From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sat Oct 16 00:12:26 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id AAA06167; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:12:26 +1300 Received: from ingate.uk.neceur.com (ingate.uk.neceur.com [193.116.254.1]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id AAA06164 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:12:17 +1300 Received: from internal-mail.uk.neceur.com by ingate.uk.neceur.com id lqU008w27WZux; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:10:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccmeuro-nt.uk.neceur.com by internal-mail.uk.neceur.com id uTi204w27WZWc; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:10:25 +0100 (BST) from ccmeuro-nt.uk.neceur.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) id uTi204w27WZWc for (3.3.2/3.1.31); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:10:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccMail by ccmeuro-nt.uk.neceur.com (IMA Internet Exchange 3.13) id 00022D30; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:13:51 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:12:20 +0100 Message-ID: <00022D30.C21336@uk.neceur.com> Subject: Re[2]: Re[2]: Rune 2.1 (previous attachment bad) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part From: Ross.Alexander@uk.neceur.com (Ross Alexander) To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz For Rune healing I think that the solution may be to create a seperate special knowledge ritual of Extended Healing. This would be still give Rune a healing ritual (which is what was originally wanted). I would like to keep the idea that if the spell is cast as a ritual then it will cure the target upto full FT and EN (excluding spell fatigue etc). However, I really need more people to express their view on the subject before I commit myself to any revision. Ross -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sat Oct 16 00:47:14 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id AAA06234; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:47:14 +1300 Received: from usenet.net.nz (root@usenet.net.nz [203.29.170.93]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id AAA06231 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:47:13 +1300 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by usenet.net.nz (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA06484 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:43:38 +1300 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p79-tnt1.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.111.79]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id AAA32522 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:42:36 +1300 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Re[2]: Rune 2.1 (previous attachment bad) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:43:25 +1300 Message-ID: <01bf1702$7de81b40$4f6f12ce@jimarona.ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 From: "Jim Arona" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz >For Rune healing I think that the solution may be to create a seperate >special knowledge ritual of Extended Healing. This would be still give Rune >a healing ritual (which is what was originally wanted). I would like to keep >the idea that if the spell is cast as a ritual then it will cure the target >upto full FT and EN (excluding spell fatigue etc). Well, as a ritual, I suppose it could heal up to full EN and FT loss (excluding tiredness FT). That doesn't mean it has to cure spec.griev. injuries, though, or grow back limbs, etc. There is no particular need to go down the route that has been previously suggested. On the downside, if it can do that, then there is precious little reason to rank it aside from cast chance. As a spell, cast chance and amount of healing give plenty of incentive to rank. This spell can be cast in combat, presumably, which is useful, seeing as there are only three colleges that can heal in pulse time, and this introduces a fourth. I think the addition is kind of handy. What I don't like is the way the Rune Mage is not encouraged to learn Healer. Not that a Rune Mage needs to be a Healer, but if you were a Rune Mage, would you be terribly interested in learning the skill? A few (very few) characters might learn it, but most Rune Mages would spend the ep they were going to spend on healing effects on the spell, rather than the skill. It's cheaper in ep and takes less internal game time to perform. In other words, this spell/ritual will tend to preclude some kinds of skill development. Where possible, it would be better if the player had more of an open hand in the direction they wanted to take their character. You could do something like having the ritual form increase the rate at which the subject healed, but frankly, I think this is an even worse idea. Part of the value of spec.griev. injuries is that they reduce the player's ability to deal with a situation that they could normally have dealt with quite easily. This validates base chances that are higher than 100, for example, where the character has an appallingly high chance of doing something normally, but in the present circumstance has a much reduced chance. For example a thief who is missing a hand (I wonder why) who normally has a 130% chance of climbing a wall may suffer a penalty large enough to make the climb a creditable risk. And only a character with a chance as high as that would have a sensible chance of attempting the climb. If you desperately want the spell to have some function that is similar to Healer, you could use the Rank in ritual/5 formula that the Celestial Healing spell does. The abilities that that spell offers do little to threaten the development of Rune Mage characters with Healing skills, because you are talking about, at most, a Rank 4 Healer. Useful, but there are plenty of good reasons to rank Healer. Therefore, if the Rune Mage casts this spell as a ritual, and it follows the Celestial spell's formula, it could quite easily heal all lost EN and FT that the formula would entitle it to. Mind you, the EM should still be about 200. Jim. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers --