SubjectRe: [dq] Racial bonuses and EMs
FromMandos Mitchinson
DateMon, 7 Nov 2005 07:49:22 +1300
> I have tabulated the racial bonuses to estimate the value in EP of
being non-human.
> 
> The notes suggest what factors I used.

Given that immunity to the special effects of Lesser undead actually
means Ghosts cannot scare you, I suspect this is worth less than 5000ep
:)

Mandos
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Subject[dq] Ritual Backfire chance inconsistency (was Rulebook March 2006?)
FromErrol Cavit
DateMon, 7 Nov 2005 10:52:55 +1300
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-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Dickson [mailto:martin.dickson@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 27 October 2005 09:46
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Rulebook March 2006?


On 10/26/05, Errol Cavit < ecavit@tollnz.co.nz <mailto:ecavit@tollnz.co.nz>
> wrote: 


Perhaps identify any tricky issues to deal with as a priority? 
Straight grammar changes etc are probably fine to dump into the wiki
(perhaps a separate page so as not to lose the real rule changes in the
clutter?)


Sounds like a good approach. Many are typos and the like; need to be dealt
with but probably don't need further discussion.  Others require decisions
-- there are several where Andrew has written something like: "this isn't
the way we play it, what should be here?" These require discussion.



 

 The only actual unresolved inconsistency that I found was the Backfire
chance for Rituals (the general case can be over-ruled by specific
descriptions of course) - see extracts below.
 
We should probably vote on this one in December, so what are people's
thoughts? Backfire on +30 or +40 for Rituals?
 
Cheers
Errol
 
 
p25, 3rd column (penultimate para of 7.2 How Magic Works)
...Magical effects from Ritual
Magic tend to be more powerful, prolonged or
delayed than those of Spells. Most rituals require a
Cast Check to determine whether the ritual was successful.
If not otherwise stated in the specific ritual
description, **** a ritual may backfire (roll greater than
Base Change + 30) **** with similar consequences to a
spell. Rituals may also cause a multiple effect similar
to spells.
 
p26, 3rd column (7.7 Backfires)
7.7 Backfires
Particularly inept Spell casts or Ritual performances
may cause backfires. If the Mage's Cast Check fails
by more than 30 for a 5 second Spell preparation,
**** or 40 for a longer Spell preparation or Ritual performance, ****
the Magic backfires.
 

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    <P><FONT size=2>Perhaps identify any tricky issues to deal with as a 
    priority?</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Straight grammar changes etc are probably 
    fine to dump into the wiki (perhaps a separate page so as not to lose the 
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  <DIV><BR>Sounds like a good approach. Many are typos and the like; need to be 
  dealt with but probably don't need further discussion.&nbsp; Others require 
  decisions -- there are several where Andrew has written something like: "this 
  isn't the way we play it, what should be here?" These require 
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<DIV><SPAN class=088555620-06112005>&nbsp;<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>The only actual unresolved inconsistency that I found was the Backfire 
chance for Rituals (the general case can be over-ruled by specific descriptions 
of course) - see extracts below.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=088555620-06112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=088555620-06112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>We 
should probably vote on this one in December, so what are people's thoughts? 
Backfire on +30 or +40 for Rituals?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=088555620-06112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=088555620-06112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Errol</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=088555620-06112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>p25, 
3rd column (penultimate para of 7.2 How Magic Works)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=088555620-06112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>p26, 
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backfires. If the Mage's Cast Check fails<BR>by more than 30 for a 5 second 
Spell preparation,<BR>**** or 40 for a longer Spell preparation or Ritual 
performance, ****<BR>the Magic backfires.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Ritual Backfire chance inconsistency (was Rulebook March 2006?)
FromMandos Mitchinson
DateMon, 7 Nov 2005 11:05:20 +1300
> The only actual unresolved inconsistency that I found was the
> Backfire chance for Rituals (the general case can be over-ruled
> by specific descriptions of course) - see extracts below.
>
> We should probably vote on this one in December, so what are
> people's thoughts? Backfire on +30 or +40 for Rituals?

Based on the more powerful magic angle I think +30 would be the way to
go. Basically both options are valid but I think backfires should be
part of the game and so opt for the lower number. 

Mandos
/s


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SubjectRe: [dq] Ritual Backfire chance inconsistency (was Rulebook March20 06?)
FromErrol Cavit
DateMon, 7 Nov 2005 16:02:57 +1300
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mandos Mitchinson [mailto:MandosM@adhb.govt.nz]
> Sent: Monday, 7 November 2005 11:05
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Ritual Backfire chance inconsistency (was Rulebook
> March 2 006?)
> 
> 
> > The only actual unresolved inconsistency that I found was the
> > Backfire chance for Rituals (the general case can be over-ruled
> > by specific descriptions of course) - see extracts below.
> >
> > We should probably vote on this one in December, so what are
> > people's thoughts? Backfire on +30 or +40 for Rituals?
> 
> Based on the more powerful magic angle I think +30 would be the way to
> go. Basically both options are valid but I think backfires should be
> part of the game and so opt for the lower number. 
> 

I've just noticed in History of Edition 1.3

"October 7, 1999 Change to ritual description in
general magic. Rituals now backfire on BC + 30%
and can double and triple effect."

So presumably the reference to rituals backfiring on 40+ in section 7.7 was
merely overlooked, and no vote is required - just 7.7 needs changing.

Obviously if people feel strongly that it should be 40+, we could vote to
change it.

Cheers
Errol 

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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sent: Monday, 7 November 2005 11:05</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: Re: [dq] Ritual Backfire chance =
inconsistency (was Rulebook</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; March 2 006?)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; The only actual unresolved inconsistency =
that I found was the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Backfire chance for Rituals (the general =
case can be over-ruled</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; by specific descriptions of course) - see =
extracts below.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; We should probably vote on this one in =
December, so what are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; people's thoughts? Backfire on +30 or +40 =
for Rituals?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Based on the more powerful magic angle I think =
+30 would be the way to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; go. Basically both options are valid but I =
think backfires should be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; part of the game and so opt for the lower =
number. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I've just noticed in History of Edition 1.3</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;October 7, 1999 Change to ritual description =
in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>general magic. Rituals now backfire on BC + =
30%</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and can double and triple effect.&quot;</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>So presumably the reference to rituals backfiring on =
40+ in section 7.7 was merely overlooked, and no vote is required - =
just 7.7 needs changing.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Obviously if people feel strongly that it should be =
40+, we could vote to change it.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol </FONT>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Ritual Backfire chance inconsistency (was Rulebook March20 06?)
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DateMon, 7 Nov 2005 16:35:22 +1300
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yay for vigourous change control and tracking systems!

either
7.7 gets deleted / amended to the rules, as per...
or
teh history gets deleted / amended to the rules, as per...

Ian
<fumes quietly that we do not have a searcheable database of decisions/changes/proposals.>


> 
> From: Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz>
> Date: 2005/11/07 Mon PM 04:02:57 GMT+13:00
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Ritual Backfire chance inconsistency (was Rulebook March20
> 	06?)
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mandos Mitchinson [mailto:MandosM@adhb.govt.nz]
> > Sent: Monday, 7 November 2005 11:05
> > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> > Subject: Re: [dq] Ritual Backfire chance inconsistency (was Rulebook
> > March 2 006?)
> > 
> > 
> > > The only actual unresolved inconsistency that I found was the
> > > Backfire chance for Rituals (the general case can be over-ruled
> > > by specific descriptions of course) - see extracts below.
> > >
> > > We should probably vote on this one in December, so what are
> > > people's thoughts? Backfire on +30 or +40 for Rituals?
> > 
> > Based on the more powerful magic angle I think +30 would be the way to
> > go. Basically both options are valid but I think backfires should be
> > part of the game and so opt for the lower number. 
> > 
> 
> I've just noticed in History of Edition 1.3
> 
> "October 7, 1999 Change to ritual description in
> general magic. Rituals now backfire on BC + 30%
> and can double and triple effect."
> 
> So presumably the reference to rituals backfiring on 40+ in section 7.7 was
> merely overlooked, and no vote is required - just 7.7 needs changing.
> 
> Obviously if people feel strongly that it should be 40+, we could vote to
> change it.
> 
> Cheers
> Errol 
> 
> 

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<P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; From: Mandos Mitchinson [<A HREF="mailto:MandosM@adhb.govt.nz">mailto:MandosM@adhb.govt.nz</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Sent: Monday, 7 November 2005 11:05</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Subject: Re: [dq] Ritual Backfire chance inconsistency (was Rulebook</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; March 2 006?)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; The only actual unresolved inconsistency that I found was the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; Backfire chance for Rituals (the general case can be over-ruled</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; by specific descriptions of course) - see extracts below.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; We should probably vote on this one in December, so what are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; people's thoughts? Backfire on +30 or +40 for Rituals?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Based on the more powerful magic angle I think +30 would be the way to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; go. Basically both options are valid but I think backfires should be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; part of the game and so opt for the lower number. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>I've just noticed in History of Edition 1.3</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>&quot;October 7, 1999 Change to ritual description in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>general magic. Rituals now backfire on BC + 30%</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>and can double and triple effect.&quot;</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>So presumably the reference to rituals backfiring on 40+ in section 7.7 was merely overlooked, and no vote is required - just 7.7 needs changing.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Obviously if people feel strongly that it should be 40+, we could vote to change it.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Cheers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Errol </FONT>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Ritual Backfire chance inconsistency (was Rulebook March20 06?)
FromKeith Smith
DateMon, 07 Nov 2005 17:55:31 +1300
><fumes quietly that we do not have a searcheable database of 
>decisions/changes/proposals.>

I could PDF all the minutes I have and make them searchable ... would 
that help?

Keith


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