% since the Mind Mage's WP is never higher or >lower than that of the target. :) And somewhat bizarre when a Mind Mage attempts to affect an object as with TK. Since objects (usually!) have a WP of zero... >Since the MA requirement for this college is low (realtively speaking) and WP is >important Mind Mages tend to have high WP... this change will also mean that the >bonus will apply to Self only spells, or those that are effectively cast from >the Mind Mage, eg. Telepathy, Mind Speech, TK Rage, etc. > >Is this intentional, and have the flow on effects been considered? It is, and I had considered it. Most of the self-only spells are the ones with relatively low bases chances anyhow. In fact, in my experience, the Mind College WP bonus is at present rarely played. It's generally considered too much bother... to figure out the base chance every time you cast a non-self-targeted spell. Especially since the GM has to do it. Jacqui -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Sep 30 22:10:55 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id WAA00711; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:10:55 +1200 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id WAA00708 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:10:54 +1200 Received: from phaeton (p170-tnt1.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.111.170]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id JAA17675 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:54:33 +1200 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991001095537.0080fb80@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: phaeton@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:55:37 +1200 Subject: Re: Mind College 1.3 Special Knowledge Spells Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Keith Smith To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz >> Phantasm is real, inflicted by the victim's own mind. > >What exactly is meant here by "real"? Magical damage is "real" in that it can >kill... but it is not "physical" can cannot usually stun, but nor is it blocked >by armour. What form does Phantasm damage take? It's intended to be inflicted by the victim's own mind on their body. I imagine that armour would be effective, because that would be the victim's expectation. But it wouldn't be able to stun the victim... Interesting point... Jacqui -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Sep 30 22:50:59 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id WAA00755; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:50:59 +1200 Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (mailhost.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.1.4]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id WAA00752 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:50:57 +1200 Received: from sci4 (lbr-122-42.lbrsc.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.122.42]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (8.9.2/8.9.2/8.9.2-ua) with SMTP id KAA28120 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:34:33 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <199909302234.KAA28120@mailhost.auckland.ac.nz> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:39:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Mind College WP bonus X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) From: "Michael Parkinson" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz, dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sorry, not quite... > And somewhat bizarre when a Mind Mage attempts to affect an object as with > TK. > Since objects (usually!) have a WP of zero... The Mindmage gets no bouns on this case -- the rules state that the bonus only applies if the spell "has a target of entity" > In fact, in my experience, the Mind College WP bonus is at present rarely > played. It's generally considered too much bother... I strongly disagree. As Martin has pointed out [sorry I'm paraphrasing because our mail system crashed & his message was lost] the modifiers give a satisfactory "mind-mage." I.e., imho: they like to prey on bunnies whose feeble minds are easily swamped by the mental might of he who would be Master; but, like a Republic serial Villain, their planning & crowing often comes to naught against one whose mind is pure (or atleast strong, if not pure). As a player, I like this; don't change it. No to mention the inner balance of Mindmagics (at 11 MA) being available to almost any peasant/character to learn ... regards, Michael Michael Parkinson Mathematics & Statistics Subject Librarian Science Library, University of Auckland, Private Bag 92019, AUCKLAND, N.Z. Email: m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz Phone: (09) 3737 599 x 5858 Fax: (09) 3082 304 -------------------------------------------------------------- ... at a great distance from its empirical source, or after much "abstract" inbreeding, a mathematical subject is in danger of degeneration. At the inception the style is usually classical; when it shows signs of becoming baroque, then the danger signal is up. -- von Neumann (1947) in "The Neumann Compendium" edited by Brody & Vamos (1995) ======================================================================== -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Thu Sep 30 23:27:28 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id XAA00790; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:27:28 +1200 Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (mailhost.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.1.4]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id XAA00787 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:27:26 +1200 Received: from sci4 (lbr-122-42.lbrsc.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.122.42]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (8.9.2/8.9.2/8.9.2-ua) with SMTP id LAA04070 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:11:01 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <199909302311.LAA04070@mailhost.auckland.ac.nz> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:16:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Mind College 1.3 Special Knowledge Spells X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) From: "Michael Parkinson" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz, dq@dq.sf.org.nz > I think that (boring as it may be) at 1000 EM it deserves to be allowed to be a > "simple death spell" f the caster desires, if removing that possibility also > cuts down its other uses... Of course any truly warped, Dr Phibes-wannabe mind-mage will use it to create a fiendishly complicate death spell, or atleast one with artistic merit .... E.g. one of Blayze's best deaths; Ah what a kidder that Pale Dule is! I remember .... Warning to Upper-medium-plus parties: I *love* mind-mage demons, they allow one to indulge one's artistic impulses free from the normal social responsibility of minimizing one's bad taste. > what you suggest would also prevent the more > imaginative uses of this spell, turning a party member into a snake to fit them > through a small hole, or into a fish to swim underwater. Indeed. Frankly I find it a useful way of having something happen within the rules, other than the "because I want it to" option. regards, Michael Michael Parkinson Mathematics & Statistics Subject Librarian Science Library, University of Auckland, Private Bag 92019, AUCKLAND, N.Z. Email: m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz Phone: (09) 3737 599 x 5858 Fax: (09) 3082 304 -------------------------------------------------------------- As a mathematical discipline travels far from its empirical source, ... It becomes more and more pure aestheticizing, more and more purely _l'art pour l'art._ This need not be bad if the field is surrounded by correlated subjects which still have closer empirical connections, or if the discipline is under the influence of men with exceptionally well-developed taste. -- von Neumann (1947) in "The Neumann Compendium" edited by Brody & Vamos (1995) ======================================================================== -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Fri Oct 1 03:00:53 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id DAA01103; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 03:00:53 +1200 Received: from qedweb.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.140] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id DAA01100 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 03:00:48 +1200 Received: by QEDWEB with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:43:30 +1200 Message-ID: Subject: DQ Gods Meeting Agenda: October 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:43:29 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain From: Stephen Martin To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz DON'T FORGET TO ALLOW FOR DAYLIGHT SAVINGS! Cheers, Stephen. ************************** Sunday 19th September 1999, Noon. At: Michael Parkinsons', 20/5 Park Rd, Grafton. Chair: William Second: ? 1) Campaign Voting Issues * New Second to Chair * Acceptance of new Healing Potions 2) Rules Voting Issues * Acceptance of Fire Rewrite 3) Campaign General Business * All changes for the next rulebook need to be compiled, proofed, and then sent to Ross with a polite request to incorporate them and send back the result. This is high priority if we want to meet our target of a new rulebook for December! - Related side-note: Has anyone made any progress in format conversion?? 4) Rules General Business -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers --