| Subject | [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK |
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| From | Martin Dickson |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:38:42 +1200 |
------=_Part_9933_23658550.1151541522735 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Folks, Opinions and precedents sought. I'm sure there's some PCs out there with MA into the 30's or GMs familiar with same; what has / hasn't been set as the maximum EP discount on General Knowledge spell and rituals for very high MA? Per 6.3 & 6.4, GK is discounted 5% * (MA - 15). This gives a 50% discount at (normal) human max, and would make GK free at MA 35. (One hesitates to think what might happen at MA 36 or above). :-) Cheers, Martin ------=_Part_9933_23658550.1151541522735 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Folks,<br><br>Opinions and precedents sought. I'm sure there's some PCs out there with MA into the 30's or GMs familiar with same; what has / hasn't been set as the maximum EP discount on General Knowledge spell and rituals for very high MA? <br><br>Per 6.3 & 6.4, GK is discounted 5% * (MA - 15). This gives a 50% discount at (normal) human max, and would make GK free at MA 35. (One hesitates to think what might happen at MA 36 or above). :-)<br><br>Cheers, <br>Martin<br> ------=_Part_9933_23658550.1151541522735-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK |
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| From | Andrew Withy \(DSL AK\) |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:49:31 +1200 |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69B15.E1CE15A3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Someone "given" MA 40 was told that they had to use their original ?26? MA for general discounts. But I understand he's misplaced that 40 MA now. =20 Otherwise, I haven't heard of anything past MA 27 (which elves could get at one time). MA past 26/27 seems pretty rare, for good reason. =20 =20 I'd be uncomfortable with the idea of general knowledge spells being free, but where to draw the line? If 27 MA is -60%, why not 28 MA @ 65% ? (repeat until -100%). Martin, I'd just not start anything I couldn't finish, if I was you... If you are giving out extreme MA, just say it doesn't count as MA for general discounts, as per purification, etc. =20 =20 Just a reminder for those who are unsure - MA from purification and other magical effects doesn't count for EP discounts (excluding any items specifically stating otherwise, of course). =20 Andrew -----Original Message----- From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Martin Dickson Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:39 p.m. To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK =09 =09 Hi Folks, =09 Opinions and precedents sought. I'm sure there's some PCs out there with MA into the 30's or GMs familiar with same; what has / hasn't been set as the maximum EP discount on General Knowledge spell and rituals for very high MA?=20 =09 Per 6.3 & 6.4, GK is discounted 5% * (MA - 15). This gives a 50% discount at (normal) human max, and would make GK free at MA 35. (One hesitates to think what might happen at MA 36 or above). :-) =09 Cheers,=20 Martin =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69B15.E1CE15A3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1543" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D032514300-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Someone "given" MA 40 was told that they had to use their = original ?26?=20 MA for general discounts. But I understand he's misplaced that 40 MA=20 now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D032514300-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D032514300-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Otherwise, I haven't heard of anything past MA 27 (which elves = could get=20 at one time). MA past 26/27 seems pretty rare, for good=20 reason.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D032514300-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D032514300-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D032514300-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>I'd be=20 uncomfortable with the idea of general knowledge spells being free, but = where to=20 draw the line? If 27 MA is -60%, why not 28 MA @ 65% ? (repeat = until=20 -100%). Martin, I'd just not start anything I couldn't finish, if I was = you...=20 If you are giving out extreme MA, just say it doesn't count as MA for = general=20 discounts, as per purification, etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D032514300-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D032514300-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D032514300-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Just a=20 reminder for those who are unsure - MA from purification and other = magical=20 effects doesn't count for EP discounts (excluding any items specifically = stating=20 otherwise, of course).</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D032514300-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D032514300-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Andrew</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr = align=3Dleft><FONT=20 face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20 dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <B>On Behalf Of=20 </B>Martin Dickson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:39=20 p.m.<BR><B>To:</B> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> [dq] Maximum MA = discount=20 on GK<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Hi Folks,<BR><BR>Opinions and precedents=20 sought. I'm sure there's some PCs out there with MA into the = 30's or GMs=20 familiar with same; what has / hasn't been set as the maximum EP = discount on=20 General Knowledge spell and rituals for very high MA? <BR><BR>Per 6.3 = &=20 6.4, GK is discounted 5% * (MA - 15). This gives a 50% discount = at=20 (normal) human max, and would make GK free at MA 35. (One hesitates to = think=20 what might happen at MA 36 or above). :-)<BR><BR>Cheers,=20 <BR>Martin<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> =00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69B15.E1CE15A3-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | [dq] Use of Unarmed by big / non-humanoid creatures |
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| From | Martin Dickson |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:57:41 +1200 |
------=_Part_9977_29700303.1151542661274 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Folks, Second question; seeking opinions and precedent: 3.14: "The Base Chance for a humanoid to strike with their primary hand is..." How do people handle unarmed SC and Damage for big creatures and for big sentient non-humanoids (small non-humanoids are also not covered, but realistically aren't much of an issue). Big humanoids appear covered by the standard rules, so if a PS 70 Titan uses unarmed they get the usual 2 x AG + (PS - 15) + other bonuses, and the DM is D-4 +18. What are the rules for sentient non-humanoids? Can that mature Gold Dragon forego his D+7 claw and opt instead to strike with his fist for D-4 +101? :-) Cheers, Martin ------=_Part_9977_29700303.1151542661274 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Folks,<br><br>Second question; seeking opinions and precedent:<br><br>3.14: "The Base Chance for a humanoid to strike with their primary hand is..."<br><br>How do people handle unarmed SC and Damage for big creatures and for big sentient non-humanoids (small non-humanoids are also not covered, but realistically aren't much of an issue). <br><br>Big humanoids appear covered by the standard rules, so if a PS 70 Titan uses unarmed they get the usual 2 x AG + (PS - 15) + other bonuses, and the DM is D-4 +18.<br><br>What are the rules for sentient non-humanoids? Can that mature Gold Dragon forego his D+7 claw and opt instead to strike with his fist for D-4 +101? :-) <br><br>Cheers,<br>Martin<br> ------=_Part_9977_29700303.1151542661274-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK |
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| From | Michael Parkinson |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:03:14 +1200 |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69B17.CCB4FE05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With SF, natural MA is 26 (racial max) ALWAYS purified -- That is, in the previous few years, SF always *functioned* at MA30. The opinion of my GMs, when asked & with which I concur, is that he ONLY has 55% discount [11 pts over 15] on MA (not 75%, being 15 points over). the functional ruling being Purification doesn't count, even if always in effect. =20 Additionally we've recently gained +1MA during the day ... but not yet been on a game since that came into effect last year. However, in my unchecked expenditure of EP, I've still stuck with the mere 55% discount. =20 =20 Racial maximum seems a good place to stop the discount. =20 Michael Parkinson (Ph 3737 599 ext 85858) Mathematics & Statistics Subject Librarian =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 =20 ________________________________ From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Martin Dickson Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:39 PM To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK Hi Folks, Opinions and precedents sought. I'm sure there's some PCs out there with MA into the 30's or GMs familiar with same; what has / hasn't been set as the maximum EP discount on General Knowledge spell and rituals for very high MA?=20 Per 6.3 & 6.4, GK is discounted 5% * (MA - 15). This gives a 50% discount at (normal) human max, and would make GK free at MA 35. (One hesitates to think what might happen at MA 36 or above). :-) Cheers,=20 Martin ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69B17.CCB4FE05 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2912" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D701305100-29062006><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>With SF, natural MA is 26 (racial max) ALWAYS = purified --=20 That is, in the previous few years, SF always *functioned* at = MA30. The=20 </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D701305100-29062006><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>opinion of my GMs, when asked & with which I concur, is = that he ONLY=20 has 55% discount [11 pts over 15] on MA (not 75%, being 15 points=20 over). the functional ruling being</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20 class=3D701305100-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2> =20 Purification doesn't count, even if always in = effect.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D701305100-29062006><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D701305100-29062006><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Additionally we've recently gained +1MA during = the day ...=20 but not yet been on a game since that came into effect last year. = However,=20 in my unchecked expenditure of EP, I've still stuck with the mere 55%=20 discount. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D701305100-29062006><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN = class=3D701305100-29062006></SPAN><SPAN=20 class=3D701305100-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Racial maximum=20 seems a good place to stop the discount.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN = class=3D701305100-29062006></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN = class=3D701305100-29062006></SPAN><FONT=20 size=3D2>Michael Parkinson (Ph 3737 599 ext 85858)<BR>Mathematics & = Statistics=20 Subject = Librarian<BR>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft> <HR tabIndex=3D-1> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz=20 [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Martin=20 Dickson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:39 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20 dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> [dq] Maximum MA discount on=20 GK<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV>Hi Folks,<BR><BR>Opinions and precedents sought. I'm = sure=20 there's some PCs out there with MA into the 30's or GMs familiar with = same; what=20 has / hasn't been set as the maximum EP discount on General Knowledge = spell and=20 rituals for very high MA? <BR><BR>Per 6.3 & 6.4, GK is discounted 5% = * (MA -=20 15). This gives a 50% discount at (normal) human max, and would = make GK=20 free at MA 35. (One hesitates to think what might happen at MA 36 or = above).=20 :-)<BR><BR>Cheers, <BR>Martin<BR></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69B17.CCB4FE05-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Use of Unarmed by big / non-humanoid creatures |
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| From | Michael Parkinson |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:11:07 +1200 |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69B18.E63C8B67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Big humanoids appear covered by the standard rules, so if a PS 70 Titan uses unarmed they get the usual 2 x AG + (PS - 15) + other bonuses, and the DM is D-4 +18.=20 =20 Titan could go unarmed ... but the 4x damage rule is MUCH more fun=20 What are the rules for sentient non-humanoids? Can that mature Gold Dragon forego his D+7 claw and opt instead to strike with his fist for D-4 +101? :-)=20 =20 Not if it stays in wyrmform. Technically, if it takes on humanoid form, you could go that way. However the last time I attacked a party with kung-fuing dragons in humanoid form --as one does on occasion-- I reduced the overstrengthing to a mere 1 per 5 points not 1 per 3. In effect, enough to take out a non-hero in a single blow. =20 Mind you, surprisingly many of the party survived ... so perhaps I was wrong=20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69B18.E63C8B67 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2912" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><BR>Big humanoids appear covered by the standard rules, so if a PS = 70 Titan=20 uses unarmed they get the usual 2 x AG + (PS - 15) + other bonuses, and = the DM=20 is D-4 +18.<SPAN class=3D748350401-29062006><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D748350401-29062006></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D748350401-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Titan=20 could go unarmed ... but the 4x damage rule is MUCH more=20 fun</FONT> </SPAN><BR><BR>What are the rules for sentient=20 non-humanoids? Can that mature Gold Dragon forego his D+7 claw and = opt=20 instead to strike with his fist for D-4 +101? :-) <BR><SPAN=20 class=3D748350401-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D748350401-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Not if=20 it stays in wyrmform. Technically, if it takes on humanoid form, = you could=20 go that way. However the last time I attacked a party with kung-fuing = dragons in=20 humanoid form --as one does on occasion-- I reduced the = overstrengthing to=20 a mere 1 per 5 points not 1 per 3. In effect, enough to take out a = non-hero in a single blow.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D748350401-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D748350401-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Mind=20 you, surprisingly many of the party survived ... so perhaps I was=20 wrong</FONT> </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D748350401-29062006> </SPAN></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69B18.E63C8B67-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK |
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| From | Errol Cavit |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:42:04 +1200 |
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Indeed, 'giving' extreme MA in the form of a Purification MA bonus, or
specifing it as acting as if it was gained from Purification (but in
addition to standard Purification) makes use of existing rules quite nicely.
I think this area is more a GM guideline thing than something it is worth
trying to make a rule for (not that I think Martin is advocating a rule at
this stage of the discussion). For instance, we could add a rule that racial
max is the max for MA EP discount, but a GM changes a PC's race to one with
extreme MA.
Cheers
Errol
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From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
Andrew Withy (DSL AK)
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:50
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK
Someone "given" MA 40 was told that they had to use their original ?26? MA
for general discounts. But I understand he's misplaced that 40 MA now.
Otherwise, I haven't heard of anything past MA 27 (which elves could get at
one time). MA past 26/27 seems pretty rare, for good reason.
I'd be uncomfortable with the idea of general knowledge spells being free,
but where to draw the line? If 27 MA is -60%, why not 28 MA @ 65% ? (repeat
until -100%). Martin, I'd just not start anything I couldn't finish, if I
was you... If you are giving out extreme MA, just say it doesn't count as MA
for general discounts, as per purification, etc.
Just a reminder for those who are unsure - MA from purification and other
magical effects doesn't count for EP discounts (excluding any items
specifically stating otherwise, of course).
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Martin Dickson
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:39 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK
Hi Folks,
Opinions and precedents sought. I'm sure there's some PCs out there with MA
into the 30's or GMs familiar with same; what has / hasn't been set as the
maximum EP discount on General Knowledge spell and rituals for very high MA?
Per 6.3 & 6.4, GK is discounted 5% * (MA - 15). This gives a 50% discount
at (normal) human max, and would make GK free at MA 35. (One hesitates to
think what might happen at MA 36 or above). :-)
Cheers,
Martin
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<DIV><SPAN class=584165300-29062006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Indeed, 'giving' extreme MA in the form of a Purification MA bonus, or
specifing it as acting as if it was gained from Purification (but in addition to
standard Purification) makes use of existing rules quite
nicely.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=584165300-29062006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=584165300-29062006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
think this area is more a GM guideline thing than something it is worth trying
to make a rule for (not that I think Martin is advocating a rule at this stage
of the discussion). For instance, we could add a rule that racial max is the max
for MA EP discount, but a GM changes a PC's race to one with extreme
MA.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=584165300-29062006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=584165300-29062006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Errol</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Andrew Withy (DSL
AK)<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:50<BR><B>To:</B>
dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on
GK<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=032514300-29062006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Someone "given" MA 40 was told that they had to use their original ?26?
MA for general discounts. But I understand he's misplaced that 40 MA
now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=032514300-29062006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=032514300-29062006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Otherwise, I haven't heard of anything past MA 27 (which elves could
get at one time). MA past 26/27 seems pretty rare, for good
reason.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=032514300-29062006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=032514300-29062006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=032514300-29062006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I'd
be uncomfortable with the idea of general knowledge spells being free, but
where to draw the line? If 27 MA is -60%, why not 28 MA @ 65% ? (repeat
until -100%). Martin, I'd just not start anything I couldn't finish, if I was
you... If you are giving out extreme MA, just say it doesn't count as MA for
general discounts, as per purification, etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=032514300-29062006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=032514300-29062006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=032514300-29062006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Just
a reminder for those who are unsure - MA from purification and other magical
effects doesn't count for EP discounts (excluding any items specifically
stating otherwise, of course).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=032514300-29062006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=032514300-29062006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Andrew</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Martin Dickson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:39
p.m.<BR><B>To:</B> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> [dq] Maximum MA
discount on GK<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Hi Folks,<BR><BR>Opinions and precedents
sought. I'm sure there's some PCs out there with MA into the 30's or
GMs familiar with same; what has / hasn't been set as the maximum EP
discount on General Knowledge spell and rituals for very high MA?
<BR><BR>Per 6.3 & 6.4, GK is discounted 5% * (MA - 15). This gives
a 50% discount at (normal) human max, and would make GK free at MA 35. (One
hesitates to think what might happen at MA 36 or above). :-)<BR><BR>Cheers,
<BR>Martin<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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| From | RPer 4eva |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:49:50 +1200 |
------=_Part_113845_18424806.1151545790449 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Recently there was an item given out that for 13 months raised the users MA to 35. I believe the purpose was specificaly to allow free ranking of GK spells. It was on a high level game and would take them out of play for over a year so it doesn't seem to bad to me. (For what little my opinion is worth) Overall though I would say that any GM is going to know about the xp benefits to MA and takes that into accout when giving out modifications to MA. Do we really need a new rule to govern this? Dylan On 6/29/06, Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz> wrote: > > Indeed, 'giving' extreme MA in the form of a Purification MA bonus, or > specifing it as acting as if it was gained from Purification (but in > addition to standard Purification) makes use of existing rules quite nicely. > > I think this area is more a GM guideline thing than something it is worth > trying to make a rule for (not that I think Martin is advocating a rule at > this stage of the discussion). For instance, we could add a rule that racial > max is the max for MA EP discount, but a GM changes a PC's race to one with > extreme MA. > > Cheers > Errol > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]*On Behalf Of*Andrew Withy (DSL AK) > *Sent:* Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:50 > *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz > *Subject:* Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK > > Someone "given" MA 40 was told that they had to use their original ?26? > MA for general discounts. But I understand he's misplaced that 40 MA now. > > Otherwise, I haven't heard of anything past MA 27 (which elves could get > at one time). MA past 26/27 seems pretty rare, for good reason. > > > I'd be uncomfortable with the idea of general knowledge spells being free, > but where to draw the line? If 27 MA is -60%, why not 28 MA @ 65% ? (repeat > until -100%). Martin, I'd just not start anything I couldn't finish, if I > was you... If you are giving out extreme MA, just say it doesn't count as MA > for general discounts, as per purification, etc. > > > Just a reminder for those who are unsure - MA from purification and other > magical effects doesn't count for EP discounts (excluding any items > specifically stating otherwise, of course). > > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] *On Behalf Of > *Martin Dickson > *Sent:* Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:39 p.m. > *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz > *Subject:* [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK > > Hi Folks, > > Opinions and precedents sought. I'm sure there's some PCs out there with > MA into the 30's or GMs familiar with same; what has / hasn't been set as > the maximum EP discount on General Knowledge spell and rituals for very high > MA? > > Per 6.3 & 6.4, GK is discounted 5% * (MA - 15). This gives a 50% discount > at (normal) human max, and would make GK free at MA 35. (One hesitates to > think what might happen at MA 36 or above). :-) > > Cheers, > Martin > > ------=_Part_113845_18424806.1151545790449 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline <div>Recently there was an item given out that for 13 months raised the users MA to 35. I believe the purpose was specificaly to allow free ranking of GK spells. It was on a high level game and would take them out of play for over a year so it doesn't seem to bad to me. (For what little my opinion is worth) Overall though I would say that any GM is going to know about the xp benefits to MA and takes that into accout when giving out modifications to MA. Do we really need a new rule to govern this? </div> <div>Dylan<br><br> </div> <div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/29/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Errol Cavit</b> <<a href="mailto:ecavit@tollnz.co.nz">ecavit@tollnz.co.nz</a>> wrote:</span> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <div> <div> <div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Indeed, 'giving' extreme MA in the form of a Purification MA bonus, or specifing it as acting as if it was gained from Purification (but in addition to standard Purification) makes use of existing rules quite nicely. </font></span></div> <div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">I think this area is more a GM guideline thing than something it is worth trying to make a rule for (not that I think Martin is advocating a rule at this stage of the discussion). For instance, we could add a rule that racial max is the max for MA EP discount, but a GM changes a PC's race to one with extreme MA. </font></span></div> <div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Cheers</font></span></div> <div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Errol</font></span></div> <blockquote dir="ltr" style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <div><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"></font></div> <div><span class="q">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target="_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target="_blank"> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>]<b>On Behalf Of</b> Andrew Withy (DSL AK)<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:50<br><b>To:</b> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz" target="_blank"> dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a><br></span></div> <div><span class="q"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK<br><br></span></div> <div></div></blockquote></div> <div><span class="q"> <div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Someone "given" MA 40 was told that they had to use their original ?26? MA for general discounts. But I understand he's misplaced that 40 MA now.</font></span> </div> <div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Otherwise, I haven't heard of anything past MA 27 (which elves could get at one time). MA past 26/27 seems pretty rare, for good reason.</font></span></div> <div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">I'd be uncomfortable with the idea of general knowledge spells being free, but where to draw the line? If 27 MA is -60%, why not 28 MA @ 65% ? (repeat until -100%). Martin, I'd just not start anything I couldn't finish, if I was you... If you are giving out extreme MA, just say it doesn't count as MA for general discounts, as per purification, etc. </font></span></div> <div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Just a reminder for those who are unsure - MA from purification and other magical effects doesn't count for EP discounts (excluding any items specifically stating otherwise, of course). </font></span></div> <div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Andrew</font></span></div></span></div> <div> <blockquote style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <div></div> <div lang="en-us" dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"></font></div> <div><span class="q">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target="_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target="_blank"> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Dickson<br></span></div> <div><span class="q"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:39 p.m.<br></span></div> <div><span class="q"><b>To:</b> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz" target="_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK<br><br></span> </div> <div></div></blockquote></div> <div><span class="q">Hi Folks,<br><br>Opinions and precedents sought. I'm sure there's some PCs out there with MA into the 30's or GMs familiar with same; what has / hasn't been set as the maximum EP discount on General Knowledge spell and rituals for very high MA? <br><br>Per 6.3 & 6.4, GK is discounted 5% * (MA - 15). This gives a 50% discount at (normal) human max, and would make GK free at MA 35. (One hesitates to think what might happen at MA 36 or above). :-)<br><br>Cheers, <br>Martin<br></span></div> <div> <blockquote></blockquote> <blockquote></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br> ------=_Part_113845_18424806.1151545790449-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
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| From | Andrew Withy \(DSL AK\) |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:54:05 +1200 |
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Thats potentially 200-300 thousand EP.
=20
This sort of behaviour shows that there is no need for rules, as people
have completely different ideas of acceptable behaviour. I'm sure the GM
has a good reason for this item, and I'm not going to ask who they are,
because I would have to kill them.
=20
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On
Behalf Of RPer 4eva
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 1:50 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK
=09
=09
Recently there was an item given out that for 13 months raised
the users MA to 35. I believe the purpose was specificaly to allow free
ranking of GK spells. It was on a high level game and would take them
out of play for over a year so it doesn't seem to bad to me. (For what
little my opinion is worth) Overall though I would say that any GM is
going to know about the xp benefits to MA and takes that into accout
when giving out modifications to MA. Do we really need a new rule to
govern this?=20
Dylan
=09
=20
On 6/29/06, Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz> wrote:=20
Indeed, 'giving' extreme MA in the form of a
Purification MA bonus, or specifing it as acting as if it was gained
from Purification (but in addition to standard Purification) makes use
of existing rules quite nicely.=20
=20
I think this area is more a GM guideline thing than
something it is worth trying to make a rule for (not that I think Martin
is advocating a rule at this stage of the discussion). For instance, we
could add a rule that racial max is the max for MA EP discount, but a GM
changes a PC's race to one with extreme MA.=20
=20
Cheers
Errol
=09
-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz <mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz> ]On Behalf Of
Andrew Withy (DSL AK)
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:50
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
=09
Subject: Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK
=09
=09
=09
Someone "given" MA 40 was told that they had to use
their original ?26? MA for general discounts. But I understand he's
misplaced that 40 MA now.=20
=20
Otherwise, I haven't heard of anything past MA 27 (which
elves could get at one time). MA past 26/27 seems pretty rare, for good
reason.
=20
=20
I'd be uncomfortable with the idea of general knowledge
spells being free, but where to draw the line? If 27 MA is -60%, why not
28 MA @ 65% ? (repeat until -100%). Martin, I'd just not start anything
I couldn't finish, if I was you... If you are giving out extreme MA,
just say it doesn't count as MA for general discounts, as per
purification, etc.=20
=20
=20
Just a reminder for those who are unsure - MA from
purification and other magical effects doesn't count for EP discounts
(excluding any items specifically stating otherwise, of course).=20
=20
Andrew
=09
-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz <mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz> ] On Behalf Of
Martin Dickson
=09
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:39 p.m.
=09
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK
=09
=09
Hi Folks,
=09
Opinions and precedents sought. I'm sure there's some
PCs out there with MA into the 30's or GMs familiar with same; what has
/ hasn't been set as the maximum EP discount on General Knowledge spell
and rituals for very high MA?=20
=09
Per 6.3 & 6.4, GK is discounted 5% * (MA - 15). This
gives a 50% discount at (normal) human max, and would make GK free at MA
35. (One hesitates to think what might happen at MA 36 or above). :-)
=09
Cheers,=20
Martin
=09
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D141365201-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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potentially 200-300 thousand EP.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D141365201-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D141365201-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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sort of behaviour shows that there is no need for rules, as people have=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D141365201-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D141365201-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Andrew</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <B>On Behalf Of =
</B>RPer=20
4eva<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 29 June 2006 1:50 p.m.<BR><B>To:</B>=20
dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on=20
GK<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Recently there was an item given out that for 13 months raised =
the users=20
MA to 35. I believe the purpose was specificaly to allow free ranking =
of GK=20
spells. It was on a high level game and would take them out of play =
for over a=20
year so it doesn't seem to bad to me. (For what little my opinion is =
worth)=20
Overall though I would say that any GM is going to know about the xp =
benefits=20
to MA and takes that into accout when giving out modifications to MA. =
Do we=20
really need a new rule to govern this? </DIV>
<DIV>Dylan<BR><BR> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dgmail_quote>On 6/29/06, <B =
class=3Dgmail_sendername>Errol=20
Cavit</B> <<A =
href=3D"mailto:ecavit@tollnz.co.nz">ecavit@tollnz.co.nz</A>>=20
wrote:</SPAN>=20
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
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<DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Indeed, =
'giving' extreme MA=20
in the form of a Purification MA bonus, or specifing it as acting as =
if it=20
was gained from Purification (but in addition to standard =
Purification)=20
makes use of existing rules quite nicely. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I think this =
area is more a=20
GM guideline thing than something it is worth trying to make a rule =
for (not=20
that I think Martin is advocating a rule at this stage of the =
discussion).=20
For instance, we could add a rule that racial max is the max for MA =
EP=20
discount, but a GM changes a PC's race to one with extreme MA.=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Errol</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff =
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dq>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A =
onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"=20
href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz"=20
target=3D_blank>dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</A> [mailto:<A=20
onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"=20
href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D_blank>=20
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</A>]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Andrew Withy (DSL=20
AK)<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:50<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"=20
href=3D"mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz"=20
target=3D_blank>dq@dq.sf.org.nz</A><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dq><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount =
on=20
GK<BR><BR></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3Dq>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Someone =
"given" MA 40 was=20
told that they had to use their original ?26? MA for general =
discounts. But=20
I understand he's misplaced that 40 MA now.</FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Otherwise, I =
haven't heard=20
of anything past MA 27 (which elves could get at one time). MA past =
26/27=20
seems pretty rare, for good reason.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I'd be =
uncomfortable with=20
the idea of general knowledge spells being free, but where to draw =
the line?=20
If 27 MA is -60%, why not 28 MA @ 65% ? (repeat until -100%). =
Martin,=20
I'd just not start anything I couldn't finish, if I was you... If =
you are=20
giving out extreme MA, just say it doesn't count as MA for general=20
discounts, as per purification, etc. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Just a =
reminder for those=20
who are unsure - MA from purification and other magical effects =
doesn't=20
count for EP discounts (excluding any items specifically stating =
otherwise,=20
of course). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Andrew</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTahoma =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3Dq>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A =
onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"=20
href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz"=20
target=3D_blank>dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</A> [mailto:<A=20
onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"=20
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dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Martin=20
Dickson<BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dq><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:39=20
p.m.<BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dq><B>To:</B> <A=20
onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"=20
href=3D"mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz"=20
target=3D_blank>dq@dq.sf.org.nz</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [dq] =
Maximum MA=20
discount on GK<BR><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dq>Hi Folks,<BR><BR>Opinions and precedents =
sought. =20
I'm sure there's some PCs out there with MA into the 30's or GMs =
familiar=20
with same; what has / hasn't been set as the maximum EP discount on =
General=20
Knowledge spell and rituals for very high MA? <BR><BR>Per 6.3 & =
6.4, GK=20
is discounted 5% * (MA - 15). This gives a 50% discount at =
(normal)=20
human max, and would make GK free at MA 35. (One hesitates to think =
what=20
might happen at MA 36 or above). :-)<BR><BR>Cheers,=20
<BR>Martin<BR></SPAN></DIV>
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| From | Jonathan Bean - TME |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:10:13 +1200 |
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MessageIt was me.
I gave out the item with the restriction that it was only for Earth General
Knowledge spells. Yes that is correct. This was not an error.
I for one would not do it for other collages, but given the lack of
characters/players interest in Earth GK spells I feel it is fine.
I would not do this for other collages after carefull consideration.
I do not see this as a 'loose thing at all'.
Jono
-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
Andrew Withy (DSL AK)
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 1:54 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK
Thats potentially 200-300 thousand EP.
This sort of behaviour shows that there is no need for rules, as people
have completely different ideas of acceptable behaviour. I'm sure the GM has
a good reason for this item, and I'm not going to ask who they are, because
I would have to kill them.
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
RPer 4eva
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 1:50 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK
Recently there was an item given out that for 13 months raised the users
MA to 35. I believe the purpose was specificaly to allow free ranking of GK
spells. It was on a high level game and would take them out of play for over
a year so it doesn't seem to bad to me. (For what little my opinion is
worth) Overall though I would say that any GM is going to know about the xp
benefits to MA and takes that into accout when giving out modifications to
MA. Do we really need a new rule to govern this?
Dylan
On 6/29/06, Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz> wrote:
Indeed, 'giving' extreme MA in the form of a Purification MA bonus, or
specifing it as acting as if it was gained from Purification (but in
addition to standard Purification) makes use of existing rules quite nicely.
I think this area is more a GM guideline thing than something it is
worth trying to make a rule for (not that I think Martin is advocating a
rule at this stage of the discussion). For instance, we could add a rule
that racial max is the max for MA EP discount, but a GM changes a PC's race
to one with extreme MA.
Cheers
Errol
-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf
Of Andrew Withy (DSL AK)
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:50
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK
Someone "given" MA 40 was told that they had to use their original
?26? MA for general discounts. But I understand he's misplaced that 40 MA
now.
Otherwise, I haven't heard of anything past MA 27 (which elves could
get at one time). MA past 26/27 seems pretty rare, for good reason.
I'd be uncomfortable with the idea of general knowledge spells being
free, but where to draw the line? If 27 MA is -60%, why not 28 MA @ 65% ?
(repeat until -100%). Martin, I'd just not start anything I couldn't finish,
if I was you... If you are giving out extreme MA, just say it doesn't count
as MA for general discounts, as per purification, etc.
Just a reminder for those who are unsure - MA from purification and
other magical effects doesn't count for EP discounts (excluding any items
specifically stating otherwise, of course).
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Martin Dickson
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:39 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK
Hi Folks,
Opinions and precedents sought. I'm sure there's some PCs out there
with MA into the 30's or GMs familiar with same; what has / hasn't been set
as the maximum EP discount on General Knowledge spell and rituals for very
high MA?
Per 6.3 & 6.4, GK is discounted 5% * (MA - 15). This gives a 50%
discount at (normal) human max, and would make GK free at MA 35. (One
hesitates to think what might happen at MA 36 or above). :-)
Cheers,
Martin
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me.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D097300502-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D097300502-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>I gave=20
out the item with the restriction that it was only for Earth General =
Knowledge=20
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face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Yes that is correct. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D097300502-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>This was not an=20
error. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D097300502-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>I for=20
one would not do it for other collages, but given the lack of =
characters/players=20
interest in Earth GK spells I feel it is fine. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D097300502-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>I=20
would not do this for other collages after carefull=20
consideration.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D097300502-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D097300502-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>I do=20
not see this as a 'loose thing at all'.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D097300502-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D097300502-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Jono=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D097300502-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz=20
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Andrew Withy (DSL=20
AK)<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 29 June 2006 1:54 p.m.<BR><B>To:</B>=20
dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on=20
GK<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D141365201-29062006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Thats potentially 200-300 thousand EP.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D141365201-29062006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D141365201-29062006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>This=20
sort of behaviour shows that there is no need for rules, as people =
have=20
completely different ideas of acceptable behaviour. I'm sure the GM =
has a good=20
reason for this item, and I'm not going to ask who they are, because I =
would=20
have to kill them.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D141365201-29062006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D141365201-29062006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Andrew</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <B>On Behalf Of =
</B>RPer 4eva<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 29 June 2006 1:50 =
p.m.<BR><B>To:</B>=20
dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on=20
GK<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Recently there was an item given out that for 13 months raised =
the=20
users MA to 35. I believe the purpose was specificaly to allow free =
ranking=20
of GK spells. It was on a high level game and would take them out of =
play=20
for over a year so it doesn't seem to bad to me. (For what little my =
opinion=20
is worth) Overall though I would say that any GM is going to know =
about the=20
xp benefits to MA and takes that into accout when giving out =
modifications=20
to MA. Do we really need a new rule to govern this? </DIV>
<DIV>Dylan<BR><BR> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dgmail_quote>On 6/29/06, <B =
class=3Dgmail_sendername>Errol=20
Cavit</B> <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:ecavit@tollnz.co.nz">ecavit@tollnz.co.nz</A>> =
wrote:</SPAN>=20
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<DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Indeed, =
'giving' extreme=20
MA in the form of a Purification MA bonus, or specifing it as =
acting as if=20
it was gained from Purification (but in addition to standard =
Purification)=20
makes use of existing rules quite nicely. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I think =
this area is more=20
a GM guideline thing than something it is worth trying to make a =
rule for=20
(not that I think Martin is advocating a rule at this stage of the =
discussion). For instance, we could add a rule that racial max is =
the max=20
for MA EP discount, but a GM changes a PC's race to one with =
extreme MA.=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Errol</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3Dq>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
<A=20
onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"=20
href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz"=20
target=3D_blank>dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</A> [mailto:<A=20
onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"=20
href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D_blank>=20
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</A>]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Andrew Withy (DSL=20
AK)<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:50<BR><B>To:</B> =
<A=20
onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"=20
href=3D"mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz"=20
target=3D_blank>dq@dq.sf.org.nz</A><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dq><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Maximum MA =
discount on=20
GK<BR><BR></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3Dq>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Someone =
"given" MA 40 was=20
told that they had to use their original ?26? MA for general =
discounts.=20
But I understand he's misplaced that 40 MA now.</FONT></SPAN> =
</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Otherwise, =
I haven't=20
heard of anything past MA 27 (which elves could get at one time). =
MA past=20
26/27 seems pretty rare, for good reason.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I'd be =
uncomfortable with=20
the idea of general knowledge spells being free, but where to draw =
the=20
line? If 27 MA is -60%, why not 28 MA @ 65% ? (repeat until =
-100%).=20
Martin, I'd just not start anything I couldn't finish, if I was =
you... If=20
you are giving out extreme MA, just say it doesn't count as MA for =
general=20
discounts, as per purification, etc. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Just a =
reminder for those=20
who are unsure - MA from purification and other magical effects =
doesn't=20
count for EP discounts (excluding any items specifically stating=20
otherwise, of course). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3Dq>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
<A=20
onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"=20
href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz"=20
target=3D_blank>dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</A> [mailto:<A=20
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href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D_blank>=20
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Martin=20
Dickson<BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dq><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:39=20
p.m.<BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dq><B>To:</B> <A=20
onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3Dq>Hi Folks,<BR><BR>Opinions and precedents =
sought. =20
I'm sure there's some PCs out there with MA into the 30's or GMs =
familiar=20
with same; what has / hasn't been set as the maximum EP discount =
on=20
General Knowledge spell and rituals for very high MA? <BR><BR>Per =
6.3=20
& 6.4, GK is discounted 5% * (MA - 15). This gives a 50% =
discount at (normal) human max, and would make GK free at MA 35. =
(One=20
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:-)<BR><BR>Cheers, <BR>Martin<BR></SPAN></DIV>
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| From | Jonathan Bean - TME |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:21:11 +1200 |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C69B87.45625400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have consider this very carefully. I gave out a high MA discount for a limited period for Earth GK spells, but only after careful consideration. I would not do it for other collages. I feel you should only do it with shaping character development in mind in line with a story line or story arc you are running. But still given it is a multi-GM /multi-player game take great care. I do not think we need a limit but GMs clearly need to think more than twice about it. Jono -----Original Message----- From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of Martin Dickson Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:39 p.m. To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK Hi Folks, Opinions and precedents sought. I'm sure there's some PCs out there with MA into the 30's or GMs familiar with same; what has / hasn't been set as the maximum EP discount on General Knowledge spell and rituals for very high MA? Per 6.3 & 6.4, GK is discounted 5% * (MA - 15). This gives a 50% discount at (normal) human max, and would make GK free at MA 35. (One hesitates to think what might happen at MA 36 or above). :-) Cheers, Martin !DSPAM:44a3216f875249912411468! ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C69B87.45625400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1555" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D314241702-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>I=20 have consider this very carefully. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D314241702-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D314241702-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>I gave=20 out a high MA discount for a limited period for Earth GK spells, but = only after=20 careful consideration. I would not do it for other = collages.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D314241702-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>I feel=20 you should only do it with shaping character development in mind in line = with a=20 story line or story arc you are running.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D314241702-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>But=20 still given it is a multi-GM /multi-player game take great=20 care.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D314241702-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D314241702-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>I do=20 not think we need a limit but GMs clearly need to think more than = twice=20 about it. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D314241702-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D314241702-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Jono</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> = dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz=20 [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Martin=20 Dickson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:39 = p.m.<BR><B>To:</B>=20 dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> [dq] Maximum MA discount on=20 GK<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Hi Folks,<BR><BR>Opinions and precedents = sought. =20 I'm sure there's some PCs out there with MA into the 30's or GMs = familiar with=20 same; what has / hasn't been set as the maximum EP discount on General = Knowledge spell and rituals for very high MA? <BR><BR>Per 6.3 & = 6.4, GK is=20 discounted 5% * (MA - 15). This gives a 50% discount at (normal) = human=20 max, and would make GK free at MA 35. (One hesitates to think what = might=20 happen at MA 36 or above). :-)<BR><BR>Cheers,=20 <BR>Martin<BR>!DSPAM:44a3216f875249912411468! = </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C69B87.45625400-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
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spells to rank 10 or 11 from 0 plus some time over to make others =
higher.
A reason I could see for doing that sort of thing would be to make a =
Mage out of a Higher level nonmage.
But just under standard playing, spells ep free, the time allowance is =
perhaps a little too long.
Helen
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From: Andrew ; Withy ; (DSL AK) <AndrewW@datacom.co.nz>=20
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz=20
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK
Thats potentially 200-300 thousand EP.
This sort of behaviour shows that there is no need for rules, as =
people have completely different ideas of acceptable behaviour. I'm sure =
the GM has a good reason for this item, and I'm not going to ask who =
they are, because I would have to kill them.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>13 months is 395 days thats and entire =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A reason I could see for doing =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But just under standard playing, =
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<A title=3DAndrew href=3D"mailto:Andrew">Andrew</A> ; <A title=3DWithy =
href=3D"mailto:Withy">Withy</A> ; <A title=3D"(DSL AK) =
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href=3D"mailto:AndrewW@datacom.co.nz>">(DSL AK)=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Ddq@dq.sf.org.nz=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 29, 2006 =
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discount on=20
GK</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D141365201-29062006><FONT face=3DArial =
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size=3D2>Thats potentially 200-300 thousand EP.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D141365201-29062006><FONT face=3DArial =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D141365201-29062006><FONT face=3DArial =
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sort of behaviour shows that there is no need for rules, as people =
have=20
completely different ideas of acceptable behaviour. I'm sure the GM =
has a good=20
reason for this item, and I'm not going to ask who they are, because I =
would=20
have to kill them.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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| Subject | Re: [dq] Use of Unarmed by big / non-humanoid creatures |
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| From | Jonathan Bean - TME |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:24:58 +1200 |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C69B87.CCE1ACF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have seen large humoniod creatures used as follows: Giant sized doing giant weapon damage Larger creatures than Giants doing 2 X damage Titans sized doing 4 X damage Jono -----Original Message----- From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of Martin Dickson Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:58 p.m. To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: [dq] Use of Unarmed by big / non-humanoid creatures Hi Folks, Second question; seeking opinions and precedent: 3.14: "The Base Chance for a humanoid to strike with their primary hand is..." How do people handle unarmed SC and Damage for big creatures and for big sentient non-humanoids (small non-humanoids are also not covered, but realistically aren't much of an issue). Big humanoids appear covered by the standard rules, so if a PS 70 Titan uses unarmed they get the usual 2 x AG + (PS - 15) + other bonuses, and the DM is D-4 +18. What are the rules for sentient non-humanoids? Can that mature Gold Dragon forego his D+7 claw and opt instead to strike with his fist for D-4 +101? :-) Cheers, Martin !DSPAM:44a325a1898771254810218! ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C69B87.CCE1ACF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1555" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D562382302-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>I have=20 seen large humoniod creatures used as follows:</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D562382302-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D562382302-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Giant=20 sized doing giant weapon damage</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D562382302-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Larger creatures than Giants doing 2 X = damage</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D562382302-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Titans=20 sized doing 4 X damage</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D562382302-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D562382302-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Jono</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D562382302-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> = dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz=20 [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Martin=20 Dickson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:58 = p.m.<BR><B>To:</B>=20 dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> [dq] Use of Unarmed by big / = non-humanoid=20 creatures<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Hi Folks,<BR><BR>Second question; = seeking=20 opinions and precedent:<BR><BR>3.14: "The Base Chance for a humanoid = to strike=20 with their primary hand is..."<BR><BR>How do people handle unarmed SC = and=20 Damage for big creatures and for big sentient non-humanoids (small=20 non-humanoids are also not covered, but realistically aren't much of = an=20 issue). <BR><BR>Big humanoids appear covered by the standard rules, so = if a PS=20 70 Titan uses unarmed they get the usual 2 x AG + (PS - 15) + other = bonuses,=20 and the DM is D-4 +18.<BR><BR>What are the rules for sentient=20 non-humanoids? Can that mature Gold Dragon forego his D+7 claw = and opt=20 instead to strike with his fist for D-4 +101? :-)=20 <BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Martin<BR>!DSPAM:44a325a1898771254810218!=20 </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C69B87.CCE1ACF0-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Use of Unarmed by big / non-humanoid creatures |
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| From | William Dymock |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:42:55 +1200 |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C69B8A.4ED40DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well there is the giant rule of +10 SC and an extra dice of damage for the moderatly big or granting the rtuly huge x2, x3, or even x4 damage. At those points however I ramp up the damage bases and increments accordingly. William -----Original Message----- From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of Martin Dickson Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:58 p.m. To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: [dq] Use of Unarmed by big / non-humanoid creatures Hi Folks, Second question; seeking opinions and precedent: 3.14: "The Base Chance for a humanoid to strike with their primary hand is..." How do people handle unarmed SC and Damage for big creatures and for big sentient non-humanoids (small non-humanoids are also not covered, but realistically aren't much of an issue). Big humanoids appear covered by the standard rules, so if a PS 70 Titan uses unarmed they get the usual 2 x AG + (PS - 15) + other bonuses, and the DM is D-4 +18. What are the rules for sentient non-humanoids? Can that mature Gold Dragon forego his D+7 claw and opt instead to strike with his fist for D-4 +101? :-) Cheers, Martin -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 27/06/2006 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C69B8A.4ED40DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1479" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D193503502-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Well=20 there is the giant rule of +10 SC and an extra dice of damage for the = moderatly=20 big or granting the rtuly huge x2, x3, or even x4 damage. At those = points=20 however I ramp up the damage bases and increments=20 accordingly.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D193503502-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D193503502-29062006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>William</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> = dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz=20 [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Martin=20 Dickson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:58 = p.m.<BR><B>To:</B>=20 dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> [dq] Use of Unarmed by big / = non-humanoid=20 creatures<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Hi Folks,<BR><BR>Second question; = seeking=20 opinions and precedent:<BR><BR>3.14: "The Base Chance for a humanoid = to strike=20 with their primary hand is..."<BR><BR>How do people handle unarmed SC = and=20 Damage for big creatures and for big sentient non-humanoids (small=20 non-humanoids are also not covered, but realistically aren't much of = an=20 issue). <BR><BR>Big humanoids appear covered by the standard rules, so = if a PS=20 70 Titan uses unarmed they get the usual 2 x AG + (PS - 15) + other = bonuses,=20 and the DM is D-4 +18.<BR><BR>What are the rules for sentient=20 non-humanoids? Can that mature Gold Dragon forego his D+7 claw = and opt=20 instead to strike with his fist for D-4 +101? :-)=20 <BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Martin<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C69B8A.4ED40DF0-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK |
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| From | Errol Cavit |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:43:40 +1200 |
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Note there was discussion about this specific item at
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<http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Talk:Scouting_of_the_Games>
Cheers
Errol
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Bean - TME [mailto:Jonathan@tme.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 14:21
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK
I have consider this very carefully.
I gave out a high MA discount for a limited period for Earth GK spells, but
only after careful consideration. I would not do it for other collages.
I feel you should only do it with shaping character development in mind in
line with a story line or story arc you are running.
But still given it is a multi-GM /multi-player game take great care.
I do not think we need a limit but GMs clearly need to think more than twice
about it.
Jono
-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
Martin Dickson
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:39 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK
Hi Folks,
Opinions and precedents sought. I'm sure there's some PCs out there with MA
into the 30's or GMs familiar with same; what has / hasn't been set as the
maximum EP discount on General Knowledge spell and rituals for very high MA?
Per 6.3 & 6.4, GK is discounted 5% * (MA - 15). This gives a 50% discount
at (normal) human max, and would make GK free at MA 35. (One hesitates to
think what might happen at MA 36 or above). :-)
Cheers,
Martin
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href=3D"http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Talk:Scouting_of_=
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size=3D2>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Jonathan Bean - =
TME=20
[mailto:Jonathan@tme.co.nz]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 29 June 2006=20
14:21<BR><B>To:</B> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] =
Maximum MA=20
discount on GK<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D314241702-29062006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
have consider this very carefully. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D314241702-29062006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D314241702-29062006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
gave out a high MA discount for a limited period for Earth GK spells, =
but only=20
after careful consideration. I would not do it for other=20
collages.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D314241702-29062006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
feel you should only do it with shaping character development in mind =
in line=20
with a story line or story arc you are running.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D314241702-29062006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>But=20
still given it is a multi-GM /multi-player game take great=20
care.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D314241702-29062006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D314241702-29062006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I do=20
not think we need a limit but GMs clearly need to think more =
than twice=20
about it. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D314241702-29062006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D314241702-29062006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Jono</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff =
2px solid">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz=20
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Martin=20
Dickson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:39 =
p.m.<BR><B>To:</B>=20
dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> [dq] Maximum MA discount on=20
GK<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Hi Folks,<BR><BR>Opinions and precedents=20
sought. I'm sure there's some PCs out there with MA into the =
30's or=20
GMs familiar with same; what has / hasn't been set as the maximum =
EP=20
discount on General Knowledge spell and rituals for very high MA?=20
<BR><BR>Per 6.3 & 6.4, GK is discounted 5% * (MA - 15). =
This gives=20
a 50% discount at (normal) human max, and would make GK free at MA =
35. (One=20
hesitates to think what might happen at MA 36 or above). =
:-)<BR><BR>Cheers,=20
<BR>Martin<BR>!DSPAM:44a3216f875249912411468!=20
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| Subject | Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK |
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| From | Michael Woodhams |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:44:36 +1200 |
On Thu, 2006-06-29 at 14:10, Jonathan Bean - TME wrote: > It was me. > > I gave out the item with the restriction that it was only for Earth > General Knowledge spells. That's hugely less loose than if it were any college. Don't ever do this for E&E. (Unless it is my E&E you do it for, of course :-).) E&E have GK spells which are high EM, useful, and useful to take to high ranks. That is why my E&E (Barth Wader) started with 20 MA, and was buying MA after every adventure. -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK |
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| From | raro002@ec.auckland.ac.nz |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:05:05 +1200 |
I saw this item months ago, when Jono put it up on the wiki. It's probably still there. The item and the attendant ability is fine. If you take a minute to think about it, you will see why. But, this raises another issue, which is more important. There is no way to control a DM within the compass of their game. They are required to arbitrate reality, and that means that they can be bound by no rule. The only control you have, as another DM, is not to allow a player access to a special ability or item if you don't like it. If this happens frequently enough, players will probably stop attending the 'offending' DM's games. Or, we could all gather together and worry about something which is entirely hypothetical, about which no useful resolution will be generated because, on the whole, there is only one instance of it ever having happened, and in that particular case it was clever and imaginative. O, wait. Let's get rid of all of the clever and imaginative ideas. When there's none left, the game will be that much more enjoyable to play. Jim. Quoting "Andrew Withy (DSL AK)" <AndrewW@datacom.co.nz>: > Thats potentially 200-300 thousand EP. > > This sort of behaviour shows that there is no need for rules, as people > have completely different ideas of acceptable behaviour. I'm sure the GM > has a good reason for this item, and I'm not going to ask who they are, > because I would have to kill them. > > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On > Behalf Of RPer 4eva > Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 1:50 p.m. > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK > > > Recently there was an item given out that for 13 months raised > the users MA to 35. I believe the purpose was specificaly to allow free > ranking of GK spells. It was on a high level game and would take them > out of play for over a year so it doesn't seem to bad to me. (For what > little my opinion is worth) Overall though I would say that any GM is > going to know about the xp benefits to MA and takes that into accout > when giving out modifications to MA. Do we really need a new rule to > govern this? > Dylan > > > On 6/29/06, Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz> wrote: > > Indeed, 'giving' extreme MA in the form of a > Purification MA bonus, or specifing it as acting as if it was gained > from Purification (but in addition to standard Purification) makes use > of existing rules quite nicely. > > I think this area is more a GM guideline thing than > something it is worth trying to make a rule for (not that I think Martin > is advocating a rule at this stage of the discussion). For instance, we > could add a rule that racial max is the max for MA EP discount, but a GM > changes a PC's race to one with extreme MA. > > Cheers > Errol > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto: > dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz <mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz> ]On Behalf Of > Andrew Withy (DSL AK) > Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:50 > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > > Subject: Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK > > > > > Someone "given" MA 40 was told that they had to use > their original ?26? MA for general discounts. But I understand he's > misplaced that 40 MA now. > > Otherwise, I haven't heard of anything past MA 27 (which > elves could get at one time). MA past 26/27 seems pretty rare, for good > reason. > > > I'd be uncomfortable with the idea of general knowledge > spells being free, but where to draw the line? If 27 MA is -60%, why not > 28 MA @ 65% ? (repeat until -100%). Martin, I'd just not start anything > I couldn't finish, if I was you... If you are giving out extreme MA, > just say it doesn't count as MA for general discounts, as per > purification, etc. > > > Just a reminder for those who are unsure - MA from > purification and other magical effects doesn't count for EP discounts > (excluding any items specifically stating otherwise, of course). > > Andrew > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto: > dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz <mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz> ] On Behalf Of > Martin Dickson > > Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2006 12:39 p.m. > > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK > > > > Hi Folks, > > Opinions and precedents sought. I'm sure there's some > PCs out there with MA into the 30's or GMs familiar with same; what has > / hasn't been set as the maximum EP discount on General Knowledge spell > and rituals for very high MA? > > Per 6.3 & 6.4, GK is discounted 5% * (MA - 15). This > gives a 50% discount at (normal) human max, and would make GK free at MA > 35. (One hesitates to think what might happen at MA 36 or above). :-) > > Cheers, > Martin > > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | [dq] Posse Required |
|---|---|
| From | Stephen Martin |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:20:19 +1200 (NZST) |
> O, wait. Let's get rid of all of the clever and imaginative ideas. When there's > none left, the game will be that much more enjoyable to play. Damn fine idea! I'll get my imaginary gun and horse then it's time to run them right out of town! ----------- Lynchin' squads and misquoting aside, let's not rehash discussions about the ring, it has been discussed and resolved already. Thanks Dylan for bringing it up in sufficiently edited detail to cast it in the worst possible light. Cheers, Stephen. -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Posse Required |
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| From | RPer 4eva |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:23:08 +1200 |
------=_Part_114929_8732461.1151554988853 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I On 6/29/06, Stephen Martin <stephenm@castle.pointclark.net> wrote: > > > O, wait. Let's get rid of all of the clever and imaginative ideas. When > there's > > none left, the game will be that much more enjoyable to play. > > Damn fine idea! > > I'll get my imaginary gun and horse then it's time to run them right out > of town! > > ----------- > > Lynchin' squads and misquoting aside, let's not rehash discussions about > the ring, it has been > discussed and resolved already. > Thanks Dylan for bringing it up in sufficiently edited detail to cast it > in the worst possible light. > > Cheers, Stephen. > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > ------=_Part_114929_8732461.1151554988853 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I<br><br> <div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/29/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Stephen Martin</b> <<a href="mailto:stephenm@castle.pointclark.net">stephenm@castle.pointclark.net</a>> wrote:</span> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">> O, wait. Let's get rid of all of the clever and imaginative ideas. When there's<br>> none left, the game will be that much more enjoyable to play. <br><br>Damn fine idea!<br><br>I'll get my imaginary gun and horse then it's time to run them right out of town!<br><br>-----------<br><br>Lynchin' squads and misquoting aside, let's not rehash discussions about the ring, it has been <br>discussed and resolved already.<br>Thanks Dylan for bringing it up in sufficiently edited detail to cast it in the worst possible light.<br><br>Cheers, Stephen.<br><br><br>-- to unsubscribe notify mailto:<a href="mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz"> dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz</a> --<br></blockquote></div><br> ------=_Part_114929_8732461.1151554988853-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Posse Required |
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| From | RPer 4eva |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:23:41 +1200 |
------=_Part_114933_30503092.1151555021389 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I actualy spoke in favour of it. Dylan P.S. Sorry for the last message of a single letter. On 6/29/06, RPer 4eva <msnoverflow@gmail.com> wrote: > > I > > > On 6/29/06, Stephen Martin <stephenm@castle.pointclark.net> wrote: > > > > > O, wait. Let's get rid of all of the clever and imaginative ideas. > > When there's > > > none left, the game will be that much more enjoyable to play. > > > > Damn fine idea! > > > > I'll get my imaginary gun and horse then it's time to run them right out > > of town! > > > > ----------- > > > > Lynchin' squads and misquoting aside, let's not rehash discussions about > > the ring, it has been > > discussed and resolved already. > > Thanks Dylan for bringing it up in sufficiently edited detail to cast it > > in the worst possible light. > > > > Cheers, Stephen. > > > > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto: dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > > > > ------=_Part_114933_30503092.1151555021389 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline <div>I actualy spoke in favour of it.</div> <div>Dylan</div> <div> </div> <div>P.S. Sorry for the last message of a single letter.<br><br> </div> <div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/29/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">RPer 4eva</b> <<a href="mailto:msnoverflow@gmail.com">msnoverflow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <div>I</div> <div><span class="e" id="q_10c1e06abc3bf88a_1"><br><br> <div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/29/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Stephen Martin</b> <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:stephenm@castle.pointclark.net" target="_blank">stephenm@castle.pointclark.net </a>> wrote:</span> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">> O, wait. Let's get rid of all of the clever and imaginative ideas. When there's<br>> none left, the game will be that much more enjoyable to play. <br><br>Damn fine idea!<br><br>I'll get my imaginary gun and horse then it's time to run them right out of town!<br><br>-----------<br><br>Lynchin' squads and misquoting aside, let's not rehash discussions about the ring, it has been <br>discussed and resolved already.<br>Thanks Dylan for bringing it up in sufficiently edited detail to cast it in the worst possible light.<br><br>Cheers, Stephen.<br><br><br>-- to unsubscribe notify mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz" target="_blank"> dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz</a> --<br></blockquote></div><br></span></div></blockquote></div><br> ------=_Part_114933_30503092.1151555021389-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Use of Unarmed by big / non-humanoid creatures |
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| From | raro002@ec.auckland.ac.nz |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:25:59 +1200 |
They're NPC races, these days. Just make up numbers that sound reasonable. The unarmed combat rules are the sort of thing you apply to pc races. You might, in your own game, have an ogre, giant or dragon that is a martial artist, in which case you might make it introduce such a thing, but that is non-standard, and doesn't need to be a part of the ruleset. I don't believe giants are dextrous creatures, so in general, I don't think an average one has a strike chance better than 70% to hit with a fist, and they do the same sort of damage as a man with a mace might, so about D + 5. I consider trampling to be kicking, or more accurately, dribbling pcs. I don't allow shield defence to apply to someone being hit by something as big as a giant. It's going to connect with you whether or not you were waving a shield around. You probably just make it angry. Jim Quoting Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com>: > Hi Folks, > > Second question; seeking opinions and precedent: > > 3.14: "The Base Chance for a humanoid to strike with their primary hand > is..." > > How do people handle unarmed SC and Damage for big creatures and for big > sentient non-humanoids (small non-humanoids are also not covered, but > realistically aren't much of an issue). > > Big humanoids appear covered by the standard rules, so if a PS 70 Titan uses > unarmed they get the usual 2 x AG + (PS - 15) + other bonuses, and the DM is > D-4 +18. > > What are the rules for sentient non-humanoids? Can that mature Gold Dragon > forego his D+7 claw and opt instead to strike with his fist for D-4 +101? > :-) > > Cheers, > Martin > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | [dq] Superstition Mountains |
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| From | Jonathan Bean - TME |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:26:30 +1200 |
Hi all, Can someone give me the population count for the Superstition Mountains please. Am understand that it is around 200,000 Dwarfs is this correct? Jono -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK |
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| From | Stephen Martin |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:34:22 +1200 (NZST) |
I play a 26 MA human mage that has been ranking generals at a 55% discount. Having just got to 27 MA I plan on ranking my generals at a 60% discount. Fortunately I play an Earth Mage so even another 40% off my generals will have minimal impact on the world. It is not possible to get above the mid-20's without GM assistance so I think that it is more a matter of GMs considering the consequences (including the college of the character) and specifying the intended effects when they give out extra MA. The same as for any other item/gift. And if someone does get over 35 MA then they're obviously a Demon and should get a 5.0 racial EM to compensate. :-) And then we hunt them down. Cheers, Stephen. Martin Dickson wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Opinions and precedents sought. I'm sure there's some PCs out there with MA > into the 30's or GMs familiar with same; what has / hasn't been set as the > maximum EP discount on General Knowledge spell and rituals for very high MA? > > Per 6.3 & 6.4, GK is discounted 5% * (MA - 15). This gives a 50% discount > at (normal) human max, and would make GK free at MA 35. (One hesitates to > think what might happen at MA 36 or above). :-) > > Cheers, > Martin > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK |
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| From | Martin Dickson |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:41:52 +1200 |
------=_Part_10494_11475096.1151556112301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 6/29/06, DSL AK) <AndrewW@datacom.co.nz> <Andrew\Withy\\> wrote: > > I'd be uncomfortable with the idea of general knowledge spells being > free... > Absolutely, and the reason I'm asking... ...but where to draw the line? If 27 MA is -60%, why not 28 MA @ 65% ? > Indeed. But drawing the line at 60% (or whatever is considered most suitable) is probably a good path to take -- there is no reason to beleive that the 5% per MA point in an inviolable absolute. Languages for example have a number of discounts and an over-riding rule that the "maximum total EP discount applicable is 50%"; having a similar maximum discount on GK seems both reasonable and sensible. If you are giving out extreme MA, just say it doesn't count as MA for > general discounts, as per purification, etc. > Sure -- which has the same effect (with regards to GK at least) as setting a maximum discount. Either way the rationale is to prevent free GK. Thank you for the responses (both on and off list) folks. Cheers, Martin > ------=_Part_10494_11475096.1151556112301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 6/29/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">DSL AK) <<a href="mailto:AndrewW@datacom.co.nz" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">AndrewW@datacom.co.nz</a>></b> <Andrew\Withy\\> wrote: <div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div> <div> <div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">I'd be uncomfortable with the idea of general knowledge spells being free...</font></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Absolutely, and the reason I'm asking...<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><div><div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">...but where to draw the line? If 27 MA is -60%, why not 28 MA @ 65% ?</font></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Indeed. But drawing the line at 60% (or whatever is considered most suitable) is probably a good path to take -- there is no reason to beleive that the 5% per MA point in an inviolable absolute. <br><br>Languages for example have a number of discounts and an over-riding rule that the "maximum total EP discount applicable is 50%"; having a similar maximum discount on GK seems both reasonable and sensible. <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div><div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"> If you are giving out extreme MA, just say it doesn't count as MA for general discounts, as per purification, etc.</font></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Sure -- which has the same effect (with regards to GK at least) as setting a maximum discount. Either way the rationale is to prevent free GK. <br><br>Thank you for the responses (both on and off list) folks.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Martin<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><div></div> </div></blockquote></div><br> ------=_Part_10494_11475096.1151556112301-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Use of Unarmed by big / non-humanoid creatures |
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| From | Martin Dickson |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:46:04 +1200 |
------=_Part_10526_16302327.1151556364300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 6/29/06, Michael Parkinson <m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz> wrote: > > > Big humanoids appear covered by the standard rules, so if a PS 70 Titan > uses unarmed they get the usual 2 x AG + (PS - 15) + other bonuses, and the > DM is D-4 +18. > > Titan could go unarmed ... but the 4x damage rule is MUCH more fun > Sure -- the damages start to get a bit weird, but they're not too bad, and as you say, generally the Titan will opt for the 4 x sword. What are the rules for sentient non-humanoids? Can that mature Gold Dragon > forego his D+7 claw and opt instead to strike with his fist for D-4 +101? > :-) > > Not if it stays in wyrmform. Technically, if it takes on humanoid form, > you could go that way. However the last time I attacked a party with > kung-fuing dragons in humanoid form --as one does on occasion-- I reduced > the overstrengthing to a mere 1 per 5 points not 1 per 3. > Excellent. Aside: my dragons in humanoid form tend to have rather less PS than when in dragon form, so while you'd still not want to get hit by one the 1 per 3 for unarmed doesn't completely break down. Regards, Martin ------=_Part_10526_16302327.1151556364300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 6/29/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Michael Parkinson</b> <<a href="mailto:m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz">m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div> <div></div><div><span class="q"> <div><br>Big humanoids appear covered by the standard rules, so if a PS 70 Titan uses unarmed they get the usual 2 x AG + (PS - 15) + other bonuses, and the DM is D-4 +18.<span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"> </font></span></div> <div><span></span> </div></span></div><div> <div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Titan could go unarmed ... but the 4x damage rule is MUCH more fun</font></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Sure -- the damages start to get a bit weird, but they're not too bad, and as you say, generally the Titan will opt for the 4 x sword.<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><div><div><span class="q">What are the rules for sentient non-humanoids? Can that mature Gold Dragon forego his D+7 claw and opt instead to strike with his fist for D-4 +101? :-) <br><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"> </font></span></span></div><div></div> <div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Not if it stays in wyrmform. Technically, if it takes on humanoid form, you could go that way. However the last time I attacked a party with kung-fuing dragons in humanoid form --as one does on occasion-- I reduced the overstrengthing to a mere 1 per 5 points not 1 per 3. </font></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Excellent. Aside: my dragons in humanoid form tend to have rather less PS than when in dragon form, so while you'd still not want to get hit by one the 1 per 3 for unarmed doesn't completely break down. <br><br>Regards,<br>Martin<br></div></div> ------=_Part_10526_16302327.1151556364300-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK |
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| From | Martin Dickson |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:05:03 +1200 |
------=_Part_10670_10829725.1151557503544 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 6/29/06, Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz> wrote: > > Indeed, 'giving' extreme MA in the form of a Purification MA bonus, or > specifing it as acting as if it was gained from Purification (but in > addition to standard Purification) makes use of existing rules quite nicely. > It works fine, that's true, but is more in the nature of a workaround; avoiding the problem of a formula with no upper boundary condition. ...(not that I think Martin is advocating a rule at this stage of the > discussion). For instance, we could add a rule that racial max is the max > for MA EP discount, but a GM changes a PC's race to one with extreme MA. > Or, like Languages we could define a max possible discount from high MA. But yes, to confirm, I'm not advocating a rule, I am simple seeking information. Regards, Martin ------=_Part_10670_10829725.1151557503544 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 6/29/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Errol Cavit</b> <<a href="mailto:ecavit@tollnz.co.nz">ecavit@tollnz.co.nz</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div> <div> <div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Indeed, 'giving' extreme MA in the form of a Purification MA bonus, or specifing it as acting as if it was gained from Purification (but in addition to standard Purification) makes use of existing rules quite nicely.</font></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>It works fine, that's true, but is more in the nature of a workaround; avoiding the problem of a formula with no upper boundary condition.<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><div><div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">...(not that I think Martin is advocating a rule at this stage of the discussion). For instance, we could add a rule that racial max is the max for MA EP discount, but a GM changes a PC's race to one with extreme MA.</font></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Or, like Languages we could define a max possible discount from high MA.<br><br>But yes, to confirm, I'm not advocating a rule, I am simple seeking information.<br> <br>Regards,<br>Martin<br></div></div><br> ------=_Part_10670_10829725.1151557503544-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK |
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| From | Errol Cavit |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:43:14 +1200 |
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On 6/29/06, Errol Cavit < ecavit@tollnz.co.nz <mailto:ecavit@tollnz.co.nz> >
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Indeed, 'giving' extreme MA in the form of a Purification MA bonus, or
specifing it as acting as if it was gained from Purification (but in
addition to standard Purification) makes use of existing rules quite nicely.
It works fine, that's true, but is more in the nature of a workaround;
avoiding the problem of a formula with no upper boundary condition.
...(not that I think Martin is advocating a rule at this stage of the
discussion). For instance, we could add a rule that racial max is the max
for MA EP discount, but a GM changes a PC's race to one with extreme MA.
Or, like Languages we could define a max possible discount from high MA.
Standard rules can generate discounts of over 50% in languages. I believe
you require GM intervention to get a MA GK discount to levels that raise
concern. If we add a rule limiting it to x% (or no more than the discount
for max racial MA), it mainly means that write-ups for higher MA must
explicitly allow for a higher discount, rather than the current situation of
increasing the discount unless explicitly excluding it.
So a rule addition will better handle the situation where the GM doesn't
consider the impact on the MA GK discount, and no-one notices that the
player has applied a higher discount than was intended.
Cheers
Errol
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Indeed, 'giving' extreme MA
in the form of a Purification MA bonus, or specifing it as acting as if it
was gained from Purification (but in addition to standard Purification)
makes use of existing rules quite
nicely.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>It works fine, that's true, but is more in the nature of a
workaround; avoiding the problem of a formula with no upper boundary
condition.<BR></DIV><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>...(not that I think Martin
is advocating a rule at this stage of the discussion). For instance, we
could add a rule that racial max is the max for MA EP discount, but a GM
changes a PC's race to one with extreme
MA.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>Or, like Languages we could define a max possible discount from high
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you require GM intervention to get a MA GK discount to levels that raise
concern. If we add a rule limiting it to x% (or no more than the discount for
max racial MA), it mainly means that write-ups for higher MA must explicitly
allow for a higher discount, rather than the current situation of increasing the
discount unless explicitly excluding it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=606391605-29062006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>So a
rule addition will better handle the situation where the GM doesn't consider the
impact on the MA GK discount, and no-one notices that the player has applied a
higher discount than was intended.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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| Subject | Re: [dq] Maximum MA discount on GK |
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| From | raro002@ec.auckland.ac.nz |
| Date | Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:25:04 +1200 |
Quoting Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com>: > But yes, to confirm, I'm not advocating a rule, I am simple seeking > information. To what end? Jim -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |