SubjectRe: [dq] Ritual Backfire chance inconsistency (was Rulebook March20 06?)
From
DateTue, 8 Nov 2005 8:59:26 +1300
gosh, really? seems really simple. what do others think?

> 
> From: Keith Smith <phaeton@ihug.co.nz>
> Date: 2005/11/07 Mon PM 05:55:31 GMT+13:00
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Ritual Backfire chance inconsistency (was Rulebook
>   March20	06?)
> 
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> ><fumes quietly that we do not have a searcheable database of 
> >decisions/changes/proposals.>
> 
> I could PDF all the minutes I have and make them searchable ... would 
> that help?
> 
> Keith
> 
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SubjectRe: [dq] Ritual Backfire chance inconsistency (was RulebookMarch20 06?)
FromErrol Cavit
DateTue, 8 Nov 2005 09:05:12 +1300 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Smith [mailto:phaeton@ihug.co.nz]
> Sent: Monday, 7 November 2005 17:56
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Ritual Backfire chance inconsistency (was
> RulebookMarch20 06?)
> 
> 
> 
> ><fumes quietly that we do not have a searcheable database of 
> >decisions/changes/proposals.>
> 
> I could PDF all the minutes I have and make them searchable ... would 
> that help?
> 
> Keith
> 

The minutes only provide a small part of the jigsaw (especially as they
often refer to other documents, and don't contain the detail of changes).
But yes, having a place where we could search for e.g. "backfire" would be
useful.

Perhaps a pdf or html document containing just the rules decisions prior to
us starting to record them on the wiki?

Cheers
Errol

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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; From: Keith Smith [<A =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sent: Monday, 7 November 2005 17:56</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: Re: [dq] Ritual Backfire chance =
inconsistency (was</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; RulebookMarch20 06?)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;&lt;fumes quietly that we do not have a =
searcheable database of </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;decisions/changes/proposals.&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I could PDF all the minutes I have and make =
them searchable ... would </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; that help?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Keith</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The minutes only provide a small part of the jigsaw =
(especially as they often refer to other documents, and don't contain =
the detail of changes). But yes, having a place where we could search =
for e.g. &quot;backfire&quot; would be useful.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Perhaps a pdf or html document containing just the =
rules decisions prior to us starting to record them on the wiki?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT>
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Subject[dq] Character Tribunal email addresses please
FromJonathan Bean -TME
DateTue, 8 Nov 2005 13:17:10 +1300
Hi all,
I would like to get the contact email addresses for the Character Tribunal
please.

Kind regards,

Jono


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SubjectRe: [dq] Character Tribunal email addresses please
FromMandos Mitchinson
DateTue, 8 Nov 2005 13:29:24 +1300
> I would like to get the contact email addresses for the 
> Character Tribunal please.

Mandos    Charactertribunal@dragonquest.org.nz
William   dworkin@ihug.co.nz 
Ian       dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz

Mandos
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Subject[dq] Other Tribunals.
FromMandos Mitchinson
DateTue, 8 Nov 2005 13:55:48 +1300
Just as a thought....not that they will be required (touch wood) but do
we have a confirmed third person for the Grevance tribunal at the
moment?

If not should it be raised as an item at the Guild meeting. 

Mandos
/s


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SubjectRe: [dq] Other Tribunals.
FromErrol Cavit
DateTue, 8 Nov 2005 14:14:57 +1300 
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Do the tribunals etc have group e-mail addresses @dq.sf.org.nz?
These should be on their Wiki pages (suitably spam-protected), Players
Guide, GM Guide.

Cheers
Errol

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2005 13:56
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> Subject: [dq] Other Tribunals. 
> 
> 
> 
> Just as a thought....not that they will be required (touch 
> wood) but do
> we have a confirmed third person for the Grevance tribunal at the
> moment?
> 
> If not should it be raised as an item at the Guild meeting. 
> 
> Mandos
> /s
> 
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Do the tribunals etc have group e-mail addresses @dq.sf.org.nz?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>These should be on their Wiki pages (suitably spam-protected), Players Guide, GM Guide.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Cheers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Errol</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; From: Mandos Mitchinson [<A HREF="mailto:MandosM@adhb.govt.nz">mailto:MandosM@adhb.govt.nz</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2005 13:56</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Subject: [dq] Other Tribunals. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Just as a thought....not that they will be required (touch </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; wood) but do</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; we have a confirmed third person for the Grevance tribunal at the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; moment?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; If not should it be raised as an item at the Guild meeting. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Mandos</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; /s</FONT>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Other Tribunals.
FromMandos Mitchinson
DateTue, 8 Nov 2005 14:23:01 +1300
> Do the tribunals etc have group e-mail addresses @dq.sf.org.nz? 
> These should be on their Wiki pages (suitably spam-protected), Players
Guide, GM Guide. 

The campaign committee has campaign@dragonquest.org.nz 

The Character tribunal is not really a group endeavour as people can
simply approach one member to get something done. 

Havn't been involved with the Grevance at all but if someone on there
wants me to set up an address I can do. 

Mandos
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Subject[dq] Spy & Thief Discount
FromErrol Cavit
DateTue, 8 Nov 2005 15:55:33 +1300 
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While I think of it, technically we need a vote to remove the para (below)
in Thief about getting a discount if ranked higher in Spy. Spy no longer has
a large ability overlap with Thief.

Anyone have any problem with leaving characters' existing ranks and EP spend
as is?

Cheers
Errol
PS Darien saved 1200ep learning low ranks of Spy.

47.2 Benefits
If a character's Rank as a thief is greater then
their Rank as a spy, the character expends one half
the necessary Experience Points to acquire or
improve the latter skill.
The reverse is also true.

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>While I think of it, technically we need a vote to =
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higher in Spy. Spy no longer has a large ability overlap with =
Thief.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Anyone have any problem with leaving characters' =
existing ranks and EP spend as is?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>PS Darien saved 1200ep learning low ranks of =
Spy.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>47.2 Benefits</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>If a character's Rank as a thief is greater =
then</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>their Rank as a spy, the character expends one =
half</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the necessary Experience Points to acquire or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>improve the latter skill.</FONT>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Spy & Thief Discount
FromAndrew\ Withy\ \(DSL\ AK\)
DateTue, 8 Nov 2005 16:10:00 +1300
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We put the Spy/Thief cross discount on-hold (by vote) as soon as Spy hit
playtest, or even pre-playtest.
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Can we just put it into the rules based on that vote, or am I too loose?
Does anyone have any objection to removing the discount?
=20
Andrew

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	From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On
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	Subject: [dq] Spy & Thief Discount
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	While I think of it, technically we need a vote to remove the
para (below) in Thief about getting a discount if ranked higher in Spy.
Spy no longer has a large ability overlap with Thief.

	Anyone have any problem with leaving characters' existing ranks
and EP spend as is?=20

	Cheers=20
	Errol=20
	PS Darien saved 1200ep learning low ranks of Spy.=20

	47.2 Benefits=20
	If a character's Rank as a thief is greater then=20
	their Rank as a spy, the character expends one half=20
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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</B>Errol=20
  Cavit<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 8 November 2005 3:56 p.m.<BR><B>To:</B> =

  dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> [dq] Spy &amp; Thief=20
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  <P><FONT size=3D2>While I think of it, technically we need a vote to =
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  para (below) in Thief about getting a discount if ranked higher in =
Spy. Spy no=20
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  <P><FONT size=3D2>Anyone have any problem with leaving characters' =
existing=20
  ranks and EP spend as is?</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>Cheers</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Errol</FONT> =
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  size=3D2>PS Darien saved 1200ep learning low ranks of Spy.</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>47.2 Benefits</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>If a =
character's Rank as=20
  a thief is greater then</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>their Rank as a spy, =
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  character expends one half</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>the necessary =
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SubjectRe: [dq] Spy & Thief Discount
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Automatic adoption is a little fast and loose for my taste, as we are going to have a rules fest already.

i feel we should add it to the list of changes, as part of the thief/spy omnibus, with a small paragraph explaining that we are merely making the change permanent to reflect the newly permanent rules...

At least i hope we will group changes by relevant co-relation?

Ian

> 
> From: "Andrew\ Withy\ \(DSL\ AK\)" <AndrewW@datacom.co.nz>
> Date: 2005/11/08 Tue PM 04:10:00 GMT+13:00
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Spy & Thief Discount
> 
> We put the Spy/Thief cross discount on-hold (by vote) as soon as Spy hit
> playtest, or even pre-playtest.
>  
> Can we just put it into the rules based on that vote, or am I too loose?
> Does anyone have any objection to removing the discount?
>  
> Andrew
> 
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On
> Behalf Of Errol Cavit
> 	Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2005 3:56 p.m.
> 	To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> 	Subject: [dq] Spy & Thief Discount
> 	
> 	
> 
> 	While I think of it, technically we need a vote to remove the
> para (below) in Thief about getting a discount if ranked higher in Spy.
> Spy no longer has a large ability overlap with Thief.
> 
> 	Anyone have any problem with leaving characters' existing ranks
> and EP spend as is? 
> 
> 	Cheers 
> 	Errol 
> 	PS Darien saved 1200ep learning low ranks of Spy. 
> 
> 	47.2 Benefits 
> 	If a character's Rank as a thief is greater then 
> 	their Rank as a spy, the character expends one half 
> 	the necessary Experience Points to acquire or 
> 	improve the latter skill. 
> 	The reverse is also true. 
> 
> 
> 

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<DIV><SPAN class=080310803-08112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>We put 
the Spy/Thief cross discount on-hold (by vote) as soon as Spy hit playtest, or 
even pre-playtest.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=080310803-08112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=080310803-08112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Can we 
just put it into the rules based on that vote, or am I too loose? Does anyone 
have any objection to removing the discount?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=080310803-08112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=080310803-08112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Andrew</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT 
  face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
  dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Errol 
  Cavit<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 8 November 2005 3:56 p.m.<BR><B>To:</B> 
  dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> [dq] Spy &amp; Thief 
  Discount<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <P><FONT size=2>While I think of it, technically we need a vote to remove the 
  para (below) in Thief about getting a discount if ranked higher in Spy. Spy no 
  longer has a large ability overlap with Thief.</FONT></P>
  <P><FONT size=2>Anyone have any problem with leaving characters' existing 
  ranks and EP spend as is?</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT size=2>Cheers</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Errol</FONT> <BR><FONT 
  size=2>PS Darien saved 1200ep learning low ranks of Spy.</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT size=2>47.2 Benefits</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>If a character's Rank as 
  a thief is greater then</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>their Rank as a spy, the 
  character expends one half</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>the necessary Experience 
  Points to acquire or</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>improve the latter skill.</FONT> 
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Subject[dq] Rulebook change layout (was [dq] Spy & Thief Discount)
FromErrol Cavit
DateTue, 8 Nov 2005 16:56:05 +1300 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz [mailto:dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz]
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:21
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Spy & Thief Discount
> 
> 
> 
> Automatic adoption is a little fast and loose for my taste, 
> as we are going to have a rules fest already.
> 
> i feel we should add it to the list of changes, as part of 
> the thief/spy omnibus, with a small paragraph explaining that 
> we are merely making the change permanent to reflect the 
> newly permanent rules...
> 
> At least i hope we will group changes by relevant co-relation?
> 


<snip>

I've been vaguely thinking about this. James etc require a list of detailed
Rulebook changes in page order, to make updating the master document as easy
(and error-free) as possible. However this isn't the best way to show actual
Rule changes (e.g. additional sub-skill text changes are on multiple
separated Rulebook pages).

Therefore I was thinking we need a new Wiki(?) page for the detailed changes
(with a sub-section for each DQ Rulebook document page or Rules section?). 
Perfection would probably include the old and new text, but I don't know how
easy this is in wiki.
Actual rule changes (that required a vote) on the detailed change page would
have a reference to the relevant existing 'Pending Rules Changes' subsection
(which probably needs its contents moved to 'Rule changes in 2006 Rulebook'
or something).

Thoughts and suggestions?

Errol

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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:21</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: Re: [dq] Spy &amp; Thief =
Discount</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Automatic adoption is a little fast and loose =
for my taste, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; as we are going to have a rules fest =
already.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; i feel we should add it to the list of changes, =
as part of </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; the thief/spy omnibus, with a small paragraph =
explaining that </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; we are merely making the change permanent to =
reflect the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; newly permanent rules...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; At least i hope we will group changes by =
relevant co-relation?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&lt;snip&gt;</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I've been vaguely thinking about this. James etc =
require a list of detailed Rulebook changes in page order, to make =
updating the master document as easy (and error-free) as possible. =
However this isn't the best way to show actual Rule changes (e.g. =
additional sub-skill text changes are on multiple separated Rulebook =
pages).</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Therefore I was thinking we need a new Wiki(?) page =
for the detailed changes (with a sub-section for each DQ Rulebook =
document page or Rules section?). </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Perfection would probably include the old and new =
text, but I don't know how easy this is in wiki.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Actual rule changes (that required a vote) on the =
detailed change page would have a reference to the relevant existing =
'Pending Rules Changes' subsection (which probably needs its contents =
moved to 'Rule changes in 2006 Rulebook' or something).</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thoughts and suggestions?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT>
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