noon and time zones,

perhaps someone with access to the world map can look at how far 7.5 degrees of longitude is near seagate. i assume of course that the sun and moon move in teh same mysterious way as in Auckland.

As Clair pointed out, most tides are gyres. Pacific ocean islands have almost no tide. nz is one gyre. North SEa tides are 3 gyres.

IIRC The mediteranean has next to no tide. We set the sea near seagate t be like the mediteranean (hence the sunken land mass to the south west) so there is no reason to beleive there is a tide in teh inner sea (or what ever it is called). Certainly 3 metres of tide would be much too large for the Med. Which makes it soo much easier for the GM. there is some small chance that one area may have larger tides, but it wont be uniform.

my vote would be to simplify everything to no tides in the inner sea, and leave it to the GM to use the NZ herald for local tide times for anywhere else.

Ian

> 
> From: Stephen Martin <stephenm@castle.pointclark.net>
> Date: 2005/03/18 Fri PM 03:49:12 GMT+13:00
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Seagate Almanac - containing the times of the rising and setting of the sun and moon
> 
> Clare Baldock said:
> >
> >> The times are based on a simplified version of real times for
> >> Auckland, modified to suit our
> >> calendar.
> >> The sun rise and set times are reasonably close (+/- 5 minutes), but  the moon times are
> >> missing a
> >> few of the variables that affect real moons but should be within 5 to  30 minutes of a "real"
> >> time.
> >
> > I see that the times seem to include the permanent 30 minutes daylight  savings we have here in
> > NZ. At the spring equinox for example rather  than the expected 6am rise and 6pm setting times
> > we have the sun rising  and setting at ~6:30am/pm. I don't know if people care to fix this, but
> > it does make noon at 12:30pm rather than 12pm
> >
> 
> I did adjust the Moon times so that Full Moons peaked at 12 rather than 12:30am because it felt
> more fantasy-ish and fitted in with Lunar aspect timing.  But I neglected to notice nor adjust the
> sun transit times, so Noon in Seagate is currently around 12:30pm.
> 
> Adjusting it so that Noon is at 12 makes it less confusing for the solar aspected amongst us and
> can be done fairly easily.  But having lived most of my life on Auckland time, moving the day back
> 30 minutes makes dawn seem too early.
> So I'll probably leave it as is unless there are strong objections.
> 
> Cheers, Stephen.
> 
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2 strong opinions is enough for me, I'll move the sun.

I have updated the PDF files, I'll update the wiki shortly.

Cheers, Stephen.

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From: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
Clare Baldock
Sent: Friday, 18 March 2005 4:24 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Seagate Almanac - containing the times of the rising
and setting of the sun and moon


> Adjusting it so that Noon is at 12 makes it less confusing for the 
> solar aspected amongst us and
> can be done fairly easily.  But having lived most of my life on 
> Auckland time, moving the day back
> 30 minutes makes dawn seem too early.
> So I'll probably leave it as is unless there are strong objections.

Well if you don't fix it then I will just have to do it myself, (cause 
noon in my world is at 12pm)

cheers,

clare


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I like tides, they make things more interesting. I think we should have
them.
Sailing on the tide, crossing the land bridge at low tide, etc are all
classic parts of adventure and fantasy stories.

The herald tide times don't quite work for us because we don't use an earth
calendar.  But the time of the moons transit and almost 12 1/2 hours later
seems a reasonable approximation for the area around Seagate.

I figure Alusian tides should be even more interesting and variable than
tides on earth, Alusia gets to factor in water mages, water elementals, sea
monsters, normal ocean currents, magical ocean currents, acts of gods, and
all the rest.
Life on and near the sea in Alusia should be an exciting and only
occasionally predictable life.

Cheers, Stephen.

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From: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz
Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2005 7:50 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Seagate Almanac - containing the times of the rising
and setting of the sun and moon


noon and time zones,

perhaps someone with access to the world map can look at how far 7.5 degrees
of longitude is near seagate. i assume of course that the sun and moon move
in teh same mysterious way as in Auckland.

As Clair pointed out, most tides are gyres. Pacific ocean islands have
almost no tide. nz is one gyre. North SEa tides are 3 gyres.

IIRC The mediteranean has next to no tide. We set the sea near seagate t be
like the mediteranean (hence the sunken land mass to the south west) so
there is no reason to beleive there is a tide in teh inner sea (or what ever
it is called). Certainly 3 metres of tide would be much too large for the
Med. Which makes it soo much easier for the GM. there is some small chance
that one area may have larger tides, but it wont be uniform.

my vote would be to simplify everything to no tides in the inner sea, and
leave it to the GM to use the NZ herald for local tide times for anywhere
else.

Ian

>
> From: Stephen Martin <stephenm@castle.pointclark.net>
> Date: 2005/03/18 Fri PM 03:49:12 GMT+13:00
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Seagate Almanac - containing the times of the rising and
setting of the sun and moon
>
> Clare Baldock said:
> >
> >> The times are based on a simplified version of real times for
> >> Auckland, modified to suit our
> >> calendar.
> >> The sun rise and set times are reasonably close (+/- 5 minutes), but
the moon times are
> >> missing a
> >> few of the variables that affect real moons but should be within 5 to
30 minutes of a "real"
> >> time.
> >
> > I see that the times seem to include the permanent 30 minutes daylight
savings we have here in
> > NZ. At the spring equinox for example rather  than the expected 6am rise
and 6pm setting times
> > we have the sun rising  and setting at ~6:30am/pm. I don't know if
people care to fix this, but
> > it does make noon at 12:30pm rather than 12pm
> >
>
> I did adjust the Moon times so that Full Moons peaked at 12 rather than
12:30am because it felt
> more fantasy-ish and fitted in with Lunar aspect timing.  But I neglected
to notice nor adjust the
> sun transit times, so Noon in Seagate is currently around 12:30pm.
>
> Adjusting it so that Noon is at 12 makes it less confusing for the solar
aspected amongst us and
> can be done fairly easily.  But having lived most of my life on Auckland
time, moving the day back
> 30 minutes makes dawn seem too early.
> So I'll probably leave it as is unless there are strong objections.
>
> Cheers, Stephen.
>
>
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I can't find any copies of the new Namer Spell List and their prices from
the guild.

Could someone send me one please.

Cheers, Stephen.


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