and the point of your almanac is?

> Life on and near the sea in Alusia should be an exciting and only
> occasionally predictable life.

as for a water elemental creating a tide-like effect, that is tantamount to expecting an earth elemental to create or remove mountain ranges. way to powerful for my tastes, and i will happily go off plane where life is easier on the gm. i don't want a water mage to threaten a city with a tsunami at king high tide, anymore than an earth mage with an earthquake (it would have happened too often in teh past and steps would have been taken).

ian

> 
> Cheers, Stephen.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
> dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz
> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2005 7:50 a.m.
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Seagate Almanac - containing the times of the rising
> and setting of the sun and moon
> 
> 
> noon and time zones,
> 
> perhaps someone with access to the world map can look at how far 7.5 degrees
> of longitude is near seagate. i assume of course that the sun and moon move
> in teh same mysterious way as in Auckland.
> 
> As Clair pointed out, most tides are gyres. Pacific ocean islands have
> almost no tide. nz is one gyre. North SEa tides are 3 gyres.
> 
> IIRC The mediteranean has next to no tide. We set the sea near seagate t be
> like the mediteranean (hence the sunken land mass to the south west) so
> there is no reason to beleive there is a tide in teh inner sea (or what ever
> it is called). Certainly 3 metres of tide would be much too large for the
> Med. Which makes it soo much easier for the GM. there is some small chance
> that one area may have larger tides, but it wont be uniform.
> 
> my vote would be to simplify everything to no tides in the inner sea, and
> leave it to the GM to use the NZ herald for local tide times for anywhere
> else.
> 
> Ian
> 
> >
> > From: Stephen Martin <stephenm@castle.pointclark.net>
> > Date: 2005/03/18 Fri PM 03:49:12 GMT+13:00
> > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> > Subject: Re: [dq] Seagate Almanac - containing the times of the rising and
> setting of the sun and moon
> >
> > Clare Baldock said:
> > >
> > >> The times are based on a simplified version of real times for
> > >> Auckland, modified to suit our
> > >> calendar.
> > >> The sun rise and set times are reasonably close (+/- 5 minutes), but
> the moon times are
> > >> missing a
> > >> few of the variables that affect real moons but should be within 5 to
> 30 minutes of a "real"
> > >> time.
> > >
> > > I see that the times seem to include the permanent 30 minutes daylight
> savings we have here in
> > > NZ. At the spring equinox for example rather  than the expected 6am rise
> and 6pm setting times
> > > we have the sun rising  and setting at ~6:30am/pm. I don't know if
> people care to fix this, but
> > > it does make noon at 12:30pm rather than 12pm
> > >
> >
> > I did adjust the Moon times so that Full Moons peaked at 12 rather than
> 12:30am because it felt
> > more fantasy-ish and fitted in with Lunar aspect timing.  But I neglected
> to notice nor adjust the
> > sun transit times, so Noon in Seagate is currently around 12:30pm.
> >
> > Adjusting it so that Noon is at 12 makes it less confusing for the solar
> aspected amongst us and
> > can be done fairly easily.  But having lived most of my life on Auckland
> time, moving the day back
> > 30 minutes makes dawn seem too early.
> > So I'll probably leave it as is unless there are strong objections.
> >
> > Cheers, Stephen.
> >
> >
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if you want to have an almanac of tides, but with added irregularity, then try a second moon.

in deed, the main thesis for your almanac could be the discovery that a 'dark moon' must be affecting our tides. and the astronomer could even predict its zenith times.

this would give you strange, but [now] predictable tides.

Ian

> 
> From: Stephen Martin <stephenm@castle.pointclark.net>
> Date: 2005/03/19 Sat PM 01:22:18 GMT+13:00
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Seagate Almanac - containing the times of the rising and setting of the sun and moon
> 
> I like tides, they make things more interesting. I think we should have
> them.
> Sailing on the tide, crossing the land bridge at low tide, etc are all
> classic parts of adventure and fantasy stories.
> 
> The herald tide times don't quite work for us because we don't use an earth
> calendar.  But the time of the moons transit and almost 12 1/2 hours later
> seems a reasonable approximation for the area around Seagate.
> 
> I figure Alusian tides should be even more interesting and variable than
> tides on earth, Alusia gets to factor in water mages, water elementals, sea
> monsters, normal ocean currents, magical ocean currents, acts of gods, and
> all the rest.
> Life on and near the sea in Alusia should be an exciting and only
> occasionally predictable life.
> 
> Cheers, Stephen.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
> dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz
> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2005 7:50 a.m.
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Seagate Almanac - containing the times of the rising
> and setting of the sun and moon
> 
> 
> noon and time zones,
> 
> perhaps someone with access to the world map can look at how far 7.5 degrees
> of longitude is near seagate. i assume of course that the sun and moon move
> in teh same mysterious way as in Auckland.
> 
> As Clair pointed out, most tides are gyres. Pacific ocean islands have
> almost no tide. nz is one gyre. North SEa tides are 3 gyres.
> 
> IIRC The mediteranean has next to no tide. We set the sea near seagate t be
> like the mediteranean (hence the sunken land mass to the south west) so
> there is no reason to beleive there is a tide in teh inner sea (or what ever
> it is called). Certainly 3 metres of tide would be much too large for the
> Med. Which makes it soo much easier for the GM. there is some small chance
> that one area may have larger tides, but it wont be uniform.
> 
> my vote would be to simplify everything to no tides in the inner sea, and
> leave it to the GM to use the NZ herald for local tide times for anywhere
> else.
> 
> Ian
> 
> >
> > From: Stephen Martin <stephenm@castle.pointclark.net>
> > Date: 2005/03/18 Fri PM 03:49:12 GMT+13:00
> > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> > Subject: Re: [dq] Seagate Almanac - containing the times of the rising and
> setting of the sun and moon
> >
> > Clare Baldock said:
> > >
> > >> The times are based on a simplified version of real times for
> > >> Auckland, modified to suit our
> > >> calendar.
> > >> The sun rise and set times are reasonably close (+/- 5 minutes), but
> the moon times are
> > >> missing a
> > >> few of the variables that affect real moons but should be within 5 to
> 30 minutes of a "real"
> > >> time.
> > >
> > > I see that the times seem to include the permanent 30 minutes daylight
> savings we have here in
> > > NZ. At the spring equinox for example rather  than the expected 6am rise
> and 6pm setting times
> > > we have the sun rising  and setting at ~6:30am/pm. I don't know if
> people care to fix this, but
> > > it does make noon at 12:30pm rather than 12pm
> > >
> >
> > I did adjust the Moon times so that Full Moons peaked at 12 rather than
> 12:30am because it felt
> > more fantasy-ish and fitted in with Lunar aspect timing.  But I neglected
> to notice nor adjust the
> > sun transit times, so Noon in Seagate is currently around 12:30pm.
> >
> > Adjusting it so that Noon is at 12 makes it less confusing for the solar
> aspected amongst us and
> > can be done fairly easily.  But having lived most of my life on Auckland
> time, moving the day back
> > 30 minutes makes dawn seem too early.
> > So I'll probably leave it as is unless there are strong objections.
> >
> > Cheers, Stephen.
> >
> >
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> >
> 
> 
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We do have a second moon, just not a very big one.
Pellaran has been above us for about 2 years now, it was created when we
threw a magic rock at the big bad who trying to eat our plane. (simplified
version)


The reason for the almanac was for sun rise and set times, then I added moon
times because they were there, then I realised that moon times were
essentially tide times as well.  So in essence I never thought about the
tide times until they happened.  The joys of the creative-plagiaristic
process.

Cheers, Stephen.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz
Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2005 9:32 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq] tides - dark moon cycles



if you want to have an almanac of tides, but with added irregularity, then
try a second moon.

in deed, the main thesis for your almanac could be the discovery that a
'dark moon' must be affecting our tides. and the astronomer could even
predict its zenith times.

this would give you strange, but [now] predictable tides.

Ian

>
> From: Stephen Martin <stephenm@castle.pointclark.net>
> Date: 2005/03/19 Sat PM 01:22:18 GMT+13:00
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Seagate Almanac - containing the times of the rising and
setting of the sun and moon
>
> I like tides, they make things more interesting. I think we should have
> them.
> Sailing on the tide, crossing the land bridge at low tide, etc are all
> classic parts of adventure and fantasy stories.
>
> The herald tide times don't quite work for us because we don't use an
earth
> calendar.  But the time of the moons transit and almost 12 1/2 hours later
> seems a reasonable approximation for the area around Seagate.
>
> I figure Alusian tides should be even more interesting and variable than
> tides on earth, Alusia gets to factor in water mages, water elementals,
sea
> monsters, normal ocean currents, magical ocean currents, acts of gods, and
> all the rest.
> Life on and near the sea in Alusia should be an exciting and only
> occasionally predictable life.
>
> Cheers, Stephen.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
> dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz
> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2005 7:50 a.m.
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Seagate Almanac - containing the times of the rising
> and setting of the sun and moon
>
>
> noon and time zones,
>
> perhaps someone with access to the world map can look at how far 7.5
degrees
> of longitude is near seagate. i assume of course that the sun and moon
move
> in teh same mysterious way as in Auckland.
>
> As Clair pointed out, most tides are gyres. Pacific ocean islands have
> almost no tide. nz is one gyre. North SEa tides are 3 gyres.
>
> IIRC The mediteranean has next to no tide. We set the sea near seagate t
be
> like the mediteranean (hence the sunken land mass to the south west) so
> there is no reason to beleive there is a tide in teh inner sea (or what
ever
> it is called). Certainly 3 metres of tide would be much too large for the
> Med. Which makes it soo much easier for the GM. there is some small chance
> that one area may have larger tides, but it wont be uniform.
>
> my vote would be to simplify everything to no tides in the inner sea, and
> leave it to the GM to use the NZ herald for local tide times for anywhere
> else.
>
> Ian
>
> >
> > From: Stephen Martin <stephenm@castle.pointclark.net>
> > Date: 2005/03/18 Fri PM 03:49:12 GMT+13:00
> > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> > Subject: Re: [dq] Seagate Almanac - containing the times of the rising
and
> setting of the sun and moon
> >
> > Clare Baldock said:
> > >
> > >> The times are based on a simplified version of real times for
> > >> Auckland, modified to suit our
> > >> calendar.
> > >> The sun rise and set times are reasonably close (+/- 5 minutes), but
> the moon times are
> > >> missing a
> > >> few of the variables that affect real moons but should be within 5 to
> 30 minutes of a "real"
> > >> time.
> > >
> > > I see that the times seem to include the permanent 30 minutes daylight
> savings we have here in
> > > NZ. At the spring equinox for example rather  than the expected 6am
rise
> and 6pm setting times
> > > we have the sun rising  and setting at ~6:30am/pm. I don't know if
> people care to fix this, but
> > > it does make noon at 12:30pm rather than 12pm
> > >
> >
> > I did adjust the Moon times so that Full Moons peaked at 12 rather than
> 12:30am because it felt
> > more fantasy-ish and fitted in with Lunar aspect timing.  But I
neglected
> to notice nor adjust the
> > sun transit times, so Noon in Seagate is currently around 12:30pm.
> >
> > Adjusting it so that Noon is at 12 makes it less confusing for the solar
> aspected amongst us and
> > can be done fairly easily.  But having lived most of my life on Auckland
> time, moving the day back
> > 30 minutes makes dawn seem too early.
> > So I'll probably leave it as is unless there are strong objections.
> >
> > Cheers, Stephen.
> >
> >
> > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --
> >
>
>
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Re water elementals - I was thinking more on a localised scale.  Like the
cove that never has tides nor waves, because of the water elemental that got
cursed with 100-year sleep there.  Do you know how hard it is to find a
noble water elemental of the opposite gender???

I like Clare's tea cup analogy, to abuse it a bit - I like to think of
Alusia's seas and oceans as an enormous tea party where somebody spiked the
tea with potent gin and somebody else provided cookies with extra NZ green.

In theory the high tide should be at 12, but sometimes it has issues with
traffic.

And then there's the dull harbours where they have a mage current for
inbound, a mage current for outbound and a geyser for those that break the
harbour masters rules.

Cheers, Stephen.


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz
Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2005 9:27 a.m.



and the point of your almanac is?

> Life on and near the sea in Alusia should be an exciting and only
> occasionally predictable life.

as for a water elemental creating a tide-like effect, that is tantamount to
expecting an earth elemental to create or remove mountain ranges. way to
powerful for my tastes, and i will happily go off plane where life is easier
on the gm. i don't want a water mage to threaten a city with a tsunami at
king high tide, anymore than an earth mage with an earthquake (it would have
happened too often in teh past and steps would have been taken).

ian


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I am not sure if elementals on acid is a good thing to introduce into the game, but an entertaining thought never the less. 

We now we know why earth elementals move so slowly, they are permanently stoned.

And ice elementals must be on crystaline P to be that crotchety.

And water elementals just never get invited to parties - cause they don;t have any good drugs...

Ian

> 
> From: Stephen Martin <stephenm@castle.pointclark.net>
> Date: 2005/03/20 Sun PM 06:58:09 GMT+12:00
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Seagate Almanac - containing the times of the rising and setting of the sun and moon
> 
> Re water elementals - I was thinking more on a localised scale.  Like the
> cove that never has tides nor waves, because of the water elemental that got
> cursed with 100-year sleep there.  Do you know how hard it is to find a
> noble water elemental of the opposite gender???
> 
> I like Clare's tea cup analogy, to abuse it a bit - I like to think of
> Alusia's seas and oceans as an enormous tea party where somebody spiked the
> tea with potent gin and somebody else provided cookies with extra NZ green.
> 
> In theory the high tide should be at 12, but sometimes it has issues with
> traffic.
> 
> And then there's the dull harbours where they have a mage current for
> inbound, a mage current for outbound and a geyser for those that break the
> harbour masters rules.
> 
> Cheers, Stephen.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:owner-dq@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
> dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz
> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2005 9:27 a.m.
> 
> 
> 
> and the point of your almanac is?
> 
> > Life on and near the sea in Alusia should be an exciting and only
> > occasionally predictable life.
> 
> as for a water elemental creating a tide-like effect, that is tantamount to
> expecting an earth elemental to create or remove mountain ranges. way to
> powerful for my tastes, and i will happily go off plane where life is easier
> on the gm. i don't want a water mage to threaten a city with a tsunami at
> king high tide, anymore than an earth mage with an earthquake (it would have
> happened too often in teh past and steps would have been taken).
> 
> ian
> 
> 
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