IIRC it was decided some time ago that a beastmaster who was also a 
healer could heal animals at the lesser of beastmaster or healer.  This 
addition was never added to the rule book but has been played over that 
time.

I am unsure how to add this to the Wiki having not used it before.


Scott Whitaker


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On 21/11/2005, at 14:56, Helen Saggers wrote:

> My guess is part of the reason the costs are high to discorrage 
> "Cheating"
> on the creation time with the golem creation ritual.
> Many golems take days even weeks to make by ritual, to the point where 
> the
> option of making one for a few hours by spell and then permancing it 
> looks
> good until you realise it will cost around 20'000sp
> 24 days and 1,000sp plus the iron vs just over an hour and 20,000sp 
> plus the
> iron, for a 6 ft iron golem, you pay big time for speed.

Maybe I'm confused but my reading of Binder, the only way to make a 
golem permanent is via the Binding Permanency ritual. Or is that 
duration on the rituals of making golems meant to mean something else? 
Or do I just have no clue how the college works?

cheers,

clare


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37 Healer (Ver 1.12)

....

A healer may also use their abilities upon animals which they have 
Beastmaster (35) familiarity. However non sentients cannot be resurrected.

Thos already exists in the rulebook. As a point of interest.

Simon White


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To: <dq@dq.sf.org.nz>
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Subject: [dq] Beastmaster Healing


> IIRC it was decided some time ago that a beastmaster who was also a healer 
> could heal animals at the lesser of beastmaster or healer.  This addition 
> was never added to the rule book but has been played over that time.
>
> I am unsure how to add this to the Wiki having not used it before.
>
>
> Scott Whitaker
>
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It is already in the rules in the intro of healer:
"A healer may also use their abilities upon animals
which they have Beastmaster (§35) familiarity. However
non sentients cannot be resurrected."

Kharsis said:
> IIRC it was decided some time ago that a beastmaster who was also a  healer could heal animals
> at the lesser of beastmaster or healer.  This  addition was never added to the rule book but has
> been played over that  time.
>
> I am unsure how to add this to the Wiki having not used it before.
>
>
> Scott Whitaker
>
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The golem rituals create an inanimate golem that may be animated for Duration by the Animate Golem
talent (and 2FT).
Permanency on the ritual (+30k) makes the duration of the animation permanent.

You could also cast Instant Golem and do permanency on the spell (for 20k) to effectively make a
permanently animated golem.

I'm now thinking that maybe we should drop the 30k bracket and make specials and rituals cost 20k
so that permanent golems cost 20k regardless of method.
The only other ritual affected is Major Creation which IMO is not worth 10k more than the specials.

I'll ammend the write-up on the wiki.

Cheers, Stephen.

Clare Baldock said:
>
> Maybe I'm confused but my reading of Binder, the only way to make a  golem permanent is via the
> Binding Permanency ritual. Or is that
> duration on the rituals of making golems meant to mean something else?  Or do I just have no
> clue how the college works?
>
> cheers,
>
> clare


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> The golem rituals create an inanimate golem that may be 
> animated for Duration by the Animate Golem talent (and 2FT). 
> Permanency on the ritual (+30k) makes the duration of the 
> animation permanent.
> 
> You could also cast Instant Golem and do permanency on the 
> spell (for 20k) to effectively make a permanently animated golem.
> 
> I'm now thinking that maybe we should drop the 30k bracket 
> and make specials and rituals cost 20k so that permanent 
> golems cost 20k regardless of method. The only other ritual 
> affected is Major Creation which IMO is not worth 10k more 
> than the specials.
> 
> I'll ammend the write-up on the wiki.

Based on the fact that I cannot for the life of me see why any binder is
ever going to perform the ritual when they can create an instant golem,
I would prefer to see permanence either not work on Instant Golems or
the sp cost to be significantly higher. 

I mean the options of 10 seconds + 20K for a permanent Golem or 24 weeks
+ 30K seems pretty ludicrous. 

As far as I can see (having never played a binder) there are no
circumstances other than Flesh Golem where the binder who adventures
would ever perform the rituals. 

Mandos
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On 22/11/2005, at 07:53, Stephen Martin wrote:

> The golem rituals create an inanimate golem that may be animated for 
> Duration by the Animate Golem
> talent (and 2FT).
> Permanency on the ritual (+30k) makes the duration of the animation 
> permanent.

OK that makes sense .... but should we consider actually putting this 
information somewhere in the rules? Having just created a baby binder I 
have read the college several times over the last three months, and not 
once was it clear that this was the case. I don't think I have less 
than average intelligence,

cheers,

clare


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Any issue with noting it in Beast Master as well? We are even doing a =
small
change for sub-skills anyway.

Cheers
Errol

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Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2005 07:42
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Beastmaster Healing


It is already in the rules in the intro of healer:
"A healer may also use their abilities upon animals
which they have Beastmaster (=A735) familiarity. However
non sentients cannot be resurrected."

Kharsis said:
> IIRC it was decided some time ago that a beastmaster who was also a
healer could heal animals
> at the lesser of beastmaster or healer.  This  addition was never =
added to
the rule book but has
> been played over that  time.
>
> I am unsure how to add this to the Wiki having not used it before.
>
>
> Scott Whitaker
>
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Clare Welcome to the collage.
I put a page in the wiki with some help from Stephen just on Golems, as
Golems seem to be the thing that confuses players and GMs the most.
We do intend to look at a revision of the binder collage itself , not a
rules change as such but a clarifiing things that have come up for us as
players of binders to make it easier on new binders and GMs.

Helen
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From: "Clare Baldock" <clare@orcon.net.nz>
To: <dq@dq.sf.org.nz>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [dq] Binder & Illusionist Permanency - Changes for Voting


>
> On 22/11/2005, at 07:53, Stephen Martin wrote:
>
> > The golem rituals create an inanimate golem that may be animated for
> > Duration by the Animate Golem
> > talent (and 2FT).
> > Permanency on the ritual (+30k) makes the duration of the animation
> > permanent.
>
> OK that makes sense .... but should we consider actually putting this
> information somewhere in the rules? Having just created a baby binder I
> have read the college several times over the last three months, and not
> once was it clear that this was the case. I don't think I have less
> than average intelligence,
>
> cheers,
>
> clare
>


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You need to rank the rituals to increase the effectiveness/quality of the golems, but since (as a
player) I got Instant Golem I have not used any of the big rituals.

Before then I had taken the time out to create a couple of stone golems but very rarely took them
adventuring.  They can't ride, can't fly, nobody wants to walk everywhere so they get left behind.
I have used the Clay and R&S rituals on adventure but it is not common.

Instant Golem and Itemisation are the Adventuring Binder's friends.  Without them it is extremely
hard to use any golem larger that R&S on adventure.

But I agree that a permanent golem made with Instant Golem & Permanence should be less than one
made with the golem ritual & Permanence.
Reading through what is already there I would say that when a permanent Instant Golem is reduced
to 0 EN then it is destroyed, but when a permanent ritual golem is reduced to 0 EN it de-animates
but can be repaired and re-animated.

Is this enough?

As a player if I was going to spend 20k on making a golem permanent I would invest the time in the
ritual to construct the golem so that it is repairable.  But my Binder always has more time than
money, another with lots of money and limited time may choose differently.

As a GM it would depend on whether I wanted the party to be left with a very heavy piece of loot
after they 'killed' the golem.

btw Binders don't do Flesh Golems, only Necromancers.  Despite our best PR campaign we're still
not considered evil enough to get to make Flesh Golems.

Cheers, Stephen.

Mandos Mitchinson said:
>> The golem rituals create an inanimate golem that may be
>> animated for Duration by the Animate Golem talent (and 2FT).
>> Permanency on the ritual (+30k) makes the duration of the
>> animation permanent.
>>
>> You could also cast Instant Golem and do permanency on the
>> spell (for 20k) to effectively make a permanently animated golem.
>>
>> I'm now thinking that maybe we should drop the 30k bracket
>> and make specials and rituals cost 20k so that permanent
>> golems cost 20k regardless of method. The only other ritual
>> affected is Major Creation which IMO is not worth 10k more
>> than the specials.
>>
>> I'll ammend the write-up on the wiki.
>
> Based on the fact that I cannot for the life of me see why any binder is ever going to perform
> the ritual when they can create an instant golem, I would prefer to see permanence either not
> work on Instant Golems or the sp cost to be significantly higher.
>
> I mean the options of 10 seconds + 20K for a permanent Golem or 24 weeks + 30K seems pretty
> ludicrous.
>
> As far as I can see (having never played a binder) there are no
> circumstances other than Flesh Golem where the binder who adventures would ever perform the
> rituals.
>
> Mandos
> /s


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Based on the fact that I cannot for the life of me see why any binder is
ever going to perform the ritual when they can create an instant golem,
If you kill a spelled golem it  returns to a pile of bits. If you kill a =
ritual golem you mend it, redo the ritual, (minimum time) and its good =
to go again.
If your Perminatly active ritualled golem was killed, you still have a =
basic golem  to resurect with a basic lenght of activity. Where as if =
you lose a spelled golem and you don't have the 20ks worth of ritual =
materials to hand you just have a pile of junk.
I would prefer to see permanence either not work on Instant Golems or
the sp cost to be significantly higher.=20
You do still need to have the ritual for the type of golem at greater =
than rank 0 to do the spell, plus rank 12 or better in the spell to do =
the ritual.
So it not really 20k and 10 seconds, it 25k plus for the golem ritual & =
learning and ranking time, 20k for the instant golem spell & learning =
and ranking time to Rk 12+, and then peminancy is not taught at th guild =
and is valued at 100k,before you spend your 20k making you golem =
perminantly active.

Any binder doing this, is not a bunny, and most probably is a high, and =
by that point will probably be able to keep a couple of types of ritual =
golems active for at least 24 hours on  one activation, so virtually =
perimantly active.
It just becomes a 'cool' thing to do, to create a perminatly active =
golem at that point regardless of the method or cost.

I mean the options of 10 seconds + 20K for a permanent Golem or 24 weeks
+ 30K seems pretty ludicrous.=20

Which I think is why Stephen wanted to make Sk spells and all rituals 20 =
k. so the cost of a perminant golem is 20k regardless of how you get =
there.

As far as I can see (having never played a binder) there are no
circumstances other than Flesh Golem where the binder who adventures
would ever perform the rituals.=20
Necros do flesh golems not binders. They can get Perminacy from the =
guild.

Binders divinate items quicker than Namers, they have a ritual that =
creates things for days, need an extra tent or a ladder, a chest, maybe =
even a small boat or a cart (with greater ranks) give the binder an =
hour.
I find the rituals just as usefully as spells on adventure.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff>So it =
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10 seconds, it 25k plus for the golem ritual &amp;&nbsp;learning and =
ranking=20
time, 20k for the instant golem spell&nbsp;&amp; learning and ranking =
time to Rk=20
12+, and then peminancy is not taught at th guild&nbsp;and is valued at=20
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active.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Any binder doing this, =
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bunny, and most probably is a high, and by that point&nbsp;will probably =
be able=20
to keep a couple of types of ritual golems active for at least 24 hours =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>It just becomes a =
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of=20
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20K for a=20
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Sk spells=20
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of how=20
you get there.</FONT><BR><BR>As far as I can see (having never played a =
binder)=20
there are no<BR>circumstances other than Flesh Golem where the binder =
who=20
adventures<BR>would ever perform the rituals. </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff>Necros do flesh golems not binders. They can =
get=20
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greater=20
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> You need to rank the rituals to increase the effectiveness/quality of =
the golems, but since (as a
> player) I got Instant Golem I have not used any of the big rituals.

My Binder has only ever used the rituals for R&S golems or for wooden =
ones, as servants.

> Before then I had taken the time out to create a couple of stone =
golems but very rarely took them
> adventuring.  They can't ride, can't fly, nobody wants to walk =
everywhere so they get left behind.
> I have used the Clay and R&S rituals on adventure but it is not =
common.

I use R&S golems on adventure, and expect to loose a couple, so take the =
stuff to make more.
I also have a wooden servant to carry my extra gear, but wood are about =
it for easy transport. Even Itemised Eeyore is still 25 lbs to hawl =
about.
A stone golem has got to weigh at more than 10 times as much.
=20
> Instant Golem and Itemisation are the Adventuring Binder's friends.  =
Without them it is extremely
> hard to use any golem larger that R&S on adventure.

I'll agree with that, Eeyore wouldn't be viable without Itemization and =
I too use Instant golem for any other golems I might need, it gives you =
an extra body or more on the front line to absorb damage etc., that you =
can abandon if need be.

And that's what would keep permanently active Golems from being very =
common, at 20k their an expensive Item to loose.  And as they have =
limited intelligence, not sentience they have limited use, even as Items =
around the house.

Permanently active golems really have very little use as any thing =
except GM Monsters, an Inactive Golem can be taken over by the binder in =
the party, we can't take control of active ones so their best use is as =
Guards, more a GMs domain than an adventuring PCs.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&gt; You need to rank the rituals to =
increase the=20
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got=20
Instant Golem I have not used any of the big rituals.</FONT></DIV>
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only ever used=20
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stone=20
golems but very rarely took them<BR>&gt; adventuring.&nbsp; They can't =
ride,=20
can't fly, nobody wants to walk everywhere so they get left =
behind.<BR>&gt; I=20
have used the Clay and R&amp;S rituals on adventure but it is not =
common.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff>I use R&amp;S golems on adventure, and expect =
to loose=20
a couple, so take the stuff to make more.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff>I also have a wooden servant to carry my =
extra gear,=20
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25 lbs=20
to hawl about.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff>A stone golem has got to&nbsp;weigh =
at&nbsp;more=20
than&nbsp;10 times as much.<BR></FONT>&nbsp;<BR>&gt; Instant Golem and=20
Itemisation are the Adventuring Binder's friends.&nbsp; Without them it =
is=20
extremely<BR>&gt; hard to use any golem larger that R&amp;S on=20
adventure.<BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff>I'll agree with that, Eeyore wouldn't be =
viable without=20
Itemization and&nbsp;I too use Instant golem for any&nbsp;other golems I =
might=20
need, it gives you an extra body or more on the front line to absorb =
damage=20
etc., that you can abandon if need be.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff>And that's what would&nbsp;keep permanently =
active=20
Golems&nbsp;from being very common, at 20k their an expensive Item to =
loose.=20
&nbsp;And as they&nbsp;have limited intelligence, not =
sentience&nbsp;they have=20
limited use, even as Items around the house.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff>Permanently active golems&nbsp;really have =
very little=20
use as any thing except GM Monsters, an Inactive Golem can be taken over =
by the=20
binder in the party, we can't take&nbsp;control of active ones so their =
best use=20
is as Guards, more a GMs domain than an =
adventuring&nbsp;PCs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff>Helen</FONT></DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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[Carried forward from September due to abstentions].

*Problem:* The current equation for figuring armour construction times, [1 =
+
Rank / 2 =D7 Base number of days] is ambiguous. Read according to mathemati=
cal
rules the equation results in all Effective Rk 0 armour requiring 1 day to
make.

The original intent was that Effective Rk 0 armour takes Base days to
construct, with the Base days sepcified for each type of armour.

*Solution:* Correct the formula to: (1 + (Rank / 2)) =D7 Base number of day=
s.
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[Carried forward from September due to abstentions].<br><br>
<p><b>Problem:</b> The current equation for figuring armour
construction times, [1 + Rank / 2 =D7 Base number of days] is ambiguous.
Read according to mathematical rules the equation results in all
Effective Rk 0 armour requiring 1 day to make.
</p><p>The original intent was that Effective Rk 0 armour takes Base
days to construct, with the Base days sepcified for each type of
armour.
</p><p><b>Solution:</b> Correct the formula to: (1 + (Rank / 2)) =D7 Base n=
umber of days.
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Stephen Martin wrote:

>It is already in the rules in the intro of healer:
>"A healer may also use their abilities upon animals
>which they have Beastmaster (§35) familiarity. However
>non sentients cannot be resurrected."
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>Kharsis said:
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>>IIRC it was decided some time ago that a beastmaster who was also a  healer could heal animals
>>at the lesser of beastmaster or healer.  This  addition was never added to the rule book but has
>>been played over that  time.
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>>I am unsure how to add this to the Wiki having not used it before.
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>>Scott Whitaker
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I stand corrected.

Would it be possible to have the wording added to Beastmaster?   It 
would be helpful to have it listed under both skills.


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> Any issue with noting it in Beast Master as well? We are
> even doing a small change for sub-skills anyway.

No problem as far as I can see - in fact that may be
desirable as some people may desire to print the pages that
are relevant to them for inclusion with character sheets.

However, for later editing, there shouyld be a note that
links healer and beastmaster there.

Keith


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