SubjectRe: [dq] Forgotton Things
FromErrol Cavit
DateMon, 9 Jun 2003 09:55:12 +1200 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mandos D Shadowspawn Esq [mailto:mandos@allowed.to]
> 

> > Lets just leave Geas as it is.  I feel this is a change 
> being mad for
> > the sake of  making a change.
> 
> As a strong opponent of change most of time time I would 
> normally agree,
> but....
> 
> > The 2 inportant questions to be asked before making a change are
> > 1. Is there a problem? and 2. Is there likely to ever be a problem?
> 
> 1. Yes. <snip>
> 
> 2. Yes. As we hit TOS more and more people will rank Geas, 
> and it may be a
> problem that gets argued over when more people care. <snip>
>

I agree with Mandos. But WTH is TOS?
Top Out Syndrome?

Cheers
Errol


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Subject[dq] The TOS Myth (Was Forgotten...)
FromStephen Martin
DateMon, 09 Jun 2003 10:06:36 +1200
Yes TOS is the mythical Top Out Syndrome.
Apparently it happens when characters have been played for a long time and they
run out of things to spend xp on.
Based on the past 10 years of play I predict some of my characters may start
to run into TOS in about 30 years.

Some people claim to hit it earlier than that.

>> 2. Yes. As we hit TOS more and more people will rank Geas, 
>> and it may be a
>> problem that gets argued over when more people care. 
>
>I agree with Mandos. But WTH is TOS?
>Top Out Syndrome?
>
>Cheers
>Errol
>


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Subject[dq] Cost & Availability of Mind Special Spells
FromStephen Martin
DateMon, 09 Jun 2003 10:38:13 +1200
I haven't confirmed this but I heard from a player at the guild meeting that
there is not an updated list of the available special knowledge spells and their
costs since the re-write of Mind.

Has anyone reviewed this list?  
Is there a new version that has not made it out for general consumption?

BTW Who has the source documents for the players guide?


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SubjectRe: [dq] Undetectability
FromStephen Martin
DateMon, 09 Jun 2003 10:59:42 +1200
The method/justification is secondary to whether we want the college to have
an invis type spell and the game mechanic that it will operate by.
As we all know, anything can be justified with in-game terms.

There is no good reason why mind mages should have an invisibility spell except
that they traditionally have had one.  
As an aside the same could be said for the Telekinetic spells, they have no
reason to be there except that they are and always have been.  Moving things
without touching them has nothing to do with Minds except in fiction/games with
psionics.

>Seems I've seen this debate for years on and off. Anything that plays with

>the minds of others in the fashion described is probably just too friggin 

>complex.
>
>I admit I haven't followed this thread this time, but why not just get rid

>of it or change it to some weird-ass mental skill where the mind bends light

>around the subject and that fails when unconciousness occurrs?
>
>Would be easier to administer as a physical (light bend) effect.
>
>Cheers
>Chief Umpula da Corrupt


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SubjectRe: [dq] Cost & Availability of Mind Special Spells
FromRMansfield@ingnz.com
DateMon, 9 Jun 2003 11:02:43 +1200
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I have the source documents for the Players Guide.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">The last revision was ver 2.21 7/01/2002. &nbsp;However this doesn't appear to have the latest Mind spells in it.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I don't have any record of prices for the revised college, although it may have been done at the time.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I'm happy to update the Players Guide once we have prices.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Can Ian check if he has any record of new prices for MInd and forward them onto me?</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Or I can devise something along the same lines as I did for the other Colleges (this will take a couple of weeks because it requires time and sanity : - ).</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Rosemary</font>
SubjectRe: [dq] Players Guide updates (was Cost & Availability..)
FromErrol Cavit
DateMon, 9 Jun 2003 12:12:02 +1200 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=104504023-08062003>Couple 
of other tweaks if we are doing a new version anyway:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=104504023-08062003></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2><SPAN class=104504023-08062003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=104504023-08062003>Mention costs of extra Spy abilities past Rk10 in EP 
chart.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=104504023-08062003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=104504023-08062003>Curse 
Removal should have the Namer's GTN (and ITN!) with the subject added (Curse 
Removal is a college Ritual when a Namer learns it). Given I would expect the 
Namers to have Ranks in the teens at least for the main character races, do we 
want to adjust the Guild Namers ranks?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=104504023-08062003>Given 
that True Form is such a handy ritual (someone teaches it, so BC of 50%+, only 3 
hours), is some form of guidance to GMs on price and availability (other than 
generic 'Price on asking' ie GM whim) appropriate?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=104504023-08062003>Cheers</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=104504023-08062003>Errol</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=104504023-08062003>&nbsp;</SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
RMansfield@ingnz.com [mailto:RMansfield@ingnz.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 9 
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<BLOCKQUOTE 
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid"><BR><FONT 
  face=sans-serif size=2>I have the source documents for the Players 
  Guide.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>The last revision was ver 
  2.21 7/01/2002. &nbsp;However this doesn't appear to have the latest Mind 
  spells in it.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>I don't have any 
  record of prices for the revised college, although it may have been done at 
  the time.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>I'm happy to update the 
  Players Guide once we have prices.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Can 
  Ian check if he has any record of new prices for MInd and forward them onto 
  me?</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Or I can devise something along 
  the same lines as I did for the other Colleges (this will take a couple of 
  weeks because it requires time and sanity : - ).</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT 
  face=sans-serif size=2>Rosemary</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
SubjectRe: [dq] Players Guide updates (was Cost & Availability..)
FromAndrew\ Withy\ \(DSL\ AK\)
DateMon, 9 Jun 2003 12:24:17 +1200 
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  face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Errol Cavit 
  [mailto:errolc@tranzlink.co.nz] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 9 June 2003 12:12 
  p.m.<BR><B>To:</B> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Players Guide 
  updates (was Cost &amp; Availability..)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=104504023-08062003>Couple of other tweaks if we are doing a new version 
  anyway:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  class=104504023-08062003></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
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  class=104504023-08062003>Mention costs of extra Spy abilities past Rk10 in EP 
  chart.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Players Guide updates (was Cost & Availability..)
FromErrol Cavit
DateMon, 9 Jun 2003 12:39:03 +1200 
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<DIV><SPAN class=986133800-09062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Ooops. 
Slip of the mind - Playtest =/= Provisional</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Andrew Withy (DSL AK) 
  [mailto:AndrewW@datacom.co.nz]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 9 June 2003 12:24 
  p.m.<BR><B>To:</B> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Players Guide 
  updates (was Cost &amp; Availability..)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=134552300-09062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I 
  didn't think we had voted spy in? teach me for being late to the 
  gods.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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    <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT 
    face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Errol Cavit 
    [mailto:errolc@tranzlink.co.nz] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 9 June 2003 12:12 
    p.m.<BR><B>To:</B> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Players Guide 
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    class=104504023-08062003>Couple of other tweaks if we are doing a new 
    version anyway:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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    class=104504023-08062003>Mention costs of extra Spy abilities past Rk10 in 
    EP chart.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Players Guide updates (was Cost & Availability..)
FromStephen Martin
DateMon, 09 Jun 2003 12:53:30 +1200
We haven't.  I believe they have been approved in concept and put into play test
but no further.
Playtesting has been happening but I don't know if anyone is collecting/applying
feedback.  Nor whether anyone is working towards producing final versions with
BCs.

So adding it to the Players Guide is a little premature, but a good thought
for when they are completed.

>
>I didn't think we had voted spy in? teach me for being late to the gods.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Errol Cavit [mailto:errolc@tranzlink.co.nz] 
>Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 12:12 p.m.
>To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
>Subject: Re: [dq] Players Guide updates (was Cost & Availability..)
>
>
>Couple of other tweaks if we are doing a new version anyway:
> 
>Mention costs of extra Spy abilities past Rk10 in EP chart.
> 
> 
>
>
>
>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Players Guide updates (was Cost & Availability..)
FromSally Jackson
DateMon, 09 Jun 2003 13:24:31 +1200
RE Spy changes
At 12:53 9/06/03 +1200, Stephen wrote:
>We haven't.  I believe they have been approved in concept and put into
play test
>but no further.
>Playtesting has been happening but I don't know if anyone is
collecting/applying
>feedback.  Nor whether anyone is working towards producing final versions
with
>BCs.

Just thought I'd clarify that I'm not working on Spy anymore, I thought
Mandos was taking it over, since his playtest with it session before last.  
I think adding Base Chances is a good idea, but not my forte.

Regards,
Sally


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SubjectRe: [dq] Cost & Availability of Mind Special Spells
FromIan\ at\ Dawn\'s\ Haven
DateMon, 9 Jun 2003 21:55:29 +1200
er, I seem to remember that we decided not to change any spell costs.

seems reasonable...?

cheers Ian

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> I have the source documents for the Players Guide.
>
> The last revision was ver 2.21 7/01/2002.  However this doesn't appear to
> have the latest Mind spells in it.
>
> I don't have any record of prices for the revised college, although it may
> have been done at the time.
>
> I'm happy to update the Players Guide once we have prices.
> Can Ian check if he has any record of new prices for MInd and forward them
> onto me?
> Or I can devise something along the same lines as I did for the other
> Colleges (this will take a couple of weeks because it requires time and
> sanity : - ).
>
> Rosemary


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