SubjectRe: [dq] Curses and Objects - An ontrack reminder.
FromMichael Scott
DateFri, 28 Apr 2006 12:32:15 +1200


>From: Mandos Mitchinson <MandosM@adhb.govt.nz>
>Reply-To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
>To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
>Subject: Re: [dq] Curses and Objects - An ontrack reminder.
>Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:15:31 +1200
>
>
>Just to remind people the question is not whether we have cursed items
>in the game but...
>
>Should Major Curse (the spell) be able to target objects.

IMHO, yes.

TTFN
Michael

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SubjectRe: [dq] Curses and Objects.
FromAndrew Withy \(DSL AK\)
DateFri, 28 Apr 2006 12:55:55 +1200
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> Should Greater Curse be able to be used on Items?

What would cursing an item with Greater Curse do?=20
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(a) Make a shaped cursed item like a sword
I think this is shaping, and previous posts about removing curses on
items explain clearly why its bad as an available mechanic.
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(b) Curse the item so it is detrmentally afected.
This is a "negative-effort-for-the-object" permanent, size-changing
transmutation.
eg. aging a door so it crumbles, turning a chair into a footstool, "The
lock is now a muffin, I open the door."
I'm not sure that this ability is needed as a non-colleged spell.
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(c) storing a curse so it can be transmitted to a person.
This is a magical trap, and the EN cost should be paid for the
entity-effect. No object target needed.
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So, I can't see any reason why item cursing is needed. If someone can
explain what it should do, and why its needed, I'm interested. Plain
"yes" votes aren't useful unless they clearly say what type of object
curse they mean.
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Andrew

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storing a curse so it can be transmitted to a =
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SubjectRe: [dq] Curses and Objects.
FromMartin Dickson
DateFri, 28 Apr 2006 13:40:48 +1200
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On 4/28/06, DSL AK) <AndrewW@datacom.co.nz> <Andrew\Withy\\> wrote:
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>
>
(c) storing a curse so it can be transmitted to a person.
> This is a magical trap, and the EN cost should be paid for the
> entity-effect. No object target needed.
>

Agreed -- if people do want this tailored to Greater Curse it could be
better to make a special Magical Trap option for the spell that does not
require a Mechanician's mechanical devices:  e.g. by casting Greater Curse
as a ritual (by spending an hour or more in Ritual Preparation) the Adept
may magically trap an item so that the curse is released on a being touchin=
g
the item.

If desired, Ward-like conditions could be applied (e.g. 3rd elf to touch th=
e
item after the trap is laid).

The target would still be entity, the EN cost should still be paid.

Cheers,
Martin

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<span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">(c)=20
storing a curse so it can be transmitted to a person.</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">This=20
is a magical trap, and the EN cost should be paid for the entity-effect. No=
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object target needed.</font></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Agreed=
 -- if people do want this tailored to Greater Curse it could be better to =
make a special Magical Trap option for the spell that does not require a Me=
chanician's mechanical devices:&nbsp;=20
e.g. by casting Greater Curse as a ritual (by spending an  hour or more in =
Ritual Preparation) the Adept may magically trap an item so that the curse =
is released on a being touching the item.<br><br>If desired, Ward-like cond=
itions could be applied (
e.g. 3rd elf to touch the item after the trap is laid).<br><br>The target w=
ould still be entity, the EN cost should still be paid.<br><br>Cheers,<br>M=
artin<br></div></div><br>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Curses and Objects.
FromMichael Parkinson
DateFri, 28 Apr 2006 16:18:10 +1200
> > Should Greater Curse be able to be used on Items?

Yes, in my opinion.

>What would cursing an item with Greater Curse do? 

I think that the curse should effect the performance of the object or its wielder/possessor ... but ONLY while they possess it.  Anything analogous to ill-luck [e.g., Weapon that is -20 to hit], or a doom, or even *some* afflictions [e.g., a cursed gem that afflicts its possessor with clumsiness, or partial deafness, or *serious* ill-health].  
Clearly such curses are suited for malevolent, waspish charachters, not the heroes of Seagate ... but even a semi-virtuous PC may find it occassionally helpful ... e.g., a cart that is likely to be bogged down in the mud (handy if you want to sabotage the opposition; and somewhat more subtle than merely blowing it up or turning it into ash).

Formal guidelines *would* be helpful.  Failing that, as always, the GM concerned has the final say.  I would like it *if* one could insert confortable GTN related "Holes" in the curses -- e.g. Weapon is -20 expect in the hand of a dwarf; a gem that makes only Hobbits or goblins clumsy; etc


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