From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue May 1 08:49:49 2001 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id IAA04719; Tue, 1 May 2001 08:49:40 +1200 Received: from mail.nz.asiaonline.net (etrn.iconz.co.nz [210.48.22.36]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id IAA04707 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 08:49:37 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: mae.sub.net.nz: Host etrn.iconz.co.nz [210.48.22.36] claimed to be mail.nz.asiaonline.net Received: from demosthenes (newfirewall.ak.iconz.net.nz [202.14.100.202] (may be forged)) by mail.nz.asiaonline.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA263220988663775 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 08:49:35 +1200 (NZST) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:50:50 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-BeenThere: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Re: [dq] Shrinking player pool From: "Mandos Mitchinson" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Unsubscribe-All: > Can you turn this around. > > What would bring you back? > [Answering for you] More fun and social games and players. > > What exactly do you mean by fun and social? > > What can be done to make the games you GM and play in more fun and social? In the year before I left I saw GM's and players falling out over occourances in games. GM's recieving verbal abuse over an EP award. Players coming to games and saying they are not sure why they are bothering. It dosn't take long to get depressed by it all. Another problem is the guild became very cliquey. When one or two members in a clique left the rest have tended to stop playing as well. Other Issues are University got harder and more expensive. Thus we no longer have an influx of lazy university students with time on their hands. But enough of the causes onto the solutions. I think we need more low level adventures to help encourage people to join when new blood is around. More adventures that allow for some time to hasve some fun. The levels of seriousness in some games is depressing. While danger and tension have their high points a session or two to just play is important. After three rewrites and a couple of hours thought on this I still cannot pin down an answer. But if enough of us think about it maybe we can do something. Mandos (Who is considering a return to DQ) /s -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue May 1 11:05:19 2001 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id LAA05294; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:05:18 +1200 Received: from mta6-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta6-rme.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.19]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id LAA05282 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:05:16 +1200 Received: from paul ([210.54.115.22]) by mta6-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20010430230449.OENL1396738.mta6-rme.xtra.co.nz@paul> for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:04:49 +1200 Message-ID: <001a01c0d1c9$c8995ea0$3d00a8c0@rodnz.co.nz> Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:03:34 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-BeenThere: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: p.schmidt@xtra.co.nz Subject: Re: [dq] Shrinking player pool From: "Paul Schmidt" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Unsubscribe-All: Off-hand I'd suggest seven reasons for a shrinking player pool: In order of importance they are: 1) Loss of connection to America - America traditionally feeds new players in to DQ. DQ has always lost players but new ones have arrived. This is no longer happening. 2) Loss of the University as a meeting site - that's where DQ players and America players can meet and interact. The America players know where the venue is 3) Growing up - familes come first - and they should. 4) Cliques. If you fill your game before a meeting, why bother to announce it? Some GM's deliberately fill games and leave no openings for new players. They do this to cement what they see as their infulence in the game. So the new players think stuff this and head off elsewhere. As a matter of policy I always leave at least half my slots open to allow folks who want to play to have a chance. Additionally, new players are interesting players and new friendships are made. And social interaction is the lubrication that keeps the Guild going. These are the main reasons. I'd suggest the following are contributing factors: 5) Too many world shaking events (Dark Circle is an exception - quite well done) by GM's who don't share information as a matter of deliberate policy. These folk have their vision of Alusia and seek to impose it on everyone else. Given how screwed over Alusia has been in the last four years its a wonder anyone is still alive on the planet! That's why I run my games off-plane - so as not to screw the world for other GM's. 6) Hidebound self-intersted players. Systems need amending as people mature and our understanding of games grows. Change, even change we all think is good, is often delierately screwed by people who have a character in a particular College. This frsutrates everyone who is genuinely trying to contribute. Not all changes will be good and all must be discussed. But often opposition just occurs for the sake of maintaing a particular character's powerbase. I've even had one player/Gm admitting a change was for the better but opposing it becuase her character would lose something! 7) A lack of heroisim and morals among players. An unfortuneately large minority might as well be accountants. They never risk their characters and seek to lawyer their way to safety. The result is they are bored. Why? Becuase the heroic, the interesting or the engaging doesn't happen to their PC's. In reality they deny themselves the fun they are seeking but can't figure out why gaming has lost the zap it once held for them. The old saying that you can't make an omelete without breaking eggs could be rewritten for games "You maximise your fun when you risk engaging the story". Cheers Paul -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- From owner-dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Tue May 1 15:01:33 2001 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id PAA06514; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:01:11 +1200 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id PAA06502 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:01:09 +1200 Received: from work.ihug.co.nz (p234-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.206.234]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA11291 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:01:07 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host p234-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.206.234] claimed to be work.ihug.co.nz Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010501145626.00a9f940@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: phaeton@pop.ihug.co.nz (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 14:59:10 +1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: [dq-announce] Agenda - May 2001 From: Keith Smith To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Unsubscribe-All: Below is the brought forward agenda for the Gods meeting. DQ GODS MEETING AGENDA May 2001 Place: ??? Time: Noon Date: Sunday 6th May 2001 Chair: Clare West, deputy Errol #Rules stuff# 1) Death Aspect 2) Illusionary Fog 3) Work in progress updates Ranger Mind Namer Astrologer Rune 4) Cold Iron and Casting Amend the Cold Iron rules so that Cold Iron blocks casting as well as preparing (section 7.6 page 26). 5) Fire College Speak to Fire Creatures Add the duration of 20 mins + 10/rank 6) Add effects of Elemental Aspects (page 11) to the Cast Check Modifiers (section 7.4 page 26). Also change wording of 7.4 to make it more explicit that it's only dealing with spells, not rituals or talents (see annotation). 7) Optional Initiative Variants. #Adventure stuff# #Stuff that comes up# #Stuff off time# -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue May 1 15:21:41 2001 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id PAA06599; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:21:40 +1200 Received: from defacto.peace.co.nz (defacto.peace.co.nz [202.14.141.225]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id PAA06587 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:21:37 +1200 Message-ID: <3AEE2BB9.C896DA32@peace.com> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:21:29 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: michael.woodhams@peace.com Subject: Re: [dq] Agenda - May 2001 From: Michael Woodhams To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Unsubscribe-All: Out of curiosity, what briefly are the 'death aspect' and 'illusionary fog' items about? Slightly on a tangent - I'd like to see the 'ordinary' aspects have more game effect - currently the death and life aspected characters get all the fun (or the pain, depending on circumstances.) Something like: +/- 1 or 2% to die rolls* in your season/opposite your season (perhaps +/- 5 or 10% and midday/midnight.) +/- 2% to all cast (including talents and rituals) and resist chances for your element/its opposite. * or base chances if life/death get changed to be base chance modifiers instead of die modifiers. Pro: Increases differences between characters, makes something now almost completely ignorable (aspect) meaningful. Con: More rule changes, more die modifiers to remember, creates an in-game pressure to play certain characters at certain times of year that may conflict with the player's priorities. Other than floating this idea, I'm not intending to push it any further. Keith Smith wrote: > Below is the brought forward agenda for the Gods meeting. > > DQ GODS MEETING AGENDA > May 2001 > Place: ??? > Time: Noon > Date: Sunday 6th May 2001 > Chair: Clare West, deputy Errol > > #Rules stuff# > 1) Death Aspect > > 2) Illusionary Fog > > 3) Work in progress updates > Ranger > Mind > Namer > Astrologer > Rune > > 4) Cold Iron and Casting > Amend the Cold Iron rules so that Cold Iron blocks casting as well as > preparing (section 7.6 page 26). > > 5) Fire College Speak to Fire Creatures > Add the duration of 20 mins + 10/rank > > 6) Add effects of Elemental Aspects (page 11) to the Cast Check Modifiers > (section 7.4 page 26). Also change wording of 7.4 to make it more explicit > that it's only dealing with spells, not rituals or talents (see annotation). > > 7) Optional Initiative Variants. > > #Adventure stuff# > > #Stuff that comes up# > > #Stuff off time# > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue May 1 16:45:29 2001 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id QAA07902; Tue, 1 May 2001 16:45:27 +1200 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id QAA07889 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 16:45:25 +1200 Received: from adara (203-109-205-2.nzl.ihugultra.co.nz [203.109.205.2]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA24618 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 16:45:22 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host 203-109-205-2.nzl.ihugultra.co.nz [203.109.205.2] claimed to be adara Message-ID: <003d01c0d1f9$c8dc0c20$010a0a0a@adara.ihug.co.nz> Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 16:45:21 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-BeenThere: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Re: [dq] Shrinking player pool From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ian__Wood_&_Ellen__Hume=A0&_Adara_Wood?=" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Unsubscribe-All: It would be nice if some effort was put into running 'character quests'. I agree with comments on low adventures cheers Ian -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- From owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Tue May 1 16:45:39 2001 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id QAA07910; Tue, 1 May 2001 16:45:38 +1200 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by smtp.sig.net.nz (8.9.3/NZSFI-20000705) with ESMTP id QAA07904 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 16:45:35 +1200 Received: from adara (203-109-205-2.nzl.ihugultra.co.nz [203.109.205.2]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA24601; Tue, 1 May 2001 16:45:18 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host 203-109-205-2.nzl.ihugultra.co.nz [203.109.205.2] claimed to be adara Message-ID: <003c01c0d1f9$c699bd40$010a0a0a@adara.ihug.co.nz> Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 16:43:51 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-BeenThere: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Re: [dq] Shrinking player pool From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ian__Wood_&_Ellen__Hume=A0&_Adara_Wood?=" To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Sender: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Errors-To: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Unsubscribe-All: well written, concur with all points are solutions needed? Ian -----Original Message----- From: Paul Schmidt To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Date: Tuesday, 1 May 2001 11:05 Subject: Re: [dq] Shrinking player pool >Off-hand I'd suggest seven reasons for a shrinking player pool: In order of >importance they are: > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --