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What happened to the rules about potentially losing spell ranks when you
lose endurance due to backfire effects?

Like many other neat rules they seem to have disappeared.

Mandos
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I think you are confused with the MA requirement rule. 

6.10 Colleges of Magic / Knowledge section / paragraph 3 (page 30).  To 
paraphrase ...
If you loose MA during a game  (some curses do it), you will also loose 
spells under rank 6  if you no longer have the minimum MA for the college, 
starting with the lowest ranked 1st.

I've never heard of loosing spells when your Endurance goes down.

Rosemary




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What happened to the rules about potentially losing spell ranks when you
lose endurance due to backfire effects?

Like many other neat rules they seem to have disappeared.

Mandos
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<br><font size=3 face="sans-serif">I think you are confused with the MA requirement rule. &nbsp;</font>
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<br><font size=3 face="sans-serif">6.10 Colleges of Magic / Knowledge section / paragraph 3 (page 30). &nbsp;To paraphrase ...</font>
<br><font size=3 face="sans-serif">If you loose MA during a game &nbsp;(some curses do it), you will also loose spells under rank 6 &nbsp;if you no longer have the minimum MA for the college, starting with the lowest ranked 1st.</font>
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<br><font size=3 face="sans-serif">I've never heard of loosing spells when your Endurance goes down.</font>
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<br><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Sent by: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="Courier New">What happened to the rules about potentially losing spell ranks when you<br>
lose endurance due to backfire effects?<br>
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Like many other neat rules they seem to have disappeared.<br>
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Subject: RE: Endurance loss?
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  I think you are confused with the MA requirement rule.

  Nope :-)

  6.10 Colleges of Magic / Knowledge section / paragraph 3 (page 30).  To
paraphrase ...
  If you loose MA during a game  (some curses do it), you will also loose
spells under rank 6  if you no longer have the minimum MA for the college,
starting with the lowest ranked 1st.

  No not that one :-)

  I've never heard of loosing spells when your Endurance goes down.

  When an "extra fatigue" backfire leads to a Mage losing more Fatigue than
they have available the excess fatigue is taken as endurance instead. The
Mages player must make a D100 roll. If this roll is less than 10 times the
endurance loss the mage permenantly loses one rank from the spell they
backfired. This may be relearnt in the usual manner.

  This ruling was still alive and kicking in the 1996 rules but has
disappeared since.

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The rule was in DQ97 under 11.7 Backfires. I believe that it was removed as
part of the backfire table, and replaced with extra backfires as below. My
memory of the argument for this change was that random cast checks shouldn't
result in a loss of EP & Ranks.

DQ97
Fatigue Loss
When an "extra Fatigue" backfire leads to a Mage losing more Fatigue than
they have available, the excess Fatigue points are removed from Endurance
instead. The Mage's player must also make a D100 roll. If this roll is less
than 10 times the Endurance loss, the Mage permanently loses one Rank from
the spell that backfired. This may be re-learnt in the usual manner. If the
spell was unranked, it is simply forgotten and must be re-learned. Losing
Rank takes place after all other backfire results are applied. For instance,
a Mage may backfire and reverse a spell's effect on themself, as well as
taking sufficient Fatigue and Endurance loss to forget the spell. An Adept
can be stunned if forced to take more Fatigue loss than one-third their
En-durance as the result of a single backfire. All Fa-tigue and Endurance
loss is spell loss, and thus in-curable

DQ98
If the Adept has insufficient Fatigue, then they lose all remaining Fatigue
and re-roll on [the Backfire] table for each Fatigue point they were unable
to expend, with any further rolls of Fatigue loss taken as damage due to
internal injuries.


Andrew
	magically.-----Original Message-----
> From:	Mandos Mitchinson [SMTP:mandos@iconz.co.nz]
> Sent:	Tuesday, January 25, 2000 7:52 AM
> To:	dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject:	Endurance loss?
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> What happened to the rules about potentially losing spell ranks when you
> lose endurance due to backfire effects?
> 
> Like many other neat rules they seem to have disappeared.
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> Mandos
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The rule was in DQ97 =
under 11.7 Backfires. I believe that it was removed as part of the =
backfire table, and replaced with extra backfires as below. My memory =
of the argument for this change was that random cast checks shouldn't =
result in a loss of EP &amp; Ranks.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">DQ97</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Fatigue Loss</FONT></B>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">When an "extra Fatigue" =
backfire leads to a Mage losing more Fatigue than they have available, =
the excess Fatigue points are removed from Endurance instead. The =
Mage's player must also make a D100 roll. If this roll is less than 10 =
times the Endurance loss, the Mage permanently loses one Rank from the =
spell that backfired. This may be re-learnt in the usual manner. If the =
spell was unranked, it is simply forgotten and must be re-learned. =
Losing Rank takes place after all other backfire results are applied. =
For instance, a Mage may backfire and reverse a spell's effect on =
themself, as well as taking sufficient Fatigue and Endurance loss to =
forget the spell. An Adept can be stunned if forced to take more =
Fatigue loss than one-third their En-durance as the result of a single =
backfire. All Fa-tigue and Endurance loss is spell loss, and thus =
in-curable</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">DQ98</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">If the Adept has =
insufficient Fatigue, then they lose all remaining Fatigue and re-roll =
on [the Backfire] table for each Fatigue point they were unable to =
expend, with any further rolls of Fatigue loss taken as damage due to =
internal injuries.</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">What happened to the rules about =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Like many other neat rules they seem =
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Mandos Mitchinson wrote:
> 
> What happened to the rules about potentially losing spell ranks when you
> lose endurance due to backfire effects?
> 
> Like many other neat rules they seem to have disappeared.
> 
> Mandos
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They haven't so much disappearred as changed. You can now quite easily
kill yourself instead. Instead of the extra going to endurance, for each
extra point you roll another backfire, and any of that that is extra
fatigue goes to endurance, plus any affect self etc.


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on 1/25/2000 7:52, Mandos Mitchinson at mandos@iconz.co.nz wrote:

> What happened to the rules about potentially losing spell ranks when you
> lose endurance due to backfire effects?
> 
> Like many other neat rules they seem to have disappeared.

Well, the first thing that has changed is that when you backfire and lose
more fatigue than you have you don't lose endurance - yet. What you do is
roll once again on the backfire table for each extra point of fatigue. Any
more extra fatigue backfires do now go to endurance. You could die this way
- a character of mine nearly did.

Rosemary says:

>I've never heard of loosing spells when your Endurance goes down.

Well it certainly happened to me in the past. I'll have to look and see if I
can find the rule anywhere. As I recall you made a roll (can't remember
against what) and if you failed you lost a rank in the spell. If it was rank
0 you lost the spell.

Andrew writes:

> The rule was in DQ97 under 11.7 Backfires. I believe that it was removed as
> part of the backfire table, and replaced with extra backfires as below. My
> memory of the argument for this change was that random cast checks shouldn't
> result in a loss of EP & Ranks.

but instead you should be able to die, as a direct result of the backfire
(rather than indirectly as may still occur due to reverse effects and so on,
or becoming blind and flying into a mountain)?

clare



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> Well, the first thing that has changed is that when you backfire and lose
> more fatigue than you have you don't lose endurance - yet. What you do is
> roll once again on the backfire table for each extra point of fatigue. Any
> more extra fatigue backfires do now go to endurance. You could
> die this way
> - a character of mine nearly did.

Ahhh, that explains it, I have been using my own backfire table for a few
years now so had not seen the changes.

Mandos
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I would like to get a list of GM's on the web for people to see who GM's,
and the styles and beliefs the GM has. I would also like to be able to add
contact details so that it is easier for new players to get in touch with
GM's and find out information.

To do this I have set up a web page and I would like people to take a moment
of their time to send me a breif writup on themselves.

The format being

GM: Your Name

Style: How you play and the types of games you run.

Beliefs: Your personal feelings about DQ and what you like people to get out
of it.

Contact details: Whether you are contactable and the best ways to contact
you. Also whether you mind beiong contacted by people with questions.

The website is www.dragonquest.org.nz and for those who are inhterested in
the GMing assistance I have just updated some of the planning aids and have
a group NPC record sheet on there as well.

Mandos
/s





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