Messages for 21 November 2005

Subject	[dq] Information Request
From	Zane Mendoza
Date	Sun, 20 Nov 2005 03:57:45 -0800 (PST)
Hey All, just wondering if anyone out there has any info on the following demons/places aside from whats on the Wiki? would prefer adventures that have included them but anything helps. Please email me privately. :) Thanks Places: Cauldersfield Glissom Demons: Gaap Vassago Orobas Stolas Zane __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Information Request
From	Jonathan Bean -TME
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:58:45 +1300
Yes Glissom is normal run by Jon McSpadden ph 8285154 and he is happy for other GMs to run games there. A few Characters are involved in the small royal court at Glissom, and Erowhan is just over the river (also PC controlled). Stephen Martin is the only GM to run a game (around 8 years ago) in Cauldersfield. Jono -----Original Message----- From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of Zane Mendoza Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 12:58 a.m. To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: [dq] Information Request Hey All, just wondering if anyone out there has any info on the following demons/places aside from whats on the Wiki? would prefer adventures that have included them but anything helps. Please email me privately. :) Thanks Places: Cauldersfield Glissom Demons: Gaap Vassago Orobas Stolas Zane __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	[dq-announce] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting
From	Stephen Martin
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:11:35 +1300 (NZDT)
Following discussions several months ago, these changes are proposed for voting at the December Guild Meeting. Exact Wording is on the wiki http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Proposed_Rule_Changes#Material_Components_and_Binder.2FIllusionist_Permanency_Rituals This is summarised version: 1. Magic Section: Specifying that by default, Ritual Materials are used up regardless of the success or failure of the ritual. 2. Giving both rituals an "Extend" option that extends the duration of affected spells to days (based on ritual rank) without using material components. 3. Increase the cast chance of Illusion from MA+2/rk to MA+4/rk to be comparable with Binder of 20+4/Rk. 4. Specify the range for the Binder ritual, same as Illusion, 5 feet. 5. Remove bit in Illusion specifying components are not used on failure so that the default (as above) applies. Binder already does not specify. Remaining differences: Minor BC diff MA vs 20% Illusion EM 150 higher (550 vs 400) Illusion Permanence is counterspellable by adept, Binder is not. Illusion is cheaper, costs 5k, Binder costs 10k/20k/30k for Gen Spells/Spec Spells/Rituals. Cheers, Stephen. -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq-announce] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting
From	Errol Cavit
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:45:03 +1300
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5EE2C.6D9026A4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How will these be voted on? All-or-nothing, or broken down in some way? Cheers Errol > -----Original Message----- > From: dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz > [mailto:dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of Stephen Martin > Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 11:12 > To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: [dq-announce] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for > Voting > > > Following discussions several months ago, these changes are > proposed for voting at the December > Guild Meeting. > Exact Wording is on the wiki > http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Proposed_Rule_C > hanges#Material_Components_and_Binder.2FIllusionist_Permanency_Rituals > > This is summarised version: > 1. Magic Section: Specifying that by default, Ritual > Materials are used up regardless of the > success or failure of the ritual. > > 2. Giving both rituals an "Extend" option that extends the > duration of affected spells to days > (based on ritual rank) without using material components. > > 3. Increase the cast chance of Illusion from MA+2/rk to > MA+4/rk to be comparable with Binder of > 20+4/Rk. > > 4. Specify the range for the Binder ritual, same as Illusion, 5 feet. > > 5. Remove bit in Illusion specifying components are not used > on failure so that the default (as > above) applies. Binder already does not specify. > > Remaining differences: > Minor BC diff MA vs 20% > Illusion EM 150 higher (550 vs 400) > Illusion Permanence is counterspellable by adept, Binder is not. > Illusion is cheaper, costs 5k, Binder costs 10k/20k/30k for > Gen Spells/Spec Spells/Rituals. > > > Cheers, Stephen. > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5EE2C.6D9026A4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2658.2"> <TITLE>RE: [dq-announce] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes = for Voting</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>How will these be voted on? All-or-nothing, or broken = down in some way?</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz">mailto:dq-announce-owner@= dq.sf.org.nz</A>]On Behalf Of Stephen Martin</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 11:12</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: [dq-announce] Binder & Illusionist = Permanency - Changes for</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Voting</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Following discussions several months ago, these = changes are </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> proposed for voting at the December</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Guild Meeting.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Exact Wording is on the wiki</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <A = HREF=3D"http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Proposed_Rule_C" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Propose= d_Rule_C</A></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = hanges#Material_Components_and_Binder.2FIllusionist_Permanency_Rituals</= FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> This is summarised version:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 1. Magic Section: Specifying that by default, = Ritual </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Materials are used up regardless of the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> success or failure of the ritual.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 2. Giving both rituals an "Extend" = option that extends the </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> duration of affected spells to days</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> (based on ritual rank) without using material = components.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 3. Increase the cast chance of Illusion from = MA+2/rk to </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> MA+4/rk to be comparable with Binder of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 20+4/Rk.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 4. Specify the range for the Binder ritual, = same as Illusion, 5 feet.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 5. Remove bit in Illusion specifying components = are not used </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> on failure so that the default (as</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> above) applies.  Binder already does not = specify.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Remaining differences:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Minor BC diff MA vs 20%</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Illusion EM 150 higher (550 vs 400)</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Illusion Permanence is counterspellable by = adept, Binder is not.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Illusion is cheaper, costs 5k, Binder costs = 10k/20k/30k for </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Gen Spells/Spec Spells/Rituals.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Cheers, Stephen.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -- to unsubscribe notify <A = HREF=3D"mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz">mailto:dq-announce-requ= est@dq.sf.org.nz</A> --</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> </P> </BODY> </HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5EE2C.6D9026A4-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting
From	Stephen Martin
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:56:47 +1300 (NZDT)
I don't see any issues with any of it so my preference is all at once to save time. But then it could be said that I'm biased. :) If someone has a deal-breaker issue with part of the changes but supports the others then ideally they should be split (depending on the issue). If anyone falls into this category then speak up now. If not then let's go with the minimum of beaurocracy and vote once. Cheers, Stephen. Errol Cavit said: > How will these be voted on? All-or-nothing, or broken down in some way? > > Cheers > Errol > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz >> [mailto:dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of Stephen Martin Sent: Monday, 21 November >> 2005 11:12 >> To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz >> Subject: [dq-announce] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting >> >> >> Following discussions several months ago, these changes are >> proposed for voting at the December >> Guild Meeting. >> Exact Wording is on the wiki >> http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Proposed_Rule_C >> hanges#Material_Components_and_Binder.2FIllusionist_Permanency_Rituals >> >> This is summarised version: >> 1. Magic Section: Specifying that by default, Ritual >> Materials are used up regardless of the >> success or failure of the ritual. >> >> 2. Giving both rituals an "Extend" option that extends the >> duration of affected spells to days >> (based on ritual rank) without using material components. >> >> 3. Increase the cast chance of Illusion from MA+2/rk to >> MA+4/rk to be comparable with Binder of >> 20+4/Rk. >> >> 4. Specify the range for the Binder ritual, same as Illusion, 5 feet. >> >> 5. Remove bit in Illusion specifying components are not used >> on failure so that the default (as >> above) applies. Binder already does not specify. >> >> Remaining differences: >> Minor BC diff MA vs 20% >> Illusion EM 150 higher (550 vs 400) >> Illusion Permanence is counterspellable by adept, Binder is not. Illusion is cheaper, costs >> 5k, Binder costs 10k/20k/30k for >> Gen Spells/Spec Spells/Rituals. >> >> >> Cheers, Stephen. >> >> >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting
From	Struan Judd
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:00:16 +1300
I would think either all or nothing or break out the Extend option and have all rest of the changes under a "Tidy and make consistent" vote and then vote to add the Extend option. My preference would be for all-or-nothing however. Takes less time as long as everyone has read /discussed the changes. TTFN, Struan. On 11/21/05, Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz> wrote: > > > How will these be voted on? All-or-nothing, or broken down in some way? > > Cheers > Errol > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz > > [mailto:dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of > Stephen Martin > > Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 11:12 > > To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz > > Subject: [dq-announce] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for > > Voting > > > > > > Following discussions several months ago, these changes are > > proposed for voting at the December > > Guild Meeting. > > Exact Wording is on the wiki > > > http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Proposed_Rule_C > > > hanges#Material_Components_and_Binder.2FIllusionist_Permanency_Rituals > > > > This is summarised version: > > 1. Magic Section: Specifying that by default, Ritual > > Materials are used up regardless of the > > success or failure of the ritual. > > > > 2. Giving both rituals an "Extend" option that extends the > > duration of affected spells to days > > (based on ritual rank) without using material components. > > > > 3. Increase the cast chance of Illusion from MA+2/rk to > > MA+4/rk to be comparable with Binder of > > 20+4/Rk. > > > > 4. Specify the range for the Binder ritual, same as Illusion, 5 feet. > > > > 5. Remove bit in Illusion specifying components are not used > > on failure so that the default (as > > above) applies. Binder already does not specify. > > > > Remaining differences: > > Minor BC diff MA vs 20% > > Illusion EM 150 higher (550 vs 400) > > Illusion Permanence is counterspellable by adept, Binder is not. > > Illusion is cheaper, costs 5k, Binder costs 10k/20k/30k for > > Gen Spells/Spec Spells/Rituals. > > > > > > Cheers, Stephen. > > > > > > -- to unsubscribe notify > mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting
From	Errol Cavit
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:02:13 +1300
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5EE2E.5DEBB784 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This isn't an issue different from the other tweaks??? >> 2. Giving both rituals an "Extend" option that extends the >> duration of affected spells to days >> (based on ritual rank) without using material components. Cheers Errol > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Martin [mailto:stephenm@castle.pointclark.net] > Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 12:57 > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: [dq] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting > > > I don't see any issues with any of it so my preference is all > at once to save time. > But then it could be said that I'm biased. :) > > If someone has a deal-breaker issue with part of the changes > but supports the others then ideally > they should be split (depending on the issue). If anyone > falls into this category then speak up > now. > If not then let's go with the minimum of beaurocracy and vote once. > > Cheers, Stephen. > > Errol Cavit said: > > How will these be voted on? All-or-nothing, or broken down > in some way? > > > > Cheers > > Errol > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz > >> [mailto:dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of > Stephen Martin Sent: Monday, 21 November > >> 2005 11:12 > >> To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz > >> Subject: [dq-announce] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - > Changes for Voting > >> > >> > >> Following discussions several months ago, these changes are > >> proposed for voting at the December > >> Guild Meeting. > >> Exact Wording is on the wiki > >> http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Proposed_Rule_C > >> > hanges#Material_Components_and_Binder.2FIllusionist_Permanency_Rituals > >> > >> This is summarised version: > >> 1. Magic Section: Specifying that by default, Ritual > >> Materials are used up regardless of the > >> success or failure of the ritual. > >> > >> 2. Giving both rituals an "Extend" option that extends the > >> duration of affected spells to days > >> (based on ritual rank) without using material components. > >> > >> 3. Increase the cast chance of Illusion from MA+2/rk to > >> MA+4/rk to be comparable with Binder of > >> 20+4/Rk. > >> > >> 4. Specify the range for the Binder ritual, same as > Illusion, 5 feet. > >> > >> 5. Remove bit in Illusion specifying components are not used > >> on failure so that the default (as > >> above) applies. Binder already does not specify. > >> > >> Remaining differences: > >> Minor BC diff MA vs 20% > >> Illusion EM 150 higher (550 vs 400) > >> Illusion Permanence is counterspellable by adept, Binder > is not. Illusion is cheaper, costs > >> 5k, Binder costs 10k/20k/30k for > >> Gen Spells/Spec Spells/Rituals. > >> > >> > >> Cheers, Stephen. > >> > >> > >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > >> > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5EE2E.5DEBB784 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2658.2"> <TITLE>RE: [dq] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for = Voting</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>This isn't an issue different from the other = tweaks???</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>> 2. Giving both rituals an "Extend" = option that extends the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>> duration of affected spells to days</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>> (based on ritual rank) without using = material components.</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: Stephen Martin [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:stephenm@castle.pointclark.net">mailto:stephenm@castle.po= intclark.net</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 12:57</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: Re: [dq] Binder & Illusionist = Permanency - Changes for Voting</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I don't see any issues with any of it so my = preference is all </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> at once to save time.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> But then it could be said that I'm biased. = :)</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> If someone has a deal-breaker issue with part = of the changes </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> but supports the others then ideally</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> they should be split (depending on the = issue).  If anyone </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> falls into this category then speak up</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> now.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> If not then let's go with the minimum of = beaurocracy and vote once.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Cheers, Stephen.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Errol Cavit said:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > How will these be voted on? = All-or-nothing, or broken down </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> in some way?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Cheers</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Errol</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> From: = dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz">mailto:dq-announce-owner@= dq.sf.org.nz</A>]On Behalf Of </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Stephen Martin Sent: Monday, 21 November</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> 2005 11:12</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> Subject: [dq-announce] Binder & = Illusionist Permanency - </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Changes for Voting</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> Following discussions several months = ago, these changes are</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> proposed for voting at the = December</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> Guild Meeting.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> Exact Wording is on the wiki</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> <A = HREF=3D"http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Proposed_Rule_C" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Propose= d_Rule_C</A></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = hanges#Material_Components_and_Binder.2FIllusionist_Permanency_Rituals</= FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> This is summarised version:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> 1. Magic Section: Specifying that by = default, Ritual</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> Materials are used up regardless of = the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> success or failure of the = ritual.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> 2. Giving both rituals an = "Extend" option that extends the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> duration of affected spells to = days</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> (based on ritual rank) without using = material components.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> 3. Increase the cast chance of = Illusion from MA+2/rk to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> MA+4/rk to be comparable with Binder = of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> 20+4/Rk.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> 4. Specify the range for the Binder = ritual, same as </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Illusion, 5 feet.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> 5. Remove bit in Illusion specifying = components are not used</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> on failure so that the default = (as</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> above) applies.  Binder already = does not specify.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> Remaining differences:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> Minor BC diff MA vs 20%</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> Illusion EM 150 higher (550 vs = 400)</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> Illusion Permanence is = counterspellable by adept, Binder </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> is not. Illusion is cheaper, costs</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> 5k, Binder costs 10k/20k/30k = for</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> Gen Spells/Spec Spells/Rituals.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> Cheers, Stephen.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >> -- to unsubscribe notify <A = HREF=3D"mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz">mailto:dq-announce-requ= est@dq.sf.org.nz</A> --</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -- to unsubscribe notify <A = HREF=3D"mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz">mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz</= A> --</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> </P> </BODY> </HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5EE2E.5DEBB784-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	[dq] Curse
From	Mandos Mitchinson
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:09:48 +1300
Major curse has been edited at some point in a previous edition to now also have a target as object. While I like the idea of Major curse effecting items and think it adds something to the game, it appears to be a contentious addition. I am guessing it was done as part of a tidy and never voted on so I present it to the group for discussion. I have recently come up with some guidelines for the use of curse on items that I can put forward if we deciede to keep the target object. Mandos /s -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting
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Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:12:53 +1300
Hi Stephen, I assume there is a reason for the remaining differences? teh costs seem quite different, are the binder spells etc so much more powerful? Ian > > Remaining differences: > Minor BC diff MA vs 20% > Illusion EM 150 higher (550 vs 400) > Illusion Permanence is counterspellable by adept, Binder is not. > Illusion is cheaper, costs 5k, Binder costs 10k/20k/30k for Gen Spells/Spec Spells/Rituals. > > > Cheers, Stephen. > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting
From	Stephen Martin
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:44:40 +1300 (NZDT)
No, for the most part they are not more powerful. I can't recall why the Binder costs were set so high in the first place, possibly there was a reason, possibly it seemed like a good idea at the time. I thought about making the costs similar but could see no good reason to change it and there might be valid reasons not to change it. The end result is that Illusionists pay more XP, Binders pay more money. Permanent Illusions being Counterspellable and Binder magics not - make Binder things seem more solid, and Illusions a little more ephemeral. And a small benefit to the Illusionists in exchange for the extra 150em. % base is close enough, not worth changing. > > > Hi Stephen, > > I assume there is a reason for the remaining differences? teh costs seem quite different, are > the binder spells etc so much more powerful? > > Ian > >> >> Remaining differences: >> Minor BC diff MA vs 20% >> Illusion EM 150 higher (550 vs 400) >> Illusion Permanence is counterspellable by adept, Binder is not. Illusion is cheaper, costs >> 5k, Binder costs 10k/20k/30k for Gen Spells/Spec Spells/Rituals. >> >> >> Cheers, Stephen. >> >> >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- >> > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting
From
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:19:50 +1300
seems fair, lets vote it in... Ian > > From: Stephen Martin <stephenm@castle.pointclark.net> > Date: 2005/11/21 Mon PM 01:44:40 GMT+13:00 > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: [dq] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting > > No, for the most part they are not more powerful. I can't recall why the Binder costs were set so > high in the first place, possibly there was a reason, possibly it seemed like a good idea at the > time. > I thought about making the costs similar but could see no good reason to change it and there might > be valid reasons not to change it. > > The end result is that Illusionists pay more XP, Binders pay more money. > > Permanent Illusions being Counterspellable and Binder magics not - make Binder things seem more > solid, and Illusions a little more ephemeral. And a small benefit to the Illusionists in exchange > for the extra 150em. > > % base is close enough, not worth changing. > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > I assume there is a reason for the remaining differences? teh costs seem quite different, are > > the binder spells etc so much more powerful? > > > > Ian > > > >> > >> Remaining differences: > >> Minor BC diff MA vs 20% > >> Illusion EM 150 higher (550 vs 400) > >> Illusion Permanence is counterspellable by adept, Binder is not. Illusion is cheaper, costs > >> 5k, Binder costs 10k/20k/30k for Gen Spells/Spec Spells/Rituals. > >> > >> > >> Cheers, Stephen. > >> > >> > >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > >> > > > > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Curse
From
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:21:47 +1300
not sure i like the idea of being able to remove the curse from an item. especially treasure. many times the curse is what makes the item balanced or less than useful. And making it an MA 50 curse will just encourage Dramus to take out another morgage against his soul. :-D Ian > > From: Mandos Mitchinson <MandosM@adhb.govt.nz> > Date: 2005/11/21 Mon PM 01:09:48 GMT+13:00 > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: [dq] Curse > > > Major curse has been edited at some point in a previous edition to now > also have a target as object. > > While I like the idea of Major curse effecting items and think it adds > something to the game, it appears to be a contentious addition. > > I am guessing it was done as part of a tidy and never voted on so I > present it to the group for discussion. > > I have recently come up with some guidelines for the use of curse on > items that I can put forward if we deciede to keep the target object. > > Mandos > /s > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Curse
From	Mandos Mitchinson
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:25:57 +1300
> not sure i like the idea of being able to remove the curse > from an item. especially treasure. > > many times the curse is what makes the item balanced or less > than useful. And making it an MA 50 curse will just encourage > Dramus to take out another morgage against his soul. :-D Shaped items with a curse on them wouldn't be removable with remove curse. I would suspect that only items with Major curse cast on them would be removable. Mandos /s -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting
From	Helen Saggers
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:56:48 +1300
My guess is part of the reason the costs are high to discorrage "Cheating" on the creation time with the golem creation ritual. Many golems take days even weeks to make by ritual, to the point where the option of making one for a few hours by spell and then permancing it looks good until you realise it will cost around 20'000sp 24 days and 1,000sp plus the iron vs just over an hour and 20,000sp plus the iron, for a 6 ft iron golem, you pay big time for speed. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Martin" <stephenm@castle.pointclark.net> To: <dq@dq.sf.org.nz> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [dq] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting > No, for the most part they are not more powerful. I can't recall why the Binder costs were set so > high in the first place, possibly there was a reason, possibly it seemed like a good idea at the > time. > I thought about making the costs similar but could see no good reason to change it and there might > be valid reasons not to change it. > > The end result is that Illusionists pay more XP, Binders pay more money. > > Permanent Illusions being Counterspellable and Binder magics not - make Binder things seem more > solid, and Illusions a little more ephemeral. And a small benefit to the Illusionists in exchange > for the extra 150em. > > % base is close enough, not worth changing. > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > I assume there is a reason for the remaining differences? teh costs seem quite different, are > > the binder spells etc so much more powerful? > > > > Ian > > > >> > >> Remaining differences: > >> Minor BC diff MA vs 20% > >> Illusion EM 150 higher (550 vs 400) > >> Illusion Permanence is counterspellable by adept, Binder is not. Illusion is cheaper, costs > >> 5k, Binder costs 10k/20k/30k for Gen Spells/Spec Spells/Rituals. > >> > >> > >> Cheers, Stephen. > >> > >> > >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > >> > > > > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting
From
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:52:03 +1300
yup, good post Helen. Ian > > From: Helen Saggers <helen@owbn.net.nz> > Date: 2005/11/21 Mon PM 02:56:48 GMT+13:00 > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: [dq] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting > > My guess is part of the reason the costs are high to discorrage "Cheating" > on the creation time with the golem creation ritual. > Many golems take days even weeks to make by ritual, to the point where the > option of making one for a few hours by spell and then permancing it looks > good until you realise it will cost around 20'000sp > 24 days and 1,000sp plus the iron vs just over an hour and 20,000sp plus the > iron, for a 6 ft iron golem, you pay big time for speed. > > Helen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Martin" <stephenm@castle.pointclark.net> > To: <dq@dq.sf.org.nz> > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:44 PM > Subject: Re: [dq] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting > > > > No, for the most part they are not more powerful. I can't recall why the > Binder costs were set so > > high in the first place, possibly there was a reason, possibly it seemed > like a good idea at the > > time. > > I thought about making the costs similar but could see no good reason to > change it and there might > > be valid reasons not to change it. > > > > The end result is that Illusionists pay more XP, Binders pay more money. > > > > Permanent Illusions being Counterspellable and Binder magics not - make > Binder things seem more > > solid, and Illusions a little more ephemeral. And a small benefit to the > Illusionists in exchange > > for the extra 150em. > > > > % base is close enough, not worth changing. > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > I assume there is a reason for the remaining differences? teh costs seem > quite different, are > > > the binder spells etc so much more powerful? > > > > > > Ian > > > > > >> > > >> Remaining differences: > > >> Minor BC diff MA vs 20% > > >> Illusion EM 150 higher (550 vs 400) > > >> Illusion Permanence is counterspellable by adept, Binder is not. > Illusion is cheaper, costs > > >> 5k, Binder costs 10k/20k/30k for Gen Spells/Spec Spells/Rituals. > > >> > > >> > > >> Cheers, Stephen. > > >> > > >> > > >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > > > > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > > > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting
From	Errol Cavit
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:55:53 +1300
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5EE3E.B490A10C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anyone wishing to reread the discussion will presumably find it in the email archives for 26-29th April 2004. Cheers Errol > -----Original Message----- > From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of > Struan Judd > Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 13:00 > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: [dq] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting > > > I would think either all or nothing or break out the Extend option and > have all rest of the changes under a "Tidy and make consistent" vote > and then vote to add the Extend option. > > My preference would be for all-or-nothing however. Takes less time as > long as everyone has read /discussed the changes. > > TTFN, Struan. > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5EE3E.B490A10C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2658.2"> <TITLE>RE: [dq] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for = Voting</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Anyone wishing to reread the discussion will = presumably find it in the email archives for 26-29th April 2004.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz">mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</A>]O= n Behalf Of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Struan Judd</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 13:00</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: Re: [dq] Binder & Illusionist = Permanency - Changes for Voting</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I would think either all or nothing or break = out the Extend option and</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> have all rest of the changes under a "Tidy = and make consistent" vote</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> and then vote to add the Extend option.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> My preference would be for all-or-nothing = however. Takes less time as</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> long as everyone has read /discussed the = changes.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> TTFN, Struan.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> </P> </BODY> </HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5EE3E.B490A10C-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	[dq] Players Guide V3 - GM contact details
From	RMansfield@ingnz.com
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:48:25 +1300
This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 000F3AA4CC2570C0_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" After read the various comments I'm going to retain the GM contact section within the Players Guide but remove the phone numbers. The following people are on the contact list currently. Please advise if you would like to be added / removed / updated. Andrew Withy andreww@datacom.co.nz Ian Wood adara@ihug.co.nz Keith Smith phaeton@ihug.co.nz Mandos mandos@nexus.org.nz (George Mitchenson) Martin Dickson martin.dickson@peace.com or email at home apollyon@ihug.co.nz Mike Parkinson m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz Rosemary Mansfield rmansfield@ingnz.com Stephen Martin stephen.martin@infinity.net.nz I'd also like to comment on tribunal membership next to the appropriate names. Would you let me know who is in the tribrunals currently Regards, Rosemary --=_alternative 000F3AA4CC2570C0_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">After read the various comments I'm going to retain the GM contact section within the Players Guide but remove the phone numbers.</font> <br> <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">The following people are on the contact list currently.  Please advise if you would like to be added / removed / updated.</font> <br> <br><font size=2 face="Times New Roman">Andrew Withy        </font><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>andreww@datacom.co.nz</u></font><font size=2 face="Times New Roman">        </font> <br><font size=2 face="Times New Roman">Ian Wood         </font><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>adara@ihug.co.nz</u></font><font size=2 face="Times New Roman">        </font> <br><font size=2 face="Times New Roman">Keith Smith        </font><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>phaeton@ihug.co.nz</u></font><font size=2 face="Times New Roman">        </font> <br><font size=2 face="Times New Roman">Mandos        </font><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>mandos@nexus.org.nz</u></font><font size=2 face="Times New Roman">        (George Mitchenson)</font> <br><font size=2 face="Times New Roman">Martin Dickson        </font><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>martin.dickson@peace.com</u></font><font size=2 face="Times New Roman">         </font> <br><font size=2 face="Times New Roman">  or email at home        </font><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>apollyon@ihug.co.nz</u></font> <br><font size=2 face="Times New Roman">Mike Parkinson        </font><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz</u></font><font size=2 face="Times New Roman">        </font> <br><font size=2 face="Times New Roman">Rosemary Mansfield        </font><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>rmansfield@</u></font><font size=2 face="Times New Roman">ingnz.com        </font> <br><font size=2 face="Times New Roman">Stephen Martin        </font><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>stephen.martin@infinity.net.nz</u></font> <br> <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I'd also like to comment on tribunal membership next to the appropriate names.  Would you let me know who is in the tribrunals currently</font> <br> <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Regards,<br> Rosemary<br> </font> --=_alternative 000F3AA4CC2570C0_=-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Players Guide V3 - GM contact details
From	Mandos Mitchinson
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:50:29 +1300
> Mandos mandos@nexus.org.nz (George Mitchenson) Could this be replaced with Mandos gminfo@dragonquest.org.nz (George Mitchinson) Mandos /s -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Players Guide V3 - GM contact details
From	RMansfield@ingnz.com
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:10:26 +1300
This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00113E9CCC2570C0_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Done Rosemary Mandos Mitchinson <MandosM@adhb.govt.nz> Sent by: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz 21/11/2005 03:50 p.m. Please respond to dq@dq.sf.org.nz To dq@dq.sf.org.nz cc Subject Re: [dq] Players Guide V3 - GM contact details > Mandos mandos@nexus.org.nz (George Mitchenson) Could this be replaced with Mandos gminfo@dragonquest.org.nz (George Mitchinson) Mandos /s -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- --=_alternative 00113E9CCC2570C0_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Done</font> <br> <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Rosemary</font> <br> <br> <br> <br> <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td width=40%><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><b>Mandos Mitchinson <MandosM@adhb.govt.nz></b> </font> <br><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Sent by: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</font> <p><font size=1 face="sans-serif">21/11/2005 03:50 p.m.</font> <table border> <tr valign=top> <td bgcolor=white> <div align=center><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Please respond to<br> dq@dq.sf.org.nz</font></div></table> <br> <td width=59%> <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right><font size=1 face="sans-serif">To</font></div> <td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</font> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right><font size=1 face="sans-serif">cc</font></div> <td> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Subject</font></div> <td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Re: [dq] Players Guide V3 - GM contact details</font></table> <br> <table> <tr valign=top> <td> <td></table> <br></table> <br> <br> <br><font size=2><tt>> Mandos        mandos@nexus.org.nz        (George Mitchenson)  <br> <br> Could this be replaced with<br> <br> Mandos        gminfo@dragonquest.org.nz        (George Mitchinson)  <br> <br> Mandos<br> /s<br> <br> <br> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --<br> </tt></font> <br> --=_alternative 00113E9CCC2570C0_=-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Players Guide V3 - GM contact details
From	Stephen Martin
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:15:03 +1300 (NZDT)
stephen.martin@infinity.net.nz is not quite right, but I'd prefer not to get DQ emails coming to work, while a blind eye is usually turned to personal emails, strictly speaking we're not supposed to get/send them. Please change my email address to stephenm@aklnz.net I am happy to have this in the print edition of the guide but prefer not to have it in plain text on the wiki. While the instructions have been set so that robots should not browse the wiki, spammers don't always follow the rules. Cheers, Stephen. > After read the various comments I'm going to retain the GM contact section within the Players > Guide but remove the phone numbers. > > The following people are on the contact list currently. Please advise if you would like to be > added / removed / updated. > > Andrew Withy andreww@datacom.co.nz > Ian Wood adara@ihug.co.nz > Keith Smith phaeton@ihug.co.nz > Mandos mandos@nexus.org.nz (George Mitchenson) > Martin Dickson martin.dickson@peace.com > or email at home apollyon@ihug.co.nz > Mike Parkinson m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz > Rosemary Mansfield rmansfield@ingnz.com > Stephen Martin stephen.martin@infinity.net.nz > > I'd also like to comment on tribunal membership next to the appropriate names. Would you let > me know who is in the tribrunals currently > > Regards, > Rosemary -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Players Guide v3
From	RMansfield@ingnz.com
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:21:31 +1300
This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00124269CC2570C0_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Thanks for your comments - they were very helpful. I intend to add bookmarks before I send out the PDF. Regards, Rosemary --=_alternative 00124269CC2570C0_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks for your comments - they were very helpful.</font> <br> <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I intend to add bookmarks before I send out the PDF.</font> <br> <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Regards,<br> Rosemary<br> </font> --=_alternative 00124269CC2570C0_=-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Players Guide V3 - GM contact details
From	Struan Judd
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:22:21 +1300
I'd like to be added as Struan Judd dq-gm@scifi.geek.nz TTFN, Struan. On 11/21/05, RMansfield@ingnz.com <RMansfield@ingnz.com> wrote: > > After read the various comments I'm going to retain the GM contact section > within the Players Guide but remove the phone numbers. > > The following people are on the contact list currently. Please advise if > you would like to be added / removed / updated. > > Andrew Withy andreww@datacom.co.nz > Ian Wood adara@ihug.co.nz > Keith Smith phaeton@ihug.co.nz > Mandos mandos@nexus.org.nz (George Mitchenson) > Martin Dickson martin.dickson@peace.com > or email at home apollyon@ihug.co.nz > Mike Parkinson m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz > Rosemary Mansfield rmansfield@ingnz.com > Stephen Martin stephen.martin@infinity.net.nz > > I'd also like to comment on tribunal membership next to the appropriate > names. Would you let me know who is in the tribrunals currently > > Regards, > Rosemary > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Players Guide V3 - GM contact details
From	Mandos Mitchinson
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:21:03 +1300
> I'd also like to comment on tribunal membership next to the appropriate names. > Would you let me know who is in the tribrunals currently Currently they are all on the Wiki... Campaign Committee Current Members * Martin Dickson * Ian Wood * Chris Caufield * Andrew Withy * Ben Taberner Character Tribunal Current Members * Mandos * William Dymock * Ian Wood Grevance Tribunal Current Members * Unknown Martin Dickson ??? * William Dymock * Ian Wood Mandos /s -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Players Guide V3 - GM contact details
From	ian at dawn haven
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:13:50 +1300
Haven't been at adara@ for some time - please change to my return address. > -----Original Message----- > From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of > Stephen Martin > Sent: 21 November 2005 16:15 > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: [dq] Players Guide V3 - GM contact details > > stephen.martin@infinity.net.nz is not quite right, but I'd prefer not to > get DQ emails coming to > work, while a blind eye is usually turned to personal emails, strictly > speaking we're not supposed > to get/send them. > Please change my email address to > stephenm@aklnz.net > > I am happy to have this in the print edition of the guide but prefer not > to have it in plain text > on the wiki. While the instructions have been set so that robots should > not browse the wiki, > spammers don't always follow the rules. > > Cheers, Stephen. > > > After read the various comments I'm going to retain the GM contact > section within the Players > > Guide but remove the phone numbers. > > > > The following people are on the contact list currently. Please advise > if you would like to be > > added / removed / updated. > > > > Andrew Withy andreww@datacom.co.nz > > Ian Wood adara@ihug.co.nz > > Keith Smith phaeton@ihug.co.nz > > Mandos mandos@nexus.org.nz (George Mitchenson) > > Martin Dickson martin.dickson@peace.com > > or email at home apollyon@ihug.co.nz > > Mike Parkinson m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz > > Rosemary Mansfield rmansfield@ingnz.com > > Stephen Martin stephen.martin@infinity.net.nz > > > > I'd also like to comment on tribunal membership next to the appropriate > names. Would you let > > me know who is in the tribrunals currently > > > > Regards, > > Rosemary > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Players Guide V3 - GM contact details
From	Helen Saggers
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:15:56 +1300
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C5EEE0.C350E1F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Add me too. Helen Saggers Helen@owbn.net.nz Helen ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C5EEE0.C350E1F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1522" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3Dsans-serif size=3D2>Add me too.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3Dsans-serif size=3D2>Helen Saggers <A=20 href=3D"mailto:Helen@owbn.net.nz">Helen@owbn.net.nz</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3Dsans-serif size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3Dsans-serif size=3D2>Helen</DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C5EEE0.C350E1F0-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Players Guide V3 - GM contact details
From	Martin Dickson
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:39:12 +1300
------=_Part_36259_23418319.1132565952538 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 11/21/05, Mandos Mitchinson <MandosM@adhb.govt.nz> wrote: > > Grevance Tribunal > > Current Members > > * Unknown Martin Dickson ??? > * William Dymock > * Ian Wood Not me, as far as I know... though happy to do it if needed. Cheers, Martin ------=_Part_36259_23418319.1132565952538 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 11/21/05, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Mandos Mitchinson</b> <<a hre= f=3D"mailto:MandosM@adhb.govt.nz">MandosM@adhb.govt.nz</a>> wrote:<div><= span class=3D"gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style= =3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; p= adding-left: 1ex;"> Grevance Tribunal<br><br>Current Members<br><br>    * U= nknown Martin Dickson ???<br>    * William Dymock<br>&n= bsp;   * Ian Wood</blockquote><div><br> Not me, as far as I know... though happy to do it if needed.<br> <br> Cheers,<br> Martin<br> </div><br></div><br> ------=_Part_36259_23418319.1132565952538-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Players Guide V3 - GM contact details
From	Kharsis
Date	Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:55:03 +1300
RMansfield@ingnz.com wrote: > > After read the various comments I'm going to retain the GM contact > section within the Players Guide but remove the phone numbers. > > The following people are on the contact list currently. Please advise > if you would like to be added / removed / updated. > > Andrew Withy _andreww@datacom.co.nz_ > Ian Wood _adara@ihug.co.nz_ > Keith Smith _phaeton@ihug.co.nz_ > Mandos _mandos@nexus.org.nz_ (George Mitchenson) > Martin Dickson _martin.dickson@peace.com_ > or email at home _apollyon@ihug.co.nz_ > Mike Parkinson _m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz_ > Rosemary Mansfield _rmansfield@_ingnz.com > Stephen Martin _stephen.martin@infinity.net.nz_ > > I'd also like to comment on tribunal membership next to the > appropriate names. Would you let me know who is in the tribrunals > currently > > Regards, > Rosemary please add me to the GM contact list. I will be GM'ing again at some stage Scott Whitaker kharsis@ihug.co.nz -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --