Thanks Jim 

It was a good idea to get people to say what might make a difference and
moving things forward.

The things that seem likely to make a difference to me are having only half
participants pre-booking, or as Andrew says ask for expressions of interest
only on the wiki and take actual party members at the guild meeting.

I guess it is up to GM's individually at this stage.

I am planning to run a game next session and will do the "expressions of
interest on the wiki with actual sign-ups at the guild meeting" thing.  I
want a balanced party though so probably will not just take the first 6
people who bowl up. Haven't exactly decided how to manage this choosing
dynamic though.

We do seem to be having more games go out than in the past on the wiki there
are between 9 - 12 adventues out each time it did seem like only 6 or so in
the past (maybe some did not have scribe notes). anyway 12 adventures is
quite a lot of GM's and players.

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Hamish


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Quoting carojono <carojono@xtra.co.nz>:
>
> I think new GMs could run games in Carzala instead. This allows characters
> to ride horses (it will be one of the few times) close to the guild, but not
> to close as the party is low or medium level and can easily be a few days
> from the guild (unless you have a Celestial with Wings, or an Air mage with
> flying or a cloud).
>
> A lot of low level adventures could be based in Carzala if you as GM wish.
> Their are a number of events you could use from the SGT, as well as in game
> events that you as a player have seen. Talk to the GM of the adventure you
> saw the event and ask them to help you flesh ABC out.


Do you, Jono?

How interesting. It's an opinion.

I wonder what's on the news.

Jim.


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I looked at those items, before and after they were changed.

I could see bugger all wrong with them, before the changes.

What I saw a lot of was a species of whining and ranting that I thought was
ill-advised and lacked any generosity of spirit to original ideas.

I wouldn't advise putting the stuff on the wiki again, because in my experience,
much tougher stuff has been given out and it was pretty much accepted. By
putting the items on the wiki, it was seen as somehow legitimate to flame it.

There will always be some dick who takes it upon himself to balance issues that
don't warrant it. I expect we all just have to accept the fact that we live in
a dick rich environment.

Jim.

Quoting Michael Scott <big_mac_kd@hotmail.com>:

> For the Lunar Games Jono and the others posted a list of items they intended
> to give out on the wiki.
>
> This pridictably led to all sorts of 'discussion' but what came out of it
> was that after their hackles had settled and the attacks stopped they took
> the advice/concerns onboard and many of the items were rewriten.
>
> Also the gms involed got the chance to defend/explain there reasons for
> giving out the items they did.
>
> I would like to commend Jono and the others who did this (exposing yourself
> is never easy) and challenge more GMs to do the same.
>
> Please do not let a couple of idiots overreactions/rants/personal attacks
> stop you from sharing your ideas and efforts to add more flavour to the
> world we adventure in.
>
>
>
> Items are contraversal but perhaps with a resource like the wiki GMs can
> gauge potenial abuses/concequences that they just haven't seen or thought
> of.
>
> I know I have seen combats even games stagger to a halt as the Gm tries to
> work out what the item dose when used in a way its creator had never
> foreseen.
>
> Would it be helpful if characters were to have a list of all there item
> write ups on the wiki so Gms could taylor items for them and avoid
> surprises?
>
> As to GMs not wanting certain items in there games fine. Make the players
> aware of this. Give them the choice to leave it behind. Use it as part of
> the plot if they still want to play.
>
> Any player who refuses to play without their toys is just a munchkin anyway
> and proberly can't ROLEPLAY their way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> TTFN
> Michael
>
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Yes it is an opinion.

But most starting DQ GMs don't consider it as an option at all.
I am pleased that you found it interesting Jim.

Jono



Quoting carojono <carojono@xtra.co.nz>:
>
> I think new GMs could run games in Carzala instead. This allows characters
> to ride horses (it will be one of the few times) close to the guild, but
not
> to close as the party is low or medium level and can easily be a few days
> from the guild (unless you have a Celestial with Wings, or an Air mage
with
> flying or a cloud).
>
> A lot of low level adventures could be based in Carzala if you as GM wish.
> Their are a number of events you could use from the SGT, as well as in
game
> events that you as a player have seen. Talk to the GM of the adventure you
> saw the event and ask them to help you flesh ABC out.


Do you, Jono?

How interesting. It's an opinion.

I wonder what's on the news.

Jim.


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Jim, I find this highly offensive to people named Richard.
In the future please phrase this as living in an environment of very well endowed manhood!!


raro002@ec.auckland.ac.nz wrote:
> don't warrant it. I expect we all just have to accept the fact that we live in
> a dick rich environment.
>
> Jim.


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There are 90 little villages on Jono's new Map in an area the size of
greater Auckland

I am planning a med level adventure around of one of the outlying ones.

Very few of these are detailed on the wiki (that I could see anyway) so, so
long as the GM has a feel for culture in Cazala they should be fine (seems
to me anyway).

Cheers H 

Hamish Brown
Director

Zenergy
Whole People Co-operating in a Sustainable world
119 Mt Eden Rd,
Auckland
www.zenergyglobal.com 

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Subject: Re: [dq] Guild Meetings

Yes it is an opinion.

But most starting DQ GMs don't consider it as an option at all.
I am pleased that you found it interesting Jim.

Jono



Quoting carojono <carojono@xtra.co.nz>:
>
> I think new GMs could run games in Carzala instead. This allows characters
> to ride horses (it will be one of the few times) close to the guild, but
not
> to close as the party is low or medium level and can easily be a few days
> from the guild (unless you have a Celestial with Wings, or an Air mage
with
> flying or a cloud).
>
> A lot of low level adventures could be based in Carzala if you as GM wish.
> Their are a number of events you could use from the SGT, as well as in
game
> events that you as a player have seen. Talk to the GM of the adventure you
> saw the event and ask them to help you flesh ABC out.


Do you, Jono?

How interesting. It's an opinion.

I wonder what's on the news.

Jim.


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out (eg NPC names)
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Regards,
Rosemary
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There are 90 little villages on Jono's new Map in an area the size of
greater Auckland

I am planning a med level adventure around of one of the outlying ones.

Very few of these are detailed on the wiki (that I could see anyway) so,=20
so
long as the GM has a feel for culture in Cazala they should be fine (seems
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Cheers H=20

Hamish Brown
Director

Zenergy
Whole People Co-operating in a Sustainable world
119 Mt Eden Rd,
Auckland
www.zenergyglobal.com=20

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Subject: Re: [dq] Guild Meetings

Yes it is an opinion.

But most starting DQ GMs don't consider it as an option at all.
I am pleased that you found it interesting Jim.

Jono



Quoting carojono <carojono@xtra.co.nz>:
>
> I think new GMs could run games in Carzala instead. This allows=20
characters
> to ride horses (it will be one of the few times) close to the guild, but
not
> to close as the party is low or medium level and can easily be a few=20
days
> from the guild (unless you have a Celestial with Wings, or an Air mage
with
> flying or a cloud).
>
> A lot of low level adventures could be based in Carzala if you as GM=20
wish.
> Their are a number of events you could use from the SGT, as well as in
game
> events that you as a player have seen. Talk to the GM of the adventure=20
you
> saw the event and ask them to help you flesh ABC out.


Do you, Jono?

How interesting. It's an opinion.

I wonder what's on the news.

Jim.


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Cool thanks Rosemary - will do

 

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Err - please be aware that Jono is adjusting the number of villages
downwards after much discussion on the population density of Cazala.

I suggest picking a village and
1) if it's not on the wiki add it, then put in a few facts you would like
you players to know, then after the adventure fill in the extra they found
out (eg NPC names)
2) if it's already there then use the available info and make up the rest
(and update the wiki after the adventure)

Regards,
Rosemary






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There are 90 little villages on Jono's new Map in an area the size of
greater Auckland

I am planning a med level adventure around of one of the outlying ones.

Very few of these are detailed on the wiki (that I could see anyway) so, so
long as the GM has a feel for culture in Cazala they should be fine (seems
to me anyway).

Cheers H 

Hamish Brown
Director

Zenergy
Whole People Co-operating in a Sustainable world
119 Mt Eden Rd,
Auckland
www.zenergyglobal.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
carojono
Sent: Tuesday, 19 mmmm 2006 9:24
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Guild Meetings

Yes it is an opinion.

But most starting DQ GMs don't consider it as an option at all.
I am pleased that you found it interesting Jim.

Jono



Quoting carojono <carojono@xtra.co.nz>:
>
> I think new GMs could run games in Carzala instead. This allows characters
> to ride horses (it will be one of the few times) close to the guild, but
not
> to close as the party is low or medium level and can easily be a few days
> from the guild (unless you have a Celestial with Wings, or an Air mage
with
> flying or a cloud).
>
> A lot of low level adventures could be based in Carzala if you as GM wish.
> Their are a number of events you could use from the SGT, as well as in
game
> events that you as a player have seen. Talk to the GM of the adventure you
> saw the event and ask them to help you flesh ABC out.


Do you, Jono?

How interesting. It's an opinion.

I wonder what's on the news.

Jim.


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number
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Cazala.</span></font><br>
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<font size=3D2 face=3Dsans-serif><span =
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out (eg
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(and
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<font size=3D2 face=3Dsans-serif><span =
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</span></font><tt><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
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are 90 little villages on Jono's new Map in an area the size =
of</span></font></tt><font
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<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">greater <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Auckland</st1:place></st1:City></font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">I am planning a med level adventure =
around of one
of the outlying ones.</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Very few of these are detailed on the =
wiki (that I
could see anyway) so, so</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">long as the GM has a feel for culture in =
Cazala
they should be fine (seems</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">to me anyway).</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Cheers H </font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Hamish <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">B</st1:PersonName>rown</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Director</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Zenergy</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Whole People Co-operating in a =
Sustainable world</font></tt><br>
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<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">B</st1:PersonName>ehalf
Of</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">carojono</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Sent: Tuesday, 19 mmmm 2006 =
9:24</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">To: <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Subject: Re: [dq] Guild =
Meetings</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Yes it is an opinion.</font></tt><br>
<br>
<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on"><tt><font face=3D"Courier =
New">B</font></tt></st1:PersonName><tt><font
face=3D"Courier New">ut most starting DQ GMs don't consider it as an =
option at
all.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">I am pleased that you found it =
interesting Jim.</font></tt><br>
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<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Jono</font></tt><br>
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<br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Quoting carojono =
&lt;carojono@xtra.co.nz&gt;:</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">&gt;</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">&gt; I think new GMs could run games in =
Carzala
instead. This allows characters</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">&gt; to ride horses (it will be one of =
the few
times) close to the guild, but</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">not</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">&gt; to close as the party is low or =
medium level
and can easily be a few days</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">&gt; from the guild (unless you have a =
Celestial
with Wings, or an Air mage</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">with</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">&gt; flying or a cloud).</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">&gt;</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">&gt; A lot of low level adventures could =
be based
in Carzala if you as GM wish.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">&gt; Their are a number of events you =
could use
from the SGT, as well as in</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">game</font></tt><br>
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seen. Talk
to the GM of the adventure you</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">&gt; saw the event and ask them to help =
you flesh
A<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">B</st1:PersonName>C out.</font></tt><br>
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<br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Do you, Jono?</font></tt><br>
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<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">How interesting. It's an =
opinion.</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">I wonder what's on the =
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<tt><font face=3D"Courier New">Jim.</font></tt><br>
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Aren't the recently released maps after the downsizing?
 
http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/User:Jono_Bean#carzala_maps
<http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/User:Jono_Bean#carzala_maps>
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"Below are a range of maps as Jpeg files which cover the area of Carzala.
The have names and have been changed to fit with the population figure of
60k to 80k."
 
I can't find the discussion on the Wiki, so can't check if this number is at
an earlier stage.
 
Cheers
Errol

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From: RMansfield@ingnz.com [mailto:RMansfield@ingnz.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 19 September 2006 11:46
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] GMing



Err - please be aware that Jono is adjusting the number of villages
downwards after much discussion on the population density of Cazala.

I suggest picking a village and
1) if it's not on the wiki add it, then put in a few facts you would like
you players to know, then after the adventure fill in the extra they found
out (eg NPC names)
2) if it's already there then use the available info and make up the rest
(and update the wiki after the adventure)

Regards,
Rosemary





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There are 90 little villages on Jono's new Map in an area the size of
greater Auckland

I am planning a med level adventure around of one of the outlying ones.

Very few of these are detailed on the wiki (that I could see anyway) so, so
long as the GM has a feel for culture in Cazala they should be fine (seems
to me anyway).

Cheers H 

Hamish Brown
Director

Zenergy
Whole People Co-operating in a Sustainable world
119 Mt Eden Rd,
Auckland
www.zenergyglobal.com 

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From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
carojono
Sent: Tuesday, 19 mmmm 2006 9:24
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Guild Meetings

Yes it is an opinion.

But most starting DQ GMs don't consider it as an option at all.
I am pleased that you found it interesting Jim.

Jono



Quoting carojono <carojono@xtra.co.nz>:
>
> I think new GMs could run games in Carzala instead. This allows characters
> to ride horses (it will be one of the few times) close to the guild, but
not
> to close as the party is low or medium level and can easily be a few days
> from the guild (unless you have a Celestial with Wings, or an Air mage
with
> flying or a cloud).
>
> A lot of low level adventures could be based in Carzala if you as GM wish.
> Their are a number of events you could use from the SGT, as well as in
game
> events that you as a player have seen. Talk to the GM of the adventure you
> saw the event and ask them to help you flesh ABC out.


Do you, Jono?

How interesting. It's an opinion.

I wonder what's on the news.

Jim.


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Rosemary wrote:
"Err - please be aware that Jono is adjusting the number of villages
downwards after much discussion on the population density of Cazala."
... cut ...


I have already reduced the number of village/hamlets from 300 to around 100.
I also bunched up the reminding villages and hamlets closer to their market
towns.

I have also reduced the amount of farm land they are currently farming to
reflect this. Before they had an area being farmed which would need 600 or
so villages/hamlets to keep it farmed, and a population of 250,000 people.

I understand that Andrew's poll said that people wanted a population of
approximately 50,000 to 75,000 + Seagate. I have not checked this outcome so
I could be flat out wrong.

The population's for the village/hamlets is aimed at around 250-500 people
each dot on the map.
This puts the population for them at 25,000 to 50,000 people in Duchy of
Carzala, with a balance being somewhere around 350 each being a total of
35,000 people.

The market towns at approximately  20,000 people (including approximately
4,000 from Brastor, in Arn's Ferry)
Seagate is approximately 25,000 people. Approximately 10 ruined
villages/hamlets in Carzala.

Current totals are approximately:
Village/Hamlets: 35,000
Market towns: 15,000
Segate City: 25,000
Brastor people: 5,000

A 1.5 MB jpg map for this can be found at:
http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Carzala_150_DPI

Details being:
Population of Market town, Name of Market town, # of villages, Names of
villages/hamlets

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1,300 Seacroft 5 = Crabcove, pinefield, Seacroft-on-Sea, Blackwood, Kar’s
Landing

2,800 Gugnir’s Hope 9 = Dwarf Hold, Blue Grass, Goblin Hill, Bladesmiths,
Telninton, Candlestone Farm, Redtree, Bardsong, Irongate

2,600 Northfield 8 = Hogalton, Bayview, Greenwoods, Eastfield, Copper,
Bardview, Silkwood, Blackcrow

2,400 Monck’s Corner 10 / 2 = Highgrain, Bluehill, Dunhill, Hangstone,
Evergreen, Saxton, Dune, Foxwood, Goodblood, Whitechapel, Monck’s Abby,
Rothmans Abby

2,300 Venture 9 = Whitecross, Lip Ruins, Westcrossing, Thatch, Daggergrove,
Twine, Ayl, Castwell, Pikehold,

1,470 Bolton 9 = Sap, Rothdun, Greentreen, Tome Hold, Wilbinton, Aq,
Slimtree Southgrove, Scale Point

1,390 Crystal Spring 8 = Finger Bottom, Single Giant, Little Giant, Tall
Hobbits, Underhill, Stonecast, Small Hill, Silverrock

1,000 South Gate* 5 = All Tye, Southhold, Dwarf Home, Broken Arrow, Duntow
Ruins.

800 Slippery Rock 5 = Blight Ruins, Thok Ruins, Westwind Ruins, Tim’s Ruins,
Byson Ruins

4,500 Arn’s  Ferry 11 = So So East, Blimb, Southhill, Blackstone, Bryton,
Graig’s Farm, Whitecovern, Gwen, Southrest, Su Su, Celadin

25,000 Seagate 11 = Castle Chilton, Tallwood, West Mill, Sea Cove,
Eastcommon, Chilton Manor, Good Mill, Harth, Tombhold, Arn’s Inn, Northwicca

1,100 Stoneboro 9 = Tyoun, Goldwist, Hues Farm, Willow, Hylo, East Mine,
Mock’s End, Dagger, Springfield

Ante Carzala** 7 = New Scarpia, Silver Drake, Gules Bezantz, Blackrum, New
Leon di Calatrava, Luck, Schizton

* No numbers on the wiki for South Gate. ** No market town for Ante Carzala
area.


I hope that this is in line with peoples wishes.
Kind regards,

Jono Bean
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Thanks for the clarification Jono.

Regards,
Rosemary




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I am almost entirely uninterested in Carzala, and the shared world of Alusia.

I would probably never run a game there, and would never be swayed to do so, as
far as I can see. I run good games. Other people do as well. If they want to
run the game on the back of a pig's bum, I couldn't give a tinker's.

We are interested in good games. Not people playing in the same, imaginary,
geography.

Ignore everything else except how to make a game that has enough entertainment
to capture excitement, and enough structure to provide suspension of disbelief.
The rest is so unimportant by comparison that I wonder why anyone even thought
of it.

Jim

Quoting Johanna and Hamish <perfect_brown@xtra.co.nz>:

> There are 90 little villages on Jono's new Map in an area the size of
> greater Auckland
>
> I am planning a med level adventure around of one of the outlying ones.
>
> Very few of these are detailed on the wiki (that I could see anyway) so, so
> long as the GM has a feel for culture in Cazala they should be fine (seems
> to me anyway).
>
> Cheers H
>
> Hamish Brown
> Director
>
> Zenergy
> Whole People Co-operating in a Sustainable world
> 119 Mt Eden Rd,
> Auckland
> www.zenergyglobal.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
> carojono
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 mmmm 2006 9:24
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Guild Meetings
>
> Yes it is an opinion.
>
> But most starting DQ GMs don't consider it as an option at all.
> I am pleased that you found it interesting Jim.
>
> Jono
>
>
>
> Quoting carojono <carojono@xtra.co.nz>:
> >
> > I think new GMs could run games in Carzala instead. This allows characters
> > to ride horses (it will be one of the few times) close to the guild, but
> not
> > to close as the party is low or medium level and can easily be a few days
> > from the guild (unless you have a Celestial with Wings, or an Air mage
> with
> > flying or a cloud).
> >
> > A lot of low level adventures could be based in Carzala if you as GM wish.
> > Their are a number of events you could use from the SGT, as well as in
> game
> > events that you as a player have seen. Talk to the GM of the adventure you
> > saw the event and ask them to help you flesh ABC out.
>
>
> Do you, Jono?
>
> How interesting. It's an opinion.
>
> I wonder what's on the news.
>
> Jim.
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Lovely turn of phrase as usual Jim.

Though I just don't agree.  I like adventuring where my characters have
build up a history and kind of know what's going on - it helps me with
suspension of disbelief.  One of the challenges is making Alusia consistent
enough for this.  

Still its fine people running games other places too - really I agree that
it's all good.  I should probably come on a game of yours. That tree one
looks interesting, though it is full. Maybe in the future.

H 



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To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
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I am almost entirely uninterested in Carzala, and the shared world of
Alusia.

I would probably never run a game there, and would never be swayed to do so,
as
far as I can see. I run good games. Other people do as well. If they want to
run the game on the back of a pig's bum, I couldn't give a tinker's.

We are interested in good games. Not people playing in the same, imaginary,
geography.

Ignore everything else except how to make a game that has enough
entertainment
to capture excitement, and enough structure to provide suspension of
disbelief.
The rest is so unimportant by comparison that I wonder why anyone even
thought
of it.

Jim

Quoting Johanna and Hamish <perfect_brown@xtra.co.nz>:

> There are 90 little villages on Jono's new Map in an area the size of
> greater Auckland
>
> I am planning a med level adventure around of one of the outlying ones.
>
> Very few of these are detailed on the wiki (that I could see anyway) so,
so
> long as the GM has a feel for culture in Cazala they should be fine (seems
> to me anyway).
>
> Cheers H
>
> Hamish Brown
> Director
>
> Zenergy
> Whole People Co-operating in a Sustainable world
> 119 Mt Eden Rd,
> Auckland
> www.zenergyglobal.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
> carojono
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 mmmm 2006 9:24
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq] Guild Meetings
>
> Yes it is an opinion.
>
> But most starting DQ GMs don't consider it as an option at all.
> I am pleased that you found it interesting Jim.
>
> Jono
>
>
>
> Quoting carojono <carojono@xtra.co.nz>:
> >
> > I think new GMs could run games in Carzala instead. This allows
characters
> > to ride horses (it will be one of the few times) close to the guild, but
> not
> > to close as the party is low or medium level and can easily be a few
days
> > from the guild (unless you have a Celestial with Wings, or an Air mage
> with
> > flying or a cloud).
> >
> > A lot of low level adventures could be based in Carzala if you as GM
wish.
> > Their are a number of events you could use from the SGT, as well as in
> game
> > events that you as a player have seen. Talk to the GM of the adventure
you
> > saw the event and ask them to help you flesh ABC out.
>
>
> Do you, Jono?
>
> How interesting. It's an opinion.
>
> I wonder what's on the news.
>
> Jim.
>
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And sorry if this in the wrong place. We need to set up a community area
really to discuss policy points, but...

WTF!

That's a pretty nazi thing to do to remove the entire Winter Games talk
thread like that. Very, very un-wiki dudes.

That talk page was a good example of a heated debate which *didn't* go too
far. Nowhere was there any ad hominem attacks, nowhere from my memory was
there any abuse. If there were single comments that went too far then those
should have been summarized or deleted.

Check out the wikipedia examples of bad behavior
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Behavior_that_is_unacceptable

If it was too long or off topic then refactor, edit it or move it. It was
getting a bit unreadable, I grant you that. That sort of thing is
neccessary.

If this stuff doesnt get discussed in public it will just get swept under
the carpet and then sometime soon everything will just explode and be
unmanageable. We are entitled to free and public debate around DQ if we are
going to be democratic about this. I can see why players are getting touchy
about this. I can also understand why GMs might be feeling touchy about it.
But the whole debate is about balancing games in a multi-GM environment,
something which we should be discussing. I would happily listen to why them
might be feeling touchy and help them understand the necessity of this
process, please feel free to email/skype/call me, or I'm happy to do the
same back.

This process really is that important to me! I dont mind if after some
debate the items are still out there, just that the debate happens.

Please, please reinstate the thread. Otherwise it stinks of censorship,
police states and brutality behind closed doors.


with my mortar board on...

--Dan <http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/User:Dan> 22:01, 19
Sep 2006 (NZST)

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<p>And sorry if this in the wrong place. We need to set up a community area really to discuss policy points, but...
</p><p>WTF!
</p><p>That's a pretty nazi thing to do to remove the entire Winter Games talk thread like that. Very, very un-wiki dudes.
</p><p>That talk page was a good example of a heated debate which
*didn't* go too far. Nowhere was there any ad hominem attacks, nowhere
from my memory was there any abuse. If there were single comments that
went too far then those should have been summarized or deleted. </p><p>Check out the wikipedia examples of bad behavior <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Behavior_that_is_unacceptable" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Behavior_that_is_unacceptable</a>
</p><p>If it was too long or off topic then refactor, edit it or move
it. It was getting a bit unreadable, I grant you that. That sort of
thing is neccessary.
</p><p>If this stuff doesnt get discussed in public it will just get
swept under the carpet and then sometime soon everything will just
explode and be unmanageable. We are entitled to free and public debate
around DQ if we are going to be democratic about this. I can see why
players are getting touchy about this. I can also understand why GMs
might be feeling touchy about it. But the whole debate is about
balancing games in a multi-GM environment, something which we should be
discussing. I would happily listen to why them might be feeling touchy
and help them understand the necessity of this process, please feel
free to email/skype/call me, or I'm happy to do the same back. </p><p>This process really is that important to me! I dont mind if
after some debate the items are still out there, just that the debate
happens.
</p><p>Please, please reinstate the thread. Otherwise it stinks of censorship, police states and brutality behind closed doors.
</p><p><br>
with my mortar board on...
</p><p>--<a href="http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/User:Dan" title="User:Dan" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Dan</a> 22:01, 19 Sep 2006 (NZST)
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