SubjectRe: [dq] Flying Horses
FromMandos Mitchinson
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 08:02:52 +1200
> Back to "what do we want" ?

Unfortunatly I cannot answer this. I can certainly let you know what I
want though. 

> I'd have no issue with reducing the average flying speed or 
> upping the 
> FT costs (or at least confirming those FT costs) -- but would 
> prefer not 
> to do this unless / until we have a clear idea of the issue 
> being addressed.

I think the world becomes a smaller place with everyone able to flit
about on wings. As a result there is no sence of scale to the world. The
Western Kingdom is a massive place, as large as any of the major
European nations if not larger, and yet you can fly over it with one
high ranked spell or two average ranked ones in less than a day. 

I think this provides a distraction from the game world. Flying at 40-50
miles an hour is a speed that is more of a modern feel so it pulls
people from 13th-16th century thinking back to 22st century mindsets
which hinders people ability to immerse in the game. 

This is a hard reasoning to verbalise, particularly at this time in the
morning, so I hope it conveys a little of my concern. 

> If we did reduce flying speeds  -- and they became as you said "more 
> like the speed of birds", then I'd also want us to do away with the 
> silly catapulting people through the sky they currently do 
> and integrate them properly with combat etc...  :-)

I am certainly keen to try :-) Currently if people fly in combat in my
games I use a 3 pulse system. One Pulse to take off, one to loop and one
to try and land somewhere else on the battlefield. Sloppy landings get a
scatter dice involved. 

Mandos
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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromAndrew\ Withy\ \(DSL\ AK\)
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 08:18:47 +1200
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Can anyone please inform me when was the section stating "You can rank
one rank beyond the experience points that you currently have (to be
paid within six months)" added to the rulebook and why?
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The copy of DQ 2 that I have (admittedly electronic) says in the chapter
"How Experience is Used":
   A player may not spend Experience Points not in his character's Bank.
and later in the same chapter;
   A player may declare that his character is beginning to spend the
necessary time to improve in an ability or vocation before he gains the
necessary Experience Points. If the character does not have the correct
amount of EP by the time he has completed the first requirement, he has
one month to gain that amount. If the character gains the necessary EP
within the one month time limit, he must spend an extra day in study
and/or practice to gain Rank.
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Andrew

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	You can rank one rank beyond the experience points that you
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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromJonathan Bean
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 08:35:22 +1200
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Thanks for the digging Andrew - more ranks in spy than me :-)

 

I remembered incorrectly which is why I guess I was checking it -

 

I think the part I was remembering was the section: 

 

   A player may declare that his character is beginning to spend the
necessary time to improve in an ability or vocation before he gains the
necessary Experience Points. If the character does not have the correct
amount of EP by the time he has completed the first requirement, he has one
month to gain that amount. If the character gains the necessary EP within
the one month time limit, he must spend an extra day in study and/or
practice to gain Rank.

 

So clearly this rule can only be used by male players.. I'm glade times have
changed.

 

Did this rule ever get the attention of a Gods meeting, make it into the
current rule book or just over looked as I suspect?

 

Jonathan Bean

 

Business Development Manager

TME - Its all about time

Phone 966 1656         PO Box 35902, Browns Bay

Fax 448 1051           Auckalnd, New Zealand

Mob 021 173 4060       www.tme.co.nz

Free 0800 55 33 66

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From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Andrew Withy (DSL AK)
Sent: 12 July 2005 8:19 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Over ranking

 

Can anyone please inform me when was the section stating "You can rank one
rank beyond the experience points that you currently have (to be paid within
six months)" added to the rulebook and why?

 

The copy of DQ 2 that I have (admittedly electronic) says in the chapter
"How Experience is Used":

   A player may not spend Experience Points not in his character's Bank.

and later in the same chapter;

 

 

 

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Bean
Sent: Monday, 11 July 2005 5:10 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq] Over ranking

Can anyone please inform me when was the section on: 

 

You can rank one rank beyond the experience points that you currently have
(to be paid for within 6 months) removed from the rulebook and why?

 

Jonathan Bean

 

Business Development Manager

TME - Its all about time

Phone 966 1656         PO Box 35902, Browns Bay

Fax 448 1051           Auckalnd, New Zealand

Mob 021 173 4060       www.tme.co.nz

Free 0800 55 33 66

 


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ability or
vocation before he gains the necessary Experience Points. If the =
character does
not have the correct amount of EP by the time he has completed the first
requirement, he has one month to gain that amount. If the character =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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male players&#8230;. I&#8217;m glade times have =
changed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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I
suspect?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b><span =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [dq] Over =
ranking</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Can anyone please inform me when =
was the
section stating &quot;You can rank one rank beyond the experience points =
that
you currently have (to be paid within six months)&quot; added to the =
rulebook
and why?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The copy of DQ 2 that I have =
(admittedly
electronic) says in the chapter &quot;How Experience is =
Used&quot;:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>&nbsp;&nbsp; A player may not spend
Experience Points not in his character's =
Bank.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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chapter;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
Behalf Of </span></b>Jonathan
Bean<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, 11 July =
2005 5:10
p.m.<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [dq] Over =
ranking</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-NZ =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Can anyone please inform me when was the =
section on: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-NZ =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-NZ =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>You can rank one rank beyond the experience =
points
that you currently have (to be paid for within 6 months) removed from =
the
rulebook and why?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-NZ =
style=3D'font-size:
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style=3D'font-size:
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style=3D'font-size:
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Manager</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
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lang=3DEN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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4060&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;www.tme.co.nz</span></font>=
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lang=3DEN-NZ><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromMartin Dickson
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 08:43:56 +1200
Andrew Withy (DSL AK) wrote:

>    A player may declare that his character is beginning to spend the 
> necessary time to improve in an ability or vocation before he gains 
> the necessary Experience Points. If the character does not have the 
> correct amount of EP by the time he has completed the first 
> requirement, he has one month to gain that amount. If the character 
> gains the necessary EP within the one month time limit, he must spend 
> an extra day in study and/or practice to gain Rank.

That's the rule I remember...essentially "Over training", not over 
ranking. Allowng a PC to train a bit more wth a one month grace period 
to come up with the Ep.

Interesting that Errol found a six month Rank 0 rule -- I didn't recal 
that one -- though there seems to be no hard and fast rule regarding the 
contiguousness of training, just that it needs to be paid for before the 
Rank is gained.

There's no change record in the front the current rules for the removal 
of over training / grace period -- perhaps an oversight during one of 
the re-writes of ranking... or its removal may pre-date the change 
record.  For what little it's worth I don't recall its removal being 
discussed.

    - Martin

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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromAndrew\ Withy\ \(DSL\ AK\)
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 08:52:18 +1200
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Just a reminder that the Ranking sections in the rules and the players
guide were written by me to help make sense of the ranking when I had
only played for a couple of years. They were later put into the rules,
but never checked for completeness or consistency, let alone voted on.
We should decide what we want, check it for holes, vote, and then update
the rulebook and players guide.
=20
=20
Andrew

	-----Original Message-----
	From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Errol Cavit
	Sent: Monday, 11 July 2005 5:37 p.m.
	To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
	Subject: Re: [dq] Over ranking
=09
=09

	Do you mean the ability to spend the time required before you
have the EP (the rank not being attained until the EP is spent)?

	I thought there was a general rule that you must spend all the
time required for a rank within the 6 months before you spend the EP.
However all I found was:

	"28.1 Acquiring and Using Skills=20
	...=20
	Any skill may be acquired at Rank 0 at a variable=20
	cost of Experience Points and 8 weeks of game=20
	time.All eight weeks must fall within a period of six game=20
	months. Time spent on adventure may not count to-ward=20
	the necessary eight weeks."=20

	which surprised me.=20

	Assuming we want this rule to be general, then it should
probably be in the first part of 6 Ranking.=20

	Cheers=20
	Errol=20


	-----Original Message-----=20
	From: Jonathan Bean [mailto:jonathan@tme.co.nz]=20
	Sent: Monday, 11 July 2005 17:10=20
	To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz=20
	Subject: [dq] Over ranking=20


	Can anyone please inform me when was the section on:=20
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	You can rank one rank beyond the experience points that you
currently have (to be paid for within 6 months) removed from the
rulebook and why?

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	Jonathan Bean=20
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	Business Development Manager=20
	TME - Its all about time=20
	Phone 966 1656         PO Box 35902, Browns Bay=20
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align=3Dleft><FONT=20
  face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
  dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Errol=20
  Cavit<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 11 July 2005 5:37 p.m.<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Over =
ranking<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>Do you mean the ability to spend the time required =
before you=20
  have the EP (the rank not being attained until the EP is =
spent)?</FONT></P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>I thought there was a general rule that you must =
spend all the=20
  time required for a rank within the 6 months before you spend the EP. =
However=20
  all I found was:</FONT></P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>"28.1 Acquiring and Using Skills</FONT> <BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>...</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Any skill may be acquired at =
Rank 0 at a=20
  variable</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>cost of Experience Points and 8 =
weeks of=20
  game</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>time.All eight weeks must fall within a =
period of=20
  six game</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>months. Time spent on adventure may =
not count=20
  to-ward</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>the necessary eight weeks."</FONT> =
</P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>which surprised me.</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>Assuming we want this rule to be general, then it =
should=20
  probably be in the first part of 6 Ranking.</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>Cheers</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Errol</FONT> =
</P><BR>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>From:=20
  Jonathan Bean [<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:jonathan@tme.co.nz">mailto:jonathan@tme.co.nz</A>]</FONT> =

  <BR><FONT size=3D2>Sent: Monday, 11 July 2005 17:10</FONT> <BR><FONT =
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ranking</FONT>=20
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  <P><FONT size=3D2>Can anyone please inform me when was the section on: =

  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>You can =
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  beyond the experience points that you currently have (to be paid for =
within 6=20
  months) removed from the rulebook and why?</FONT></P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Jonathan Bean</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Business Development =
Manager</FONT>=20
  <BR><FONT size=3D2>TME - Its all about time</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>Phone 966=20
  1656&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PO Box 35902, =
Browns=20
  Bay</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Fax 448=20
  1051&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Auckalnd, New=20
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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromErrol Cavit
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 08:57:25 +1200
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That (old) rule seems far too restrictive to me. It is implied that time
spent gaining a rank must be done consecutively. With ranking times up to 20
weeks, even a season off in our schedule is quite a squeeze.
I know several people who were under the understanding that your training
for a rank must be completed within 6 months of starting.
Having a extra day for each break seems reasonable, if slightly tedious.
Or is some other way of stopping people spreading ranking over years
preferred?
 
Cheers
Errol

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Bean [mailto:jonathan@tme.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 08:35
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Over ranking



Thanks for the digging Andrew - more ranks in spy than me :-)

 

I remembered incorrectly which is why I guess I was checking it -

 

I think the part I was remembering was the section: 

 

   A player may declare that his character is beginning to spend the
necessary time to improve in an ability or vocation before he gains the
necessary Experience Points. If the character does not have the correct
amount of EP by the time he has completed the first requirement, he has one
month to gain that amount. If the character gains the necessary EP within
the one month time limit, he must spend an extra day in study and/or
practice to gain Rank.

 

So clearly this rule can only be used by male players.... I'm glade times
have changed.

 

Did this rule ever get the attention of a Gods meeting, make it into the
current rule book or just over looked as I suspect?

 

Jonathan Bean

 

Business Development Manager

TME - Its all about time

Phone 966 1656         PO Box 35902, Browns Bay

Fax 448 1051           Auckalnd, New Zealand

Mob 021 173 4060       www.tme.co.nz

Free 0800 55 33 66


  _____  


From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Andrew Withy (DSL AK)
Sent: 12 July 2005 8:19 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Over ranking

 

Can anyone please inform me when was the section stating "You can rank one
rank beyond the experience points that you currently have (to be paid within
six months)" added to the rulebook and why?

 

The copy of DQ 2 that I have (admittedly electronic) says in the chapter
"How Experience is Used":

   A player may not spend Experience Points not in his character's Bank.

and later in the same chapter;

 

 

 

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Bean
Sent: Monday, 11 July 2005 5:10 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq] Over ranking

Can anyone please inform me when was the section on: 

 

You can rank one rank beyond the experience points that you currently have
(to be paid for within 6 months) removed from the rulebook and why?

 

Jonathan Bean

 

Business Development Manager

TME - Its all about time

Phone 966 1656         PO Box 35902, Browns Bay

Fax 448 1051           Auckalnd, New Zealand

Mob 021 173 4060       www.tme.co.nz

Free 0800 55 33 66

 


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<DIV><SPAN class=885464420-11072005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>That 
(old) rule seems far too restrictive to me. It is implied that time spent 
gaining a rank must be done consecutively. With ranking times up to 20 weeks, 
even a season off in our schedule is quite a squeeze.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=885464420-11072005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I know 
several people who were under the understanding that your training for a rank 
must be completed within 6 months of starting.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=885464420-11072005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Having 
a extra day for each break seems reasonable, if slightly 
tedious.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=885464420-11072005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Or is 
some other way of stopping people spreading ranking over years 
preferred?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=885464420-11072005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=885464420-11072005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=885464420-11072005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Errol</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr 
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Jonathan Bean 
  [mailto:jonathan@tme.co.nz]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 12 July 2005 
  08:35<BR><B>To:</B> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Over 
  ranking<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=Section1>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks for the 
  digging Andrew - more ranks in spy than me </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings 
  color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I remembered 
  incorrectly which is why I guess I was checking it 
  -<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think the part I 
  was remembering was the section: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp; A player 
  may declare that his character is beginning to spend the necessary time to 
  improve in an ability or vocation before he gains the necessary Experience 
  Points. If the character does not have the correct amount of EP by the time he 
  has completed the first requirement, he has one month to gain that amount. If 
  the character gains the necessary EP within the one month time limit, he must 
  spend an extra day in study and/or practice to gain 
  Rank.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So clearly this rule 
  can only be used by male players.... I'm glade times have 
  changed.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Did this rule ever 
  get the attention of a Gods meeting, make it into the current rule book or 
  just over looked as I suspect?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
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  Manager</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: navy"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">TME - Its all about 
  time</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: navy"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
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  face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> 
  dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Andrew Withy (<st1:place 
  w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">DSL</st1:City> <st1:State 
  w:st="on">AK</st1:State></st1:place>)<BR><B><SPAN 
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  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName 
  w:st="on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [dq] Over 
  ranking</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Can anyone please 
  inform me when was the section stating "You can rank one rank beyond the 
  experience points that you currently have (to be paid within six months)" 
  added to the rulebook and why?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The copy of DQ 2 that 
  I have (admittedly electronic) says in the chapter "How Experience is 
  Used":</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp; A player 
  may not spend Experience Points not in his character's 
  Bank.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">and later in the same 
  chapter;</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Andrew</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm">
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Tahoma 
    size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original 
    Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> 
    dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <B><SPAN 
    style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jonathan Bean<BR><B><SPAN 
    style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, 11 July 2005 5:10 
    p.m.<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName 
    w:st="on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN 
    style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [dq] Over 
    ranking</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
    <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-NZ 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Can anyone please inform me when 
    was the section on: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-NZ 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-NZ 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You can rank one rank beyond the 
    experience points that you currently have (to be paid for within 6 months) 
    removed from the rulebook and why?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-NZ 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-NZ 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jonathan Bean</SPAN></FONT><SPAN 
    lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
    <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN lang=EN-NZ 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Business Development 
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    <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-NZ 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">TME - Its all about 
    time</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=EN-NZ><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
    <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN lang=EN-NZ 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Phone <st1:Street 
    w:st="on"><st1:address 
    style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x" 
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    w:st="on">Browns</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType 
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    style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x" 
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Subject[dq] {OT} Preparing to move
FromStruan Judd
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 08:57:24 +1200
Decision made,

I will abandoning my solitary live arrangements and going back to the
flatting / housemates lifestyle.

The financial incentives alone are just too much to ignore.

In all probability, I will joining Lisa, Gordon and Kevin at Endeavour
St. and hopefully by the end of the month. (OMG)

Anyway I have two (immediate) requests for the extended group here.

1) I need boxes, mainly for books, so not too large (Biscuit boxes
have proven to be sturdy enough and about the right size)

2) I'm probably going to need to find a home for my lounge suite (sob,
sob) and would be happy to lend my Washing machine, dryer, microwave
and fridge if there are any who NEED them. Also it is probable, though
not certain, that my old abode in Oakley Ave would be available to be
rented. I can vouch for both the previous tenant and the landlord :)

TTFN, Struan.


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SubjectRe: [dq] purchase of extra subskills below Rank 10
FromMartin Dickson
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 09:01:29 +1200
Helen Saggers wrote:

>...the flute player can have put it all into flute
>from Rank 0 thru to 3, (giving +6) for an effective rank of 9, at rank 4
>putting the subskill into flute again wastes it.
>  
>
Not quite -- at least that was neither the intention or the way I read 
it. :-)

48.1 "However, a troubadour may choose to specialise. If, upon gaining a 
new Rank, the troubadour wishes to forego gaining a new ability, they 
may specialise in
one of the abilities that they already possess. That ability then 
operates at (troubadour’s Rank + 1), maximum 10."

In order to specialise you have to pick an ability you already have. It 
is not possible to specialise at Rank 0 -- you don't have any existing 
abilities upon gaining the new Rank (Rank 0).

So, 3 abilities at Rk 0 practised at Rank 0. At Rank 1 you may choose to 
specialise in one of your Rk 0 abilities, rather than gain an additional 
ability. The specialised ability will then be practiced at Rk 1 + 1 = 
effective Rk 2. The other two Rk 0 abilities will be practiced at Rk 1.

When Rk 2 is gained and the PC specialises again the special ability 
will be at Rk 2 + 2 = effective 4.

At Rk 5 + 5 = effective 10 the ability tops out.

Just for clarity: Even if we allow subskills at Rk 7 or lower there is 
no reason to believe that this automatically makes it possible to buy 
the same ability again in order to specialise. We may _choose_ to allow 
this, but the current specialisation rule is limited to when the PC 
gains a new rank -- which isn't what is happening why they just buy a 
new sub-skill.

Regards,
Martin.

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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromMandos Mitchinson
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 09:10:20 +1200
> That (old) rule seems far too restrictive to me. It is implied that
time spent gaining
> a rank must be done consecutively. With ranking times up to 20 weeks,
even a season
> off in our schedule is quite a squeeze.
> I know several people who were under the understanding that your
training for a rank
> must be completed within 6 months of starting.
> Having a extra day for each break seems reasonable, if slightly
tedious.
> Or is some other way of stopping people spreading ranking over years
preferred?

Statement of interest - I have characters...they rank....

Personally I cannot think of a benefit to allowing people to split their
ranking. Getting Rank 10 in a weapon is a difficult struggle as it
should be. You have you really want it. 

Time is the only constraint in the the game that is fairly allocated to
eveyone and makes a damn fine restriction to people wanting to get to
the high ranks in things. Not everything should be cheap and easy to
attain. 

The only people who would really *require* this rule for the betterment
of the game are those with only one character as the time constraint
stops them roleplaying entirely. If the bulk of the guild only played a
single character then the rule would be a great one to change, but they
don't. Most of us have several characters and rotate them as
appropriate, those that only have the one character are either new
players or very rare. 

Of those people I know with a single character they do not seem to
struggle with time that much and still have high ranks in things. 

Ergo, no issue.

Mandos
/s


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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromMartin Dickson
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 09:19:23 +1200
Mandos Mitchinson wrote:

>Statement of interest - I have characters...they rank....
>  
>
Ditto... no wait... "character", singular.

>...those that only have the one character are either new players or very rare. 
>  
>
Rare... cool.  :-)

>Of those people I know with a single character they do not seem to
>struggle with time that much and still have high ranks in things. 
>  
>
Disagree from personal experience.  Mortimer has been less affected than 
if he seriously used weapons, but rituals have the same problem at 
higher ranks.

>Ergo, no issue.
>  
>
Maybe not a big issue, but there is one.  There are a number of old, 
err, veteran players in the guild who commonly play only a single 
character.  We may have had others but they are mostly or completely 
retired.  Perhaps we should consider new characters... but speaking 
personally I fail to see the charm... although a Bard is tempting...  :-)

Cheers,
Martin

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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromJonathan Bean
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 09:21:06 +1200
> Time is the only constraint in the the game that is fairly allocated to
> eveyone and makes a damn fine restriction to people wanting to get to
> the high ranks in things.

This seems to me to insure that the keen people are directly encouraged to
not play.... as in take time (years) out to rank stuff. So we have a game
where the thing to do for my characters story line is not play.

On the other hand maybe is an odd form of load balancing?

Jonathan Bean
 
Business Development Manager
TME - Its all about time
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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromSally Musgrave
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 09:34:22 +1200
Surely the veteran players with only one character, achieve their
ranking break to GM a session.  And that is something to be encouraged
isn't it ;)

Sally

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Mandos Mitchinson wrote:

>Statement of interest - I have characters...they rank....
>  
>
Ditto... no wait... "character", singular.

>...those that only have the one character are either new players or 
>very rare.
>  
>
Rare... cool.  :-)

>Of those people I know with a single character they do not seem to 
>struggle with time that much and still have high ranks in things.
>  
>
Disagree from personal experience.  Mortimer has been less affected than

if he seriously used weapons, but rituals have the same problem at 
higher ranks.

>Ergo, no issue.
>  
>
Maybe not a big issue, but there is one.  There are a number of old, 
err, veteran players in the guild who commonly play only a single 
character.  We may have had others but they are mostly or completely 
retired.  Perhaps we should consider new characters... but speaking 
personally I fail to see the charm... although a Bard is tempting...
:-)

Cheers,
Martin

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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromMandos Mitchinson
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 09:35:32 +1200
> Rare... cool.  :-)

I can only think of a handful of you, that's pretty rare :0)

> Disagree from personal experience.  Mortimer has been less 
> affected than 
> if he seriously used weapons, but rituals have the same problem at 
> higher ranks.

But is the rituals issue one of being unable to play because of ranking
or a 'that's a lot of time for one rank' issue. Dramus has not really
ranked his rituals much either due to the time it takes to do so, and I
have other character so not playing is not always a reasons for not
ranking rituals. 

In general taking a session off is something we all do even with a
single character and there are very few things that take more than a
session to rank. Remembering that if an adventure gives you 7 weeks
training time a single session off gets you any rank. 

> Maybe not a big issue, but there is one.  There are a number of old, 
> err, veteran players in the guild who commonly play only a single 
> character.  We may have had others but they are mostly or completely 
> retired.  Perhaps we should consider new characters... but speaking 
> personally I fail to see the charm... although a Bard is 
> tempting...  :-)

Bard....tempting.....are we talking targets here????

Mandos
/s


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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromErrol Cavit
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 09:38:04 +1200
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So this 'encouragement' is like 'protection', is it?

;-)

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:34
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
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> Surely the veteran players with only one character, achieve their
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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromMandos Mitchinson
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 09:45:01 +1200
> This seems to me to insure that the keen people are directly 
> encouraged to not play.... as in take time (years) out to 
> rank stuff. So we have a game where the thing to do for my 
> characters story line is not play.
> 
> On the other hand maybe is an odd form of load balancing?

Over the years, the EP rewards have increased, the starting character
has become tougher, the items handed out have become looser. 

Basically the only thing that has not been suffering from inflation is
time. 

I don't see that speeding up this inflation as a good thing. There are a
number of options available for people who only have a single character
(a second character, not ranking that thing quite so quickly or as Sally
suggested taking a session off to GM :-) ). All of these are a personal
choice. Changing the rules for a small group in a way that I think would
be detrimental to the game as a whole is not a good thing. 

Mandos
/s


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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromAndrew\ Withy\ \(DSL\ AK\)
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 09:46:37 +1200
I'd like to enshrine current practise (within reason). At the moment, do
people ranking rituals or weapons sometimes spend some of the time, and
complete the next rank after the next adventure?

I think that (rules to the contrary), this does happen, and people often
have a six month time limit in mind, or try to complete the rank in a
continuous period, excluding adventures. This seems reasonably harmless,
and allows those people who enjoy (mainly) one character to roleplay
someone with weapons and/or rituals.


Andrew


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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromMartin Dickson
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 09:51:54 +1200
Mandos Mitchinson wrote:

>But is the rituals issue one of being unable to play because of ranking
>or a 'that's a lot of time for one rank' issue.
>
Rank 13 in a ritual requires an entire season with no adv time.

>Remembering that if an adventure gives you 7 weeks
>training time a single session off gets you any rank. 
>  
>
Agreed, and in past, as Sally said I used a "ranking break to GM a 
session" -- or perhaps more correctly have GMed a session and so gained 
(an enforced) break.  :-)   As I said, not a huge issue, but not a 
non-existant one either.


>Bard....tempting.....are we talking targets here????
>  
>
Just keep repeating... "not all Bards are evil..."

:-)


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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromJonathan Bean
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 09:52:49 +1200
> Surely the veteran players with only one character, achieve their
> ranking break to GM a session.  And that is something to be encouraged
> isn't it ;)
> 
> Sally

So it is the odd form of load balancing then.

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Subject[dq] Are GMs adding to the DQWiki?
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Are GMs adding to the DQ Wiki? Main page -->
http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Main_Page

 

What do people think it will do to the culture of DQ having information like
the Wiki online and accessible?

 

I have been adding to area's I am GM'ing in such as;

http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Fastness_of_Girwyllan

 

Are others doing the same?

 

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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromMandos Mitchinson
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 09:58:17 +1200
> Rank 13 in a ritual requires an entire season with no adv time.

As it does for any other character. The impact to the character remains
the same, the only change is that for those with a single character they
are unable to play that session. 

> Agreed, and in past, as Sally said I used a "ranking break to GM a 
> session" -- or perhaps more correctly have GMed a session and 
> so gained an enforced) break.  :-)   As I said, not a huge issue,
> but not a non-existant one either.

The question is as one of the primarily affected people, do you think it
requires a rule change?

> Just keep repeating... "not all Bards are evil..."

I was brought up not to lie :-)

Mandos
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I've have a number of times with my oldest character spread long ranking 
accross two sessions.  No GM has every had any issue with this.
NB sometimes this has been from financial causes rather than just time - 
ie the charactor couldn't afford to take a session off as they ran out of 
money for food.

Regards,
Rosemary





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I'd like to enshrine current practise (within reason). At the moment, do
people ranking rituals or weapons sometimes spend some of the time, and
complete the next rank after the next adventure?

I think that (rules to the contrary), this does happen, and people often
have a six month time limit in mind, or try to complete the rank in a
continuous period, excluding adventures. This seems reasonably harmless,
and allows those people who enjoy (mainly) one character to roleplay
someone with weapons and/or rituals.


Andrew


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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I've have a number of times with my
oldest character spread long ranking accross two sessions. &nbsp;No GM
has every had any issue with this.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">NB sometimes this has been from financial
causes rather than just time - ie the charactor couldn't afford to take
a session off as they ran out of money for food.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Regards,<br>
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At the moment, do<br>
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I think that (rules to the contrary), this does happen, and people often<br>
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someone with weapons and/or rituals.<br>
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FromMandos Mitchinson
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 10:02:56 +1200
> Are GMs adding to the DQ Wiki? Main page à http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Main_Page

Yep :-)
 
> What do people think it will do to the culture of DQ having information like the Wiki online and accessible?

Hopefully it will encourage people to play more on Allusia, adding to the greater sum of knowledge and making a better game for everyone. I think it will also allow people to run cross GM campaigns easily and assist the campaign committee in getting info out to the rest of us. All good things. 

> I have been adding to area's I am GM'ing in such as;
> http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Fastness_of_Girwyllan
> 
> Are others doing the same?

Not to quite the same extent but I have been making up for it by spell checking the stuff you have been adding :-)

Mandos
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> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:52
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> Subject: Re: [dq] Over ranking
> 
> 
> Mandos Mitchinson wrote:
> 
<snip>
> 
> 
> >Bard....tempting.....are we talking targets here????
> >  
> >
> Just keep repeating... "not all Bards are evil..."
> 
> :-)
> 

What!!??!
Oh, I see. You want to lull them into a false sense of security. Nice.

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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:52</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Mandos Mitchinson wrote:</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;&nbsp; </FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; :-)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>What!!??!</FONT>
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FromJonathan Bean
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 10:05:36 +1200
> Not to quite the same extent but I have been making up for it by spell
> checking the stuff you have been adding :-)

LOL - glade to keep you busy :-)

Jonathan Bean
 
Business Development Manager
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Phone 966 1656         PO Box 35902, Browns Bay
Fax 448 1051           Auckalnd, New Zealand
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
> Mandos Mitchinson
> Sent: 12 July 2005 10:03 a.m.
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Are GMs adding to the DQWiki?
> 
> > Are GMs adding to the DQ Wiki? Main page à
> http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Main_Page
> 
> Yep :-)
> 
> > What do people think it will do to the culture of DQ having information
> like the Wiki online and accessible?
> 
> Hopefully it will encourage people to play more on Allusia, adding to the
> greater sum of knowledge and making a better game for everyone. I think it
> will also allow people to run cross GM campaigns easily and assist the
> campaign committee in getting info out to the rest of us. All good things.
> 
> > I have been adding to area's I am GM'ing in such as;
> > http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Fastness_of_Girwyllan
> >
> > Are others doing the same?
> 
> Not to quite the same extent but I have been making up for it by spell
> checking the stuff you have been adding :-)
> 
> Mandos
> /s
> 
> 
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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromMichael Parkinson
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 10:21:34 +1200
Splitting ranking by going out on adventure is frequently a *necessary* part
of the game.  For those PCs ranking rituals up to a good rank, it is
frequently impossible to rank in a way that fits the game calendar.
Fortunately  --perhaps its all that flying? --  adventures are often
completed in 4 weeks or less, especially at higher levels (with all that
complicated fighting and crucial interation with NPC) so the interruption is
not long, especially when compared with time take to rank the ritual.
Indeed SF has broken most of his higher ranks for purification this way &
GMs at the time had no problem with that.

Let's remember that the quarterly sessions are --above ALL else-- a gaming
convention that is player-driven & not character-driven;  we should
reasonably avoid rules complications that attack, destablise, or
unnecessarily complicate this gaming convention.

Michael

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I've have a number of times with my oldest character spread long ranking
accross two sessions.  No GM has every had any issue with this.
NB sometimes this has been from financial causes rather than just time - ie
the charactor couldn't afford to take a session off as they ran out of money
for food.

Regards,
Rosemary



"Andrew\ Withy\ \(DSL\ AK\)" <AndrewW@datacom.co.nz>
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I'd like to enshrine current practise (within reason). At the moment, do
people ranking rituals or weapons sometimes spend some of the time, and
complete the next rank after the next adventure?

I think that (rules to the contrary), this does happen, and people often
have a six month time limit in mind, or try to complete the rank in a
continuous period, excluding adventures. This seems reasonably harmless,
and allows those people who enjoy (mainly) one character to roleplay
someone with weapons and/or rituals.


Andrew


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DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 10:32:03 +1200
a year and a day seems traditional. :-D

6 months may be short. A Rank 20 ritual or Rank 10 weapon requires 20 weeks of ranking. 6 months allows only 6 weeks to be taken for the (interupting) adventure. Sure some people do it in only a few day...

Or have i misunderstood what the '6 months' refers to?

Ian

> 
> From: "Andrew\ Withy\ \(DSL\ AK\)" <AndrewW@datacom.co.nz>
> Date: 2005/07/12 Tue AM 09:46:37 GMT+12:00
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Over ranking
> 
> I'd like to enshrine current practise (within reason). At the moment, do
> people ranking rituals or weapons sometimes spend some of the time, and
> complete the next rank after the next adventure?
> 
> I think that (rules to the contrary), this does happen, and people often
> have a six month time limit in mind, or try to complete the rank in a
> continuous period, excluding adventures. This seems reasonably harmless,
> and allows those people who enjoy (mainly) one character to roleplay
> someone with weapons and/or rituals.
> 
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mandos Mitchinson [mailto:MandosM@adhb.govt.nz]
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:45
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Over ranking
> 
> 
> > This seems to me to insure that the keen people are directly 
> > encouraged to not play.... as in take time (years) out to 
> > rank stuff. So we have a game where the thing to do for my 
> > characters story line is not play.
> > 
> > On the other hand maybe is an odd form of load balancing?
> 
> Over the years, the EP rewards have increased, the starting character
> has become tougher, the items handed out have become looser. 
> 
> Basically the only thing that has not been suffering from inflation is
> time. 
> 
> I don't see that speeding up this inflation as a good thing. 
> There are a
> number of options available for people who only have a single 
> character
> (a second character, not ranking that thing quite so quickly 
> or as Sally
> suggested taking a session off to GM :-) ). All of these are 
> a personal
> choice. Changing the rules for a small group in a way that I 
> think would
> be detrimental to the game as a whole is not a good thing. 
> 


Note that if you cannot split ranking time (and I'm not sure if this is
explicitly banned?), then spending downtime on adventure ranking time only
becomes more restricted. The last time one of my characters did this
(completing the training and spending the EP after the adventure was
finished) it was by ranking with another PC while in transit to the
adventure. This created more player interaction, and was more interesting
than the mages going to their corners to rank magic, and the non-mage
reading a book. Doing this sort of thing feels like what a ad-hoc group of
adventurers would do when they get the opportunity, and helps everyone work
together as a team.

Cheers
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while in transit to the adventure. This created more player =
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Can someone tell me the name of the adventure that helped settle 500ish
Hobbits in the settlement of Crystal Springs please.

 

Thanks

 

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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromMartin Dickson
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 11:45:08 +1200
I cannot find a rule that states that ranking time must be contiguous.  
Does such a rule exist?  Has it ever existed?

Cheers,
Martin

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DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 11:55:01 +1200
Can the originators of this thread (Jono and Andrew ?)explain what exactly the issue is? I seem to have lost track of this somewhere...

Thanks, Ian

> 
> From: Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@peace.com>
> Date: 2005/07/12 Tue AM 11:45:08 GMT+12:00
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Over ranking
> 
> I cannot find a rule that states that ranking time must be contiguous.  
> Does such a rule exist?  Has it ever existed?
> 
> Cheers,
> Martin
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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromErrol Cavit
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 12:02:25 +1200
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The DQ2 rule below, and the one in 28.1 imply not (you can earn EP after
starting to spend the time).

You _might_ be able to imply a contiguous requirement out of the current
version, but I don't think it is worth the effort to  analyse the language
in depth, as it wouldn't prove anything (no-one remembers voting on the
point).


Cheers
Errol

> From: Martin Dickson [mailto:martin.dickson@peace.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 11:45
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Over ranking
> 
> 
> I cannot find a rule that states that ranking time must be 
> contiguous. 
> Does such a rule exist? Has it ever existed?


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Withy (DSL AK) [mailto:AndrewW@datacom.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 08:19
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Over ranking


Can anyone please inform me when was the section stating "You can rank one
rank beyond the experience points that you currently have (to be paid within
six months)" added to the rulebook and why?

The copy of DQ 2 that I have (admittedly electronic) says in the chapter
"How Experience is Used":
   A player may not spend Experience Points not in his character's Bank.
and later in the same chapter;
   A player may declare that his character is beginning to spend the
necessary time to improve in an ability or vocation before he gains the
necessary Experience Points. If the character does not have the correct
amount of EP by the time he has completed the first requirement, he has one
month to gain that amount. If the character gains the necessary EP within
the one month time limit, he must spend an extra day in study and/or
practice to gain Rank.

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The DQ2 rule below, and the one in 28.1 imply not =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>You _might_ be able to imply a contiguous requirement =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; From: Martin Dickson [<A =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 11:45</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I cannot find a rule that states that ranking =
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stating &quot;You can rank one rank beyond the experience points that =
you currently have (to be paid within six months)&quot; added to the =
rulebook and why?</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The copy of DQ 2 that I have (admittedly electronic) =
says in the chapter &quot;How Experience is Used&quot;:</FONT>
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Points not in his character's Bank.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and later in the same chapter;</FONT>
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is beginning to spend the necessary time to improve in an ability or =
vocation before he gains the necessary Experience Points. If the =
character does not have the correct amount of EP by the time he has =
completed the first requirement, he has one month to gain that amount. =
If the character gains the necessary EP within the one month time =
limit, he must spend an extra day in study and/or practice to gain =
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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromMartin Dickson
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 12:08:01 +1200
Not Jono or Andrew but...

Jono was asking where a missing rule was / when was it removed.  The 
rule allows training before EP is available with a requirement that the 
EP be provided within one month of the end of training, and that one 
extra day be spent.

Andrew supplied the text from DQ2.  There is no record of this rule 
being dropped intentionally. It appears to have been inadvertently 
dropped from the current rules.

This lead into a (mostly unrelated) discussion of the rule that states 
that the 8 weeks of training for a Rank 0 skill may be split over 6 
months, and the suggestion / assertion from various posters that 
training normally has a requirement of contiguous time.

Hence my most recent question: could someone please point me to the rule 
requiring contiguous time in training.

Cheers,
Martin

dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz wrote:

>Can the originators of this thread (Jono and Andrew ?)explain what exactly the issue is? I seem to have lost track of this somewhere...
>  
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SubjectRe: [dq] Over ranking
FromMartin Dickson
DateTue, 12 Jul 2005 12:09:26 +1200
Errol Cavit wrote:

> You _might_ be able to imply a contiguous requirement out of the 
> current version, but I don't think it is worth the effort to  analyse 
> the language in depth, as it wouldn't prove anything (no-one remembers 
> voting on the point).
>
And indeed Andrew has confirmed that it was a clarity re-write only and 
that no voting took place.

    - Martin

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Personal experience:

I often spend the time on a rank in a ritual or weapon (or rarely a skill) but don't have the XP,
next set of ranking I spend the XP and get the rank, or if I've changed my mind about ranking it I
throw out the time spent and have to do it again sometime.

The rule I was told many years ago and have always played is that you can spend the time on one
rank in a skill/spell/ritual/weapon (can do multiple things but only one rank in each) and then
spend the xp within 6 months to complete the ranking and get to use the new rank.

I have also rarely been short a day or two of time, spent the xp, but not used the new rank until
I have been able to complete the ranking time.
And rarely (at low level) have been given xp during adventure to do some ranking mid-adventure
that was required for the adventure or just because we had to wait a while for something.

I don't think I have ever split my time and spent some of the ranking time in one set and then the
rest in the next set.  Not because I thought it was wrong or against the rules, just because it
got trickier to keep track of. :-)

My feeling is that if you have to look at more than two sets of ranking to see the whole picture
or a GM needs more than 10 minutes and a calculator to check your ranking then you can't do it.

Cheers, Stephen.

DSL AK said:
> I'd like to enshrine current practise (within reason). At the moment, do people ranking rituals
> or weapons sometimes spend some of the time, and complete the next rank after the next
> adventure?
>
> I think that (rules to the contrary), this does happen, and people often have a six month time
> limit in mind, or try to complete the rank in a continuous period, excluding adventures. This
> seems reasonably harmless, and allows those people who enjoy (mainly) one character to roleplay
> someone with weapons and/or rituals.
>
>
> Andrew
>
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