| Subject | Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala |
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| From | Jonathan Bean - TME |
| Date | Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:16:24 +1200 |
I am for ~ 50k to 60k as per Andrews views. This would leave lots of land (about 2/3rd) of Carzala un-settled and wild areas. This would mean the push for re-settling Brastor (this is the 3rd time its been attempted now) must be because of the mithral mines or something in Brastor. Otherwise they should simple settle in Carzala area, somewhere close to Seagate. > giving it 100,000, making Carzala 500,000-ish. This is also the > smallest size that would supoprt the rapid dev of Newhaven to 25,000. I do not agree with your speculation regarding Newhaven. You can in fact remove the rest of Carzala and it would have grown at the same rate. Jono > -----Original Message----- > From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On > Behalf Of Andrew Withy (DSL AK) > Sent: Thursday, 13 July 2006 8:46 a.m. > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala > > > Just a note - whatever we decide for Carzala's popn level / > village distribution, large chunks of "history" and experience by > PCs will need to be re-written. > > There seem to be 4 commonly experienced levels of popn for Carzala: > > ~ 12,000-15,000 > Based on the FoA map and information. There are no /few > inhabitants outside the marked vilalges, and they are the 600 - > 1400 indicated from the FoA. This is a frontiers setting. > > ~ 50,000-60,000 > This is roughly the position Jono's map supports. Its also a > common feeling of reasonably light development - more akin to > early England than France. > > ~ 150,000 - 200,000 > This is the rough size required to support Seagate with the > Seagate map as provided. It also allows the Duke to be an > international player for reasons other than the Guild. > > ~ 500,000 + > This is the size used for most of the Dark Circle events. Carzala > couldn't support the incoming armies, we couldn't defend against > the size of the undead hordes, etc without this size of popn. > Mosre recently, Brastor has 3,000 in its army @ 3% enlistment, > giving it 100,000, making Carzala 500,000-ish. This is also the > smallest size that would supoprt the rapid dev of Newhaven to 25,000. > > > I think we should pick one of these levels, probably based more > on flavour than demographics, and then mentally re-write history > to fit it. We then re-align the numbers of all the different bits > of Carzala to fit in with this view. This is actually not hard, > once we get general agreement. But if we don't align the numebrs > we will get silly results when the different bits interact. > > ----------------------- > I suggest the 50,000-60,000 size for Carzala - its post-frontier, > but not densely populated. There is still plenty of wilderness > between quiet little towns. Adventurers can have leases on large > farms, or village cottages, or town-houses. There is even room > for some social mobility as the place expands and continues to be > settled - e.g. Thornton (?) around Thorn's settlement, New Haven. > ----------------------- > > Regards > > Andrew > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 17/08/2005 > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > > !DSPAM:44b56089411291559119077! > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala |
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| From | Andrew Withy \(DSL AK\) |
| Date | Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:17:59 +1200 |
It seems I misunderstood the settlement process of Newhaven. I withdraw any comments about its unfeasibly large population and rapid growth. Amdrew -----Original Message----- I am for ~ 50k to 60k as per Andrews views. This would leave lots of land (about 2/3rd) of Carzala un-settled and wild areas. This would mean the push for re-settling Brastor (this is the 3rd time its been attempted now) must be because of the mithral mines or something in Brastor. Otherwise they should simple settle in Carzala area, somewhere close to Seagate. > giving it 100,000, making Carzala 500,000-ish. This is also the > smallest size that would supoprt the rapid dev of Newhaven to 25,000. I do not agree with your speculation regarding Newhaven. You can in fact remove the rest of Carzala and it would have grown at the same rate. Jono -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 17/08/2005 -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
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| Date | Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:21:24 +1200 |
<html> <BR> <BR> <B>On Mon Jul 17 9:16 , Jonathan Bean - TME <Jonathan@tme.co.nz> sent:<BR> <BR> </B> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #5167c6 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <P>I am for ~ 50k to 60k as per Andrews views.<BR> This would leave lots of land (about 2/3rd) of Carzala un-settled and wild<BR> areas. This would mean the push for re-settling Brastor (this is the 3rd time its<BR> been attempted now) must be because of the mithral mines or something in<BR> Brastor. Otherwise they should simple settle in Carzala area, somewhere close to<BR> Seagate.<BR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The 50k to 60k mark definitely seems to make the most logical sense to the most people. As a spineless populist, I "me too" on this subject.</P> <P>Immigration into Brastor without serious incentives wouldn't happen at all at this stage, considering that half the last lot were *famously* eaten by undead. However, to ensure a hefty bulwark against the remains of the Dark Circle I'd say that there must be plans afoot to re-establish it as a self-sufficient, and heavily armed, buffer state aginst the lands to the South-East.</P> <P>Just mithral mining isn't likely to immeditely re-establish the kind of long-term settlements that we may wish to have there, but it could well be part of the package that is being organised to get the land going again.</P> <P>On the plus side, unless Rashak's minion went bananas with the Scarring Terrains, the land was been mostly fallow for a few years and had a substantial injection of blood and bone...</P> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #5167c6 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <P><FONT color=#004182>> giving it 100,000, making Carzala 500,000-ish. This is also the</FONT><BR> <FONT color=#004182>> smallest size that would supoprt the rapid dev of Newhaven to 25,000.</FONT><BR> <BR> I do not agree with your speculation regarding Newhaven. You can in fact<BR> remove the rest of Carzala and it would have grown at the same rate.<BR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Excepting the founders and their incomes, naturally. :)</P> <P>There will have been extenuatuing and special circumstances that it would be difficult to take into account without the overseeing GMs full histories, so I suspect that speculation is based on a natural population drift around to the sunny northwestern coast.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>ben</P> </html><BR> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala |
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| From | Andrew Withy \(DSL AK\) |
| Date | Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:17:51 +1200 |
Ben kindly pointed out that my last email didn't quite come out right. It was not supposed to be pointed and vicious - it was supposed to just say "ignore my previous remarks about Newhaven's size". It didn't quite, but if you shift a couple of words around, it comes out a whole lot more polite - please do that before taking anything to heart. I do this kind of thing in work emails too - I'm kinda sub-literate in email tone. But observant readers will have noticed that before. Kindly, Andrew -----Original Message----- From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Andrew Withy (DSL AK) Sent: Monday, 17 July 2006 10:18 a.m. To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala It seems I misunderstood the settlement process of Newhaven. I withdraw any comments about its unfeasibly large population and rapid growth. Amdrew -----Original Message----- I am for ~ 50k to 60k as per Andrews views. This would leave lots of land (about 2/3rd) of Carzala un-settled and wild areas. This would mean the push for re-settling Brastor (this is the 3rd time its been attempted now) must be because of the mithral mines or something in Brastor. Otherwise they should simple settle in Carzala area, somewhere close to Seagate. > giving it 100,000, making Carzala 500,000-ish. This is also the > smallest size that would supoprt the rapid dev of Newhaven to 25,000. I do not agree with your speculation regarding Newhaven. You can in fact remove the rest of Carzala and it would have grown at the same rate. Jono -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 17/08/2005 -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 17/08/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 17/08/2005 -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala Vote pop 50-60k |
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| From | Jonathan Bean - TME |
| Date | Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:49:17 +1200 |
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In the last SGT:
Duke Leto has announced the new Brastor Army numbering between 3,000 to
6,000+? men?
Duke Leto has made a Count of Brastor.
I expect that since he has done this already - then he intends to re-take
Brastor, by force this time. Given the huge expensive of an army of this
HUGE size , I would expect that the Duke wants the army to be put to use
right away and restore Brastor with the aims of increasing tax?
My point is that Brastor is a clear priority given all of these movements by
the Duke and Carzala to make an army and Count.
So given that the Duke has done this, I am guessing that there is a good
reason, and that the Duke would not want to do this without a good reason.
Before we could say that he needed the area to grow into (raw land), but now
we have decided that the area around Carzala proper is not very densely
populated, we need another clear reason.
What is the clear reason for doing it now? It could be as simple as he gave
his word to people, and he will keep it.
Jono
-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
Cosmo
Sent: Monday, 17 July 2006 10:21 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq] Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala Vote pop 50-60k
On Mon Jul 17 9:16 , Jonathan Bean - TME <Jonathan@tme.co.nz> sent:
I am for ~ 50k to 60k as per Andrews views.
This would leave lots of land (about 2/3rd) of Carzala un-settled and
wild
areas. This would mean the push for re-settling Brastor (this is the
3rd time its
been attempted now) must be because of the mithral mines or something in
Brastor. Otherwise they should simple settle in Carzala area, somewhere
close to
Seagate.
The 50k to 60k mark definitely seems to make the most logical sense to the
most people. As a spineless populist, I "me too" on this subject.
Immigration into Brastor without serious incentives wouldn't happen at all
at this stage, considering that half the last lot were *famously* eaten by
undead. However, to ensure a hefty bulwark against the remains of the Dark
Circle I'd say that there must be plans afoot to re-establish it as a
self-sufficient, and heavily armed, buffer state aginst the lands to the
South-East.
Just mithral mining isn't likely to immeditely re-establish the kind of
long-term settlements that we may wish to have there, but it could well be
part of the package that is being organised to get the land going again.
On the plus side, unless Rashak's minion went bananas with the Scarring
Terrains, the land was been mostly fallow for a few years and had a
substantial injection of blood and bone...
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| Subject | Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala Vote pop 50-60k |
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| From | Andrew Withy \(DSL AK\) |
| Date | Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:56:46 +1200 |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A933.7F4C7D0A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think this army size was proposed using different population assumptions - the whole population thing has been confused until recently. We should review if this army size is still appropriate - it could easily have been some clerk confusing the feed bill with the troop sizes. Alternatively, it could be the correct size - Duke Leto is a cunning bugger, and maybe he feels that he needs to have a large armed force on maneouvers to the south of Carzala - them Novadom saurime may be raiding cattle again, and need to be reminded of who's boss. The guys who put the army rolls together can get back to the rest of us in the next little while and let us know what their intent is - at least one of them is still out of the country. =20 Andrew ________________________________ From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jonathan Bean - TME Sent: Monday, 17 July 2006 11:49 a.m. To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala Vote pop 50-60k=20 =20 In the last SGT: Duke Leto has announced the new Brastor Army numbering between 3,000 to 6,000+? men?=20 Duke Leto has made a Count of Brastor. =20 I expect that since he has done this already - then he intends to re-take Brastor, by force this time. Given the huge expensive of an army of this HUGE size , I would expect that the Duke wants the army to be put to use right away and restore Brastor with the aims of increasing tax? =20 My point is that Brastor is a clear priority given all of these movements by the Duke and Carzala to make an army and Count. =20 So given that the Duke has done this, I am guessing that there is a good reason, and that the Duke would not want to do this without a good reason. =20 Before we could say that he needed the area to grow into (raw land), but now we have decided that the area around Carzala proper is not very densely populated, we need another clear reason. =20 What is the clear reason for doing it now? It could be as simple as he gave his word to people, and he will keep it. =20 Jono ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A933.7F4C7D0A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns:o =3D "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.3790.2706" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D198225223-16072006><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I think this army size was proposed using = different=20 population assumptions - the whole population thing has been confused = until=20 recently. We should review if this army size is still appropriate - it = could=20 easily have been some clerk confusing the feed bill with the troop = sizes.=20 Alternatively, it could be the correct size - Duke Leto is a cunning = bugger, and=20 maybe he feels that he needs to have a large armed force on maneouvers = to the=20 south of Carzala - them Novadom saurime may be raiding cattle again, and = need to=20 be reminded of who's boss. The guys who put the army rolls together can = get back=20 to the rest of us in the next little while and let us know what their = intent is=20 - at least one of them is still out of the country.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D198225223-16072006><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D198225223-16072006><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Andrew</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft> <HR tabIndex=3D-1> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz=20 [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jonathan Bean -=20 TME<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 17 July 2006 11:49 a.m.<BR><B>To:</B>=20 dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala Vote pop 50-60k=20 <BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D346414522-16072006><SPAN = class=3D346414522-16072006></SPAN><SPAN=20 class=3D346414522-16072006> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-ansi-language: EN-AU">In=20 the last SGT:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Duke Leto has = announced=20 the new Brastor Army numbering between 3,000 to 6,000+? men?=20 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Duke Leto has = made a=20 Count of Brastor.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I expect that = since he=20 has done this already<SPAN class=3D346414522-16072006> = -</SPAN> then he=20 intends to re-take Brastor, by force this time. Given the huge expensive = of an=20 army<SPAN class=3D346414522-16072006> of this HUGE size </SPAN>, I would = expect=20 that the Duke wants the army to be put to use right away and restore=20 Brastor with the aims of increasing tax<SPAN=20 class=3D346414522-16072006>?</SPAN></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My point is=20 that Brastor is a clear priority given all of these movements = by the=20 Duke and Carzala to make an army and Count.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So given that = the Duke=20 has done this, I am guessing that there is a good reason, and that the = Duke=20 would not want to do this without a good reason.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Before we = could say=20 that he needed the area to grow into (raw land), but now we have decided = that=20 the area around Carzala proper is not very densely populated, we need = another=20 clear reason.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <DIV><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">What=20 is the clear reason for doing it now? It could be as simple as he gave = his word=20 to people, and he will keep it.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT=20 face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: = AR-SA"></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20 class=3D346414522-16072006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>Jono</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A933.7F4C7D0A-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala Vote pop 50-60k |
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| From | Michael Parkinson |
| Date | Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:23:58 +1200 |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A93F.AD714B15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 3-6K seems a rough figure Is that perhaps 3,000 people who really can fight, plus the "volunteer" work-crews ... unskilled immigrants & shady characters that Duke Leto doesn't want left at home when most of the competent guards & ex-guards are away on military service =20 Duke Leto has many reasons to mobilise the forces ... not only the fact that the military force required to defend the city & maintain internal order while the forces of Dark were assailing Seagate is now at a loose end. Demobilised warriors can be a threat to a well-run peacetime economy; and who is to say that there won't be another crisis soon ... =20 1. The new W.K. looks fine, but what happens if the Regent dies too soon (or too late), or if there is a succession problem with one of its major vassals. 2. Brastor belongs to whoever holds it. If Leto doesn't exercise his "natural claim" now, what's to stop some other armed band stepping in & establishing a base, or --worse still-- appealing to the King or Archbishop (or even the Elves) to be their supporter or overlord.=20 3. What's the Archbishop up to? I'm sure that, despite the thousands of Church forces slaughtered, they still have plenty of battle-tested troops; and opportunists are still joining the Church Knights even with the obvious threat gone -- and who knows what the Archbishop considers to be hidden or immanent threat. Moreover, a lot of people have been leaving property to the Church & the cults. 4. The serene republic of Destiny is still quite weak, but what if there is a second revolution? or if Pirates return to our coasts? or the rumoured TerraNovan invasion? More inland farmland & mines would decrease the critical danger posed by Naval forces. 5. That idiot Guild is a money maker, but should it blow up of its own accord or poison everything within 5 miles [not improbable events], more land would better enable Leto to survive the danger. 6. Not to mention the threat from all those untrustworthy races already too close to home -- Suarime, Dwarves, elves, plains barbarians, church knights, parrots, ... =20 Michael Parkinson (Ph 3737 599 ext 85858) Mathematics & Statistics Subject Librarian =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 ________________________________ From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Andrew Withy (DSL AK) Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:57 AM To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala Vote pop 50-60k=20 I think this army size was proposed using different population assumptions - the whole population thing has been confused until recently. We should review if this army size is still appropriate - it could easily have been some clerk confusing the feed bill with the troop sizes. Alternatively, it could be the correct size - Duke Leto is a cunning bugger, and maybe he feels that he needs to have a large armed force on maneouvers to the south of Carzala - them Novadom saurime may be raiding cattle again, and need to be reminded of who's boss. The guys who put the army rolls together can get back to the rest of us in the next little while and let us know what their intent is - at least one of them is still out of the country. =20 Andrew ________________________________ From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jonathan Bean - TME Sent: Monday, 17 July 2006 11:49 a.m. To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala Vote pop 50-60k=20 =20 In the last SGT: Duke Leto has announced the new Brastor Army numbering between 3,000 to 6,000+? men?=20 Duke Leto has made a Count of Brastor. =20 I expect that since he has done this already - then he intends to re-take Brastor, by force this time. Given the huge expensive of an army of this HUGE size , I would expect that the Duke wants the army to be put to use right away and restore Brastor with the aims of increasing tax? =20 My point is that Brastor is a clear priority given all of these movements by the Duke and Carzala to make an army and Count. =20 So given that the Duke has done this, I am guessing that there is a good reason, and that the Duke would not want to do this without a good reason. =20 Before we could say that he needed the area to grow into (raw land), but now we have decided that the area around Carzala proper is not very densely populated, we need another clear reason. =20 What is the clear reason for doing it now? It could be as simple as he gave his word to people, and he will keep it. =20 Jono ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A93F.AD714B15 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns:o =3D "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2912" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D215184200-17072006><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>3-6K seems a rough figure Is that perhaps = 3,000=20 people who really can fight, plus the "volunteer" work-crews ... = unskilled=20 immigrants & shady characters that Duke Leto doesn't want left at = home when=20 most of the competent guards & ex-guards are away on = military=20 service</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D215184200-17072006><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D215184200-17072006><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Duke Leto has <STRONG>many</STRONG> reasons to = mobilise the=20 forces ... not only the fact that the military force required to defend = the city=20 & maintain internal order while the forces of Dark were assailing = Seagate is=20 now at a loose end. Demobilised warriors can be a threat to a = well-run peacetime economy; and who is to say that there won't be = another crisis=20 soon ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN = class=3D215184200-17072006></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><FONT = color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20 class=3D215184200-17072006>1. </SPAN><SPAN = class=3D215184200-17072006><FONT>The new=20 W.K. looks fine, but what happens if the Regent dies too soon (or too = late), or=20 if there is a succession problem with one of its major=20 vassals.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><FONT = color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20 class=3D215184200-17072006>2. Brastor belongs to whoever = holds=20 it. If Leto doesn't exercise his "natural claim" now, what's to = stop=20 some other armed band stepping in & establishing a base, = or=20 --worse still-- appealing to the King or Archbishop (or even = the=20 Elves) to be their supporter or=20 overlord. </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><FONT = color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20 class=3D215184200-17072006>3. What's the Archbishop up to? = I'm sure=20 that, despite the thousands of Church forces slaughtered, = they still have=20 plenty of battle-tested troops; and opportunists are still joining the = Church=20 Knights even with the obvious threat gone -- and who knows what the = Archbishop=20 considers to be hidden or immanent threat. Moreover, = a lot of=20 people have been leaving property to the Church & the=20 cults.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><FONT = color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20 class=3D215184200-17072006>4. The serene republic of Destiny is still = quite weak,=20 but what if there is a second revolution? or if Pirates return to our = coasts? or=20 the rumoured TerraNovan invasion? More inland farmland & mines = would=20 decrease the critical danger posed by Naval=20 forces.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><FONT = color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20 class=3D215184200-17072006></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT = face=3DArial><FONT=20 size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff><SPAN = class=3D215184200-17072006>5. That idiot=20 Guild is a money maker, but should it blow up of its own accord or = poison=20 everything within 5 miles [not improbable events], more land would = better enable=20 Leto to survive the danger.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><FONT = color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20 class=3D215184200-17072006>6. Not to mention the threat from all those=20 untrustworthy races already too close to home -- Suarime, Dwarves, = elves,=20 plains barbarians, church knights, parrots,=20 ...</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D215184200-17072006><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN = class=3D215184200-17072006></SPAN><FONT=20 size=3D2>Michael Parkinson (Ph 3737 599 ext 85858)<BR>Mathematics & = Statistics=20 Subject = Librarian<BR>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D </FONT></DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft> <HR tabIndex=3D-1> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz=20 [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Andrew Withy (DSL=20 AK)<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 17, 2006 11:57 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20 dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala Vote pop 50-60k=20 <BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D198225223-16072006><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I think this army size was proposed using = different=20 population assumptions - the whole population thing has been confused = until=20 recently. We should review if this army size is still appropriate - it = could=20 easily have been some clerk confusing the feed bill with the troop = sizes.=20 Alternatively, it could be the correct size - Duke Leto is a cunning = bugger, and=20 maybe he feels that he needs to have a large armed force on maneouvers = to the=20 south of Carzala - them Novadom saurime may be raiding cattle again, and = need to=20 be reminded of who's boss. The guys who put the army rolls together can = get back=20 to the rest of us in the next little while and let us know what their = intent is=20 - at least one of them is still out of the country.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D198225223-16072006><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D198225223-16072006><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Andrew</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft> <HR tabIndex=3D-1> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz=20 [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jonathan Bean -=20 TME<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 17 July 2006 11:49 a.m.<BR><B>To:</B>=20 dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala Vote pop 50-60k=20 <BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D346414522-16072006><SPAN = class=3D346414522-16072006></SPAN><SPAN=20 class=3D346414522-16072006> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-ansi-language: EN-AU">In=20 the last SGT:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Duke Leto has = announced=20 the new Brastor Army numbering between 3,000 to 6,000+? men?=20 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Duke Leto has = made a=20 Count of Brastor.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I expect that = since he=20 has done this already<SPAN class=3D346414522-16072006> = -</SPAN> then he=20 intends to re-take Brastor, by force this time. Given the huge expensive = of an=20 army<SPAN class=3D346414522-16072006> of this HUGE size </SPAN>, I would = expect=20 that the Duke wants the army to be put to use right away and restore=20 Brastor with the aims of increasing tax<SPAN=20 class=3D346414522-16072006>?</SPAN></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My point is=20 that Brastor is a clear priority given all of these movements = by the=20 Duke and Carzala to make an army and Count.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So given that = the Duke=20 has done this, I am guessing that there is a good reason, and that the = Duke=20 would not want to do this without a good reason.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Before we = could say=20 that he needed the area to grow into (raw land), but now we have decided = that=20 the area around Carzala proper is not very densely populated, we need = another=20 clear reason.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <DIV><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">What=20 is the clear reason for doing it now? It could be as simple as he gave = his word=20 to people, and he will keep it.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT=20 face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: = AR-SA"></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20 class=3D346414522-16072006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>Jono</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A93F.AD714B15-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala Vote pop 50-60k |
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| From | Helen Saggers |
| Date | Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:14:26 +1200 |
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As I recall the reason given that Brastor was settled to start with was =
as part of Cazarlas continuing effort to stop the plainsmen from raiding =
Cazarla proper and the Rich Trading Port of Seagate.
Just as Regars Keep was created to guard Cazarla so would Brastor castle =
have been with the original purpose of the Holding having been to help =
support the Castle Garrison and the Boarderers .=20
Brastor was the first line of defense, against the dark circle, or the =
plains men.
It was also a good point from which to access inland trade.=20
Even though it was settled 30+ yrs ago (when the population was =
smaller), all the same reasons still exist, and probably a few more.=20
Why so much rush? because if the Dukes not quick, some enterprising =
young buck with a small army might just claim it, the first 30 years of =
settlement has proven it to be reasonably profitable concern after all.
Helen
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jonathan Bean - TME=20
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz=20
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala Vote pop 50-60k=20
=20
In the last SGT:
Duke Leto has announced the new Brastor Army numbering between 3,000 =
to 6,000+? men?=20
Duke Leto has made a Count of Brastor.
=20
I expect that since he has done this already - then he intends to =
re-take Brastor, by force this time. Given the huge expensive of an army =
of this HUGE size , I would expect that the Duke wants the army to be =
put to use right away and restore Brastor with the aims of increasing =
tax?
=20
My point is that Brastor is a clear priority given all of these =
movements by the Duke and Carzala to make an army and Count.
=20
So given that the Duke has done this, I am guessing that there is a =
good reason, and that the Duke would not want to do this without a good =
reason.
=20
Before we could say that he needed the area to grow into (raw land), =
but now we have decided that the area around Carzala proper is not very =
densely populated, we need another clear reason.
=20
What is the clear reason for doing it now? It could be as simple as he =
gave his word to people, and he will keep it.
Jono
-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf =
Of Cosmo
Sent: Monday, 17 July 2006 10:21 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq] Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala Vote pop 50-60k=20
On Mon Jul 17 9:16 , Jonathan Bean - TME <Jonathan@tme.co.nz> sent:
I am for ~ 50k to 60k as per Andrews views.
This would leave lots of land (about 2/3rd) of Carzala un-settled =
and wild
areas. This would mean the push for re-settling Brastor (this is =
the 3rd time its
been attempted now) must be because of the mithral mines or =
something in
Brastor. Otherwise they should simple settle in Carzala area, =
somewhere close to
Seagate.
The 50k to 60k mark definitely seems to make the most logical sense =
to the most people. As a spineless populist, I "me too" on this =
subject.
Immigration into Brastor without serious incentives wouldn't happen =
at all at this stage, considering that half the last lot were *famously* =
eaten by undead. However, to ensure a hefty bulwark against the remains =
of the Dark Circle I'd say that there must be plans afoot to =
re-establish it as a self-sufficient, and heavily armed, buffer state =
aginst the lands to the South-East.
Just mithral mining isn't likely to immeditely re-establish the kind =
of long-term settlements that we may wish to have there, but it could =
well be part of the package that is being organised to get the land =
going again.
On the plus side, unless Rashak's minion went bananas with the =
Scarring Terrains, the land was been mostly fallow for a few years and =
had a substantial injection of blood and bone...
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As I recall the reason given that =
Brastor was=20
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Cazarlas=20
continuing effort to stop the plainsmen from raiding Cazarla proper and =
the Rich=20
Trading Port of Seagate.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just as Regars Keep was created to =
guard Cazarla so=20
would Brastor castle have been with the original purpose of the Holding =
having=20
been to help support the Castle Garrison and the Boarderers . =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Brastor was the first line of defense, =
against the=20
dark circle, or the plains men.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It was also a good point from =
which to=20
access inland trade. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Even though it was settled 30+ yrs ago =
(when the=20
population was smaller), all the same reasons still exist, and probably =
a few=20
more. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Why so much rush? because if the Dukes =
not quick,=20
some enterprising young buck with a small army might just claim it, the =
first 30=20
years of settlement has proven it to be reasonably profitable concern =
after=20
all</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Helen</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DJonathan@tme.co.nz =
href=3D"mailto:Jonathan@tme.co.nz">Jonathan Bean -=20
TME</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Ddq@dq.sf.org.nz=20
href=3D"mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 17, 2006 =
11:49=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala =
Vote pop=20
50-60k </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D346414522-16072006><SPAN=20
class=3D346414522-16072006></SPAN><SPAN class=3D346414522-16072006>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; =
mso-ansi-language: EN-AU">In=20
the last SGT:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Duke Leto =
has=20
announced the new Brastor Army numbering between 3,000 to 6,000+? men? =
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Duke Leto =
has made a=20
Count of Brastor.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I expect =
that since=20
he has done this already<SPAN class=3D346414522-16072006> =
-</SPAN> then he=20
intends to re-take Brastor, by force this time. Given the huge =
expensive of an=20
army<SPAN class=3D346414522-16072006> of this HUGE size </SPAN>, I =
would expect=20
that the Duke wants the army to be put to use right away and restore=20
Brastor with the aims of increasing tax<SPAN=20
class=3D346414522-16072006>?</SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My point is =
that Brastor is a clear priority given all of these =
movements by the=20
Duke and Carzala to make an army and Count.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So given =
that the=20
Duke has done this, I am guessing that there is a good reason, and =
that the=20
Duke would not want to do this without a good =
reason.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Before we =
could say=20
that he needed the area to grow into (raw land), but now we have =
decided that=20
the area around Carzala proper is not very densely populated, we need =
another=20
clear reason.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; =
mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">What=20
is the clear reason for doing it now? It could be as simple as he gave =
his=20
word to people, and he will keep it.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; =
mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; =
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mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: =
AR-SA"></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D346414522-16072006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Jono</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz=20
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Cosmo<BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Monday, 17 July 2006 10:21 a.m.<BR><B>To:</B>=20
dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> [dq] Re: [dq] DQ: Carzala Vote =
pop 50-60k=20
<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR><BR><B>On Mon Jul 17 9:16 , Jonathan Bean - =
TME=20
<Jonathan@tme.co.nz> sent:<BR><BR></B>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #5167c6 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<P>I am for ~ 50k to 60k as per Andrews views.<BR>This would leave =
lots of=20
land (about 2/3rd) of Carzala un-settled and wild<BR>areas. =
This=20
would mean the push for re-settling Brastor (this is the 3rd time=20
its<BR>been attempted now) must be because of the mithral mines or =
something in<BR>Brastor. Otherwise they should simple settle =
in=20
Carzala area, somewhere close to<BR>Seagate.<BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>The 50k to 60k mark definitely seems to make the most logical =
sense to=20
the most people. As a spineless populist, I "me too" on this=20
subject.</P>
<P>Immigration into Brastor without serious incentives wouldn't =
happen at=20
all at this stage, considering that half the last lot were =
*famously* eaten=20
by undead. However, to ensure a hefty bulwark against the =
remains of=20
the Dark Circle I'd say that there must be plans afoot to =
re-establish it as=20
a self-sufficient, and heavily armed, buffer state aginst the =
lands to=20
the South-East.</P>
<P>Just mithral mining isn't likely to immeditely re-establish the =
kind of=20
long-term settlements that we may wish to have there, but =
it could=20
well be part of the package that is being organised to get the =
land=20
going again.</P>
<P>On the plus side, unless Rashak's minion went bananas with the =
Scarring=20
Terrains, the land was been mostly fallow for a few years and had a=20
substantial injection of blood and=20
bone...</P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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| From | Michael Scott |
| Date | Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:28:53 +1200 |
>In the last SGT: > >Duke Leto has announced the new Brastor Army numbering between 3,000 to >6,000+? men? > >Duke Leto has made a Count of Brastor. > > > >I expect that since he has done this already - then he intends to >re-take Brastor, by force this time. Given the huge expensive of an army >of this HUGE size , I would expect that the Duke wants the army to be >put to use right away and restore Brastor with the aims of increasing >tax? > > > >My point is that Brastor is a clear priority given all of these >movements by the Duke and Carzala to make an army and Count. > > > >So given that the Duke has done this, I am guessing that there is a good >reason, and that the Duke would not want to do this without a good >reason. > > > >Before we could say that he needed the area to grow into (raw land), but >now we have decided that the area around Carzala proper is not very >densely populated, we need another clear reason. > > > >What is the clear reason for doing it now? It could be as simple as he >gave his word to people, and he will keep it. > >Jono Maybe he wants a buffer zone between him and the dark circle forces, or maybe he has some stray relletives to apease. TTFN Michael _________________________________________________________________ Shop ‘til you drop at XtraMSN Shopping http://shopping.xtramsn.co.nz/home/ -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |