Have we resolved this yet?

I wish to email the changes to Ros.

Ian

PS - my intention was not to insult nor exclude anyone. If I wished to
insult anyone I would not have hiden behind english. <g>



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From: Ian Wood & Ellen Hume & Adara Wood <adara@ihug.co.nz>
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz <dq@dq.sf.org.nz>
Date: Monday, 25 June 2001 20:38
Subject: Re: [dq] name of E&E tk


>Getting back to the point made (as the original root of a word and its
>'dictionary meaning' is less important than how it is used currently
>[1].....
>
>I wonder if the numbers of "wrong-gender" mages (plus female fighters!?!)
at
>the Guild could be slowly having an effect on language and attitudes, at
>least in the southern Baronies (I'm sure it is rather different in more
>traditional languages).
>
>This could be manifested in a 'bit of a fuss' when the old fuddy-duddies
get
>coerced into changing anything, and the 'young upstarts' demand that any
>changes reflect the new attitudes.
>
>Cheers
>Errol
>
>[1] e.g. the 1929 definition of 'tryst' is simply "Appointed meeting,
>appointment" vs the 1988 "An agreement between lovers to meet...". refer
the
>Purple article in the SGT for a bit of fun with this.
>What is the OED entry?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sally Jackson <salient@kcbbs.gen.nz>
>To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz <dq@dq.sf.org.nz>
>Date: Monday, 25 June 2001 11:28
>Subject: Re: [dq] name of E&E tk
>
>
>>
>>>alternatives have been proposed : "Wizards Thumbs"; "Clutz Hands";
>"Wizard's
>>>Push"; "Wizards Force"
>>
>>I really dislike using "Wizard" (and for that matter "witch") in spell
>>names.  It doesn't sit right when playing a character of the opposite
sex -
>>because Wizards are still male, and witches female as far as I'm
concerned.
>>
>>Regards
>>Sally
>>
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Given the number of competent female mages in seagate
there would likely be slightly more gender neutral
common names for spells for use when in their presence
and not wishing to cause offence. As for the actual
names which a DA will bring up it really depends on
what the naming draco-daemons think of social equality
I suppose.




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psychokinesis for E&E
telekinesis for Mind 
or visa versa, they are synonyms ?


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Noel Livingston wrote:

> psychokinesis for E&E

> telekinesis for Mind
> or visa versa, they are synonyms ?

psychokinesis = (mind + movement) = moving by the power of the mind

telekinesis = (distance + movement) = moving things at a distance

Both have the downside of sounding kind of techy/sci-fi.  Telekinesis
has the slight saving grace of having been in the rules for 20 years and
people have mostly become used to it.

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Noel Livingston wrote:

> Given the number of competent female mages in seagate there would
> likely be slightly more gender neutral common names for spells for use
> when in their presence and not wishing to cause offence.

Without wishing to disagree with Sally, or dismiss her comments
regarding gendered language:

If here and now in 21stC  "Author" is preferred over "Authoress",
"Waiter" over "Waitress", "Manager" over "Manageress" and "Actor" over
"Actress" when referring to female members of those professions, _and
if_ we were to introduce gender neutrality into all DQ professional
terms, why would not Wizard/Wizardress, Sorcerer/Sorceress,
Enchanter/Enchantress, etc follow the same rules?

Cheers,
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Martin Dickson wrote:

>  _and
> if_ we were to introduce gender neutrality into all DQ professional
> terms, why would not Wizard/Wizardress, Sorcerer/Sorceress,
> Enchanter/Enchantress, etc follow the same rules?
>

I know some witches who, if you insist on calling male and female adepts by
the same word, will ensure that that word is "ribbit".


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At 18:22 27/06/01 -0700, you wrote:
>psychokinesis for E&E
>telekinesis for Mind
>or visa versa, they are synonyms ?

They are largely synonymous - but both have a distinctly psionic tone which 
I would consider to be only appropriate for Mind College. Frankly, since 
the term "wizard" has been applied to female characters since 1st edition 
D&D, I believe it has ceased to be gender-specific, at least in 
role-playing circles, and has become gender-neutral. The dictionary won't 
tell you this, but it won't give you definitions of "mage" or "mana" that 
resemble the ones we use, either.

Wizard has come to refer to a style of magic, rather than a gender. See 
your Terry Prachett and "Equal Rites". And therefore a name like "Wizard's 
Force" is probably descriptive as any. Or if you prefer, "Unseen Force".

Jacqui


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definitely use pyscho for the mind college as it describes so
aptly what most of them are

Scott

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> psychokinesis for E&E
> telekinesis for Mind
> or visa versa, they are synonyms ?
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I'd vote for "Mage force" for E&E, akin to Mage Wind, and keep mind as
"Telekinesis".

Sally

(and I won't insist we change "Wizard Eye", as a compromise :) )


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