SubjectRe: [dq] Reading the night sky
FromMichael Parkinson
DateTue, 28 Jun 2005 09:47:43 +1200
> Is there any history of solar astronomy in the real world? I would be
> keener on this idea if there were.

Actually Solar *astrology* would be the more to the point; and yes there is,
considering that birth-signs are asigned on the basis of where the sun is
based on where the constellations used to be.   There is no ideological
problem with Solar mages reading the night sky -- they are merely a *branch*
of the Celestial college after all ... its not a different element.  However
a variant would be more flavorsome, I agree.

Mystics and worshippers have stared at the sun for visions -- actually one
suspects that the partial blindness & afterimages were the whole point of
the thing.  Pity about the solar retinitis, solar retinopathy, etc  (Cases
are reported in the current medical literature about blindness & eye-damage
of contemporary solar worshippers).
However such behaviour is generally because they are, or were (if we wish to
avoid the post-renaissance), not magicians but in sun-related cults -- the
cults of Mithridates, for example.   If you want to DQuify this,  I would
suggest a ritual starting pre-dawn & finishing when the sun is just over the
horizon.  This seems an appropriate time for (if you'll pardon the
expression) enlightenment, without throwing out the party's schedule ...
which a noon ritual might.

regards, Michael


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SubjectRe: [dq] Reading the night sky
FromErrol Cavit
DateTue, 28 Jun 2005 10:04:44 +1200
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Parkinson [mailto:m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz]
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2005 09:48
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Reading the night sky
> 
> 
> > Is there any history of solar astronomy in the real world? 
> I would be
> > keener on this idea if there were.
> 
> Actually Solar *astrology* would be the more to the point; 
> and yes there is,
> considering that birth-signs are asigned on the basis of 
> where the sun is
> based on where the constellations used to be.   There is no 
> ideological
> problem with Solar mages reading the night sky -- they are 
> merely a *branch*
> of the Celestial college after all ... its not a different 
> element.  However
> a variant would be more flavorsome, I agree.
> 
<snip>

A good variant for Shadow Mages could be to 'read the shadows' of
appropriate material thrown on a suitable surface.

If we want to maintain a 'balance' of availability and convenience for the
different branches, the same mechanism could be used for Solar (the Solar
Mages look at the light around the shadow, just as the Dark Mages look at
the dark around the stars.)

Cheers
Errol
(plays a Shadow Mage with this GK Ritual at Rk0)

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; From: Michael Parkinson [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz">mailto:m.parkinson@auckland.a=
c.nz</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2005 09:48</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: Re: [dq] Reading the night sky</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Is there any history of solar astronomy in =
the real world? </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I would be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; keener on this idea if there were.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Actually Solar *astrology* would be the more to =
the point; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; and yes there is,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; considering that birth-signs are asigned on the =
basis of </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; where the sun is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; based on where the constellations used to =
be.&nbsp;&nbsp; There is no </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; ideological</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; problem with Solar mages reading the night sky =
-- they are </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; merely a *branch*</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; of the Celestial college after all ... its not =
a different </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; element.&nbsp; However</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; a variant would be more flavorsome, I =
agree.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&lt;snip&gt;</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>A good variant for Shadow Mages could be to 'read the =
shadows' of appropriate material thrown on a suitable surface.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If we want to maintain a 'balance' of availability =
and convenience for the different branches, the same mechanism could be =
used for Solar (the Solar Mages look at the light around the shadow, =
just as the Dark Mages look at the dark around the stars.)</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(plays a Shadow Mage with this GK Ritual at =
Rk0)</FONT>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Reading the night sky
FromClare Baldock
DateTue, 28 Jun 2005 10:17:30 +1200
On 28/06/2005, at 09:47, Michael Parkinson wrote:

>> Is there any history of solar astronomy in the real world? I would be
>> keener on this idea if there were.
>
> Actually Solar *astrology* would be the more to the point;

oops - yes indeed - that is that I meant.

> and yes there is,
> considering that birth-signs are asigned on the basis of where the sun 
> is
> based on where the constellations used to be.

well duh - I'll go crawl under a rock :)

> If you want to DQuify this,  I would
> suggest a ritual starting pre-dawn & finishing when the sun is just 
> over the
> horizon.  This seems an appropriate time for (if you'll pardon the
> expression) enlightenment, without throwing out the party's schedule 
> ...
> which a noon ritual might.

I don't think we can base our decision on the party's schedule. Well of 
course we can, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But I like a dawn 
reading for all that,

cheers,

clare


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SubjectRe: [dq] Reading the night sky
FromMartin Dickson
DateTue, 28 Jun 2005 10:44:08 +1200
Errol Cavit wrote:

> A good variant for Shadow Mages could be to 'read the shadows' of 
> appropriate material thrown on a suitable surface.
>
"Well, based on my shadow reading we're going to be attacked by some 
kind of deformed bunny rabbit".  :-)

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SubjectRe: [dq] Reading the night sky
FromErrol Cavit
DateTue, 28 Jun 2005 10:57:13 +1200
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Dickson [mailto:martin.dickson@peace.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2005 10:44
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Reading the night sky
> 
> 
> Errol Cavit wrote:
> 
> > A good variant for Shadow Mages could be to 'read the shadows' of 
> > appropriate material thrown on a suitable surface.
> >
> "Well, based on my shadow reading we're going to be attacked by some 
> kind of deformed bunny rabbit".  :-)
> 

"Fool, you were meant to be summoning dinner!!" [thwack] ;-)


(This is much easier when rabbits are two feet long)

Errol

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<P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; From: Martin Dickson [<A HREF="mailto:martin.dickson@peace.com">mailto:martin.dickson@peace.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2005 10:44</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Subject: Re: [dq] Reading the night sky</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Errol Cavit wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; A good variant for Shadow Mages could be to 'read the shadows' of </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; appropriate material thrown on a suitable surface.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &quot;Well, based on my shadow reading we're going to be attacked by some </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; kind of deformed bunny rabbit&quot;.&nbsp; :-)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>&quot;Fool, you were meant to be summoning dinner!!&quot; [thwack] ;-)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>(This is much easier when rabbits are two feet long)</FONT>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Reading the night sky
FromStruan Judd
DateTue, 28 Jun 2005 11:11:52 +1200
Well there goes that idea for an adventure.

Humph!

TTFN, Struan.

On 6/28/05, Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@peace.com> wrote:
> Errol Cavit wrote:
> 
> > A good variant for Shadow Mages could be to 'read the shadows' of
> > appropriate material thrown on a suitable surface.
> >
> "Well, based on my shadow reading we're going to be attacked by some
> kind of deformed bunny rabbit".  :-)
> 
> --
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> User Experience Engineer                 fax: +64 9 3730401
> Strategy, Research & Architecture        email: martin.dickson@peace.com
> Peace Software                           http://www.peace.com
> 
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SubjectRe: [dq] Reading the night sky
FromCosmo
DateTue, 28 Jun 2005 15:42:06 +1200
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I've no objection to such a notion, since it must a quite a dreary (and
difficult) ritual for a Solar as it stands.&nbsp; Since even a baby Solar
Celestial has a spell that purports to protect them from such
"sun-worship" or could employ of the principles of <a
 href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_obscura">camera obscura</a>
to demonstrate to others the significant blemishes and writhing flares
of their angry Lovecraftian deity...&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ...of course, it needn't be a
"real" astrology reading if you talk it up enough.<br>
<br>
{from the rules}<br>
<i>Resistance to Light (G-9 Solar)<br>
...The target will also become fully protected from damage caused by
non-magical light (e.g. sunburn, snow-blindness),<br>
with the exception that it will not protect Greater Undead from
sunlight. <br>
</i><br>
Of course, casting this on unsuspecting colleagues, convincing them
it's perfectly safe to stare, and counter spelling it must have been a
"wicked wheeze" for a while now...<br>
<br>
&gt;sizzle&lt; "ARGH! They've booby-trapped their sun somehow!" -
Invader Zim<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
ben<br>
<br>
<br>
Noel Livingston (DSL AK) wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid200506270640.j5R6eldH008310@smtp.sig.net.nz"
 type="cite">
  <pre wrap="">I am currently playing a new solar celestial and was wondering what
people think of a minor change to this ritual for solar mages to allow
it to be a solar reading requiring a clear view of the sun and a clear
day &amp; possibly protection from light to avoid going blind.

Just a flavour thing.

Cheers Noel


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SubjectRe: [dq] Reading the night sky
FromErrol Cavit
DateTue, 28 Jun 2005 15:54:29 +1200
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So that's why they made it self only!!
 
Good point, they only have to rank it to 6 before they can do the ritual.
Obviously the healers use baby Solar mages as burnt retina repair training
;-)
 
Errol

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From: Cosmo [mailto:cosmo@evilbadandwrong.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2005 15:42
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Reading the night sky



I've no objection to such a notion, since it must a quite a dreary (and
difficult) ritual for a Solar as it stands.  Since even a baby Solar
Celestial has a spell that purports to protect them from such "sun-worship"
or could employ of the principles of camera obscura
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_obscura>  to demonstrate to others the
significant blemishes and writhing flares of their angry Lovecraftian
deity...    ...of course, it needn't be a "real" astrology reading if you
talk it up enough.

{from the rules}
Resistance to Light (G-9 Solar)
...The target will also become fully protected from damage caused by
non-magical light (e.g. sunburn, snow-blindness),
with the exception that it will not protect Greater Undead from sunlight. 

Of course, casting this on unsuspecting colleagues, convincing them it's
perfectly safe to stare, and counter spelling it must have been a "wicked
wheeze" for a while now...

>sizzle< "ARGH! They've booby-trapped their sun somehow!" - Invader Zim



ben


Noel Livingston (DSL AK) wrote: 

I am currently playing a new solar celestial and was wondering what

people think of a minor change to this ritual for solar mages to allow

it to be a solar reading requiring a clear view of the sun and a clear

day & possibly protection from light to avoid going blind.



Just a flavour thing.



Cheers Noel





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Cheers Noel


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