SubjectRe: [dq] Land Use.
FromChris Caulfield
DateMon, 27 Feb 2006 06:41:36 +1300
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Mandos,
Working from proportions derived from the Domesday book, our ';typical'
feudal village (hamlet) would comprise the lord, 10-11 Villeins, 8-9
cottars, 3-4 free tenants and 2-3 slaves plus dependants.
Villeins held up to 30 acres of land from the lord, together with ploughs,
carts & oxen.  In return, a yearly rent was paid and a number of services
rendered to teh lord, such as working on his domain for a certain number of
days per week.
Cottars, Crofters & 'Pytel holders' also held land from the lord but only
about 2-5 acres, but they rendered fewer services in return.

Cheers
Chris


On 2/26/06, Julia McSpadden <mcspadden@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
> http://www.io.com/~sjohn/demog.htm  George try this link
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mandos Mitchinson" <MandosM@adhb.govt.nz>
> To: <dq@dq.sf.org.nz>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:26 PM
> Subject: [dq] Land Use.
>
>
>
> The web is letting me down, or more realistically I am unable to put
> together a coherant search.
>
> Does anyone have a web reference or a reasonable guess at the numbers of
> Cottars, Villeins and Half-Villeins that would be reasonable in say 1000
> acres?
>
> I have rough figures on how much land the varing types would
> own/rent/use but no idea of the relationship between tennant lands and
> demense lands nor the volumes of each of the types of serf relative to
> each other.
>
> Any and all help appreciated.
>
> Mandos
> /s
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<div>Mandos,</div>
<div>Working from proportions derived from the Domesday book, our ';typical=
' feudal village (hamlet) would comprise the lord, 10-11 Villeins, 8-9 cott=
ars, 3-4 free tenants and 2-3 slaves plus dependants.</div>
<div>Villeins held up to 30 acres of land from the lord, together with plou=
ghs, carts &amp; oxen.&nbsp; In return, a yearly rent was paid and a number=
 of services rendered to teh lord, such as working on his domain for a cert=
ain number of days per week.
</div>
<div>Cottars, Crofters &amp; 'Pytel holders' also held land from the lord b=
ut only about 2-5 acres, but they rendered fewer services in return.<br>&nb=
sp;</div>
<div>Cheers</div>
<div>Chris</div>
<div><br>&nbsp;</div>
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Julia McSpadden</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mcspadden@xtra.co.nz">mcspadden@x=
tra.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><a href=3D"http://www.io.com/~sj=
ohn/demog.htm">http://www.io.com/~sjohn/demog.htm</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;George try=
 this link<br>
<br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: &quot;Mandos Mitchinson&quot; &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:MandosM@adhb.govt.nz">MandosM@adhb.govt.nz</a>&gt;<br>To=
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uesday, February 21, 2006 3:26 PM
<br>Subject: [dq] Land Use.<br><br><br><br>The web is letting me down, or m=
ore realistically I am unable to put<br>together a coherant search.<br><br>=
Does anyone have a web reference or a reasonable guess at the numbers of
<br>Cottars, Villeins and Half-Villeins that would be reasonable in say 100=
0<br>acres?<br><br>I have rough figures on how much land the varing types w=
ould<br>own/rent/use but no idea of the relationship between tennant lands =
and
<br>demense lands nor the volumes of each of the types of serf relative to<=
br>each other.<br><br>Any and all help appreciated.<br><br>Mandos<br>/s<br>=
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SubjectRe: [dq] Land Use.
FromErrol Cavit
DateMon, 27 Feb 2006 08:29:33 +1300
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Isn't the Domesday book going to reflect a time earlier than 'when' most of
our game-world is? 'Later' will be somewhat different, especially after the
large-scale plagues.
 
I have the small book '1000' that came out around 2000, detailing activities
in pre-Norman England if anyone thinks it useful.
 
Cheers
Errol

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Caulfield [mailto:chriscaulf@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 27 February 2006 06:42
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Land Use.


Mandos,
Working from proportions derived from the Domesday book, our ';typical'
feudal village (hamlet) would comprise the lord, 10-11 Villeins, 8-9
cottars, 3-4 free tenants and 2-3 slaves plus dependants.
Villeins held up to 30 acres of land from the lord, together with ploughs,
carts & oxen.  In return, a yearly rent was paid and a number of services
rendered to teh lord, such as working on his domain for a certain number of
days per week. 
Cottars, Crofters & 'Pytel holders' also held land from the lord but only
about 2-5 acres, but they rendered fewer services in return.
 
Cheers
Chris

 
On 2/26/06, Julia McSpadden < mcspadden@xtra.co.nz
<mailto:mcspadden@xtra.co.nz> > wrote: 

http://www.io.com/~sjohn/demog.htm <http://www.io.com/~sjohn/demog.htm>
George try this link

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mandos Mitchinson" < MandosM@adhb.govt.nz
<mailto:MandosM@adhb.govt.nz> >
To: < dq@dq.sf.org.nz <mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz> >
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:26 PM 
Subject: [dq] Land Use.



The web is letting me down, or more realistically I am unable to put
together a coherant search.

Does anyone have a web reference or a reasonable guess at the numbers of 
Cottars, Villeins and Half-Villeins that would be reasonable in say 1000
acres?

I have rough figures on how much land the varing types would
own/rent/use but no idea of the relationship between tennant lands and 
demense lands nor the volumes of each of the types of serf relative to
each other.

Any and all help appreciated.




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<DIV><SPAN class=676081719-26022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Isn't 
the Domesday book going to reflect a time earlier than 'when' most of our 
game-world is? 'Later' will be somewhat different, especially after the 
large-scale plagues.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=676081719-26022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=676081719-26022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I have 
the small book '1000' that came out around 2000, detailing activities in 
pre-Norman England if anyone thinks it useful.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=676081719-26022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=676081719-26022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=676081719-26022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Errol</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE 
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Chris Caulfield 
  [mailto:chriscaulf@gmail.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 27 February 2006 
  06:42<BR><B>To:</B> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Land 
  Use.<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>Mandos,</DIV>
  <DIV>Working from proportions derived from the Domesday book, our ';typical' 
  feudal village (hamlet) would comprise the lord, 10-11 Villeins, 8-9 cottars, 
  3-4 free tenants and 2-3 slaves plus dependants.</DIV>
  <DIV>Villeins held up to 30 acres of land from the lord, together with 
  ploughs, carts &amp; oxen.&nbsp; In return, a yearly rent was paid and a 
  number of services rendered to teh lord, such as working on his domain for a 
  certain number of days per week. </DIV>
  <DIV>Cottars, Crofters &amp; 'Pytel holders' also held land from the lord but 
  only about 2-5 acres, but they rendered fewer services in 
  return.<BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Cheers</DIV>
  <DIV>Chris</DIV>
  <DIV><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 2/26/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Julia 
  McSpadden</B> &lt;<A 
  href="mailto:mcspadden@xtra.co.nz">mcspadden@xtra.co.nz</A>&gt; wrote:</SPAN> 
  <BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote 
  style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><A 
    href="http://www.io.com/~sjohn/demog.htm">http://www.io.com/~sjohn/demog.htm</A>&nbsp;&nbsp;George 
    try this link<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Mandos 
    Mitchinson" &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:MandosM@adhb.govt.nz">MandosM@adhb.govt.nz</A>&gt;<BR>To: 
    &lt;<A href="mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</A>&gt;<BR>Sent: 
    Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:26 PM <BR>Subject: [dq] Land 
    Use.<BR><BR><BR><BR>The web is letting me down, or more realistically I am 
    unable to put<BR>together a coherant search.<BR><BR>Does anyone have a web 
    reference or a reasonable guess at the numbers of <BR>Cottars, Villeins and 
    Half-Villeins that would be reasonable in say 1000<BR>acres?<BR><BR>I have 
    rough figures on how much land the varing types would<BR>own/rent/use but no 
    idea of the relationship between tennant lands and <BR>demense lands nor the 
    volumes of each of the types of serf relative to<BR>each other.<BR><BR>Any 
    and all help appreciated.<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Land Use.
FromMartin Dickson
DateMon, 27 Feb 2006 10:09:10 +1300
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On 2/26/06, Julia McSpadden <mcspadden@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
> I think that in highly populated area you are looking at 1 hamlet every 8
> miles...


More likely one village every 2 to 2.5 miles.

Lots of on-line refs, though as usual little primary data... this one at
least looks scientific:
http://www.mtnforum.org/resources/library/hanox01a.htm

(Drawing a one mile circle around a village provides it with some 2000 acre=
s
of land -- less waste space).

Cheers,
Martin

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=3D"mailto:mcspadden@xtra.co.nz">mcspadden@xtra.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<div><s=
pan class=3D"gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padd=
ing-left: 1ex;">
I think that in highly populated area you are looking at 1 hamlet every 8<b=
r>miles...</blockquote><div><br>More likely one village every 2 to 2.5 mile=
s.<br><br>Lots of on-line refs, though as usual little primary data... this=
 one at least looks scientific:
<br><a href=3D"http://www.mtnforum.org/resources/library/hanox01a.htm">http=
://www.mtnforum.org/resources/library/hanox01a.htm</a><br><br>(Drawing a on=
e mile circle around a village provides it with some 2000 acres of land -- =
less waste space).
<br><br>Cheers,<br>Martin<br></div></div><br>

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Subject[dq] GMing stuff
FromJonathan Bean - TME
DateMon, 27 Feb 2006 10:11:30 +1300
Somethings I have found useful.

Creating Player Involvement;
Having things that the characters can do over the long term to the area and
want to return to do is worth doing as a GM.
* An item that the local people say was made locally and can be made better.
* Events that characters can become involved in.
* Having improvement to attributes/abilities from an event, happen in steps.
* Having something that works for a period of time then needs to be
'recharged' at XYZ place, and so the need for a party.

These sort of things.

Kind regards,

Jonathan Bean
Buisness Development Manager
TME -it's all about time
0800 55 33 66
021 173 4060 www.tme.co.nz


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SubjectRe: [dq] Land Use.
FromMandos Mitchinson
DateMon, 27 Feb 2006 10:16:51 +1300
> Working from proportions derived from the Domesday book, our
';typical' feudal village
> (hamlet) would > comprise the lord, 10-11 Villeins, 8-9 cottars, 3-4
free tenants and
> 2-3 slaves plus dependants.

Thanks for that Chris. 

Mandos
/s


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SubjectRe: [dq] GMing stuff
FromMandos Mitchinson
DateMon, 27 Feb 2006 10:22:16 +1300
> Creating Player Involvement;
> Having things that the characters can do over the long term 
> to the area and want to return to do is worth doing as a GM.
> * An item that the local people say was made locally and can 
> be made better.
> * Events that characters can become involved in.
> * Having improvement to attributes/abilities from an event, 
> happen in steps.
> * Having something that works for a period of time then needs 
> to be 'recharged' at XYZ place, and so the need for a party.

Given the close locality of the Fastness to Cazala, do you put
mechanisms in place to push players towards having to get an adventuring
party together which you then have to GM or do you allow people to
assume they have access to the area and can get some things done without
the GM by simply having been there?

I also have provided infomration and area's for people with some
benefits but I found I needed to come up with artificial constructs to
limit the availability of items and abilities that could be accessed.
How do you deal with this kind of issue?

Mandos
/s


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SubjectRe: [dq] GMing stuff
FromJonathan Bean - TME
DateMon, 27 Feb 2006 10:41:01 +1300
> Given the close locality of the Fastness to Cazala, do you put
> mechanisms in place to push players towards having to get an adventuring
> party together which you then have to GM or do you allow people to
> assume they have access to the area and can get some things done without
> the GM by simply having been there?

Yes the danger of the area (NPCs and Environment) means anyone entering the
area needs a party and game and GM.

> I also have provided information and area's for people with some
> benefits but I found I needed to come up with artificial constructs to
> limit the availability of items and abilities that could be accessed.
> How do you deal with this kind of issue?

I balance it with the calendar in mind. I like to have dates being a
limiting factor.
'Day of the Dead', Solstice etc

These help controll things.


Jono


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Subject[dq] Wiki.
FromMandos Mitchinson
DateMon, 27 Feb 2006 11:37:30 +1300
Just continuing to tidy up the Wiki and noted that there is no real
detail on the Kings and Queens of the Western Kingdom. 

Does anyone have information on any of these people or requirements that
need to be considered prior to me adding info on these people?

Mandos
/s


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echoing Martin,
it is important to recognise that there is a lot of waste: land that cannot support continuous use. Similarly there was usually a swath of land that is not used separating each village. (more land in England was placed under cultivation in world war two than in any time previously, and the greatest deforestation occurred during World War One - hence prior to 1913, there was much less land in cultivation and a lot more trees/forest.)

With the blessings on crops etc, it is unnecessary to cultivate the relatively poorer lands, and most people migrate to the towns and cities anyway - where they die of natural causes (manslaughter being the dominant cause of death for commoners in towns).

Most towns will be 10 to 20 miles apart, with 50 villages within 5 miles (i will have to check those figures), but you get the idea. Market towns will be about 50 miles apart, although regulation saw the reduction in markets, requiring a king's ordnance, so that perhaps France had 6 markets and fairs (oh my i am oversimplifying). Lets say that there were few large fairs, and merchants travelled to them from all over their region.

I do not see magic changing this basic economic order overly much - spices may move better being very small, but bolts of cloth will still be damn heavy. The roads should be better with elementals, but i have yet to encounter such a road...

Ian

> 
> From: Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com>
> Date: 2006/02/27 Mon AM 10:09:10 GMT+13:00
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Land Use.
> 
> On 2/26/06, Julia McSpadden <mcspadden@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> > I think that in highly populated area you are looking at 1 hamlet every 8
> > miles...
> 
> 
> More likely one village every 2 to 2.5 miles.
> 
> Lots of on-line refs, though as usual little primary data... this one at
> least looks scientific:
> http://www.mtnforum.org/resources/library/hanox01a.htm
> 
> (Drawing a one mile circle around a village provides it with some 2000 acres
> of land -- less waste space).
> 
> Cheers,
> Martin
> 
> 

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On 2/26/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Julia McSpadden</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:mcspadden@xtra.co.nz">mcspadden@xtra.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I think that in highly populated area you are looking at 1 hamlet every 8<br>miles...</blockquote><div><br>More likely one village every 2 to 2.5 miles.<br><br>Lots of on-line refs, though as usual little primary data... this one at least looks scientific:
<br><a href="http://www.mtnforum.org/resources/library/hanox01a.htm">http://www.mtnforum.org/resources/library/hanox01a.htm</a><br><br>(Drawing a one mile circle around a village provides it with some 2000 acres of land -- less waste space).
<br><br>Cheers,<br>Martin<br></div></div><br>


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Good reply Chris,

dont forget they also had to work the church lands one day a week, and could not work on saints days (about 60 a year) so each week would see:
one day off, sunday
one day on church lands
1, 2 or 3 days on lords lands, depending on season
rest on own lands.

When coin became common, the church took a tithe (being one tenth) and the lord or government took a nineth (of the rest being 1/10th of the original total).

By the end of the 14th century many lords were 'farming' their lands, which is a verb meaning the hiring of contract labourers to work their lands rather than having tennants. the scottish enclosures of some centuries later had a similar effect of alienating the villains etc from lands they had historically worked and drawn sustenance from. and hastened their departures to places foreign, like the market town 50 miles away.

Ian

> 
> From: Chris Caulfield <chriscaulf@gmail.com>
> Date: 2006/02/27 Mon AM 06:41:36 GMT+13:00
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Land Use.
> 
> Mandos,
> Working from proportions derived from the Domesday book, our ';typical'
> feudal village (hamlet) would comprise the lord, 10-11 Villeins, 8-9
> cottars, 3-4 free tenants and 2-3 slaves plus dependants.
> Villeins held up to 30 acres of land from the lord, together with ploughs,
> carts & oxen.  In return, a yearly rent was paid and a number of services
> rendered to teh lord, such as working on his domain for a certain number of
> days per week.
> Cottars, Crofters & 'Pytel holders' also held land from the lord but only
> about 2-5 acres, but they rendered fewer services in return.
> 
> Cheers
> Chris
> 
> 
> On 2/26/06, Julia McSpadden <mcspadden@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.io.com/~sjohn/demog.htm  George try this link
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mandos Mitchinson" <MandosM@adhb.govt.nz>
> > To: <dq@dq.sf.org.nz>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:26 PM
> > Subject: [dq] Land Use.
> >
> >
> >
> > The web is letting me down, or more realistically I am unable to put
> > together a coherant search.
> >
> > Does anyone have a web reference or a reasonable guess at the numbers of
> > Cottars, Villeins and Half-Villeins that would be reasonable in say 1000
> > acres?
> >
> > I have rough figures on how much land the varing types would
> > own/rent/use but no idea of the relationship between tennant lands and
> > demense lands nor the volumes of each of the types of serf relative to
> > each other.
> >
> > Any and all help appreciated.
> >
> > Mandos
> > /s
> >
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<div>Mandos,</div>
<div>Working from proportions derived from the Domesday book, our ';typical' feudal village (hamlet) would comprise the lord, 10-11 Villeins, 8-9 cottars, 3-4 free tenants and 2-3 slaves plus dependants.</div>
<div>Villeins held up to 30 acres of land from the lord, together with ploughs, carts &amp; oxen.&nbsp; In return, a yearly rent was paid and a number of services rendered to teh lord, such as working on his domain for a certain number of days per week.
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<div>Cottars, Crofters &amp; 'Pytel holders' also held land from the lord but only about 2-5 acres, but they rendered fewer services in return.<br>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Cheers</div>
<div>Chris</div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 2/26/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Julia McSpadden</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:mcspadden@xtra.co.nz">mcspadden@xtra.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><a href="http://www.io.com/~sjohn/demog.htm">http://www.io.com/~sjohn/demog.htm</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;George try this link<br>
<br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: &quot;Mandos Mitchinson&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:MandosM@adhb.govt.nz">MandosM@adhb.govt.nz</a>&gt;<br>To: &lt;<a href="mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:26 PM
<br>Subject: [dq] Land Use.<br><br><br><br>The web is letting me down, or more realistically I am unable to put<br>together a coherant search.<br><br>Does anyone have a web reference or a reasonable guess at the numbers of
<br>Cottars, Villeins and Half-Villeins that would be reasonable in say 1000<br>acres?<br><br>I have rough figures on how much land the varing types would<br>own/rent/use but no idea of the relationship between tennant lands and
<br>demense lands nor the volumes of each of the types of serf relative to<br>each other.<br><br>Any and all help appreciated.<br><br>Mandos<br>/s<br><br><br>-- to unsubscribe notify mailto:<a href="mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz">
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Subject[dq] Pacted Members
FromMichael Scott
DateMon, 27 Feb 2006 22:48:24 +1300
Whispers in dark corners

"Did you hear that a party just brought back three slabs of consecrated 
temple walls from Cauldersfeild?"

"I heard they are looking for members who are followers to sell them off."

"The slabs are inscribed with the Powers sigils writen in the blood of 
idiots."

"Don't you mean innocents?"

"No pretty sure the summoners were idiots."

"Visargo, Orabus and Iphos are the names I've heard mentioned."

"No names but guild security should know who interested parties should talk 
to."

(ooc email zcmendoza@yahoo.com to enquire)

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