From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed May 31 09:13:55 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id JAA28650; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:12:07 +1200 Received: from defacto.peace.co.nz (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id JAA28646 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:11:56 +1200 Message-ID: <39342BCA.9C71D135@peace.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:59:55 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Healer & Cantrips From: Michael Woodhams To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: michael.woodhams@peace.com Jim Arona wrote: > > > I'm sure. It specifically says that that's what FT is, and I quote: > 'The Fatigue characteristic represents the number of potentially serious > wounds the character can turn into minor cuts and bruises by their adroit or > random manoeuvring in combat...' And curiously, it takes much more adroit manouvering to dodge an estoc than a dart. And you get to do it when taken by surprise from behind. I'd better stop now before I start on how it helps you dodge the ground when falling off a cliff - the old D&D standard demonstration of brokeness. I guess the price we pay for simplicity is that you can't look too hard at the rules. (It is still better than D&D in that at least the 'real' damage and the 'dodging fatigue and minor cuts and bruises' damage are separated.) > > Additionally, if FT doesn't remain constant with the character, then > tracking damage between forms becomes problematical, as well. > E.g. I am a human with 15 EN, and 20 FT, and have assumed the form of a bear > with FT=40. I take 36 points of damage, and am forced, somehow, to return to > my human form. Now, I have taken enough damage that my human form can no > longer keep me conscious. Where does this damage go? Is all damage in the > previous form lost, so that my human form would suffer no injury at all? Do > I take a proportion of it? So, for example, a bear can have 40 FT, and I > have 20, so if the bear takes 10 damage, I (in human form) take 5 damage? > Or, does the damage stay the same, but the ability of the form to withstand > the damage changes, so if the bear takes 36 points of damage, the human form > is reduced to -1 EN, and dying? I don't think this is directly relevant to the issue at hand (current FT/EN isn't carried over when you get ressurected into a new body) but is a significant problem in its own right. I have a character who changes into a leprachaun, which halves all physical stats (explicitly including FT in this instance). I'd like to be able to know in advance what will happen to me each time I change after taking damage... There are lots of other shape changers out there also with similar problems. Is there an authoratative ruling on this? > Admittedly, EN is a stat that should reasonable alter when a form changes, > but the fewer stats that do, the less advantage, and the less bookkeeping > involved in tidying up the mess. > Jim. -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed May 31 10:14:16 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA29207; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:11:39 +1200 Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id KAA29204 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:11:36 +1200 Received: from user (203-109-144-43.ihug.net [203.109.144.43]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id JAA19978 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:59:30 +1200 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:59:30 +1200 Message-Id: <200005302159.JAA19978@smtp4.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: fiona@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Amulets of Jade for Sale From: "Fiona M.M.Cole" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Thank you Turf You are a sweetie Lady Dark (And you could do with a good castigating Rowan) At 21:49 30/05/00 +1200, you wrote: >Turf said: > >>I have stood side by side Lady Dark, deep in the Dark circle, repelling the >>armies of undead and driving back the some of the foulest creature that >>Rashak can mustered. The Lady has earnt her title as hero and proven her >>high moral standing many times over. > >Have you Dissipated yourself, recently, Turf? >Rowan Velcanthus, S.C. > > > > > > >-- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- > > -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed May 31 10:15:11 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA29173; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:09:57 +1200 Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id KAA29170 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:09:52 +1200 Received: from user (203-109-144-43.ihug.net [203.109.144.43]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id JAA19696 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:57:46 +1200 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:57:46 +1200 Message-Id: <200005302157.JAA19696@smtp4.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: fiona@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Absolutely nothing to do with DQ From: "Fiona M.M.Cole" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz So if you read this and get annoyed because it's unrelated to DQ too bad. Jono and Caro are getting married this Saturday and the reception is at my place. Unfortunately it appears thunderstorms and heavy rain may also be at my place. This is therefore a plea to those of you who may possess large tents or tarps to come to our aid. As practically every adventurer can whip up a complete reception venue with indoor plumbing using only a tarpaulin and 9 grommets I don't expect this will be much of a challenge but there you go. If you can assist please contact me at fiona@ihug.co.nz and not the list which is after all for discussing DQ and not this sort of thing ta Fi -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed May 31 10:45:32 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA29374; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:33:25 +1200 Received: from kakapo.cs.auckland.ac.nz (kakapo.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.34.10]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id KAA29371 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:33:21 +1200 Received: from [130.216.108.110] (clare.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.108.110]) by kakapo.cs.auckland.ac.nz (8.8.6/8.8.6/cs-master) with ESMTP id KAA13094 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:21:15 +1200 (NZST) (sender clare@cs.auckland.ac.nz) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: clare@staffpop.cs.auckland.ac.nz Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:21:24 +1200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: Re:Absolutely nothing to do with DQ From: clare@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Clare West) To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz >So if you read this and get annoyed because it's unrelated to DQ too bad. > >Jono and Caro are getting married this Saturday and the reception is at my >place. Unfortunately it appears thunderstorms and heavy rain may also be at >my place. This is therefore a plea to those of you who may possess large >tents or tarps to come to our aid. I have one or maybe two small tarps I could bring. Also - could i have that list please? clare -- Clare West, Rm 111, Ext 8266 clare@cs.auckland.ac.nz -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed May 31 10:58:39 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id KAA29530; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:53:48 +1200 Received: from defacto.peace.co.nz (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id KAA29527 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:53:45 +1200 Message-ID: <39344035.51DCE7C1@peace.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:27:01 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Healer & Cantrips From: Martin Dickson To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Jim Arona wrote: > I'm sure. It specifically says that that's what FT is, and I quote: > 'The Fatigue characteristic represents the number of potentially serious > wounds the character can turn into minor cuts and bruises by their adroit or > random manoeuvring in combat...' I am more than happy to agree that, as you have said, that is what FT _was_, but dispute that that is what FT _is_. The current definition of FT is a bit different: "Fatigue is a measure of a character’s physical and mental fitness. The Fatigue characteristic represents the degree to which the character can exert themself before becoming exhausted, the number of minor cuts and bruises they can take before their abilities are affected, and the mental energy that can be used to cast spells. This characteristic directly reflects a character’s current level of tiredness as it is reduced temporarily with any strenuous activity and restored to normal with rest." > It's perfectly clear that the stat is supposed > to be regarded as a mental stat, or at least a stat connected with your life > force. It's irrelevant whether or not it is originally figured from EN, or > AG, or any other stat at all. I'm sorry, I don't agree. FT appears to me to be more Physical than Mental, though I do agree it has a mental component. > Ultimately, the issue is what do we want it to be, and why. > I don't care what rationalisation we use, so long as FT gets to remain a > mental stat and follows players from body to body. The problems really come > down to the various transformations. Hmmm... I don't agree with it following the life force. That said, I do agree with your rationale of why it is desirable not to give players the FT of big tanky things. On the other hand, such transformations are rare at most, and do not, IMHO, pose any real threat to overall game balance, and, yes, they are messy. Cheers, Martin -- _/_/ Peace Software New Zealand Ltd Email: Martin.Dickson@peace.com _/ Martin Dickson Fax : +64-9-373-0401 Analyst Phone: +64-9-373-0400 -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed May 31 12:28:50 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id MAA30226; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:23:32 +1200 Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id MAA30223 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:23:28 +1200 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p26-tnt1.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.111.26]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id MAA04345 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:11:19 +1200 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:09:56 +1200 Message-ID: <01bfca94$8e0dc1a0$1a6f12ce@jimarona.ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Subject: Re: Healer & Cantrips From: "Jim Arona" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > >Hmmm... I don't agree with it following the life force. That said, I do agree >with your rationale of why it is desirable not to give players the FT of big >tanky things. On the other hand, such transformations are rare at most, and do >not, IMHO, pose any real threat to overall game balance, and, yes, they are >messy. All of the shapechangers have forms that have greater FT than a human can expect to get their hands on. I don't agree. I know of several character that have shape changes that give them bucket loads of FT. Jim. -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed May 31 12:44:36 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id MAA30318; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:33:55 +1200 Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id MAA30315 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:33:52 +1200 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p26-tnt1.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.111.26]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id MAA05557 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:21:43 +1200 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:20:23 +1200 Message-ID: <01bfca96$02f0bda0$1a6f12ce@jimarona.ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Subject: Re: Amulets of Jade for Sale From: "Jim Arona" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz >Thank you Turf >You are a sweetie >Lady Dark >(And you could do with a good castigating Rowan) I'd seen the leather...I knew it wouldn't be long before you broke out the whips and chains.... Rowan Velcanthus S.C..... -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed May 31 12:46:01 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id MAA30304; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:31:45 +1200 Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id MAA30301 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:31:42 +1200 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p26-tnt1.akl.ihug.co.nz [206.18.111.26]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id MAA05325 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:19:33 +1200 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:18:12 +1200 Message-ID: <01bfca95$b50f9b60$1a6f12ce@jimarona.ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Subject: Re: Healer & Cantrips From: "Jim Arona" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Martin wrote: > >I am more than happy to agree that, as you have said, that is what FT _was_, but >dispute that that is what FT _is_. > >The current definition of FT is a bit different: > >"Fatigue is a measure of a character’s physical and mental fitness. The Fatigue >characteristic represents the degree to which the character can exert themself >before becoming exhausted, the number of minor cuts and bruises they can take >before their abilities >are affected, and the mental energy that can be used to cast spells. This >characteristic directly reflects a character’s current level of tiredness as it >is reduced temporarily with any strenuous activity and restored to normal with >rest." There is no change at all from the definition of FT. At all. Either in the hard back version that Mike has, or the more recent version. Not one skerrick of a word has been changed, as far as I can see. > >> It's perfectly clear that the stat is supposed >> to be regarded as a mental stat, or at least a stat connected with your life >> force. It's irrelevant whether or not it is originally figured from EN, or >> AG, or any other stat at all. > >I'm sorry, I don't agree. FT appears to me to be more Physical than Mental, >though I do agree it has a mental component. > It doesn't matter what the rationalisation is. It's more important to look at what it does to the game. If you make FT a physical stat, then you are encouraging people who take sissy magic users to top themselves, and get poured into the body of some tanky fighter type dude. Not that there aren't plenty of reasons for that, anyway. But, making FT a stat that's locked to a body, for whatever reason, merely increases the pressure on them to get a body that you can show off at the beach. We cannot afford to look at this sort of thing as if we were modelling the world. That is a pointless endeavour when dealing with something at the very root of the game's structure. Stats are critical to games, mostly because we make them that way. In effect, a stat is a macro skill that allows a character to do a variety of things. Let us step away from what FT is, and think about what we want it to be, and agree a rationalisation, later. Jim. -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed May 31 13:13:59 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id NAA30592; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:06:14 +1200 Received: from defacto.peace.co.nz (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id NAA30589 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:06:11 +1200 Message-ID: <39345F36.F7AE6257@peace.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:39:18 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Healer & Cantrips From: Martin Dickson To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Jim Arona wrote: > All of the shapechangers have forms that have greater FT than a human can > expect to get their hands on. I don't agree. I know of several character > that have shape changes that give them bucket loads of FT. Fair cop, I have to admit I'd forgotten about PC shapechangers when I wrote my reply. Even so, they should make up only a small percentage of the Guild population. -- _/_/ Peace Software New Zealand Ltd Email: Martin.Dickson@peace.com _/ Martin Dickson Fax : +64-9-373-0401 Analyst Phone: +64-9-373-0400 -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed May 31 13:15:14 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id NAA30534; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:04:45 +1200 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id NAA30531 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:04:42 +1200 Received: from user (203-109-144-43.ihug.net [203.109.144.43]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id MAA27921 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:52:32 +1200 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:52:32 +1200 Message-Id: <200005310052.MAA27921@smtp1.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: fiona@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Brother Rowan's Leather fetish From: "Fiona M.M.Cole" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Alas all in my sordid past now, however I understand that you are a do-it-yourself kind of cleric anyway. Lady Dark At 12:20 31/05/00 +1200, you wrote: > > >>Thank you Turf >>You are a sweetie >>Lady Dark >>(And you could do with a good castigating Rowan) > > >I'd seen the leather...I knew it wouldn't be long before you broke out the >whips and chains.... >Rowan Velcanthus S.C..... > > > >-- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- > > -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed May 31 13:28:37 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id NAA30720; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:15:47 +1200 Received: from defacto.peace.co.nz (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id NAA30717 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:15:44 +1200 Message-ID: <39346172.833EFDC5@peace.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:48:50 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Healer & Cantrips From: Martin Dickson To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Jim Arona wrote: > There is no change at all from the definition of FT. At all. Either in the > hard back version that Mike has, or the more recent version. Not one > skerrick of a word has been changed, as far as I can see. > OK, I'm confused. The definition of FT that I quoted came from the .pdf of the rulebook hosted on Mandos' site. Is this not the current in-play definition? > It doesn't matter what the rationalisation is. It's more important to look > at what it does to the game. ... > Let us step away from what FT is, and think about what we want it to be, and > agree a rationalisation, later. Agreed. I would note -- for the purposes of determining the urgency/severity of this issue, and shapechangers notwithstanding -- that I have seen very few cases of 98lb weakling mages being poured into the bodies of Schwarzenegger stature. I know of only one similar case, and in that instance the character was transfered out of a body that had once been big and tanky (and was now horribly dilapidated) and into something more whippet-like. :) Regards, Martin -- _/_/ Peace Software New Zealand Ltd Email: Martin.Dickson@peace.com _/ Martin Dickson Fax : +64-9-373-0401 Analyst Phone: +64-9-373-0400 -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed May 31 13:44:19 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id NAA30877; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:39:42 +1200 Received: from fclaklmr02.fcl.co.nz ([202.14.23.202] (may be forged)) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with SMTP id NAA30874 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:39:38 +1200 Received: from falaklex00.falum.co.nz (10.8.1.28) by fclaklmr02.fcl.co.nz Wednesday, May 31, 2000 13:23:36 Message-ID: Received: by falaklex00.fcl.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:27:55 +1200 Message-ID: <311B3C3DD32FD311B33900805F770A72010B1513@falaklex00.fcl.co.nz> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:27:48 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFCA9F.71A28520" Subject: The ArchBishop of Mordeaux From: "Andrew Withy (FAL AKL)" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFCA9F.71A28520 Content-Type: text/plain I'm looking for information on the ArchBishop of Mordeaux - is he a good guy, is he over-zealous, how does he deal with people following other Angels, how does he deal with heathens, etc. This is not information prior to a take-out mission, or anything low or devious - I would just be interested in as much quality player/character info as possible. Any GMs who know stuff which they think a character could find out, please send such info also. Thanks Sir Christopher / Andrew ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFCA9F.71A28520 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The ArchBishop of Mordeaux

I'm looking for information on the = ArchBishop of Mordeaux - is he a good guy, is he over-zealous, how does = he deal with people following other Angels, how does he deal with = heathens, etc.

This is not information prior to a = take-out mission, or anything low or devious - I would just be = interested in as much quality player/character info as = possible.

Any GMs who know stuff which they = think a character could find out, please send such info also.

Thanks

Sir Christopher / Andrew

------_=_NextPart_001_01BFCA9F.71A28520-- -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed May 31 14:59:06 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id OAA31425; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:51:38 +1200 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id OAA31422 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:51:35 +1200 Received: from user (203-109-144-43.ihug.net [203.109.144.43]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id OAA08386 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:39:22 +1200 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:39:22 +1200 Message-Id: <200005310239.OAA08386@smtp1.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: fiona@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: The ArchBishop of Mordeaux From: "Fiona M.M.Cole" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz I think he's just lovely, so understanding (When played by Jono as GM, Martin's version is considerably less fun at a party) Lady Dark At 13:27 31/05/00 +1200, you wrote: >I'm looking for information on the ArchBishop of Mordeaux - is he a good >guy, is he over-zealous, how does he deal with people following other >Angels, how does he deal with heathens, etc. > >This is not information prior to a take-out mission, or anything low or >devious - I would just be interested in as much quality player/character >info as possible. > >Any GMs who know stuff which they think a character could find out, please >send such info also. > >Thanks > >Sir Christopher / Andrew > > > > > >The ArchBishop of Mordeaux > > > >

I'm looking for information on the ArchBishop of Mordeaux - is he a good guy, is he over-zealous, how does he deal with people following other Angels, how does he deal with heathens, etc.

> >

This is not information prior to a take-out mission, or anything low or devious - I would just be interested in as much quality player/character info as possible.

> >

Any GMs who know stuff which they think a character could find out, please send such info also. >

> >

Thanks >

> >

Sir Christopher / Andrew >

> > > -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed May 31 17:29:19 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id RAA32525; Wed, 31 May 2000 17:22:31 +1200 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id RAA32522 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 17:22:28 +1200 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p83-tnt2.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.245.83]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id RAA27696 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 17:10:12 +1200 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:08:54 +1200 Message-ID: <01bfcabe$51f0dd40$53f56dcb@jimarona.ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Subject: Re: Brother Rowan's Leather fetish From: "Jim Arona" To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz >Alas all in my sordid past now, however I understand that you are a >do-it-yourself kind of cleric anyway. >Lady Dark Lady Dark, meet my wife, Ranjana.... Ranjana, dear....Sic her. Rowan Velcanthus, S.C. -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed May 31 17:30:44 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id RAA32536; Wed, 31 May 2000 17:24:25 +1200 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id RAA32533 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 17:24:23 +1200 Received: from jimarona.ihug.co.nz (p83-tnt2.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.245.83]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id RAA28010 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 17:12:06 +1200 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:10:51 +1200 Message-ID: <01bfcabe$970d6e20$53f56dcb@jimarona.ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Subject: Re: Healer & Cantrips From: "Jim Arona" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Martin Dickson wrote: > >OK, I'm confused. The definition of FT that I quoted came from the .pdf of the >rulebook hosted on Mandos' site. > >Is this not the current in-play definition? As far as I know, they're all the same. > >I would note -- for the purposes of determining the urgency/severity of this >issue, and shapechangers notwithstanding -- that I have seen very few cases of >98lb weakling mages being poured into the bodies of Schwarzenegger stature. I >know of only one similar case, and in that instance the character was transfered >out of a body that had once been big and tanky (and was now horribly >dilapidated) and into something more whippet-like. :) I know of one character who had a naff body, and who was poured into a body with greater than human stats. Jim. -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Wed May 31 17:44:16 2000 Received: (from bin@localhost) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) id RAA32672; Wed, 31 May 2000 17:35:58 +1200 Received: from defacto.peace.co.nz (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by mail.sf.org.nz (8.8.6/NZSFI-19980830) with ESMTP id RAA32669 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 17:35:55 +1200 Message-ID: <39349E5E.9126528C@peace.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:08:46 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Brother Rowan's Leather fetish From: Martin Dickson To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk X-Loop: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz X-Requests: To unsubscribe from this list, or change your subscription address, send a request to dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz. To unsubscribe from all lists on this site, send a request to all-request@dq.sf.org.nz. Reply-To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz > Lady Dark, meet my wife, Ranjana.... > Ranjana, dear....Sic her. > > Rowan Velcanthus, S.C. Father Rowan's wife is a dog?! Isn't that taking the agrarian-goddess love-the-animals thing a bit too far? Maybe it's just a leather leash fetish.... On the other hand if I suddenly found myself married to Rowan I'd be "sic" too... actually if I suddenly found myself married to Rowan I think screaming followed by self immolation might be an appropriate response. - Mortimer . -- _/_/ Peace Software New Zealand Ltd Email: Martin.Dickson@peace.com _/ Martin Dickson Fax : +64-9-373-0401 Analyst Phone: +64-9-373-0400 -- to unsubscribe see http://www.kurahaupo.gen.nz/mailing-lists.html --