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As my initial E-mail on this has apparently been eaten in the deluge of posts, I'll restate what I said early on here.
   
  Given that the ArchAngels, are well, called ArchAngels in game all of the time, changing what type of creature they are defined as(which is where this discussion came from) will have no in game effect for conotations.
   
  However, what it will effect is rules in this case.  The definition of the ArchAngels as 'demon' type creatures, as well as their minions mean the Wiccan amulets work equally well against the powers of light or the powers of darkness, along with any funky weapons out there written to be effective against demons as well as any other abilities.  To me this makes perfect sense that Wiccan amulets function against all the powers, and to change this would give an undue bias to the equation also.
   
  Changing the wording of what sort of creature they are behind the common terms people call them will result in a change to the functions of the game, and if people do want that change, this must be considered and discussed also.
   
  Changing the common usage terms, well, I'm perfectly happy with the current descriptions, though agree some more detail availible would be excellent, but changing common usage terms needs to be seperated from changing game terms that have effects linked to them.
   
  Bernard.


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<DIV id=RTEContent>As my initial E-mail on this has apparently been eaten in the deluge of posts, I'll restate what I said early on here.</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>Given that the ArchAngels, are well, called ArchAngels in game all of the time, changing what type of creature they are defined as(which is where this discussion came from) will have no in game effect for conotations.</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>However, what it will effect is rules in this case.&nbsp; The definition of the ArchAngels as 'demon' type creatures, as well as their&nbsp;minions mean the Wiccan amulets work equally well against the powers of light or the powers of darkness, along with any funky weapons out there written to be effective against demons as well as any other abilities.&nbsp; To me this makes perfect sense that Wiccan amulets function against all the powers, and to change this would give an undue bias to the equation also.</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>Changing the wording of what sort of
 creature they are behind the&nbsp;common terms people call them&nbsp;will result in a change to the functions of the game, and if people do want that change, this must be considered and discussed also.</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>Changing the common usage terms, well, I'm perfectly happy with the current descriptions, though agree some more detail availible would be excellent, but changing common usage terms needs to be seperated from changing game terms that have effects linked to them.</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>Bernard.</DIV><BR><BR>From Bernard Hoggins<br>nevyn0ad@yahoo.co.uk<p>
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following extensive consultation, we have determined the following nouns to be most useful, and the wiki will be adjusted immediately to give effect to these:

the Church => the Herd
a church => a stable
an archangel => a horse
an angle => a pony
a priest => a groom
a bishop => an equiry
the sacriments => hay
vestments => silks
ceremony => trots

for example, the Herd of teh One Horned God will worship in a stable, with the groom wearing silks and leading the trots. Eric may be considered a 'stallion' and the members of the Herd are the 'mares'. 


BTW - On further investigation it appears that Lysander, contrary to popular opinion, is not a pony. she does have some similarities to a pony. suggestions that this starts and stops near teh tail are rude.

Ian


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On 12/1/05, Bernard Hoggins <nevyn0ad@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>  The definition of the ArchAngels as 'demon' type creatures, as well as
> their minions mean the Wiccan amulets work equally well against the power=
s
> of light or the powers of darkness, along with any funky weapons out ther=
e
> written to be effective against demons as well as any other abilities.
>

Disagree -- and I'm the cause of the original confusion.

To clarify: the original Powers doc used the term "demon" for the generic
type of bot the PoL and PoD.  The PoD were tehn described as "Demons" -- th=
e
only difference being capitalization.  This was an error. There is nothing
in the original DQ rules to suggest that (then) Black Mage amulets protecte=
d
against the PoL.  Nothing was described about the PoL (other than their
opposition to magic), and there was certainly nothing to suggest that they
were in any way demonic, or that demonic wards would function against them.

The intended use of the generic term would have been much better served by
daemon (or as Jaqui has suggested, daimon), and looking through my Powers
docs last night, the never-published "Adventurer" version of the Powers doc
used "daemon".

Cheers,
Martin

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On 12/1/05, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Bernard Hoggins</b> &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:nevyn0ad@yahoo.co.uk">nevyn0ad@yahoo.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<div><s=
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<div>&nbsp;The definition of the ArchAngels as 'demon' type creatures, as w=
ell as their&nbsp;minions mean the Wiccan amulets work equally well against=
 the powers of light or the powers of darkness, along with any funky weapon=
s out there written to be effective against demons as well as any other abi=
lities.&nbsp;
</div></blockquote><div><br>Disagree -- and I'm the cause of the original c=
onfusion.<br><br>To clarify: the original Powers doc used the term &quot;de=
mon&quot; for the generic type of bot the PoL and PoD.&nbsp; The PoD were t=
ehn described as &quot;Demons&quot; -- the only difference being capitaliza=
tion.&nbsp; This was an error. There is nothing in the original DQ rules to=
 suggest that (then) Black Mage amulets protected against the PoL.&nbsp; No=
thing was described about the PoL (other than their opposition to magic), a=
nd there was certainly nothing to suggest that they were in any way demonic=
, or that demonic wards would function against them.
<br><br>The intended use of the generic term would have been much better se=
rved by daemon (or as Jaqui has suggested, daimon), and looking through my =
Powers docs last night, the never-published &quot;Adventurer&quot; version =
of the Powers doc used &quot;daemon&quot;.=20
<br><br>Cheers,<br>Martin<br></div></div><br>

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Hi All,

I would like to get the hold that is on the Rune Mage college removed. I
think we can allow players to start generating new Rune Mage Charaters for
play.

I know people are working on teh Rune Mage college but I dont think we
should have teh college on hold for as long as we have had, so I would like
it to be opened again under the current version with the note added to the
front saying that the College is currently being worked on and will change
sometime in the future. This will warn players while allowing them to enjoy
playing a Rune Mage

I would like to add this to the agenda for voting on at the December 2005
Gods/Guild meeting.

Kind regards,

Jonathan Bean


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Horns blow in Seagate and the following announcement is made.

A huge victory for the Western Kingdom and the path north is open once more.


The valiant Western Kingdom 2nd Army in the Southern Ranke Salient has been 
fighting a number of fierce battles since the early days of Seedtime 805 in 
an attempt to reopen the overland route linking Carzala to the rest of the 
Western Kingdom.

Ten days and nights of continual battles across the 20 mile front saw the 
Western Kingdoms 2nd Army broke through the Dark Circles lines in the north 
and destroyed nearly a third in a single assault on the morning of the 16th 
of Seedtime.

Bishop Trugood was leading a counter-charge (to relieve pressure on the 
Zumalar Halberdiers Regiment) in the area of Hudson’s valley with cavalry 
from the Archbishop’s Mitre Brigade when the enemy seemed to falter in their 
resolve after many weeks of evil magic’s, vile undead and stiff resistance 
to the church forces.

Bishop Trugood who is renowned for his ‘sparing of the rod when there is a 
good length of steel available’ approach to evil took the opportunity and 
called up the reserves from the Lisbroun, Oppenbach and Klugenfurt Regiments 
and charged into the disarrayed Dark Circle lines with great glee and sheer 
abandonment in the cause of Uriel.

The Mitre Brigade’s charge broke through and once the Lisbroun ‘Shield 
Breaker’ Heavy Cavalry (led by General Mac Niel of Unsreimer) and the 
Klugenfurt ‘Stone Spears’ Regiment (led by Marshall Alex Metternich of 
Walantoun) joined forces they continued on through to the northern command 
area where a lot of the Undead seemed to be milling around until they were 
destroyed by the combined forces of the 2nd Army and the Unified Western 
Church.    The cavalry then wheeled away from the destruction of the command 
area and back into the rear of the enemy southern front lines which they 
took by surprise and practically destroyed.   The famous ‘Red Lancers’ of 
the Oppenbach Regiment (led by General Montague of Ostow) followed the 
cavalry as a second wave and completed the mopping up of the command area 
and then attacked the rear of the enemy northern front lines and completed 
their destruction.

The enemy withdrew back to the Hilston Vale and fortified that area against 
further WK attacks.   The WK forces rejoiced in the knowledge that as of the 
18th of Seedtime, the road to the north is again open to travel with the 2nd 
Army / Unified Western Church forces from the north and the 3rd Carzalan 
Brigade from the south joining forces to push the enemy eastwards.

The 2nd Army forces have proven their mettle in these battles and will 
continue mopping up further pockets while more forces pass by road down to 
Carzala to relieve the valiant units in and around Seagate.

“Let all remember and offer thanks to those brave few who gave their all and 
succeeded against the darkness”.

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If I roll teh rune mage will I be able to pwn teh n00bs?



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From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
Jonathan Bean - TME
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2005 10:14 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq] Rune Mages


Hi All,

I would like to get the hold that is on the Rune Mage college removed. I
think we can allow players to start generating new Rune Mage Charaters for
play.

I know people are working on teh Rune Mage college but I dont think we
should have teh college on hold for as long as we have had, so I would like
it to be opened again under the current version with the note added to the
front saying that the College is currently being worked on and will change
sometime in the future. This will warn players while allowing them to enjoy
playing a Rune Mage

I would like to add this to the agenda for voting on at the December 2005
Gods/Guild meeting.

Kind regards,

Jonathan Bean


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> If I roll teh rune mage will I be able to pwn teh n00bs?

They specialise in writing and language so I think you just disqualified
yourself. 

Mandos
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you can roll a rune mage, throw a rune mage, dunk a rune mage. hell there are all sorts of party tricks involving rune mages :-D

just dont gm one till they get the college sorted...

Ian

> 
> From: Simpson@smtp.sig.net.nz, "\ Mark\ \(NZ\)" <SimpsoM2@anz.com>
> Date: 2005/12/01 Thu PM 01:45:33 GMT+13:00
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Rune Mages
> 
> If I roll teh rune mage will I be able to pwn teh n00bs?
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
> Jonathan Bean - TME
> Sent: Friday, 2 December 2005 10:14 a.m.
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: [dq] Rune Mages
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I would like to get the hold that is on the Rune Mage college removed. I
> think we can allow players to start generating new Rune Mage Charaters for
> play.
> 
> I know people are working on teh Rune Mage college but I dont think we
> should have teh college on hold for as long as we have had, so I would like
> it to be opened again under the current version with the note added to the
> front saying that the College is currently being worked on and will change
> sometime in the future. This will warn players while allowing them to enjoy
> playing a Rune Mage
> 
> I would like to add this to the agenda for voting on at the December 2005
> Gods/Guild meeting.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Jonathan Bean
> 
> 
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Ok I will roll-up a rune mage then.
Thanks

Jonathan Bean

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dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz
Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2005 5:09 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Rune Mages



you can roll a rune mage, throw a rune mage, dunk a rune mage. hell there
are all sorts of party tricks involving rune mages :-D

just dont gm one till they get the college sorted...

Ian

>
> From: Simpson@smtp.sig.net.nz, "\ Mark\ \(NZ\)" <SimpsoM2@anz.com>
> Date: 2005/12/01 Thu PM 01:45:33 GMT+13:00
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Rune Mages
>
> If I roll teh rune mage will I be able to pwn teh n00bs?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
> Jonathan Bean - TME
> Sent: Friday, 2 December 2005 10:14 a.m.
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: [dq] Rune Mages
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I would like to get the hold that is on the Rune Mage college removed. I
> think we can allow players to start generating new Rune Mage Charaters for
> play.
>
> I know people are working on teh Rune Mage college but I dont think we
> should have teh college on hold for as long as we have had, so I would
like
> it to be opened again under the current version with the note added to the
> front saying that the College is currently being worked on and will change
> sometime in the future. This will warn players while allowing them to
enjoy
> playing a Rune Mage
>
> I would like to add this to the agenda for voting on at the December 2005
> Gods/Guild meeting.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jonathan Bean
>
>
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