SubjectRe: [dq] Spy & Thief Discount
FromMartin Dickson
DateWed, 9 Nov 2005 09:31:30 +1300
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On 11/8/05, Andrew Withy (DSL AK) <AndrewW@datacom.co.nz> wrote:
>
> We put the Spy/Thief cross discount on-hold (by vote) as soon as Spy hit
> playtest, or even pre-playtest.
>  Can we just put it into the rules based on that vote, or am I too loose?
> Does anyone have any objection to removing the discount?
>

If the plan was to ditch the discount once one, or both, of the skills
changed substantially -- and the reason for the discount was removed. And
this plan was voted in (per Andrew), and now Spy has been voted in... is
there any reason to believe that the discount _should_ be retained?

Or is it obvious from the previous vote that with the inclusion of new Spy
in the rules the cross-over discount must perforce be dropped?

Doesn't seem at all fast or loose to me to go this path.

Cheers,
Martin

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<div><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">We put=20
the Spy/Thief cross discount on-hold (by vote) as soon as Spy hit playtest,=
 or=20
even pre-playtest.</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font></span>=
&nbsp;</div>
<div><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Can we=20
just put it into the rules based on that vote, or am I too loose? Does anyo=
ne=20
have any objection to removing the discount?</font></span></div></blockquot=
e><div><br>If the plan was to ditch the discount once one, or both, of the =
skills changed substantially -- and the reason for the discount was removed=
.&nbsp; And this plan was voted in (per Andrew), and now Spy has been voted=
 in...&nbsp; is there any reason to believe that the discount _should_ be r=
etained?
<br><br>Or is it obvious from the previous vote that with the inclusion of =
new Spy in the rules the cross-over discount must perforce be dropped?<br><=
br>Doesn't seem at all fast or loose to me to go this path.<br><br>Cheers,
<br>Martin<br></div></div><br>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Rulebook change layout (was [dq] Spy & Thief Discount)
FromMartin Dickson
DateWed, 9 Nov 2005 09:33:41 +1300
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On 11/8/05, Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz> wrote:
>
> Perfection would probably include the old and new text, but I don't know
> how easy this is in wiki.
>

If the texts are not huge then a tabular layout with side-by-side compariso=
n
should be fine.

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<p><font size=3D"2">Perfection would probably include the old and new text,=
 but I don't know how easy this is in wiki.</font></p></blockquote><div><br=
>If the texts are not huge then a tabular layout with side-by-side comparis=
on should be fine.
<br></div></div><br>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Rulebook change layout (was [dq] Spy & Thief Discount)
FromErrol Cavit
DateWed, 9 Nov 2005 10:13:03 +1300 
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On 11/8/05, Errol Cavit < ecavit@tollnz.co.nz <mailto:ecavit@tollnz.co.nz> >
wrote: 


Perfection would probably include the old and new text, but I don't know how
easy this is in wiki.


If the texts are not huge then a tabular layout with side-by-side comparison
should be fine. 


 

Can someone point me to a page in the wiki that has something similar (say 3
columns, with multiple lines within cells)? I want to get a feel of how much
hassle the actual data entry would be. The couple of table examples I found
only have a single line in each cell.
 
Thanks
Errol 

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  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Martin Dickson 
  [mailto:martin.dickson@gmail.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 9 November 2005 
  09:34<BR><B>To:</B> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Rulebook 
  change layout (was [dq] Spy &amp; Thief Discount)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>On 
  11/8/05, <B class=gmail_sendername>Errol Cavit</B> &lt;<A 
  href="mailto:ecavit@tollnz.co.nz">ecavit@tollnz.co.nz</A>&gt; wrote:
  <DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote></SPAN>
  <BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote 
  style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
    <P><FONT size=2>Perfection would probably include the old and new text, but 
    I don't know how easy this is in wiki.</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV><BR>If the texts are not huge then a tabular layout with side-by-side 
  comparison should be fine. <BR></DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><BR><SPAN class=64074820-08112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><SPAN class=64074820-08112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Can 
someone point me to a page in the wiki that has something similar (say 3 
columns, with multiple lines within cells)? I want to get a feel of how much 
hassle the actual data entry would be. The couple of table examples I found only 
have a single line in each cell.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=64074820-08112005></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=64074820-08112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Thanks</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Rulebook change layout (was [dq] Spy & Thief Discount)
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general help on loading tables would be good! or do you have to load a pdf image?

Ian
> 
> From: Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz>
> Date: 2005/11/09 Wed AM 10:13:03 GMT+13:00
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Rulebook change layout (was [dq] Spy & Thief Discount)
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Dickson [mailto:martin.dickson@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2005 09:34
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Rulebook change layout (was [dq] Spy & Thief Discount)
> 
> 
> On 11/8/05, Errol Cavit < ecavit@tollnz.co.nz <mailto:ecavit@tollnz.co.nz> >
> wrote: 
> 
> 
> Perfection would probably include the old and new text, but I don't know how
> easy this is in wiki.
> 
> 
> If the texts are not huge then a tabular layout with side-by-side comparison
> should be fine. 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Can someone point me to a page in the wiki that has something similar (say 3
> columns, with multiple lines within cells)? I want to get a feel of how much
> hassle the actual data entry would be. The couple of table examples I found
> only have a single line in each cell.
>  
> Thanks
> Errol 
> 
> 

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  [mailto:martin.dickson@gmail.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 9 November 2005 
  09:34<BR><B>To:</B> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Rulebook 
  change layout (was [dq] Spy &amp; Thief Discount)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>On 
  11/8/05, <B class=gmail_sendername>Errol Cavit</B> &lt;<A 
  href="mailto:ecavit@tollnz.co.nz">ecavit@tollnz.co.nz</A>&gt; wrote:
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    <P><FONT size=2>Perfection would probably include the old and new text, but 
    I don't know how easy this is in wiki.</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV><BR>If the texts are not huge then a tabular layout with side-by-side 
  comparison should be fine. <BR></DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><BR><SPAN class=64074820-08112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><SPAN class=64074820-08112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Can 
someone point me to a page in the wiki that has something similar (say 3 
columns, with multiple lines within cells)? I want to get a feel of how much 
hassle the actual data entry would be. The couple of table examples I found only 
have a single line in each cell.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=64074820-08112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Thanks</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Rulebook change layout (was [dq] Spy & Thief Discount)
FromKeith Smith
DateWed, 09 Nov 2005 10:38:25 +1300
>Can someone point me to a page in the wiki that has something 
>similar (say 3 columns, with multiple lines within cells)? I want to 
>get a feel of how much hassle the actual data entry would be. The 
>couple of table examples I found only have a single line in each cell.

I presume if a Wiki table cell is anything like an HTML one, then any 
extra text that would exceed the cell boundaries should wrap to the 
next line within the cell. Hence, multi line entry should be reasonably simple.

Of course, I could be wrong ...

Keith


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SubjectRe: [dq] Rulebook change layout (was [dq] Spy & Thief Discount)
FromMartin Dickson
DateWed, 9 Nov 2005 11:32:33 +1300
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On 11/9/05, Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
> Can someone point me to a page in the wiki that has something similar (sa=
y
> 3 columns, with multiple lines within cells)? I want to get a feel of how
> much hassle the actual data entry would be. The couple of table examples =
I
> found only have a single line in each cell.
>

Slightly more complex table example now available:
http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Help:Contents#Tables

For full help see the MediaWiki help on tables:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table

Cheers,
Martin

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<div></div><br><div><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"=
>Can=20
someone point me to a page in the wiki that has something similar (say 3=20
columns, with multiple lines within cells)? I want to get a feel of how muc=
h=20
hassle the actual data entry would be. The couple of table examples I found=
 only=20
have a single line in each cell.</font></span></div></blockquote><div><br>S=
lightly more complex table example now available:<br><a href=3D"http://www.=
dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Help:Contents#Tables">http://www.dragon=
quest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Help:Contents#Tables
</a><br><br>For full help see the MediaWiki help on tables:<br><a href=3D"h=
ttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table">http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/He=
lp:Table</a><br><br>Cheers,<br>Martin<br></div></div><br>

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Subject[dq] Wiki Help - 3 Column Table
FromStephen Martin
DateWed, 9 Nov 2005 11:49:32 +1300 (NZDT)
Have a look at my user page on the wiki, I've added a couple of 3 column multi line tables as an
example.
http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/User:Stephen

Errol Cavit said:
>
> Can someone point me to a page in the wiki that has something similar (say 3 columns, with
> multiple lines within cells)? I want to get a feel of how much hassle the actual data entry
> would be. The couple of table examples I found only have a single line in each cell.
>
> Thanks
> Errol


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SubjectRe: [dq] Wiki Help - 3 Column Table
FromErrol Cavit
DateWed, 9 Nov 2005 12:19:50 +1300 
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(leaving on the list as is of general interest)

That's very useful, thanks.

Looking at the stuff about widths
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table#Setting_your_column_widths

If I specify the widths (as would seem a good idea for this exercise),
what's a good max total to specify - 700 pixels? (checking it looks OK on my
wide-screen laptop won't help much!)

Time to download OpenOffice 2.0 I think.

Cheers
Errol

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Martin [mailto:stephenm@castle.pointclark.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2005 11:50
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: [dq] Wiki Help - 3 Column Table
> 
> 
> Have a look at my user page on the wiki, I've added a couple 
> of 3 column multi line tables as an
> example.
> http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/User:Stephen
> 
> Errol Cavit said:
> >
> > Can someone point me to a page in the wiki that has 
> something similar (say 3 columns, with
> > multiple lines within cells)? I want to get a feel of how 
> much hassle the actual data entry
> > would be. The couple of table examples I found only have a 
> single line in each cell.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Errol
> 
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>(leaving on the list as is of general =
interest)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>That's very useful, thanks.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Looking at the stuff about widths</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A =
HREF=3D"http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table#Setting_your_column_wi=
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If I specify the widths (as would seem a good idea =
for this exercise), what's a good max total to specify - 700 pixels? =
(checking it looks OK on my wide-screen laptop won't help =
much!)</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Time to download OpenOffice 2.0 I think.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; From: Stephen Martin [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:stephenm@castle.pointclark.net">mailto:stephenm@castle.po=
intclark.net</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2005 11:50</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: [dq] Wiki Help - 3 Column Table</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Have a look at my user page on the wiki, I've =
added a couple </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; of 3 column multi line tables as an</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; example.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/User:Stephen" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/User:St=
ephen</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Errol Cavit said:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Can someone point me to a page in the wiki =
that has </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; something similar (say 3 columns, with</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; multiple lines within cells)? I want to =
get a feel of how </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; much hassle the actual data entry</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; would be. The couple of table examples I =
found only have a </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; single line in each cell.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Thanks</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Errol</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
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FromBernard Hoggins
DateWed, 9 Nov 2005 10:36:38 +1100 (EST)
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To my experience, typically you can define widths an percentages of the total screen, so it comes out spaced equally regardless of screen width, even if not the same amount of pixels.

Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz> wrote:
(leaving on the list as is of general interest) 

That's very useful, thanks. 

Looking at the stuff about widths 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table#Setting_your_column_widths 

If I specify the widths (as would seem a good idea for this exercise), what's a good max total to specify - 700 pixels? (checking it looks OK on my wide-screen laptop won't help much!)

Time to download OpenOffice 2.0 I think. 

Cheers 
Errol 



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<DIV>To my experience, typically you can define widths an percentages of the total screen, so it comes out spaced equally regardless of screen width, even if not the same amount of pixels.<BR><BR><B><I>Errol Cavit &lt;ecavit@tollnz.co.nz&gt;</I></B> wrote:
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<P><FONT size=2>That's very useful, thanks.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Looking at the stuff about widths</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><A href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table#Setting_your_column_widths" target=_blank>http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table#Setting_your_column_widths</A></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>If I specify the widths (as would seem a good idea for this exercise), what's a good max total to specify - 700 pixels? (checking it looks OK on my wide-screen laptop won't help much!)</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>Time to download OpenOffice 2.0 I think.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Cheers</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Errol</FONT> </P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>From Bernard Hoggins<br>nevyn0ad@yahoo.co.uk<p>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Wiki Help - 3 Column Table
FromStephen Martin
DateWed, 9 Nov 2005 13:43:55 +1300 (NZDT)
Generally my advice is not to set specific widths, or if you must then use percentages as this
allows the browser to resize the content to best-fit the end users screen.

One reason to use specific absolute-measure widths is when you want to force a wide display even
if the users screen is not big enough.  Most of the time, most browsers cope with this and will
add horizontal scroll bars so the page can be scrolled to see all of the content.  The big
downside to this is that then you often can't print the page as it is too wide for the paper.

But to answer your specific question, it depends...
You could optimise for 800x600 which is a safe lowest level (VERY few people still use 640x480).
Or you could assume that most people use at least 1024x768 (which I'll go with).
The side bar in the wiki uses about 100px, and you need to allow 20-30px for window borders,
scroll bars, etc.  This leaves us about 900px to play with.
If you want one column displaying at a time then 900px is your width.  If you want to see two side
by side then 450px is your limit.  If you want to see 3 columns then 330px each.

Cheers, Stephen.

Errol Cavit said:
> (leaving on the list as is of general interest)
>
> That's very useful, thanks.
>
> Looking at the stuff about widths
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table#Setting_your_column_widths
>
> If I specify the widths (as would seem a good idea for this exercise), what's a good max total
> to specify - 700 pixels? (checking it looks OK on my wide-screen laptop won't help much!)
>
> Time to download OpenOffice 2.0 I think.
>
> Cheers
> Errol
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stephen Martin [mailto:stephenm@castle.pointclark.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2005 11:50
>> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
>> Subject: [dq] Wiki Help - 3 Column Table
>>
>>
>> Have a look at my user page on the wiki, I've added a couple
>> of 3 column multi line tables as an
>> example.
>> http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/User:Stephen
>>
>> Errol Cavit said:
>> >
>> > Can someone point me to a page in the wiki that has
>> something similar (say 3 columns, with
>> > multiple lines within cells)? I want to get a feel of how
>> much hassle the actual data entry
>> > would be. The couple of table examples I found only have a
>> single line in each cell.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Errol
>>
>>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Wiki Help - 3 Column Table
FromErrol Cavit
DateWed, 9 Nov 2005 14:47:35 +1300 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Martin [mailto:stephenm@castle.pointclark.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2005 13:44
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Wiki Help - 3 Column Table
> 
> 
> Generally my advice is not to set specific widths, or if you 
> must then use percentages as this
> allows the browser to resize the content to best-fit the end 
> users screen.
> 

Any idea of the wiki syntax for %age? The wiki example uses Width=nnnpx for
pixels, plus Width="nnn" (which looks to be pixels, or may be 10ths of a %?
Points?). I assume a OK HTML editor will include this sort of thing in the
help.

Default looks to be longest text, but it will wrap at some stage. For this
exercise we would like the 'Old' and 'New' columns to be the same, so
leaving it to the browser/wiki unspecified logic to make a call is probably
unwise. 




> One reason to use specific absolute-measure widths is when 
> you want to force a wide display even
> if the users screen is not big enough.  Most of the time, 
> most browsers cope with this and will
> add horizontal scroll bars so the page can be scrolled to see 
> all of the content.  The big
> downside to this is that then you often can't print the page 
> as it is too wide for the paper.
> 
> But to answer your specific question, it depends...
> You could optimise for 800x600 which is a safe lowest level 
> (VERY few people still use 640x480).
> Or you could assume that most people use at least 1024x768 
> (which I'll go with).
> The side bar in the wiki uses about 100px, and you need to 
> allow 20-30px for window borders,
> scroll bars, etc.  This leaves us about 900px to play with.
> If you want one column displaying at a time then 900px is 
> your width.  If you want to see two side
> by side then 450px is your limit.  If you want to see 3 
> columns then 330px each.
> 

Right, so eg 100px for Rulebook section num etc, then 380px and 380px

Using percents just lose the trailing zero.



An alternative to the table is to just list down the page:

Section#, para#, sentence#
"Old text"
"New text"

but once the table setup is done, adding a | to the start of each line, and
|- between edit items should give a good readability of output payoff for
reasonably small additional wiki-editing hassle.


Cheers
Errol

> Cheers, Stephen.
> 
> Errol Cavit said:
> > (leaving on the list as is of general interest)
> >
> > That's very useful, thanks.
> >
> > Looking at the stuff about widths
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table#Setting_your_column_widths
> >
> > If I specify the widths (as would seem a good idea for this 
> exercise), what's a good max total
> > to specify - 700 pixels? (checking it looks OK on my 
> wide-screen laptop won't help much!)
> >
> > Time to download OpenOffice 2.0 I think.
> >
> 

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; One reason to use specific absolute-measure =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; you want to force a wide display even</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; But to answer your specific question, it =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; You could optimise for 800x600 which is a safe =
lowest level </FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; allow 20-30px for window borders,</FONT>
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900px to play with.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; If you want one column displaying at a time =
then 900px is </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; your width.&nbsp; If you want to see two =
side</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Right, so eg 100px for Rulebook section num etc, then =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;Old text&quot;</FONT>
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</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>but once the table setup is done, adding a | to the =
start of each line, and |- between edit items should give a good =
readability of output payoff for reasonably small additional =
wiki-editing hassle.</FONT></P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Cheers, Stephen.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Errol Cavit said:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; (leaving on the list as is of general =
interest)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; That's very useful, thanks.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; wide-screen laptop won't help much!)</FONT>
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Subject[dq] At the Guild on the 3rd?
FromJonathan Bean -TME
DateWed, 9 Nov 2005 14:48:25 +1300
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Hi all,

I am really enjoying Jon McSpaddens extreme level game he is running centred
around Rashak and TDC. I also realy like the system and style of scribe
notes that Andrew Luxton put out on the wiki. I think they are very helpful.
The URL is:
            http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Not_all_water_is_
wet

Jono

And also;
In the hope that when we make it back to Seagate to change suits of armour;
I am (Engalton is ) wondering is there any highly ranked armours about at
the guild three days after the guild meeting on the 3rd at about 4pm that
are looking for work?

Also I am looking for ways to remove high MA curses off people, and does
anyone have any form of protection from death curses or any way of repairing
armour quickly in combat?

Thanks
Engalton




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SubjectRe: [dq] Wiki Help - 3 Column Table
FromStephen Martin
DateWed, 9 Nov 2005 15:24:21 +1300 (NZDT)
Standard html units of measure apply.
Percentage is defined by a % suffix.  E.g. width=50%
Cell width is assumed to be in pixels unless you specify another format.  E.g. width=100 ==
width=100px

Other UOMs you can use are..
Relative:
    * em (ems, the height of the element's font)
    * ex (x-height, the height of the letter "x")
    * px (pixels, relative to the canvas resolution)
Absolute:
    * in (inches; 1in=2.54cm)
    * cm (centimeters; 1cm=10mm)
    * mm (millimeters)
    * pt (points; 1pt=1/72in)
    * pc (picas; 1pc=12pt)

For this I would suggest widths of 10% for the section number and 45% for each of the other two
columns.  NB These are percentages of the table width, not the screen size.

This is my favourite online HTML syntax reference.
http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/


Errol Cavit said:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stephen Martin [mailto:stephenm@castle.pointclark.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2005 13:44
>> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
>> Subject: Re: [dq] Wiki Help - 3 Column Table
>>
>>
>> Generally my advice is not to set specific widths, or if you
>> must then use percentages as this
>> allows the browser to resize the content to best-fit the end
>> users screen.
>>
>
> Any idea of the wiki syntax for %age? The wiki example uses Width=nnnpx for pixels, plus
> Width="nnn" (which looks to be pixels, or may be 10ths of a %? Points?). I assume a OK HTML
> editor will include this sort of thing in the help.
>
> Default looks to be longest text, but it will wrap at some stage. For this exercise we would
> like the 'Old' and 'New' columns to be the same, so leaving it to the browser/wiki unspecified
> logic to make a call is probably unwise.
>
>
>
>
>> One reason to use specific absolute-measure widths is when
>> you want to force a wide display even
>> if the users screen is not big enough.  Most of the time,
>> most browsers cope with this and will
>> add horizontal scroll bars so the page can be scrolled to see
>> all of the content.  The big
>> downside to this is that then you often can't print the page
>> as it is too wide for the paper.
>>
>> But to answer your specific question, it depends...
>> You could optimise for 800x600 which is a safe lowest level
>> (VERY few people still use 640x480).
>> Or you could assume that most people use at least 1024x768
>> (which I'll go with).
>> The side bar in the wiki uses about 100px, and you need to
>> allow 20-30px for window borders,
>> scroll bars, etc.  This leaves us about 900px to play with.
>> If you want one column displaying at a time then 900px is
>> your width.  If you want to see two side
>> by side then 450px is your limit.  If you want to see 3
>> columns then 330px each.
>>
>
> Right, so eg 100px for Rulebook section num etc, then 380px and 380px
>
> Using percents just lose the trailing zero.
>
>
>
> An alternative to the table is to just list down the page:
>
> Section#, para#, sentence#
> "Old text"
> "New text"
>
> but once the table setup is done, adding a | to the start of each line, and |- between edit
> items should give a good readability of output payoff for reasonably small additional
> wiki-editing hassle.
>
>
> Cheers
> Errol
>
>> Cheers, Stephen.
>>
>> Errol Cavit said:
>> > (leaving on the list as is of general interest)
>> >
>> > That's very useful, thanks.
>> >
>> > Looking at the stuff about widths
>> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table#Setting_your_column_widths
>> >
>> > If I specify the widths (as would seem a good idea for this
>> exercise), what's a good max total
>> > to specify - 700 pixels? (checking it looks OK on my
>> wide-screen laptop won't help much!)
>> >
>> > Time to download OpenOffice 2.0 I think.
>> >
>>


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SubjectRe: [dq-pub] At the Guild on the 3rd?
FromStephen Martin
DateWed, 9 Nov 2005 15:57:54 +1300 (NZDT)
[OOC but the pub seemed more appropriate than the main list]

Binder General Spell: Mending can be used to quickly repair spec grev damage in armour but the
standard Armourer repair rules apply, to repair the armour to its former quality the caster must
have sufficient skill to create such armour.  In my experience this is usually played as reducing
the effective rank of the armour to that of the caster until it is properly repaired by someone
with sufficient skill.
There is also a target weight limit on the spell, but rk 6 (70 lbs) covers most armour.
Mending does not restore magic to magic armour that has lost its mojo, and may not work on magic
armour that is still enchanted.

The guild binder (Hyram Tallfellow) is a toymaker by trade and preference, from memory he has some
skill in Mechanician but minimal skill in anything as practical as Armourer.

Thaeuss is a Rk 4 Armourer, has Rk 6 Mending, does not invest, and will be within locate range of
the guild on the 3rd and contactable.  P.O.A. but traditionally he charges extortionately.

I can't speak for the Armourer skill of any other Binders.


The standard time for Armourers to fix armour without the use of magic is 0.5 days (for
cloth/leather) to 20 days (for mithril).  So your chances of getting it repaired overnight are
slim.

Cheers, Stephen.

Jonathan Bean -TME said:
> In the hope that when we make it back to Seagate to change suits of armour; I am (Engalton is )
> wondering is there any highly ranked armours about at the guild three days after the guild
> meeting on the 3rd at about 4pm that are looking for work?
>
> Also I am looking for ways to remove high MA curses off people, and does anyone have any form of
> protection from death curses or any way of repairing armour quickly in combat?
>
> Thanks
> Engalton


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SubjectRe: [dq-pub] At the Guild on the 3rd?
FromMandos Mitchinson
DateWed, 9 Nov 2005 18:09:58 +1300
> Also I am looking for ways to remove high MA curses off people, and does
anyone have any form of
> protection from death curses or any way of repairing armour quickly in
combat?

I can do up to MA 42 Curses and my base chance is excellent.

I will not be around on the 3rd but if you are still looking a week or two
later I may be around.

For people fighting the DC they are of course free.

Dramus


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SubjectRe: [dq-pub] At the Guild on the 3rd?
FromHelen Saggers
DateWed, 9 Nov 2005 21:00:05 +1300
Sorry, Rowan cant help you there either. Although she has one more rank in
mending than Thaeuss, she has no skill in Armorer.
I hope she will be gainfully employed (by someone other than Engalton) by
the Third.
It been a very productive spring but she needs a holiday, unfortunately it
will have to be a working holiday as she has very little cash. (And no Ep
left and without Ep she can't do any more ranking.)

Helen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Martin" <stephenm@castle.pointclark.net>
To: <dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [dq-pub] At the Guild on the 3rd?


> [OOC but the pub seemed more appropriate than the main list]
>
> Binder General Spell: Mending can be used to quickly repair spec grev
damage in armour but the
> standard Armourer repair rules apply, to repair the armour to its former
quality the caster must
> have sufficient skill to create such armour.  In my experience this is
usually played as reducing
> the effective rank of the armour to that of the caster until it is
properly repaired by someone
> with sufficient skill.
> There is also a target weight limit on the spell, but rk 6 (70 lbs) covers
most armour.
> Mending does not restore magic to magic armour that has lost its mojo, and
may not work on magic
> armour that is still enchanted.
>
> The guild binder (Hyram Tallfellow) is a toymaker by trade and preference,
from memory he has some
> skill in Mechanician but minimal skill in anything as practical as
Armourer.
>
> Thaeuss is a Rk 4 Armourer, has Rk 6 Mending, does not invest, and will be
within locate range of
> the guild on the 3rd and contactable.  P.O.A. but traditionally he charges
extortionately.
>
> I can't speak for the Armourer skill of any other Binders.
>
>
> The standard time for Armourers to fix armour without the use of magic is
0.5 days (for
> cloth/leather) to 20 days (for mithril).  So your chances of getting it
repaired overnight are
> slim.
>
> Cheers, Stephen.


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