From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Apr 30 13:22:23 2001 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id NAA31269; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:22:17 +1200 Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id NAA31257 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:22:15 +1200 Received: from adara (203-109-201-101.nzl.ihugultra.co.nz [203.109.201.101]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id NAA23246 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:22:12 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host 203-109-201-101.nzl.ihugultra.co.nz [203.109.201.101] claimed to be adara Message-ID: <000b01c0d114$3b869240$010a0a0a@adara.ihug.co.nz> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:23:20 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-BeenThere: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: [dq] Gods' meeting - need we bother? From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ian__Wood_&_Ellen__Hume=A0&_Adara_Wood?=" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Unsubscribe-All: are we having one? if so, who is turning up ? where and when. Else, better luck next millennium Ian sub subDoWeCare(date) if (mvstrGodsMeetingThisSunday = yes) msgbox(Who is turning up? Please email the list) msgbox(Who is hosting? please email the list) Else fnInsertFinger(mvNumFingers) end sub -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Apr 30 15:20:43 2001 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id PAA31622; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:20:37 +1200 Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id PAA31610 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:20:34 +1200 Received: from work.ihug.co.nz (p93-tnt5.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.210.93]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA06034 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:20:30 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host p93-tnt5.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.210.93] claimed to be work.ihug.co.nz Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010430151439.00ac7c20@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: phaeton@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:17:53 +1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Re: [dq] Gods' meeting - need we bother? From: Keith Smith To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Unsubscribe-All: >are we having one? I think we should, even if only to clear the agenda which has been rolling over for the last few months. I'll re-prepare it tomorrow. >if so, who is turning up ? I'll be there. >where and when. Well if Mike's place is unavailable, I'm happy to host it here. Keith (phaeton@ihug.co.nz) -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Apr 30 15:25:41 2001 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id PAA31675; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:25:40 +1200 Received: from mx1.datacom.co.nz (mx1.datacom.co.nz [202.27.76.230]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id PAA31663 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:25:37 +1200 Received: from dslak12.dslak.co.nz (not verified[172.25.10.119]) by mx1.datacom.co.nz with MailMarshal (4,0,6,0) id ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:25:34 +1200 Received: by dslak12.dnznet.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:25:33 +1200 Message-ID: <47E0B9F9F429D311958600508B4AB6E903E0B8A3@dslak12.dnznet.co.nz> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:25:24 +1200 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-BeenThere: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Re: [dq] Gods' meeting - need we bother? From: "Andrew Withy (DSL AK)" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Unsubscribe-All: Has any progress been made on Namer or Ranger? Is Mind ready to be voted on? I haven't heard anything on any of these topics on the list for a while, which makes me think that there is nothing for the gods to discuss on them. Is there anything else major on the agenda? If not, we postpone again, and we might want to explicitly change our expectations to the current status quo - that a meeting can occur on the first sunday of the month if there is any business to discuss - otherwise only on the Sunday preceeding the Guild Meeting for campaign updates (not that we need a Gods meeting to vote on the above!) Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Keith Smith [mailto:phaeton@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 30 April 2001 3:18 p.m. To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Re: [dq] Gods' meeting - need we bother? >are we having one? I think we should, even if only to clear the agenda which has been rolling over for the last few months. I'll re-prepare it tomorrow. >if so, who is turning up ? I'll be there. >where and when. Well if Mike's place is unavailable, I'm happy to host it here. Keith (phaeton@ihug.co.nz) -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Apr 30 15:27:27 2001 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id PAA31693; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:27:26 +1200 Received: from mx1.datacom.co.nz (mx1.datacom.co.nz [202.27.76.230]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id PAA31687 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:27:24 +1200 Received: from dslak12.dslak.co.nz (not verified[172.25.10.119]) by mx1.datacom.co.nz with MailMarshal (4,0,6,0) id ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:27:25 +1200 Received: by dslak12.dnznet.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:27:25 +1200 Message-ID: <47E0B9F9F429D311958600508B4AB6E903E0B8A4@dslak12.dnznet.co.nz> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:27:17 +1200 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-BeenThere: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: [dq] Shrinking player pool From: "Andrew Withy (DSL AK)" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Unsubscribe-All: Some GM has been killing players instead of characters again. Over the last year or two our player pool has dropped dramatically, and we don't seem to be getting enough new blood to keep numbers up. DQ's strength is in its longevity and diversity, and without diversity we will lose the longevity. ideas? Andrew -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Apr 30 15:37:24 2001 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id PAA32294; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:37:23 +1200 Received: from mail.nz.asiaonline.net (etrn.iconz.co.nz [210.48.22.36]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id PAA32289 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:37:20 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: mae.sub.net.nz: Host etrn.iconz.co.nz [210.48.22.36] claimed to be mail.nz.asiaonline.net Received: from demosthenes (newfirewall.ak.iconz.net.nz [202.14.100.202] (may be forged)) by mail.nz.asiaonline.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA273620988601837 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:37:17 +1200 (NZST) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:38:34 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-BeenThere: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Re: [dq] Shrinking player pool From: "Mandos Mitchinson" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Unsubscribe-All: > Some GM has been killing players instead of characters again. > Over the last > year or two our player pool has dropped dramatically, and we don't seem to > be getting enough new blood to keep numbers up. DQ's strength is in its > longevity and diversity, and without diversity we will lose the longevity. > > ideas? The reason I have stopped playing and GM'ing was that the game seems to be more orientated around achieving goals and being rewarded for it rather than the social end of things. The players tended more towards the competative rather than the creation and development of characters. While I assume not everyone is leaving for the same reasons, a lack of fun and enjoyment from playing will be a factor for a number of people. Mandos /s -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Apr 30 15:45:01 2001 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id PAA32338; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:44:57 +1200 Received: from kakapo.cs.auckland.ac.nz (kakapo.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.34.10]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id PAA32326 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:44:55 +1200 Received: from clare (clare.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.108.110]) by kakapo.cs.auckland.ac.nz (8.8.6/8.8.6/cs-master) with ESMTP id PAA21458 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:44:55 +1200 (NZST) (sender clare@cs.auckland.ac.nz) Message-ID: <200104300344.PAA21458@kakapo.cs.auckland.ac.nz> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:43:51 +1200 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Re: [dq] Shrinking player pool From: Clare West To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Unsubscribe-All: On Monday, April 30, 2001, at 03:27 PM, Andrew Withy (DSL AK) wrote: > Some GM has been killing players instead of characters again. Over the > last > year or two our player pool has dropped dramatically, and we don't seem > to > be getting enough new blood to keep numbers up. DQ's strength is in its > longevity and diversity, and without diversity we will lose the > longevity. Actually I don't think there has been a GM killing players - instead the players are breeding :-) In my opinion the problem may be more to do with not getting any new blood rather than with the drop-outs. There will always be drop-outs. People change the priorities in their lives, move and so on, and GMs can't stop that happening. You can only fudge the dice on the conception rates so long. Also I think roleplaying has over the last few years gained a few competitors - like EverQuest which drops the available pool as well. So where is the new blood going? Can we divert the artery back to DQ? Should we? Maybe where they're going is better :-) clare -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Apr 30 16:35:19 2001 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id QAA00535; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:35:13 +1200 Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id QAA00523 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:35:11 +1200 Received: from adara (203-109-205-24.nzl.ihugultra.co.nz [203.109.205.24]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA16980 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:34:58 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host 203-109-205-24.nzl.ihugultra.co.nz [203.109.205.24] claimed to be adara Message-ID: <001201c0d12f$29c1aac0$010a0a0a@adara.ihug.co.nz> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:36:07 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-BeenThere: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Re: [dq] Sprinting (an aside) From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ian__Wood_&_Ellen__Hume=A0&_Adara_Wood?=" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Unsubscribe-All: can we meet this week to discuss mind? I am available most of most days - Thursday or Friday evening cheers Ian -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Apr 30 16:51:03 2001 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id QAA00627; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:51:02 +1200 Received: from qedweb.qed.co.nz (moe.qed.co.nz [203.97.23.140]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id QAA00615 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:51:00 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: mae.sub.net.nz: Host moe.qed.co.nz [203.97.23.140] claimed to be qedweb.qed.co.nz Received: by localhost with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2VYWFB3W>; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:49:09 +1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:49:08 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Re: [dq] Shrinking player pool From: Stephen Martin To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Unsubscribe-All: Can you turn this around. What would bring you back? [Answering for you] More fun and social games and players. What exactly do you mean by fun and social? What can be done to make the games you GM and play in more fun and social? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mandos Mitchinson [SMTP:mandos@nz.asiaonline.net] > Sent: Monday, 30 April 2001 15:39 > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: [dq] Shrinking player pool > > > Some GM has been killing players instead of characters again. > > Over the last > > year or two our player pool has dropped dramatically, and we don't seem > to > > be getting enough new blood to keep numbers up. DQ's strength is in its > > longevity and diversity, and without diversity we will lose the > longevity. > > > > ideas? > > The reason I have stopped playing and GM'ing was that the game seems to be > more orientated around achieving goals and being rewarded for it rather > than > the social end of things. The players tended more towards the competative > rather than the creation and development of characters. > > While I assume not everyone is leaving for the same reasons, a lack of fun > and enjoyment from playing will be a factor for a number of people. > > Mandos > /s > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Apr 30 17:02:35 2001 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id RAA00707; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:02:33 +1200 Received: from qedweb.qed.co.nz (moe.qed.co.nz [203.97.23.140]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id RAA00694 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:02:29 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: mae.sub.net.nz: Host moe.qed.co.nz [203.97.23.140] claimed to be qedweb.qed.co.nz Received: by localhost with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2VYWFBPA>; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:00:38 +1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:00:37 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Re: [dq] Shrinking player pool From: Stephen Martin To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Unsubscribe-All: In the past few years effort has been made to introduce world shaping events and large on-going story-lines. Is the general opinion that this is appreciated and adds to the game and makes it more enjoyable, or is it making it too complex and too much hard work? Many people have cited constant rules changes and aguments as the reason they stopped playing. Rules changes have been reduced to yearly (at most) and there are not enough people interested in arguing about them to form a quorum. Has this made the game better or has it just drained some of the passion out of the core GMs/players? In the pursuit of character power and accurate accountacy, has the campaign lost its soul? Talk to current and ex-players and try to find out what needs to be done to re-vitalise the campaign and peoples interest in it. Another thought of mine... is accurate, consistent mapping and available maps taking away the joy of exploring new lands? Cheers, Stephen. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Withy (DSL AK) [SMTP:AndrewW@datacom.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, 30 April 2001 15:27 > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: [dq] Shrinking player pool > > Some GM has been killing players instead of characters again. Over the > last > year or two our player pool has dropped dramatically, and we don't seem to > be getting enough new blood to keep numbers up. DQ's strength is in its > longevity and diversity, and without diversity we will lose the longevity. > > ideas? > > Andrew > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Mon Apr 30 21:31:45 2001 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id VAA01975; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:31:40 +1200 Received: from kcbbs.gen.nz (kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.1]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id VAA01963 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:31:35 +1200 Received: from bear (c3640-as51.kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.171]) by kcbbs.gen.nz (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3U9S3b28380 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:28:04 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010430210315.00793ac0@kcbbs.gen.nz> X-Sender: salient@kcbbs.gen.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:03:15 +1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Re: [dq] Shrinking player pool From: Brent Jackson To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Unsubscribe-All: To give another viewpoint of someone who has stopped playing. I have attended the last six guild meetings being willing to play one of my characters. With the exception of one meeting (*see below), there has not been any adventures that have interested my characters enough, for me to commit my time to them. Perhaps, as Clare suggests, this is because spending time with my family now has higher priority than DQ. But, that said, if the adventures were interesting and relevent for my characters I would have adventured in the last year and a half. In response to Stephen : >In the past few years effort has been made to introduce world shaping >events and large on-going story-lines. Is the general opinion that >this is appreciated and adds to the game and makes it more enjoyable, >or is it making it too complex and too much hard work? I have found the ongoing story lines to be very frustrating. This guild affecting events occur, yet the Guild, and most characters in it, do not respond to them, and wander off other places. My characters, most of whom would (realistically) get involved, cannot, because there is no feedback or GMing (apart from the odd email) except during adventures. If most adventures are not involved in the event then there is little chance in being involved, once factors such as night and level are taken into account. I think the idea for ongoing campaign events which affect the guild has some sound reasons behind it, but I think it requires a large amoutn of effort in providing GMs with the information and incentive to run appropriate adventures. I appreciate that a lot of work has been put in by some people, and I thank them for that. I do not think that the current ongoing campaign events are working effectively. Perhaps a more effective way of rounding out the campaign would be to encourage GMs to swap information more readily. Many (most ?) GMs have a corner (or continent :-) of Alusia which they regularly run adventures in. They develop a series of connected adventures, a mini-campaign if you like. It would be good if there was some way of getting more GMs involved in each of these areas, so that a wider variety of GMs and players could be involved in each one. Anyway, that's my ramblings on the subject. Two other points : 1) This thread was started by a comment that "over the last year or two our player pool has dropped dramatically". Is there more than anecdotal evidence of this ? Has shifting the meetings location had an effect - if more effort is required to attend, then there will be a reduced attendence ? Are there more players pre-signing up for adventures, so there appears to be less attendence at meetings ? 2) On at least two or three previous occasions (in the 19 years it has been running - the first Guild meeting was about June 1982) there has been a significant drop in the number of players. This may just be another cyclic downturn. Cheers, Brent. (*The other meeting there were two adventures that two of my characters wished to go on, but I was unable to go on either of them for personal reasons (Sally and I cannot play on the same night), and character reasons (the organiser of the adventure was someone that my character would never adventure with again)). At 15:43 30/04/01 +1200, Clare West wrote: > >On Monday, April 30, 2001, at 03:27 PM, Andrew Withy (DSL AK) wrote: > >> Some GM has been killing players instead of characters again. Over the >> last >> year or two our player pool has dropped dramatically, and we don't seem >> to >> be getting enough new blood to keep numbers up. DQ's strength is in its >> longevity and diversity, and without diversity we will lose the >> longevity. > >Actually I don't think there has been a GM killing players - instead the >players are breeding :-) > >In my opinion the problem may be more to do with not getting any new >blood rather than with the drop-outs. There will always be drop-outs. >People change the priorities in their lives, move and so on, and GMs >can't stop that happening. You can only fudge the dice on the conception >rates so long. > >Also I think roleplaying has over the last few years gained a few >competitors - like EverQuest which drops the available pool as well. > >So where is the new blood going? Can we divert the artery back to DQ? >Should we? Maybe where they're going is better :-) > >clare > > >-- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --