From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Oct 5 09:19:09 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id JAA07789; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:19:09 +1300 Received: from fclaklmr01.fcl.co.nz (mail.fcl.co.nz [203.98.14.148]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id JAA07784 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:17:56 +1300 Received: from falaklex00.falum.co.nz ([10.8.1.28]) by fclaklmr01.fcl.co.nz (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id nz for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:12:46 +1300 Received: by FALAKLEX00 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:57:18 +1300 Message-ID: <311B3C3DD32FD311B33900805F770A725FB332@FALAKLEX00> Subject: RE: Rule book additions Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:57:17 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BF0EA2.A97BA2C0" From: "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF0EA2.A97BA2C0 Content-Type: text/plain Bloody Namers - first they steal all the MInd & E&E generals and a few of the specials - now they are after Illusionists (almost as bad as witches as stealing spells). Illusionists already have a ritual (though not as large/long) that protects against scrying of a lower rank. However, scrying magics tend to be of a fairly high rank, so it's not used often against scrying. Thaumaturgists unite and stamp out these thieving Namers before they steal all our colleges! Seriously, not a bad idea but we already have _something_ that does this, so its not essential. Still, how does it integrate with the Namer re-write? Martin - remember the re-write? Surely you're not still recovering from your holiday in Canada? Rgds Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Schmidt [SMTP:rodking@ihug.co.nz] > Subject: Rule book additions > > A brief suggestion for Namers. If there is one thing DQ lacks its > protection > from scrying of some type. Some form of scry denial would make the game > much > more exciting for both players and GM's so... > I suggest the following spell and following ritual for Namers be added to > the next rulebook. > > > Protection from Scrying - Namer Special > Hide Volume - Namer Ritual > Cheers > Paul > ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF0EA2.A97BA2C0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Rule book additions

Bloody Namers - first they steal all = the MInd & E&E generals and a few of the specials - now they = are after Illusionists (almost as bad as witches as stealing spells). = Illusionists already have a ritual (though not as large/long) that = protects against scrying of a lower rank. However, scrying magics tend = to be of a fairly high rank, so it's not used often against = scrying.

Thaumaturgists unite and stamp out = these thieving Namers before they steal all our colleges!

Seriously, not a bad idea but we = already have _something_ that does this, so its not essential. Still, = how does it integrate with the Namer re-write? Martin - remember the = re-write? Surely you're not still recovering from your holiday in = Canada?

Rgds

Andrew

    -----Original Message-----
    From:   Paul Schmidt [SMTP:rodking@ihug.co.nz]
    Subject:       = Rule book additions

    A brief suggestion for Namers. If = there is one thing DQ lacks its protection
    from scrying of some type. Some form = of scry denial would make the game much
    more exciting for both players and = GM's so...
    I suggest the following spell and = following ritual for Namers be added to
    the next rulebook.


    Protection from Scrying - Namer = Special
    <snip>

    Hide Volume - Namer Ritual
    <snip>

    Cheers
    Paul

------_=_NextPart_001_01BF0EA2.A97BA2C0-- -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Oct 5 09:40:46 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id JAA07834; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:40:46 +1300 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id JAA07831 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:40:45 +1300 Message-ID: <37F91043.B5CAA039@peace.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:38:27 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rule book additions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Dickson To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" wrote: > Seriously, not a bad idea but we already have _something_ that does > this, so its not essential. Still, how does it integrate with the > Namer re-write? Martin - remember the re-write? Surely you're not > still recovering from your holiday in Canada? Hi Andew, I think that if anyone is stealing things then perhaps the Illusionists would care to explain why they have an anti-scrying ritual... and perhaps they should just put it back on the shelf before someone notices and informs the authorities. Seriously though, I think Paul's idea fits well with the Namer's general flavour. As both a player and GM I have never noticed a lack of anti-scrying magics in DQ, though none of them have been defined as available for players. Certainly I have used the device myself of preventing scrying into an area for exactly the reason Pauls cites: to make the game more exciting. It can be difficult to sustain a good mystery in DQ given the amount of scying and divinatory magics floating around. And yes, i do remember the re-write. :) Oh, OK... how about a draft for the next God's meeting then? Paul -- if you are happy with this I will include the anti-scrying abilities into the draft revision. What I would suggest is that perhaps instead of having 2 abilities virtually the same save for duration then having one with the ability to cast it in either form (perhaps with some ritual components for the very long duration one). This is a little more powerful, but I can't see the ritual version being very desirable to PCs otherwise. And whilst it would probably still be a good addition to the College abilities that PCs don't acquire and rank lose some of their relevancy. Cheers, Martin -- _/_/ Peace Software New Zealand Ltd Email: Martin.Dickson@peace.com _/ Martin Dickson Fax : +64-9-373-0401 Analyst Phone: +64-9-373-0400 -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Oct 5 18:04:53 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id SAA08528; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:04:53 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id SAA08525 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:04:52 +1300 Received: from paul (p410-tnt6.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.136.170]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id SAA14405 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:02:56 +1300 Message-ID: <003201bf0eee$da2004c0$6564640a@paul> Subject: Re: Rule book additions Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:02:38 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Paul Schmidt" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: "Paul Schmidt" , dq@dq.sf.org.nz I'm cool with this but think the spell version I have given might have too long a duration. I prefer your idea of having only one effect but having a variable duration depending on material components etc. Cheers Paul >Seriously though, I think Paul's idea fits well with the Namer's general >flavour. As both a player and GM I have never noticed a lack of >anti-scrying magics in DQ, though none of them have been defined as >available for players. Certainly I have used the device myself of >preventing scrying into an area for exactly the reason Pauls cites: to >make the game more exciting. It can be difficult to sustain a good >mystery in DQ given the amount of scying and divinatory magics floating >around. > >Paul -- if you are happy with this I will include the anti-scrying >abilities into the draft revision. What I would suggest is that perhaps >instead of having 2 abilities virtually the same save for duration then >having one with the ability to cast it in either form (perhaps with some >ritual components for the very long duration one). This is a little >more powerful, but I can't see the ritual version being very desirable >to PCs otherwise. And whilst it would probably still be a good addition >to the College abilities that PCs don't acquire and rank lose some of >their relevancy. > >Cheers, > Martin > >-- > > _/_/ Peace Software New Zealand Ltd Email: Martin.Dickson@peace.com >_/ Martin Dickson Fax : +64-9-373-0401 > Analyst Phone: +64-9-373-0400 > > > >-- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- > -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Oct 5 18:18:05 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id SAA08555; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:18:05 +1300 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id SAA08552 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:18:04 +1300 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p76-max9.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.199.112]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id SAA31563; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:16:00 +1300 Subject: Re: Rule book additions Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:15:26 +1300 Message-ID: <01bf0ef0$a3264f40$70c76dcb@jimarona.ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 From: "Jim Arona" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz -----Original Message----- From: Paul Schmidt To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Date: Tuesday, 5 October 1999 18:03 Subject: Re: Rule book additions >I'm cool with this but think the spell version I have given might have too >long a duration. I prefer your idea of having only one effect but having a >variable duration depending on material components etc. > >Cheers >Paul > > > >>Seriously though, I think Paul's idea fits well with the Namer's general >>flavour. As both a player and GM I have never noticed a lack of >>anti-scrying magics in DQ, though none of them have been defined as >>available for players. Certainly I have used the device myself of >>preventing scrying into an area for exactly the reason Pauls cites: to >>make the game more exciting. It can be difficult to sustain a good >>mystery in DQ given the amount of scying and divinatory magics floating >>around. >> >>Paul -- if you are happy with this I will include the anti-scrying >>abilities into the draft revision. What I would suggest is that perhaps >>instead of having 2 abilities virtually the same save for duration then >>having one with the ability to cast it in either form (perhaps with some >>ritual components for the very long duration one). This is a little >>more powerful, but I can't see the ritual version being very desirable >>to PCs otherwise. And whilst it would probably still be a good addition >>to the College abilities that PCs don't acquire and rank lose some of >>their relevancy. >> >>Cheers, >> Martin >> I like Martin's idea, although I'd rather have a much smaller area of effect and duration for the spell cast version. Otherwise, you'd have the anti-scrying spell changing ranges of things inside the area of effect. Perhaps if the area was a megahex, that didn't increase by Rank? Something along those lines, maybe... I hate the idea of componentry, though...Expensive componentry is valueless when the pc's mangage to get lots of money, and crippling when they have bugger all. It doesn't provide the kind of control that's effective to a game. As far as the effect is concerned, I don't see a problem with it. It foils things like Wizard's Eyes and Crystals of Vision, which means it tends to provide players with more interesting adventures. Jim. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Oct 5 23:10:07 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id XAA08893; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:10:07 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id XAA08890 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:10:06 +1300 Received: from paul (p193-tnt6.akl.ihug.co.nz [216.100.154.193]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id XAA12352 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:08:03 +1300 Message-ID: <000001bf0f19$7a4674a0$6564640a@paul> Subject: Rule book changes Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:04:15 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Paul Schmidt" To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: "Paul Schmidt" , dq@dq.sf.org.nz A couple of suggested quick changes for the rulebook The system currently penalises those characters who charge in risking life and limb for their fellows or those who charge out bravely in general. 1) A small change. Can I suggest the penalty for charging be changed from a 15 point penalty to a 10 point bonus? A ten point bonus would be half the current bonus for charging with a polearm. This should encourage people to be braver and not penalise them for putting their skins at risk. (Its also more sensible :). It would also retain an advantage for poelarms. 2) Evading. The bonus for retreating is 20 to defence. The bonus for evading is 10% + 4/Rank. Silly since both are attempts to protect yourself and retreating is just a specific case of evading. BTW, the bonus from missiles when evading is also 20%, the same as retreating. Can I suggest either of the following quick changes: a) Evading becomes the same as retreating - a 20% increase to defence. This is fast to administer and in line with other defence bonuses from movement (c/f retreating and missile evasion). The parry calculation on a d10 would remain the same but also be extended to retreating. After all retreating is just evading - backwards. This would speed the game up, be simple to administer and help address defence. OR b) The defence bonus from evading be reduced to 10% +2/Rank and retreating characters be able to parry. BTW, I prefer option a) to b) above. Simpler and more consistent. c) Only 1 parry be allowed per pulse. Its kinda silly that you can attack once but parry dozens of times! Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers Paul -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers --