From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 07:28:36 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id HAA11690; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:12:20 +1300 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id HAA11677 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:12:03 +1300 Received: from phaeton (p162-tnt5.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.194.162]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id HAA18555 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 07:09:34 +1300 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991108070929.0079ac50@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: phaeton@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 07:09:29 +1300 Subject: November meeting minutes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Keith Smith To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz DQ GODS MEETING MINUTES November 1999 Present: William, Mandos, Martin, Scott, Keith, Michael Parkinson, Jono, Mike Young, Jason 1) Appointment of new second - William accepted a second term, effectively becoming his own second 2) Revised Healing Potions - Tabled 3) New rulebook. It was generally agreed that it would not be possible to get this ready for a December release so it was decided to get the draft out by February for proofing and publish at the March Guild meeting. It was also asked if the Player's Guide could be ready at the same time. An unofficial GM's guide was also being assembled by Jono and would be made available over the Web. It is to be left unofficial and documents will be added to it when required. 4) Magic Resistance. - It was clarified that Magic Resistance is a stat and, as such, the stat maximum base chance rule applies. 5) Namer. - Martin reported that a draft of the revised Namer College should be out soon. It includes appendices on Names, Counterspells, and Detect Aura. 6) Mind.- The revised Mind College should be posted to the e-mail list shortly for comment. 7) Magic Balance. Jono suggested a system where spells can be tagged with special effects, such as knockback for bolt spells. Such effects could be bought at an extra EP cost (could be a percentile of the base EM) and the spell reranked. This would make characters more varied as their spells could have different effects. Spells could do less damage but affect more targets. . It was suggested that a flat EM limit be used to identify spells that are powerful and can't be enhanced. 8) Storage Attributes. The usual rules are that self only spells cannot be invested and concentration spells cannot be warded, however there are exceptions. It was concluded that the rules should be followed unless the spell designer feels it is special. 9) Star of Alusia. A formal writeup is to be developed. The suggestions were that the user does not suffer any detriments from dying, and has positive reaction rolls from other people. The Star is a medallion and has the effect that it looks better than any other jewellery. It is made out of mithral which cannot be reforged. It has an ITN so it can be summoned if lost or stolen. It may have been part of a set of royal regalia. Meeting closed. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 08:43:24 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id IAA11775; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:42:06 +1300 Received: from hermes.telebusiness.co.nz ([203.97.136.3] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id IAA11766; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:41:51 +1300 Received: by hermes.telebusiness.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4P1SW645>; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:38:48 +1300 Message-ID: <51F30BB9AB60D311B4130020AFF7E3230B1923@hermes.telebusiness.co.nz> Subject: RE: November meeting minutes Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:38:46 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: Terry Spencer To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz >4) Magic Resistance. - It was clarified that Magic Resistance is a stat >and, as such, the stat maximum base chance rule applies. Labelling this item as a clarificaton is misleading. This is not removing confusion of any sort. I have NEVER heard of anyone that believed/considered this to be true. This is a RULE CHANGE. And I would dearly like to hear from those at the Gods meeting justify that this is not. This is more than a symantic change, being a CLARIFICATION it need not go though any sort of play test or have consideration from anyone outside those present at the meeting. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 08:59:33 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id IAA11788; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:42:15 +1300 Received: from hermes.telebusiness.co.nz ([203.97.136.3] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id IAA11766; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:41:51 +1300 Received: by hermes.telebusiness.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4P1SW645>; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:38:48 +1300 Message-ID: <51F30BB9AB60D311B4130020AFF7E3230B1923@hermes.telebusiness.co.nz> Subject: RE: November meeting minutes Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:38:46 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: Terry Spencer To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz >4) Magic Resistance. - It was clarified that Magic Resistance is a stat >and, as such, the stat maximum base chance rule applies. Labelling this item as a clarificaton is misleading. This is not removing confusion of any sort. I have NEVER heard of anyone that believed/considered this to be true. This is a RULE CHANGE. And I would dearly like to hear from those at the Gods meeting justify that this is not. This is more than a symantic change, being a CLARIFICATION it need not go though any sort of play test or have consideration from anyone outside those present at the meeting. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 09:01:34 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id IAA11843; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:51:37 +1300 Received: from fclaklmr03.fcl.co.nz (mail.fcl.co.nz [203.98.14.148]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id IAA11834 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:51:29 +1300 Received: from falaklex00.falum.co.nz ([10.8.1.28]) by fclaklmr03.fcl.co.nz (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id nz for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:48:54 +1300 Received: by FALAKLEX00 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:53:19 +1300 Message-ID: <311B3C3DD32FD311B33900805F770A725FB46B@FALAKLEX00> Subject: RE: November meeting minutes Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:53:18 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BF2959.BCC7B230" From: "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF2959.BCC7B230 Content-Type: text/plain I missed the Gods meeting. I was wondering if someone could briefly summarise the discussion on why the Gods think MR is a stat check (1xWP). Was this people talking themselves into a max of 71+WP to avoid issues with counterspells? Can anyone think of another stat check with as many modifiers? The only parallels I can think of are the 1xAG for defence (though this is not a "rollable" number) and the 1xMD stat check for strike chance. I would suggest that a maximum of 71+WP is hardly a clarification, but actually a change to how all high level games work. If its a good idea/change, lets hear why, but don't hide it under the cover of clarifying. Or have I missed the point? Andrew > -----Original Message----- > DQ GODS MEETING MINUTES > November 1999 > > Present: William, Mandos, Martin, Scott, Keith, Michael Parkinson, Jono, > Mike Young, Jason > > 4) Magic Resistance. - It was clarified that Magic Resistance is a stat > and, as such, the stat maximum base chance rule applies. > ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF2959.BCC7B230 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: November meeting minutes

I missed the Gods = meeting. I was wondering if someone could briefly summarise the = discussion on why the Gods think MR is a stat check (1xWP). Was this = people talking themselves into a max of 71+WP to avoid issues with = counterspells? Can anyone think of another stat check with as many = modifiers? The only parallels I can think of are the 1xAG for defence = (though this is not a "rollable" number) and the 1xMD stat = check for strike chance.

I would suggest that = a maximum of 71+WP is hardly a clarification, but actually a change to = how all high level games work.

If its a good = idea/change, lets hear why, but don't hide it under the cover of = clarifying.

Or have I missed the = point?

Andrew

    -----Original Message-----
    DQ GODS MEETING MINUTES
    November 1999

    Present: William, Mandos, Martin, = Scott, Keith, Michael Parkinson, Jono,
    Mike Young, Jason

    4) Magic Resistance. - It was = clarified that Magic Resistance is a stat
    and, as such, the stat maximum base = chance rule applies.

------_=_NextPart_001_01BF2959.BCC7B230-- -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 09:43:50 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id JAA11933; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:32:07 +1300 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id JAA11924 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:31:59 +1300 Message-ID: <3825E0E0.43F08C03@peace.com> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 09:28:16 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: November meeting minutes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Dickson To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" wrote: > Can anyone think of another stat check with as many modifiers? No, although logically there can be one instance of a stat check with more modifiers than any other -- unless they all have exactly the same number of modifiers. > The only parallels I can think of are the 1xAG for defence (though > this is not a "rollable" number) and the 1xMD stat check for strike > chance. Arguably Def is stat based, although since it is not rolled it would not be subject to a Stat Check limit. Strike Chance is not a stat check any more than Climbing is. There is however an argument that it is a skill check (90 + Rank %) although I don't think that weapon skills were originally covered by this. The question here is: Is MR a stat based check? Going the other way, what isn't it? It isn't a primary attribute like PS or WP. It isn't a secondary (calculated stat) like FT -- the major difference being that although FT is initially set by EN it subsequently does not fluctuate with EN... it is not a skill, spell, talent, ritual, or weapon. I realise that arguing what it isn't does not prove what it is... but... MR is dynamically calculated from WP at x1 + modifiers. If it is not a stat check then what is it? (If we care to define it as a different kind of secondary stat then I would be happy to agree that the stat check limit does not apply). And if it is a stat check should it not be covered by the maximum 70% + stat + difficulty modifier rule? Cheers, Martin PS: Logically Stun Recovery (at WP x 2 + modifiers) is also a stat check and covered by the same rule. PPS: If MR is a different kind of secondary stat then Stun Recovery is much the same kind. -- _/_/ Peace Software New Zealand Ltd Email: Martin.Dickson@peace.com _/ Martin Dickson Fax : +64-9-373-0401 Analyst Phone: +64-9-373-0400 -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 10:00:28 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id JAA11976; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:51:33 +1300 Received: from fclaklmr03.fcl.co.nz (mail.fcl.co.nz [203.98.14.148]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id JAA11967 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:51:20 +1300 Received: from falaklex00.falum.co.nz ([10.8.1.28]) by fclaklmr03.fcl.co.nz (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id nz for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:48:45 +1300 Received: by FALAKLEX00 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:53:09 +1300 Message-ID: <311B3C3DD32FD311B33900805F770A725FB46E@FALAKLEX00> Subject: RE: November meeting minutes Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:53:08 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BF2962.18C15730" From: "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF2962.18C15730 Content-Type: text/plain We can argue either way whether MR is a stat check (and I've a few argument for both sides). What do we want? Do we want a max MR of 71+WP? If so, we let MR fall under stats. If not, we don't. However, it is a choice, not an "oops, we didn't realise for 18 years". Lets have a discussion on what we want for an MR maximum if this is an issue. Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Dickson [SMTP:martind@peace.com] > "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" wrote: > > > Can anyone think of another stat check with as many modifiers? > > No, although logically there can be one instance of a stat check with > more modifiers than any other -- unless they all have exactly the same > number of modifiers. > > > The only parallels I can think of are the 1xAG for defence (though > > this is not a "rollable" number) and the 1xMD stat check for strike > > chance. > > Arguably Def is stat based, although since it is not rolled it would not > be subject to a Stat Check limit. Strike Chance is not a stat check any > more than Climbing is. There is however an argument that it is a skill > check (90 + Rank %) although I don't think that weapon skills were > originally covered by this. > > The question here is: Is MR a stat based check? Going the other way, > what isn't it? It isn't a primary attribute like PS or WP. It isn't a > secondary (calculated stat) like FT -- the major difference being that > although FT is initially set by EN it subsequently does not fluctuate > with EN... it is not a skill, spell, talent, ritual, or weapon. I > realise that arguing what it isn't does not prove what it is... but... > > MR is dynamically calculated from WP at x1 + modifiers. If it is not a > stat check then what is it? (If we care to define it as a different > kind of secondary stat then I would be happy to agree that the stat > check limit does not apply). > > And if it is a stat check should it not be covered by the maximum 70% + > stat + difficulty modifier rule? > > Cheers, > Martin > > PS: Logically Stun Recovery (at WP x 2 + modifiers) is also a stat > check and covered by the same rule. > PPS: If MR is a different kind of secondary stat then Stun Recovery is > much the same kind. > > -- > > _/_/ Peace Software New Zealand Ltd Email: Martin.Dickson@peace.com > _/ Martin Dickson Fax : +64-9-373-0401 > Analyst Phone: +64-9-373-0400 > > > -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF2962.18C15730 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: November meeting minutes

We can argue either = way whether MR is a stat check (and I've a few argument for both = sides).

What do we = want?

Do we want a max MR = of 71+WP?

If so, we let MR = fall under stats.
If not, we = don't.

However, it is a = choice, not an "oops, we didn't realise for 18 years". Lets = have a discussion on what we want for an MR maximum if this is an = issue.

Andrew

    -----Original Message-----
    From:   Martin Dickson [SMTP:martind@peace.com]
    "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" = wrote:

    > Can anyone think of another stat = check with as many modifiers?

    No, although logically there can be = one instance of a stat check with
    more modifiers than any other -- = unless they all have exactly the same
    number of modifiers.

    > The only parallels I can think of = are the 1xAG for defence (though
    > this is not a = "rollable" number) and the 1xMD stat check for strike
    > chance.

    Arguably Def is stat based, although = since it is not rolled it would not
    be subject to a Stat Check = limit.  Strike Chance is not a stat check any
    more than Climbing is.  There is = however an argument that it is a skill
    check (90 + Rank %) although I don't = think that weapon skills were
    originally covered by this.

    The question here is: Is MR a stat = based check?  Going the other way,
    what isn't it?  It isn't a = primary attribute like PS or WP.  It isn't a
    secondary (calculated stat) like FT = -- the major difference being that
    although FT is initially set by EN it = subsequently does not fluctuate
    with EN... it is not a skill, spell, = talent, ritual, or weapon.  I
    realise that arguing what it isn't = does not prove what it is... but...

    MR is dynamically calculated from WP = at x1 + modifiers.  If it is not a
    stat check then what is it?  (If = we care to define it as a different
    kind of secondary stat then I would = be happy to agree that the stat
    check limit does not apply).

    And if it is a stat check should it = not be covered by the maximum 70% +
    stat + difficulty modifier = rule?

    Cheers,
             &nb= sp;  Martin

    PS:  Logically Stun Recovery (at = WP x 2 + modifiers) is also a stat
    check and covered by the same = rule.
    PPS: If MR is a different kind of = secondary stat then Stun Recovery is
    much the same kind.

    --

     _/_/  Peace Software New = Zealand Ltd   Email: Martin.Dickson@peace.com
    _/     Martin = Dickson           = ;        Fax  : = +64-9-373-0401
           = Analyst           = ;            = ;   Phone: +64-9-373-0400


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------_=_NextPart_001_01BF2962.18C15730-- -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 10:31:14 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA12077; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:26:15 +1300 Received: from qedweb.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.140] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id KAA12068 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:26:08 +1300 Received: by qntnz2.qed.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:23:02 +1300 Message-ID: Subject: Greater - variant 159... Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:23:01 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain From: Stephen Martin To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Duration & Cost: Either: 1 Season regardless of rank and 250sp per rank. Or: 1 Day (+1/Rank) (+1 / 100sp) Allow it to affect self. - Don't see any particularly good reason to keep this restriction. Effect: Increase one base chance by 1% (+1/Rank), increase all base chances in one area by 1% (+1 / 2 Full Ranks), or increase all base chances by 1% (+1 / 4 Full Ranks). The areas are: 1) Magic (Including all colleged and non-colleged talents, spells, and rituals) 2) Combat (Weapon BCs, Stun Recovery, MR) 3) General (Skills, Stat Checks) Cheers, Stephen. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 10:39:42 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA12041; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:14:22 +1300 Received: from qedweb.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.140] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id KAA12032 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:14:15 +1300 Received: by qntnz2.qed.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:11:06 +1300 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Greaters Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:11:06 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain From: Stephen Martin To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz I like the idea of having Greaters run out half way though the session, it adds a certain element of time pressure. Though having it seasonal is easier to administer. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Withy (FAL AKL) [SMTP:AndrewW@falum.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 8:29 PM > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: RE: Greaters > > I thnk you mean the intercalary days / high holidays at the end of session > . Equinox / solstice is in the middle of the session. > > Otherwise, yes. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Arona [SMTP:jimarona@ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 7:56 PM > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: Greaters > > Just make the duration 'until the next equinox or solstice', > whatever the > rank. That means that there is a point in having a low ranked one, and > gets > rid of the cowardice-inducing side-effect of having a ritual effect that > can > only be removed by the death of the character. > Jim. > > -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- > -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 10:41:47 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA12059; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:15:17 +1300 Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (mailhost.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.1.4]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id KAA12050 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:15:09 +1300 Received: from sci4 (lbr-122-42.lbrsc.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.122.42]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (8.9.2/8.9.2/8.9.2-ua) with SMTP id KAA12072 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:12:45 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: RE: Greaters Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:10:51 +1300 Message-ID: <000c01bf2964$922cef30$2a7ad882@sci4.libraryserver.lbr.auckland.ac.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 From: "Michael Parkinson" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Scott said > 1: As a GM I have no problems withi it as it is a known amount > that is found > out on thr first night. The major problem I find is that the greaters on the party are disparate and this can exaggerate the relative differences in the characters' capabilities-- and that has a direct impact on the comparative capabilities of the characters & hence the enjoyability for all the players (especially the GM). And let's face it, I'm often a GM for whom the power-level of the PCs is often not relevant. Sometimes it is not possible to "crank up" the power of the opposition; and even if you can, again that *really* reinforces the difference in PC puissance. Sometimes I have said to a player that they can take their character on this adventure, provided that they *don't* get a greater. My regrets are that: 1) I haven't said this often enough. 2) Far too frequently I can't say it, because the character has either a Rank 20 greater or else a greater which still has a month or two to run, because of the timing of their last adventure. Michael Parkinson Mathematics & Statistics Subject Librarian Science Library, University of Auckland, Private Bag 92019, AUCKLAND, N.Z. Email: m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz Phone: (09) 3737 599 x 5858 Fax: (09) 3082 304 ------------------------------------------------- Of all the sciences, astronomy is the one in which you can least experiment. ... Experimentation is a convenient is a tool, but large bodies of science have been developed without it. -- von Neumann (1955) in “The Neumann Compendium” edited by Brody & Vamos (1995) ====================================== -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 10:45:36 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA12028; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:13:57 +1300 Received: from usenet.net.nz (root@usenet.net.nz [203.29.170.93]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id KAA12019 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:13:49 +1300 Received: from hermes.telebusiness.co.nz ([203.97.136.3]) by usenet.net.nz (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA15006 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:11:21 +1300 Received: by hermes.telebusiness.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4P1SW6W2>; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:06:51 +1300 Message-ID: <51F30BB9AB60D311B4130020AFF7E3230B1926@hermes.telebusiness.co.nz> Subject: RE: November meeting minutes Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:06:50 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: Terry Spencer To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz I concur. Regardless of how the is justified this is NOT how we play it and is, I believe, a MAJOR change. Being a MAJOR change it should be treated as such, not pushed through a meeting to satisfy someones personal agenda. Terry Terry Spencer terry.spencer@sitel.com SITEL Telebusiness NZ Ltd Phone +64 9 3738919 Truth emerges more readily from error than confusion -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Withy (FAL AKL) [mailto:AndrewW@falum.co.nz] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 9:53 AM To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: RE: November meeting minutes We can argue either way whether MR is a stat check (and I've a few argument for both sides). What do we want? Do we want a max MR of 71+WP? If so, we let MR fall under stats. If not, we don't. However, it is a choice, not an "oops, we didn't realise for 18 years". Lets have a discussion on what we want for an MR maximum if this is an issue. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Martin Dickson [SMTP:martind@peace.com] "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" wrote: > Can anyone think of another stat check with as many modifiers? No, although logically there can be one instance of a stat check with more modifiers than any other -- unless they all have exactly the same number of modifiers. > The only parallels I can think of are the 1xAG for defence (though > this is not a "rollable" number) and the 1xMD stat check for strike > chance. Arguably Def is stat based, although since it is not rolled it would not be subject to a Stat Check limit. Strike Chance is not a stat check any more than Climbing is. There is however an argument that it is a skill check (90 + Rank %) although I don't think that weapon skills were originally covered by this. The question here is: Is MR a stat based check? Going the other way, what isn't it? It isn't a primary attribute like PS or WP. It isn't a secondary (calculated stat) like FT -- the major difference being that although FT is initially set by EN it subsequently does not fluctuate with EN... it is not a skill, spell, talent, ritual, or weapon. I realise that arguing what it isn't does not prove what it is... but... MR is dynamically calculated from WP at x1 + modifiers. If it is not a stat check then what is it? (If we care to define it as a different kind of secondary stat then I would be happy to agree that the stat check limit does not apply). And if it is a stat check should it not be covered by the maximum 70% + stat + difficulty modifier rule? Cheers, Martin PS: Logically Stun Recovery (at WP x 2 + modifiers) is also a stat check and covered by the same rule. PPS: If MR is a different kind of secondary stat then Stun Recovery is much the same kind. -- _/_/ Peace Software New Zealand Ltd Email: Martin.Dickson@peace.com _/ Martin Dickson Fax : +64-9-373-0401 Analyst Phone: +64-9-373-0400 -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 10:48:12 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA12157; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:39:20 +1300 Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (mailhost.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.1.4]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id KAA12144 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:39:03 +1300 Received: from sci4 (lbr-122-42.lbrsc.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.122.42]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (8.9.2/8.9.2/8.9.2-ua) with SMTP id KAA16670 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:36:35 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: RE: November meeting minutes Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:34:41 +1300 Message-ID: <000d01bf2967$e6698ab0$2a7ad882@sci4.libraryserver.lbr.auckland.ac.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF29D4.DD62D2B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 From: "Michael Parkinson" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF29D4.DD62D2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew asks: > Do we want a max MR of 71+WP? If so, we let MR fall under stats. If not, we don't. No, we don't want a max MR of 71+WP. However (following Martin's summation of the logic behind, & overlaying, the topic), those 9 of us who eventually turned up do want a MR-roll to be consistent with other stat checks. Thus you may have, say 120 MR which applies to active resistance, and makes the player feel good, etc, but when it comes actually making the MR-roll then we do want a maximum success of 71+WP, by analogy to other stat rolls. Personally I like it, although my two characters are nearly opposite in WP [6 and 26] -- but I do confess that the *major* reason I wanted to voted for the clarification was the logical simplicity & elegance of its argument; it took a few minute to realise that I also liked the consequences of the clarification. If you feel a passive MR check should be an exception, by all means propose such for the next Gods' meeting. We do have a few skill checks which are explicitly exceptions to the skill-check maximum; if there is the support from GMs, then the rule will pass. regards, Michael P. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF29D4.DD62D2B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: November meeting minutes
Andrew=20 asks:

 >  Do = we want a max=20 MR of 71+WP? If so, = we let MR fall=20 under stats. If not, = we=20 don't.

No, we=20 don't want a max MR of 71+WP.  However (following Martin's = summation of the=20 logic behind, & overlaying, the topic), those 9 of us who eventually = turned=20 up do want a MR-roll to be consistent with other stat = checks.

Thus you may have, say 120 MR which applies to = active=20 resistance, and makes the player feel good, etc, but when it comes = actually=20 making the MR-roll then we do want a maximum success of 71+WP, by = analogy to=20 other stat rolls.

Personally I like it, although my two characters are nearly = opposite in=20 WP [6 and 26] -- but I do confess that the *major* reason I wanted to = voted for=20 the clarification was the logical simplicity & elegance of its=20 argument;  it took a few minute to realise that I also liked the=20 consequences of the clarification.

 

If you=20 feel a passive MR check should be an exception, by all means propose = such for=20 the next Gods' meeting.  We do have a few skill checks which are = explicitly=20 exceptions to the skill-check maximum; if there is the support from GMs, = then=20 the rule will pass. 

 

regards, Michael=20 P.

------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF29D4.DD62D2B0-- -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 10:51:32 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA12175; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:39:58 +1300 Received: from akl-notes.aj.co.nz (ns.aj.co.nz [202.27.194.165]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id KAA12161 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:39:36 +1300 Subject: New Healing Potion Announcement & Write Up X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0 (Intl) 30 March 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:32:01 +1300 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on akl-notes.aj.co.nz/AJNzl/NZ(Release 5.0.1b (Intl)|30 September 1999) at 08/11/99 10:32:36 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_mixed 00763396CC256822_=" From: RMansfield@aj.co.nz To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz --=_mixed 00763396CC256822_= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0076339BCC256822_=" --=_alternative 0076339BCC256822_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As agreed in the July Gods meeting here is the new Healing Potion write up = and word doc with the announcement for the SG Times and pretty write up=20 for GM's Official Description ***** Jessica's Healing Draught This draught will heal D10 points of damage, EN first then wrapping to FT. It will only last for one season. It is provided in one of two container types: Fragile: this allows the Dose to be drunk in 5 seconds but is prone to=20 breakage Sturdy: this is unlikely to break accidentally, but takes 10 seconds to=20 drink. Price: 200 SP Weight (incl. Container): 4 oz (1/4 lb) Expiry Date: (1 season) ***** Sorry we were supposed to have finalised this by the September Guild=20 meeting but it got forgotton. Rosemary --=_alternative 0076339BCC256822_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As agreed in the July Gods meeting h= ere is the new Healing Potion write up and word doc with the announcement f= or the SG Times and pretty write up for GM's

Official Description
*****
Jessica's Healing Draught
This draught will heal D10 points of= damage, EN first then wrapping to FT.
It will only last for one season.
It is provided in one of two contain= er types:
Fragile: this allows the Dose to be = drunk in 5 seconds but is prone to breakage
Sturdy: this is unlikely to break ac= cidentally, but takes 10 seconds to drink.

Price: 200 SP
Weight (incl. Container): 4 oz (1/4 = lb)
Expiry Date:       &n= bsp;(1 season)
*****
Sorry we were supposed to have final= ised this by the September Guild meeting but it got forgotton.
Rosemary

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Nov 1999 10:40:17 +1300 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991108104005.007bac30@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: phaeton@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:40:05 +1300 Subject: Re: Greater - variant 159... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Keith Smith To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz >Allow it to affect self. - Don't see any particularly good reason to keep >this restriction. If this suggestion is adopted then should the similsr restriction on Lesser Enchantments be also dropped? Keith (phaeton@ihug.co.nz) -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 11:02:26 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA12296; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:56:22 +1300 Received: from akl-notes.aj.co.nz (ns.aj.co.nz [202.27.194.165]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id KAA12287 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:56:13 +1300 Subject: Re: Greater - variant 159... X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0 (Intl) 30 March 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:48:39 +1300 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on akl-notes.aj.co.nz/AJNzl/NZ(Release 5.0.1b (Intl)|30 September 1999) at 08/11/99 10:49:13, Serialize complete at 08/11/99 10:49:13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0077B93FCC256822_=" From: RMansfield@aj.co.nz To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0077B93FCC256822_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I like this better than most suggestions. I would, however like to see MR moved to 3) as this evens up the three options. Rosemary Stephen Martin Sent by: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz 08/11/1999 23:23 Please respond to dq To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz cc: Subject: Greater - variant 159... Duration & Cost: Either: 1 Season regardless of rank and 250sp per rank. Or: 1 Day (+1/Rank) (+1 / 100sp) Allow it to affect self. - Don't see any particularly good reason to keep this restriction. Effect: Increase one base chance by 1% (+1/Rank), increase all base chances in one area by 1% (+1 / 2 Full Ranks), or increase all base chances by 1% (+1 / 4 Full Ranks). The areas are: 1) Magic (Including all colleged and non-colleged talents, spells, and rituals) 2) Combat (Weapon BCs, Stun Recovery, MR) 3) General (Skills, Stat Checks) Cheers, Stephen. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- --=_alternative 0077B93FCC256822_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I like this better than most suggestions.

I would, however like to see MR moved to 3) as this evens up the three options.

Rosemary



Stephen Martin <stephenm@qed.co.nz>
Sent by: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz

08/11/1999 23:23
Please respond to dq

       
        To:        dq@dq.sf.org.nz
        cc:        
        Subject:        Greater - variant 159...



Duration & Cost:
 Either:  1 Season regardless of rank and 250sp per rank.
 Or:  1 Day (+1/Rank) (+1 / 100sp)
Allow it to affect self. - Don't see any particularly good reason to keep
this restriction.
Effect: Increase one base chance by 1% (+1/Rank), increase all base chances
in one area by 1% (+1 / 2 Full Ranks), or increase all base chances by 1%
(+1 / 4 Full Ranks).
The areas are:
1) Magic (Including all colleged and non-colleged talents, spells, and
rituals)
2) Combat (Weapon BCs, Stun Recovery, MR)
3) General (Skills, Stat Checks)

Cheers, Stephen.
-- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers --

--=_alternative 0077B93FCC256822_=-- -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 11:14:05 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id LAA12353; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:07:13 +1300 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id LAA12344 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:07:05 +1300 Message-ID: <3825F728.AF692202@peace.com> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 11:03:20 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: MR as Stat Check [was Re: November meeting minutes] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Dickson To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Terry Spencer wrote: > I concur. Regardless of how the is justified this is NOT how we play it and > is, I believe, a MAJOR change. Being a MAJOR change it should be treated as > such, not pushed through a meeting to satisfy someones personal agenda. A major change? To assert that MR is a stat check and should follow the rules for one? We should have workshops and sub-committees and drafts and revisions? One could argue that a desire to tie something this minor up in bureaucratic red tape must surely be "to satisfy someone's personal agenda". And no, I don't know whether you have an agenda about this -- but you are making a damn big assumption that this was "pushed through" to satisfy one either. Surely this is at most a fast track item. It is a single, well defined change, whose implications are fully understood. As such it can be brought up an voted upon by a GM's meeting. Regards, Martin -- _/_/ Peace Software New Zealand Ltd Email: Martin.Dickson@peace.com _/ Martin Dickson Fax : +64-9-373-0401 Analyst Phone: +64-9-373-0400 -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 11:15:58 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id LAA12369; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:10:51 +1300 Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (mailhost.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.1.4]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id LAA12360 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:10:39 +1300 Received: from sci4 (lbr-122-42.lbrsc.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.122.42]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (8.9.2/8.9.2/8.9.2-ua) with SMTP id LAA22179 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:08:16 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: RE: November meeting minutes Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:06:22 +1300 Message-ID: <000201bf296c$53b83090$2a7ad882@sci4.libraryserver.lbr.auckland.ac.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 From: "Michael Parkinson" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz To correct a MAJOR error: It has just been stated on this list > I concur. Regardless of how the is justified this is NOT how we play it and > is, I believe, a MAJOR change. Being a MAJOR change it should be treated as > such, not pushed through a meeting to satisfy someones personal agenda. If you'd bothered to turn up, then you could have queried whether someone was "pushed through" [sic] something "to satisfy someone[']s personal agenda" [sic]. If you're not there then please do NOT make unfounded and wild claims. I do understand that some people may be unable to make a specific Gods' meeting -- indeed it was good to have Mandos' contributions, esp. since he is often unable to make the meeting through work commitments. I strongly suggest that someone unable to attend should enquire tactfully about circumstances or the nature of a discussion before making such an offensive statement. I was at the meeting [although I didn't want to be], and I did NOT get the impression that something was "pushed" through, nor that it was satisfying "someone's personal agenda." I thought we had a rational discussion that had a clear consensus, and that this was how we voted, all as the secretary has recorded and promptly published. Perhaps if you'd been there Terry you could have exposed the person with the personal agenda; Or was I too obtuse to realise that there was a conspiracy by the majority of the other GMs there? -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 11:30:06 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id LAA12388; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:13:20 +1300 Received: from enterprise.iconz.co.nz (enterprise.iconz.co.nz [210.48.22.40]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id LAA12379 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:13:13 +1300 Received: (qmail 23945 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1999 22:11:09 -0000 Received: from e0.firewall.ak.iconz.net.nz (HELO schroedinger) (202.14.100.208) by enterprise.iconz.co.nz with SMTP; 7 Nov 1999 22:11:09 -0000 Subject: RE: November meeting minutes Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:09:02 +1300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Mandos D Shadowspawn Esq" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > I concur. Regardless of how the is justified this is NOT how we > play it and is, I believe, a MAJOR change. Being a MAJOR change it should be > treated as such, not pushed through a meeting to satisfy someones personal agenda. It was not "pushed through as a personal agenda" it was a realisation that something had been interpreted in a manner that may or not be correct. Discussion about the issue was conducted by those who attended the session and it was deemed that it was a clarification of an abiguous rule. The two ways I see of looking at it are : 1 MR is a willpower stat check. 2 MR is a number in it's own right generated with Willpower as a base component. Both are possibly true and have good arguments. The gods meeting has clarified the issue one way or another and we can now debate the issue from a clear position. The fact is that it will not require any changes to the rule book is the indication that it is soley a clarification. Pointless shouting an posturing over the procedures and definitions will not assist in this debate so would you like to state your case in a more rational fashion. Mandos /s -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 11:36:29 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id LAA12447; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:16:07 +1300 Received: from qedweb.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.140] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id LAA12438 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:15:55 +1300 Received: by qntnz2.qed.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:12:49 +1300 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Greater - variant 159... Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:12:48 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain From: Stephen Martin To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz I felt the combat area was too weak without it. Most characters fight with one weapon by preference, so the area bonus would be weapon + stun recovery. No-one would take the area, they would just take +21% on their favorite weapon. Having MR as part of the combat group makes it a tougher choice which option to go for. And even tougher for those indecisive fighter-mages :). I can see them coping out with a mediocre +6% on everything. > -----Original Message----- > From: RMansfield@aj.co.nz [SMTP:RMansfield@aj.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 10:49 AM > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: Greater - variant 159... > > > I like this better than most suggestions. > > I would, however like to see MR moved to 3) as this evens up the three > options. > > Rosemary > > > > > Stephen Martin > Sent by: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz > > 08/11/1999 23:23 > Please respond to dq > > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > cc: > Subject: Greater - variant 159... > > > > Duration & Cost: > Either: 1 Season regardless of rank and 250sp per rank. > Or: 1 Day (+1/Rank) (+1 / 100sp) > > Allow it to affect self. - Don't see any particularly good reason to keep > this restriction. > > Effect: Increase one base chance by 1% (+1/Rank), increase all base > chances > in one area by 1% (+1 / 2 Full Ranks), or increase all base chances by 1% > (+1 / 4 Full Ranks). > The areas are: > 1) Magic (Including all colleged and non-colleged talents, spells, and > rituals) > 2) Combat (Weapon BCs, Stun Recovery, MR) > 3) General (Skills, Stat Checks) > > > Cheers, Stephen. > > -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- > > -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 11:42:55 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id LAA12418; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:14:42 +1300 Received: from akl-notes.aj.co.nz (ns.aj.co.nz [202.27.194.165]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id LAA12409 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:14:34 +1300 Subject: Re: New Healing Potion Announcement & Write Up X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0 (Intl) 30 March 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:07:02 +1300 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on akl-notes.aj.co.nz/AJNzl/NZ(Release 5.0.1b (Intl)|30 September 1999) at 08/11/99 11:07:33, Serialize complete at 08/11/99 11:07:33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 007968BBCC256822_=" From: RMansfield@aj.co.nz To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 007968BBCC256822_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ithink is should just be a Guild Services voucher for 2000 sp. Then the character can spend it on anything, healing, taxes (my favourite), training etc. Rosemary Keith wrote: Since the price(...of a healing potion...) is now 1/10th of what it was, what should I do with the scribe note reward? Currently it is: 1) One 20pt Healing Potion (worth 2000sp) or 2) 2000sp of Guild services or 3) 2000sp cash (at accountant's discretion) I could give out a ten-pack (5 of each type) but that seems a bit much. Maybe I might just leave it as a Guild Services voucher and let the player decide how many potions to get. --=_alternative 007968BBCC256822_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Ithink is should just be a Guild Services voucher for 2000 sp.  Then the character can spend it on anything, healing, taxes (my favourite), training etc.

Rosemary


Keith wrote:
Since the price(...of a healing potion...) is now 1/10th of what it was, what should I do with the
scribe note reward?
Currently it is:
1) One 20pt Healing Potion (worth 2000sp) or
2) 2000sp of Guild services or
3) 2000sp cash (at accountant's discretion)
I could give out a ten-pack (5 of each type) but that seems a bit much.
Maybe I might just leave it as a Guild Services voucher and let the player
decide how many potions to get. --=_alternative 007968BBCC256822_=-- -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 12:15:03 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id MAA12568; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:04:58 +1300 Received: from qedweb.qed.co.nz ([203.97.23.140] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id MAA12559 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:04:49 +1300 Received: by qntnz2.qed.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:01:41 +1300 Message-ID: Subject: Scribe Note Reward! Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:01:41 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain From: Stephen Martin To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Inflation has an incidious way of sneaking up on you... last I looked healing potions were 500/1,000sp for 10/20pt potions respectively. And the reward for scribe notes was 1,000sp in guild services (healing potions being one of those). > -----Original Message----- > From: RMansfield@aj.co.nz [SMTP:RMansfield@aj.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 11:07 AM > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: New Healing Potion Announcement & Write Up > > > Ithink is should just be a Guild Services voucher for 2000 sp. Then the > character can spend it on anything, healing, taxes (my favourite), > training etc. > > Rosemary > > > Keith wrote: > Since the price(...of a healing potion...) is now 1/10th of what it was, > what should I do with the > scribe note reward? > > Currently it is: > 1) One 20pt Healing Potion (worth 2000sp) or > 2) 2000sp of Guild services or > 3) 2000sp cash (at accountant's discretion) > > I could give out a ten-pack (5 of each type) but that seems a bit much. > Maybe I might just leave it as a Guild Services voucher and let the player > decide how many potions to get. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 14:14:12 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id NAA12917; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:53:49 +1300 Received: from fclaklmr03.fcl.co.nz (mail.fcl.co.nz [203.98.14.148]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id NAA12908 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:53:38 +1300 Received: from falaklex00.falum.co.nz ([10.8.1.28]) by fclaklmr03.fcl.co.nz (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id nz for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:50:57 +1300 Received: by FALAKLEX00 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:55:17 +1300 Message-ID: <311B3C3DD32FD311B33900805F770A725FB475@FALAKLEX00> Subject: RE: New Healing Potion Announcement & Write Up Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:55:16 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BF2983.EC321DF0" From: "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF2983.EC321DF0 Content-Type: text/plain I thought the reward was 1 20 pt healing potion (1,000sp) or 1000sp services. When did 20pt potions go to 2,000sp? Maybe I'm just confused? Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: RMansfield@aj.co.nz [SMTP:RMansfield@aj.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 11:07 AM > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: New Healing Potion Announcement & Write Up > > > Ithink is should just be a Guild Services voucher for 2000 sp. Then the > character can spend it on anything, healing, taxes (my favourite), > training etc. > > Rosemary > > > Keith wrote: > Since the price(...of a healing potion...) is now 1/10th of what it was, > what should I do with the > scribe note reward? > > Currently it is: > 1) One 20pt Healing Potion (worth 2000sp) or > 2) 2000sp of Guild services or > 3) 2000sp cash (at accountant's discretion) > > I could give out a ten-pack (5 of each type) but that seems a bit much. > Maybe I might just leave it as a Guild Services voucher and let the player > decide how many potions to get. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF2983.EC321DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: New Healing Potion Announcement & Write Up

I thought the reward = was 1 20 pt healing potion (1,000sp) or 1000sp services.
When did 20pt = potions go to 2,000sp?

Maybe I'm just = confused?

Andrew

    -----Original Message-----
    From:   RMansfield@aj.co.nz = [SMTP:RMansfield@aj.co.nz]
    Sent:   Monday, November 08, 1999 11:07 AM
    To:     dq@dq.sf.org.nz
    Subject:       = Re: New Healing Potion Announcement = & Write Up


    Ithink is should just be a Guild = Services voucher for 2000 sp. =A0Then the character can spend it on = anything, healing, taxes (my favourite), training etc.

    Rosemary


    Keith wrote:
    Since the price(...of a = healing potion...) is now 1/10th of what it was, what should I do with = the
    scribe note reward?

    Currently it is:
    1) One 20pt Healing Potion (worth 2000sp) or
    2) 2000sp of Guild services or
    3) 2000sp cash (at accountant's discretion)

    I could give out a ten-pack (5 of = each type) but that seems a bit much.
    Maybe I might just leave it as a Guild Services voucher and let the = player
    decide how many potions to get.

------_=_NextPart_001_01BF2983.EC321DF0-- -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 13:59:41 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id NAA12933; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:55:38 +1300 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id NAA12924 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:55:31 +1300 Received: from phaeton (p162-tnt5.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.194.162]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id NAA18117 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:53:04 +1300 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991108131906.007bcb10@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: phaeton@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:19:06 +1300 Subject: Re: Scribe Note Reward! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Keith Smith To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz >Inflation has an incidious way of sneaking up on you... last I looked >healing potions were 500/1,000sp for 10/20pt potions respectively. And the >reward for scribe notes was 1,000sp in guild services (healing potions being >one of those). Hmmm. It was supposed to be the same value as a twenty pointer potion. I just checked the old players handbook again and, all I can say is 'Ooops!'. Fortunately, I just checked my form and it says 1000sp. I can only blame my aging memory :-) Keith (phaeton@ihug.co.nz) -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 15:29:14 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id PAA13046; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:23:22 +1300 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id PAA13036 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:23:06 +1300 Received: from phaeton (p162-tnt5.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.194.162]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id PAA01474 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:20:35 +1300 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991108152016.007bcd80@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: phaeton@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 15:20:16 +1300 Subject: RE: New Healing Potion Announcement & Write Up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Keith Smith To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > I thought the reward was 1 20 pt healing potion (1,000sp) or 1000sp >services. >When did 20pt potions go to 2,000sp? Maybe I'm just confused? Andrew No. I am. It's 1000 on the form and in the handbook. For some reason I thought it was 2000 (probably thinking of 20 at the time). My apologies for the confusion. Keith (phaeton@ihug.co.nz) -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 15:48:16 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id PAA13098; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:33:45 +1300 Received: from enterprise.iconz.co.nz (enterprise.iconz.co.nz [210.48.22.40]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id PAA13089 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:33:38 +1300 Received: (qmail 18955 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1999 02:31:28 -0000 Received: from e0.firewall.ak.iconz.net.nz (HELO schroedinger) (202.14.100.208) by enterprise.iconz.co.nz with SMTP; 8 Nov 1999 02:31:28 -0000 Subject: RE: New Healing Potion Announcement & Write Up Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:29:21 +1300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF29FE.0750C8B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Mandos D Shadowspawn Esq" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF29FE.0750C8B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Currently it is: 1) One 20pt Healing Potion (worth 2000sp) or 2) 2000sp of Guild services or 3) 2000sp cash (at accountant's discretion) As a small point, is option three a straight cash option but you get taxed on it so you lose 10% if you choose cash :-) At least it was when I last got scribe bonus's but that was about 9 years ago :-) Mandos /s ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF29FE.0750C8B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Currently it=20 is:
1) One 20pt Healing Potion (worth 2000sp) or
2) 2000sp of = Guild=20 services or
3) 2000sp cash (at accountant's = discretion)

 As=20 a small point, is option three a straight cash option but you get taxed = on it so=20 you lose 10% if you choose cash :-)
At least it was when = I last got=20 scribe bonus's but that was about 9 years ago = :-)
 
Mandos
/s
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF29FE.0750C8B0-- -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 16:03:03 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id PAA13149; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:55:47 +1300 Received: from peace.com (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id PAA13140 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:55:39 +1300 Message-ID: <38263AC0.E5B3C25C@peace.com> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 15:51:44 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Greaters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Dickson To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" wrote: > Permanent Rank 20 greaters are common - I have come to expect 2-3 PCs > with Rank 20 greaters on the low-medium games I run. I just need to > kill more PCs. Yeah, but with Rank 20 greaters on the pesky little things are so much harder to stomp. :) -- _/_/ Peace Software New Zealand Ltd Email: Martin.Dickson@peace.com _/ Martin Dickson Fax : +64-9-373-0401 Analyst Phone: +64-9-373-0400 -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 17:14:09 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id RAA13272; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:09:57 +1300 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id RAA13263 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:09:48 +1300 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p281-tnt8.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.139.41]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id RAA19925 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:07:16 +1300 Subject: Re: Greater - variant 159... Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:06:36 +1300 Message-ID: <01bf299e$a71f9660$298b6dcb@jimarona.ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 From: "Jim Arona" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Stephen wrote: >I felt the combat area was too weak without it. Most characters fight with >one weapon by preference, so the area bonus would be weapon + stun recovery. >No-one would take the area, they would just take +21% on their favorite >weapon. Let the E&E cast Enchantment directly onto their weapon of choice, then. It shouldn't stack with other Enchantments, but will stack with other strike chance enhancements, and doesn't count as being an Enchantment on the wielder of the weapon, either. Jim. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue Nov 9 17:31:11 1999 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id RAA13298; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:13:37 +1300 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id RAA13287 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:13:30 +1300 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p281-tnt8.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.139.41]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id RAA20538 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:10:58 +1300 Subject: Re: Greaters Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:10:20 +1300 Message-ID: <01bf299f$2bf0bf40$298b6dcb@jimarona.ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 From: "Jim Arona" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a message to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz >> Permanent Rank 20 greaters are common - I have come to expect 2-3 PCs >> with Rank 20 greaters on the low-medium games I run. I just need to >> kill more PCs. > >Yeah, but with Rank 20 greaters on the pesky little things are so much >harder to stomp. :) It's not usually hard to kill any player character, however Enchanted they are...The tricky part is doing it surgically enough that you don't wipe out the population of an island continent in the process... Jim. -- see unsubscribe instructions in message headers --