SubjectRe: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.
FromAndrew Withy \(DSL AK\)
DateThu, 20 Apr 2006 08:16:40 +1200
I think we decided not to deliberately distribute copies outside the the
guild, to avoid copyright problems (under some "for private use"
clause)? People who "happened" to pick it up from the web were then on
their own. I can't recall the details, and have no particularly strong
opinion, but was there a decision made?

On a more technical note, I believe the Rule book is only in Latec &
PDF, but the GM Guide is certainly available in Word. There are Latec to
Word convertors, but Todd may have the same problem with them...

Andrew

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From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Jacqui Smith
Sent: Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:30 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.



>Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:47:11 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Todd Douglas <uzikael@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Handbook Word Doc.
>To: flamis@ihug.co.nz
>
>Please pardon the intrusion.  I am trying to get a copy of the Handbook
>(2004) and GM Guide in MS Word format.  My PDF to Word converter isn't 
>very good.  I'm not sure who to contact about it.  Can you help?
>
>I picked out your email from the Seagate Times and I hope you don't 
>mind.
>
>Thanks,
>Todd

Can anyone help this person? Keith and I only have the pdfs.

Jacqui


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FromErrol Cavit
DateThu, 20 Apr 2006 09:19:16 +1200
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Withy (DSL AK) [mailto:AndrewW@datacom.co.nz]
> Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2006 08:17
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.
> 
> 
> I think we decided not to deliberately distribute copies 
> outside the the
> guild, to avoid copyright problems (under some "for private use"
> clause)? People who "happened" to pick it up from the web were then on
> their own. I can't recall the details, and have no particularly strong
> opinion, but was there a decision made?

We then made more enquiries of the people who we think have inherited the
copyright, and they said 'we don't care about non-commercial use of any old
stuff that we may happen to own' (and I think the trademarks have possibly
expired anyway?) On this basis it is OK to have it up on the web etc,
(subject to taking it down if someone complains), and they are very unlikely
bother having a go for any "damages" for stuff in the meantime as they said
"we don't care."

> 
> On a more technical note, I believe the Rule book is only in Latec &
> PDF, 

Correct. 
Various Word versions of individual sections exist (e.g. Rune, Spy) because
it is what people have tended to do change proposals in. To get from Word to
the Rulebook format for Rune, I started by saving as text to remove the Word
formatting codes, then put in the LaTex codes/tags.
Any later changes to the proposals of course aren't in these Word docs (e.g.
sub-skill changes to Spy).

but the GM Guide is certainly available in Word. There 
> are Latec to
> Word convertors, but Todd may have the same problem with them...

I thought he was asking about the PG, but the 2004 reference probably means
it's the Rulebook he's after.

Cheers
Errol

> 
> Andrew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On 
> Behalf Of
> Jacqui Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:30 p.m.
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.
> 
> 
> 
> >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:47:11 -0700 (PDT)
> >From: Todd Douglas <uzikael@yahoo.com>
> >Subject: Handbook Word Doc.
> >To: flamis@ihug.co.nz
> >
> >Please pardon the intrusion.  I am trying to get a copy of 
> the Handbook
> >(2004) and GM Guide in MS Word format.  My PDF to Word 
> converter isn't 
> >very good.  I'm not sure who to contact about it.  Can you help?
> >
> >I picked out your email from the Seagate Times and I hope you don't 
> >mind.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Todd
> 
> Can anyone help this person? Keith and I only have the pdfs.
> 
> Jacqui
> 
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/FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2006 08:17</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: Re: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I think we decided not to deliberately =
distribute copies </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; outside the the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; guild, to avoid copyright problems (under some =
&quot;for private use&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; clause)? People who &quot;happened&quot; to =
pick it up from the web were then on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; their own. I can't recall the details, and have =
no particularly strong</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; opinion, but was there a decision made?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>We then made more enquiries of the people who we =
think have inherited the copyright, and they said 'we don't care about =
non-commercial use of any old stuff that we may happen to own' (and I =
think the trademarks have possibly expired anyway?) On this basis it is =
OK to have it up on the web etc, (subject to taking it down if someone =
complains), and they are very unlikely bother having a go for any =
&quot;damages&quot; for stuff in the meantime as they said &quot;we =
don't care.&quot;</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; On a more technical note, I believe the Rule =
book is only in Latec &amp;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; PDF, </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Correct. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Various Word versions of individual sections exist =
(e.g. Rune, Spy) because it is what people have tended to do change =
proposals in. To get from Word to the Rulebook format for Rune, I =
started by saving as text to remove the Word formatting codes, then put =
in the LaTex codes/tags.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Any later changes to the proposals of course aren't =
in these Word docs (e.g. sub-skill changes to Spy).</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>but the GM Guide is certainly available in Word. =
There </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; are Latec to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Word convertors, but Todd may have the same =
problem with them...</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I thought he was asking about the PG, but the 2004 =
reference probably means it's the Rulebook he's after.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Andrew</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [<A =
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On </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Behalf Of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Jacqui Smith</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sent: Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:30 =
p.m.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:47:11 -0700 =
(PDT)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;From: Todd Douglas =
&lt;uzikael@yahoo.com&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;Subject: Handbook Word Doc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;To: flamis@ihug.co.nz</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;Please pardon the intrusion.&nbsp; I am =
trying to get a copy of </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; the Handbook</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;(2004) and GM Guide in MS Word =
format.&nbsp; My PDF to Word </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; converter isn't </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;very good.&nbsp; I'm not sure who to =
contact about it.&nbsp; Can you help?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;I picked out your email from the Seagate =
Times and I hope you don't </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;mind.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;Thanks,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;Todd</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Can anyone help this person? Keith and I only =
have the pdfs.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Jacqui</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.
FromJacqui Smith
DateThu, 20 Apr 2006 10:47:45 +1200
At 08:16 20/04/06, you wrote:
>I think we decided not to deliberately distribute copies outside the the
>guild, to avoid copyright problems (under some "for private use"
>clause)? People who "happened" to pick it up from the web were then on
>their own. I can't recall the details, and have no particularly strong
>opinion, but was there a decision made?
>
>On a more technical note, I believe the Rule book is only in Latec &
>PDF, but the GM Guide is certainly available in Word. There are Latec to
>Word convertors, but Todd may have the same problem with them...

I believe the gentleman was wanting copies of the Player's Handbook and 
GM's Guide. If somebody has those documents in Word format could they 
please forward him copies.

Jacqui


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SubjectRe: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.
FromErrol Cavit
DateThu, 20 Apr 2006 11:28:48 +1200
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I've just emailed him, and it is the Rulebook he is requesting.

Do we have issues with sending him an editable version (although I haven't
explained to him yet that my reference to a 'Latex document' is a
simplification of reality), given you can edit a pdf with Acrobat anyway?
I feel vaguely nervous about this, but I'm can't articulate why.

Cheers
Errol

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
> Jacqui Smith
> Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2006 10:48
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.
> 
> 
> At 08:16 20/04/06, you wrote:
> >I think we decided not to deliberately distribute copies 
> outside the the
> >guild, to avoid copyright problems (under some "for private use"
> >clause)? People who "happened" to pick it up from the web 
> were then on
> >their own. I can't recall the details, and have no 
> particularly strong
> >opinion, but was there a decision made?
> >
> >On a more technical note, I believe the Rule book is only in Latec &
> >PDF, but the GM Guide is certainly available in Word. There 
> are Latec to
> >Word convertors, but Todd may have the same problem with them...
> 
> I believe the gentleman was wanting copies of the Player's 
> Handbook and 
> GM's Guide. If somebody has those documents in Word format could they 
> please forward him copies.
> 
> Jacqui
> 
> 
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I've just emailed him, and it is the Rulebook he is =
requesting.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Do we have issues with sending him an editable =
version (although I haven't explained to him yet that my reference to a =
'Latex document' is a simplification of reality), given you can edit a =
pdf with Acrobat anyway?</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I feel vaguely nervous about this, but I'm can't =
articulate why.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz">mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</A>]O=
n Behalf Of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Jacqui Smith</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2006 10:48</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: Re: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; At 08:16 20/04/06, you wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;I think we decided not to deliberately =
distribute copies </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; outside the the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;guild, to avoid copyright problems (under =
some &quot;for private use&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;clause)? People who &quot;happened&quot; to =
pick it up from the web </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; were then on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;their own. I can't recall the details, and =
have no </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; particularly strong</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;opinion, but was there a decision =
made?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;On a more technical note, I believe the =
Rule book is only in Latec &amp;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;PDF, but the GM Guide is certainly =
available in Word. There </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; are Latec to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;Word convertors, but Todd may have the same =
problem with them...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I believe the gentleman was wanting copies of =
the Player's </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Handbook and </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; GM's Guide. If somebody has those documents in =
Word format could they </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; please forward him copies.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Jacqui</FONT>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.
FromMartin Dickson
DateThu, 20 Apr 2006 12:32:50 +1200
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On 4/20/06, Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz> wrote:
>
> I feel vaguely nervous about this, but I'm can't articulate why.
>

Ditto.

Do we know why the gentleman wants Doc over PDF?  (Doc over LaTeX is one
thing, but doc over pdf suggests a desire to edit).

- Martin

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On 4/20/06, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Errol Cavit</b> &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:ecavit@tollnz.co.nz">ecavit@tollnz.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<div><span clas=
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: 1ex;">
<div style=3D"direction: ltr;"><p><font size=3D"2">I feel vaguely nervous a=
bout this, but I'm can't articulate why.</font></p></div></blockquote><div>=
<br>Ditto.<br><br>Do we know why the gentleman wants Doc over PDF?&nbsp; (D=
oc over LaTeX is one thing, but doc over pdf suggests a desire to edit).
<br><br>- Martin<br></div></div><br>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.
FromMandos Mitchinson
DateThu, 20 Apr 2006 12:36:15 +1200
> Ditto.
> 
> Do we know why the gentleman wants Doc over PDF?  (Doc over LaTeX is
one thing, 
> but doc over pdf suggests a desire to edit). 

Assuming doom and gloom predictions of a worst case scenario....he edits
it.....

....and.....

....I'm not seeing anything bad on the horizon. 

Why do we care? Worst case scenario he make better rule choices than us
and won't share.

Mandos
/s


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SubjectRe: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.
FromErrol Cavit
DateThu, 20 Apr 2006 12:40:29 +1200
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From: Martin Dickson [mailto:martin.dickson@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:33
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.


On 4/20/06, Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz> wrote:
>> I feel vaguely nervous about this, but I'm can't
>> articulate why.

>Ditto.

> Do we know why the gentleman wants Doc over PDF?  (Doc over LaTeX is one
> thing, but doc over pdf suggests a desire to edit). 

Yes, he definitely wants to edit.

I assume his group has their own local rules in place. I think he has asked
questions about rule interpretations etc before. Mandos can perhaps confirm?

I doubt there is anything nefarious involved.

Cheers
Errol

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</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:33</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.</FONT>
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<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On 4/20/06, Errol Cavit &lt;ecavit@tollnz.co.nz&gt; =
wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt; I feel vaguely nervous about this, but I'm =
can't</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt; articulate why.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Ditto.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Do we know why the gentleman wants Doc over =
PDF?&nbsp; (Doc over LaTeX is one</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; thing, but doc over pdf suggests a desire to =
edit). </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Yes, he definitely wants to edit.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I assume his group has their own local rules in =
place. I think he has asked questions about rule interpretations etc =
before. Mandos can perhaps confirm?</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I doubt there is anything nefarious involved.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.
FromMandos Mitchinson
DateThu, 20 Apr 2006 12:45:10 +1200
> I assume his group has their own local rules in place. I think he has
asked questions
> about rule interpretations etc before. Mandos can perhaps confirm?

He emailed me once to ask what 'Greater' referred to, other than that I
have no idea. 

Mandos
/s


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SubjectRe: [dq] Handbook Word Doc. You people worry about crap.
Fromraro002@ec.auckland.ac.nz
DateThu, 20 Apr 2006 12:55:16 +1200
O

my

God.

Jim

Quoting Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com>:

> On 4/20/06, Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> > I feel vaguely nervous about this, but I'm can't articulate why.
> >
>
> Ditto.
>
> Do we know why the gentleman wants Doc over PDF?  (Doc over LaTeX is one
> thing, but doc over pdf suggests a desire to edit).
>
> - Martin
>


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On 4/20/06, Mandos Mitchinson <MandosM@adhb.govt.nz> wrote:
>
> Why do we care? Worst case scenario he make better rule choices than us
> and won't share.


Specifically:  I'm very happy for him or anyone else to make personal /
private or even public use of the material that we collectively have
compiled and any material that I personally have contributed provided it is
a) non-commercial and b) credited.

Now, I'm pretty sure that he's unlikely to be doing anything commercial wit=
h
it, but would like any terms of use to be understood upfront.

I make the same terms available on material I have written and stored on th=
e
DragonQuest Vault
<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Eapollyon/dq_index.html>site by way of
one of the Creative
Commons licenses <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/>.

Would anyone object to extending the same terms and limitations to this
gentleman, and anyone else who desires access to our published material.

Cheers,
Martin

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On 4/20/06, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Mandos Mitchinson</b> &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:MandosM@adhb.govt.nz">MandosM@adhb.govt.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<div><s=
pan class=3D"gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padd=
ing-left: 1ex;">
Why do we care? Worst case scenario he make better rule choices than us<br>=
and won't share.</blockquote><div><br>Specifically:&nbsp; I'm very happy fo=
r him or anyone else to make personal / private or even public use of the m=
aterial that we collectively have compiled and any material that I personal=
ly have contributed provided it is a) non-commercial and b) credited.
<br><br>Now, I'm pretty sure that he's unlikely to be doing anything commer=
cial with it, but would like any terms of use to be understood upfront.<br>=
<br>I make the same terms available on material I have written and stored o=
n the=20
<a href=3D"http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Eapollyon/dq_index.html">DragonQue=
st Vault</a> site by way of one of the <a href=3D"http://creativecommons.or=
g/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/">Creative Commons licenses</a>.<br><br>Would anyon=
e object to extending the same terms and limitations to this gentleman, and=
 anyone else who desires access to our published material.
<br><br>Cheers,<br>Martin<br></div></div><br>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.
Fromraro002@ec.auckland.ac.nz
DateThu, 20 Apr 2006 16:45:19 +1200
And, while you're at it, why don't you warn him against opining dangerously, as
well. When you've nailed the poor bugger to the wall, perhaps you'll be happy.

What is this guy's email address, Jacqui. I'll convert the thing to .doc if he
wants it.

Jim.

Quoting Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com>:

> On 4/20/06, Mandos Mitchinson <MandosM@adhb.govt.nz> wrote:
> >
> > Why do we care? Worst case scenario he make better rule choices than us
> > and won't share.
>
>
> Specifically:  I'm very happy for him or anyone else to make personal /
> private or even public use of the material that we collectively have
> compiled and any material that I personally have contributed provided it is
> a) non-commercial and b) credited.
>
> Now, I'm pretty sure that he's unlikely to be doing anything commercial with
> it, but would like any terms of use to be understood upfront.
>
> I make the same terms available on material I have written and stored on the
> DragonQuest Vault
> <http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Eapollyon/dq_index.html>site by way of
> one of the Creative
> Commons licenses <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/>.
>
> Would anyone object to extending the same terms and limitations to this
> gentleman, and anyone else who desires access to our published material.
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
>


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SubjectRe: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.
FromMartin Dickson
DateThu, 20 Apr 2006 16:58:55 +1200
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On 4/20/06, raro002@ec.auckland.ac.nz <raro002@ec.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
>
> And, while you're at it, why don't you warn him against opining
> dangerously, as
> well. When you've nailed the poor bugger to the wall, perhaps you'll be
> happy.


All I'm suggesting is that we understand and specify any terms of use up
front so that no-one is surprised or upset.

I have suggested a very simple Creative Commons license for this.

You are reacting with unreasonable hostility.

- Martin

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On 4/20/06, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername"><a href=3D"mailto:raro002@ec.auck=
land.ac.nz">raro002@ec.auckland.ac.nz</a></b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raro002=
@ec.auckland.ac.nz">raro002@ec.auckland.ac.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<div><span clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">
</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rg=
b(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">And, while=
 you're at it, why don't you warn him against opining dangerously, as<br>we=
ll. When you've nailed the poor bugger to the wall, perhaps you'll be happy=
.
</blockquote><div><br>All I'm suggesting is that we understand and specify =
any terms of use up front so that no-one is surprised or upset.<br><br>I ha=
ve suggested a very simple Creative Commons license for this.<br><br>You ar=
e reacting with unreasonable hostility.
<br><br>- Martin<br></div></div><br>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.
Fromraro002@ec.auckland.ac.nz
DateThu, 20 Apr 2006 17:03:21 +1200
Quoting Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com>:

> All I'm suggesting is that we understand and specify any terms of use up
> front so that no-one is surprised or upset.

There's a sky above us, Martin. Any moment now it could fall down and kill us
all.  Let's get together and have a worry over that, too, while we're at it.
>
> I have suggested a very simple Creative Commons license for this.
>
I'm thinking...Who gives a rat's arse?

> You are reacting with unreasonable hostility.

I'm reacting with common bloody sense.

Jim.


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SubjectRe: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.
FromMartin Dickson
DateThu, 20 Apr 2006 17:24:52 +1200
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On 4/20/06, raro002@ec.auckland.ac.nz <raro002@ec.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
>
> There's a sky above us, Martin. Any moment now it could fall down and kil=
l
> us
> all.  Let's get together and have a worry over that, too, while we're at
> it.


It would be OT.

> I have suggested a very simple Creative Commons license for this.
> >
> I'm thinking...Who gives a rat's arse?


At least one of the authors.

> You are reacting with unreasonable hostility.
>
> I'm reacting with common bloody sense.


No.

Common sense would be to have a simple licence on all of our material in th=
e
same way as it is seen on any open source software project.

Our current 2004 rulebook states:
[The named contributors assert their right to this work. This rule book is
copylefted under the GNU Public License, version 2.0.]

(It probably should be the GFDL... but anyway...)

The 2005 GM's guide and the 2000 Player's Guide have no such licencing
statement.

It would be desirable to synchronize these -- on either the GFDL or one of
the other freely available licences that grant considerable latitude to the
next user while reserving some of the author's rights.

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On 4/20/06, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername"><a href=3D"mailto:raro002@ec.auck=
land.ac.nz">raro002@ec.auckland.ac.nz</a></b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raro002=
@ec.auckland.ac.nz">raro002@ec.auckland.ac.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<div><span clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">
</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rg=
b(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">There's a =
sky above us, Martin. Any moment now it could fall down and kill us<br>all.=
&nbsp;&nbsp;Let's get together and have a worry over that, too, while we're=
 at it.
</blockquote><div><br>It would be OT. <br></div><br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt =
0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">&gt; I have suggested a very simple Crea=
tive Commons license for this.
<br>&gt;<br>I'm thinking...Who gives a rat's arse?</blockquote><div><br>At =
least one of the authors. <br></div><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8e=
x; padding-left: 1ex;">
&gt; You are reacting with unreasonable hostility.<br><br>I'm reacting with=
 common bloody sense.</blockquote><div><br>No.<br><br>Common sense would be=
 to have a simple licence on all of our material in the same way as it is s=
een on any open source software project.=20
<br><br>Our current 2004 rulebook states:<br>[The named contributors assert=
 their right to this work. This rule book is copylefted under the GNU Publi=
c License, version 2.0.]<br><br>(It probably should be the GFDL... but anyw=
ay...)
<br><br>The 2005 GM's guide and the 2000 Player's Guide have no such licenc=
ing statement.<br><br>It would be desirable to synchronize these -- on eith=
er the GFDL or one of the other freely available licences that grant consid=
erable latitude to the next user while reserving some of the author's right=
s.
<br></div></div><br>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.
FromErrol Cavit
DateThu, 20 Apr 2006 17:26:38 +1200
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: raro002@ec.auckland.ac.nz [mailto:raro002@ec.auckland.ac.nz]
> Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2006 17:03
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.
> 
> 
> Quoting Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com>:
> 
> > All I'm suggesting is that we understand and specify any 
> terms of use up
> > front so that no-one is surprised or upset.
> 
> There's a sky above us, Martin. Any moment now it could fall 
> down and kill us
> all.  Let's get together and have a worry over that, too, 
> while we're at it.
> >
> > I have suggested a very simple Creative Commons license for this.
> >
> I'm thinking...Who gives a rat's arse?


At least a couple of people who have contributed to the document,
apparently. We would rather our work isn't used for commercial gain, and
would like to take a simple step to help achieve this.

Errol

> 
> > You are reacting with unreasonable hostility.
> 
> I'm reacting with common bloody sense.
> 
> Jim.
> 
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; All I'm suggesting is that we understand =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; You are reacting with unreasonable =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I'm reacting with common bloody sense.</FONT>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Handbook Word Doc.
Fromraro002@ec.auckland.ac.nz
DateThu, 20 Apr 2006 23:43:02 +1200
Quoting Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz>:


> > I'm thinking...Who gives a rat's arse?
>
>
> At least a couple of people who have contributed to the document,
> apparently. We would rather our work isn't used for commercial gain, and
> would like to take a simple step to help achieve this.


Well, there's precious little point in worrying about whether or not someone is
going to go off and make money out of it. And, indeed, so what if they do?
Their claim to make money wouldn't invalidate ours. This is dated and a matter
of public record.

Ultimately, this is simple neurosis, and there are two kinds of professional who
can deal with this. An IP lawyer or a therapist. Take your pick.

Jim.


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