Now thats odd. Ok odd enough that I have to ask - why?

Why publish to the list? Terry did you take this up with Andrew Withy? Did
Andrew not take action over this, which you feel is fare or reasonable? Am I
miss understanding?

I am sure Andrew will post regarding dambing post, but what do the other
players have to say about this, if anything?

Jono

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Behalf Of Seagate Editors
Sent: Monday, 16 April 2007 5:46 a.m.
To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq-pub] Roleplaying


Hi All,

I was in NZ in February, across from the UK. As Andrew Withy had
previous ask to was use my character as an NPC in my game, and I was
in the country, he and was kind enough to let me play for an evening.

http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Festival_of_the_Arts

Andrew introduced my character the evening before I was due to play.
The players attacked the character (Sabastian) on sight, beat him and
imprisoned him in a stasis field. I believe they almost killing him
when he was captured. Andrew pointed out to the players I was only
going to be there for the one evening and hinted I could provide proof
their employers were up to something. The players continued with their
actions and, in Andrew words,  "they turned all loyal to their
employers (a first)."

There are in-game mechanisms (the guild) to punish players that attack
another character. I was stunned that players would prevent another
player from participating, one that *the GM* was introducing to the
game. Role playing is about having fun and you have a care of duty to
other players to ensure they also have fun. What is the point
roleplaying a genuinely unpleasant character? Wheres the fun in
upsetting other players? Thats just nasty behaviour.

It's a shame Chris wasn't there that night, since I'm sure he would
not have let this happen. To Dean, Kelsie, Struan and Ian: Following
guild rules, and think about how your playing impacts other people.
You went out of your way to make sure I couldn't play, there is no
justification for this – I don't care what your 'roleplaying' excuses
were. I look forward to hearing what punishment was doled out on the
characters.

I am very disappointed by this incident, and would like to make others
aware of this incident, in the hopes that it will avoid another like
it.

Terry


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hi all,

public vilification may be the most effective method of stopping a repeat of such behaviour. And a public rant may be what the agrieved needs to put it to rest.

It appears from Terry's post that he is not a aware of any GM-punishment of the characters. The Grievance Tribunal can look at complaints, after the GM has had a chance to effect a remedy, and if the complainant still feels agrieved. 

BTW - Just to confirm no conflict of interest, the 'Ian' in question was someone else. 

Cheers 
Ian (Wood)

---- carojono <carojono@slingshot.co.nz> wrote: 
> 
> Now thats odd. Ok odd enough that I have to ask - why?
> 
> Why publish to the list? Terry did you take this up with Andrew Withy? Did
> Andrew not take action over this, which you feel is fare or reasonable? Am I
> miss understanding?
> 
> I am sure Andrew will post regarding dambing post, but what do the other
> players have to say about this, if anything?
> 
> Jono
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On
> Behalf Of Seagate Editors
> Sent: Monday, 16 April 2007 5:46 a.m.
> To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: [dq-pub] Roleplaying
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I was in NZ in February, across from the UK. As Andrew Withy had
> previous ask to was use my character as an NPC in my game, and I was
> in the country, he and was kind enough to let me play for an evening.
> 
> http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Festival_of_the_Arts
> 
> Andrew introduced my character the evening before I was due to play.
> The players attacked the character (Sabastian) on sight, beat him and
> imprisoned him in a stasis field. I believe they almost killing him
> when he was captured. Andrew pointed out to the players I was only
> going to be there for the one evening and hinted I could provide proof
> their employers were up to something. The players continued with their
> actions and, in Andrew words,  "they turned all loyal to their
> employers (a first)."
> 
> There are in-game mechanisms (the guild) to punish players that attack
> another character. I was stunned that players would prevent another
> player from participating, one that *the GM* was introducing to the
> game. Role playing is about having fun and you have a care of duty to
> other players to ensure they also have fun. What is the point
> roleplaying a genuinely unpleasant character? Wheres the fun in
> upsetting other players? Thats just nasty behaviour.
> 
> It's a shame Chris wasn't there that night, since I'm sure he would
> not have let this happen. To Dean, Kelsie, Struan and Ian: Following
> guild rules, and think about how your playing impacts other people.
> You went out of your way to make sure I couldn't play, there is no
> justification for this – I don't care what your 'roleplaying' excuses
> were. I look forward to hearing what punishment was doled out on the
> characters.
> 
> I am very disappointed by this incident, and would like to make others
> aware of this incident, in the hopes that it will avoid another like
> it.
> 
> Terry
> 
> 
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It does seem a good idea to make players aware of the situation, and
reiterate the problem now and again.  I know I'd be very disappointed
if I was in Terry's shoes. I urge all players (not just those
involved) to think a little bit more about this, and think what
they're doing while in-game.

I would certainly expect some sort of guild punishment for the
characters, from directly violating guild rules. Whether or not the
punishments be made public is another matter... but I'd encourage it
myself!  I can even suggest a few if necessary.... 3 months kitchen
duty or similar (ie no training or adventuring) would be nice... i'm
sure adventuring parties can "meet" them at the guild as well, for
some light amusement in-game.

Oops. work time.

On 4/17/07, dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz <dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> hi all,
>
> public vilification may be the most effective method of stopping a repeat of such behaviour. And a public rant may be what the agrieved needs to put it to rest.
>
> It appears from Terry's post that he is not a aware of any GM-punishment of the characters. The Grievance Tribunal can look at complaints, after the GM has had a chance to effect a remedy, and if the complainant still feels agrieved.
>
> BTW - Just to confirm no conflict of interest, the 'Ian' in question was someone else.
>
> Cheers
> Ian (Wood)
>
> ---- carojono <carojono@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> > Now thats odd. Ok odd enough that I have to ask - why?
> >
> > Why publish to the list? Terry did you take this up with Andrew Withy? Did
> > Andrew not take action over this, which you feel is fare or reasonable? Am I
> > miss understanding?
> >
> > I am sure Andrew will post regarding dambing post, but what do the other
> > players have to say about this, if anything?
> >
> > Jono
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On
> > Behalf Of Seagate Editors
> > Sent: Monday, 16 April 2007 5:46 a.m.
> > To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz
> > Subject: [dq-pub] Roleplaying
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I was in NZ in February, across from the UK. As Andrew Withy had
> > previous ask to was use my character as an NPC in my game, and I was
> > in the country, he and was kind enough to let me play for an evening.
> >
> > http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Festival_of_the_Arts
> >
> > Andrew introduced my character the evening before I was due to play.
> > The players attacked the character (Sabastian) on sight, beat him and
> > imprisoned him in a stasis field. I believe they almost killing him
> > when he was captured. Andrew pointed out to the players I was only
> > going to be there for the one evening and hinted I could provide proof
> > their employers were up to something. The players continued with their
> > actions and, in Andrew words,  "they turned all loyal to their
> > employers (a first)."
> >
> > There are in-game mechanisms (the guild) to punish players that attack
> > another character. I was stunned that players would prevent another
> > player from participating, one that *the GM* was introducing to the
> > game. Role playing is about having fun and you have a care of duty to
> > other players to ensure they also have fun. What is the point
> > roleplaying a genuinely unpleasant character? Wheres the fun in
> > upsetting other players? Thats just nasty behaviour.
> >
> > It's a shame Chris wasn't there that night, since I'm sure he would
> > not have let this happen. To Dean, Kelsie, Struan and Ian: Following
> > guild rules, and think about how your playing impacts other people.
> > You went out of your way to make sure I couldn't play, there is no
> > justification for this – I don't care what your 'roleplaying' excuses
> > were. I look forward to hearing what punishment was doled out on the
> > characters.
> >
> > I am very disappointed by this incident, and would like to make others
> > aware of this incident, in the hopes that it will avoid another like
> > it.
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >
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Terry posting about this on a list is understandable, even if perhaps not
the optimum approach.
Un-involved players passing judgement and 'expecting' in-character
punishment on the basis of hearing one veiwpoint is not appropriate IMO.

This is not to say that in-game punishment _may_ not be appropriate in this
case, however there are several other views on the incident that are not
public, and non-public punishment _may_ have already occured (e.g. XP
penalty).

Cheers
Errol

-----Original Message-----
From: dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On
Behalf Of Neil Davies
Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 11:04
To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq-pub] Roleplaying


It does seem a good idea to make players aware of the situation, and
reiterate the problem now and again.  I know I'd be very disappointed
if I was in Terry's shoes. I urge all players (not just those
involved) to think a little bit more about this, and think what
they're doing while in-game.

I would certainly expect some sort of guild punishment for the
characters, from directly violating guild rules. Whether or not the
punishments be made public is another matter... but I'd encourage it
myself!  I can even suggest a few if necessary.... 3 months kitchen
duty or similar (ie no training or adventuring) would be nice... i'm
sure adventuring parties can "meet" them at the guild as well, for
some light amusement in-game.

Oops. work time.

On 4/17/07, dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz <dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> hi all,
>
> public vilification may be the most effective method of stopping a repeat
of such behaviour. And a public rant may be what the agrieved needs to put
it to rest.
>
> It appears from Terry's post that he is not a aware of any GM-punishment
of the characters. The Grievance Tribunal can look at complaints, after the
GM has had a chance to effect a remedy, and if the complainant still feels
agrieved.
>
> BTW - Just to confirm no conflict of interest, the 'Ian' in question was
someone else.
>
> Cheers
> Ian (Wood)
>
> ---- carojono <carojono@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> > Now thats odd. Ok odd enough that I have to ask - why?
> >
> > Why publish to the list? Terry did you take this up with Andrew Withy?
Did
> > Andrew not take action over this, which you feel is fare or reasonable?
Am I
> > miss understanding?
> >
> > I am sure Andrew will post regarding dambing post, but what do the other
> > players have to say about this, if anything?
> >
> > Jono
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On
> > Behalf Of Seagate Editors
> > Sent: Monday, 16 April 2007 5:46 a.m.
> > To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz
> > Subject: [dq-pub] Roleplaying
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I was in NZ in February, across from the UK. As Andrew Withy had
> > previous ask to was use my character as an NPC in my game, and I was
> > in the country, he and was kind enough to let me play for an evening.
> >
> > http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Festival_of_the_Arts
> >
> > Andrew introduced my character the evening before I was due to play.
> > The players attacked the character (Sabastian) on sight, beat him and
> > imprisoned him in a stasis field. I believe they almost killing him
> > when he was captured. Andrew pointed out to the players I was only
> > going to be there for the one evening and hinted I could provide proof
> > their employers were up to something. The players continued with their
> > actions and, in Andrew words,  "they turned all loyal to their
> > employers (a first)."
> >
> > There are in-game mechanisms (the guild) to punish players that attack
> > another character. I was stunned that players would prevent another
> > player from participating, one that *the GM* was introducing to the
> > game. Role playing is about having fun and you have a care of duty to
> > other players to ensure they also have fun. What is the point
> > roleplaying a genuinely unpleasant character? Wheres the fun in
> > upsetting other players? Thats just nasty behaviour.
> >
> > It's a shame Chris wasn't there that night, since I'm sure he would
> > not have let this happen. To Dean, Kelsie, Struan and Ian: Following
> > guild rules, and think about how your playing impacts other people.
> > You went out of your way to make sure I couldn't play, there is no
> > justification for this - I don't care what your 'roleplaying' excuses
> > were. I look forward to hearing what punishment was doled out on the
> > characters.
> >
> > I am very disappointed by this incident, and would like to make others
> > aware of this incident, in the hopes that it will avoid another like
> > it.
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Terry posting about this on a list is understandable, =
even if perhaps not the optimum approach.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Un-involved players passing judgement and =
'expecting' in-character punishment on the basis of hearing one =
veiwpoint is not appropriate IMO.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>This is not to say that in-game punishment _may_ not =
be appropriate in this case, however there are several other views on =
the incident that are not public, and non-public punishment _may_ have =
already occured (e.g. XP penalty).</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz">mailto:dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.=
nz</A>]On</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Behalf Of Neil Davies</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 11:04</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: [dq-pub] Roleplaying</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It does seem a good idea to make players aware of the =
situation, and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>reiterate the problem now and again.&nbsp; I know =
I'd be very disappointed</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>if I was in Terry's shoes. I urge all players (not =
just those</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>involved) to think a little bit more about this, and =
think what</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>they're doing while in-game.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I would certainly expect some sort of guild =
punishment for the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>characters, from directly violating guild rules. =
Whether or not the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>punishments be made public is another matter... but =
I'd encourage it</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>myself!&nbsp; I can even suggest a few if =
necessary.... 3 months kitchen</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>duty or similar (ie no training or adventuring) =
would be nice... i'm</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>sure adventuring parties can &quot;meet&quot; them =
at the guild as well, for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>some light amusement in-game.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Oops. work time.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On 4/17/07, dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz =
&lt;dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz&gt; wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; hi all,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; public vilification may be the most effective =
method of stopping a repeat of such behaviour. And a public rant may be =
what the agrieved needs to put it to rest.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; It appears from Terry's post that he is not a =
aware of any GM-punishment of the characters. The Grievance Tribunal =
can look at complaints, after the GM has had a chance to effect a =
remedy, and if the complainant still feels agrieved.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; BTW - Just to confirm no conflict of interest, =
the 'Ian' in question was someone else.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Cheers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Ian (Wood)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; ---- carojono &lt;carojono@slingshot.co.nz&gt; =
wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Now thats odd. Ok odd enough that I have =
to ask - why?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Why publish to the list? Terry did you =
take this up with Andrew Withy? Did</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Andrew not take action over this, which =
you feel is fare or reasonable? Am I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; miss understanding?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; I am sure Andrew will post regarding =
dambing post, but what do the other</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; players have to say about this, if =
anything?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Jono</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; From: dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz">mailto:dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.=
nz</A>]On</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Behalf Of Seagate Editors</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Sent: Monday, 16 April 2007 5:46 =
a.m.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Subject: [dq-pub] Roleplaying</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Hi All,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; I was in NZ in February, across from the =
UK. As Andrew Withy had</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; previous ask to was use my character as an =
NPC in my game, and I was</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; in the country, he and was kind enough to =
let me play for an evening.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Festival_of_the_A=
rts" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Festiva=
l_of_the_Arts</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Andrew introduced my character the evening =
before I was due to play.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; The players attacked the character =
(Sabastian) on sight, beat him and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; imprisoned him in a stasis field. I =
believe they almost killing him</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; when he was captured. Andrew pointed out =
to the players I was only</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; going to be there for the one evening and =
hinted I could provide proof</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; their employers were up to something. The =
players continued with their</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; actions and, in Andrew words,&nbsp; =
&quot;they turned all loyal to their</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; employers (a first).&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; There are in-game mechanisms (the guild) =
to punish players that attack</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; another character. I was stunned that =
players would prevent another</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; player from participating, one that *the =
GM* was introducing to the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; game. Role playing is about having fun and =
you have a care of duty to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; other players to ensure they also have =
fun. What is the point</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; roleplaying a genuinely unpleasant =
character? Wheres the fun in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; upsetting other players? Thats just nasty =
behaviour.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; It's a shame Chris wasn't there that =
night, since I'm sure he would</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; not have let this happen. To Dean, Kelsie, =
Struan and Ian: Following</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; guild rules, and think about how your =
playing impacts other people.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; You went out of your way to make sure I =
couldn't play, there is no</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; justification for this - I don't care what =
your 'roleplaying' excuses</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; were. I look forward to hearing what =
punishment was doled out on the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; characters.</FONT>
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I'm appalled by this post and some of the responses to it.

A woman walks down the street in a black dress carrying a broom, a boy cries "Witch", the
townsfolk grab torches and pitchforks to burn her!

Does anyone else see the comparison?


Shit sometimes happens.  I'm not passing any judgement on the matter as I wasn't there and don't
know the details.  But there are simple ways to maturely settle a grievance.
In this case a better sequence of actions would have been:
1) Raise it with the Players you have a grievance with.
2) If you fail to resolve it with them then raise it with the GM.
3) If you feel you are unjustly treated by the GM then raise it with the Grievance Tribunal.

That's it!  If the independent people of the tribunal decide that no further action is required
then suck it up and get on with your life.

- Stephen.


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I've played for about 5 years. I wouldn't have a clue how to contact the
grivence tribunal. Now its just a guess but I doubt Terry knows how to
either even if he is really aware of it. How would one contact them?
Dylan


On 4/17/07, Stephen Martin <stephenm@aklnz.net> wrote:
>
> I'm appalled by this post and some of the responses to it.
>
> A woman walks down the street in a black dress carrying a broom, a boy
> cries "Witch", the
> townsfolk grab torches and pitchforks to burn her!
>
> Does anyone else see the comparison?
>
>
> Shit sometimes happens.  I'm not passing any judgement on the matter as I
> wasn't there and don't
> know the details.  But there are simple ways to maturely settle a
> grievance.
> In this case a better sequence of actions would have been:
> 1) Raise it with the Players you have a grievance with.
> 2) If you fail to resolve it with them then raise it with the GM.
> 3) If you feel you are unjustly treated by the GM then raise it with the
> Grievance Tribunal.
>
> That's it!  If the independent people of the tribunal decide that no
> further action is required
> then suck it up and get on with your life.
>
> - Stephen.
>
>
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<div>I&#39;ve played for about 5 years. I wouldn&#39;t have a clue how to contact the grivence tribunal. Now its just a guess but I doubt Terry knows how to either even if he is really aware of it. How would one contact them?
</div>
<div>Dylan<br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 4/17/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Stephen Martin</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:stephenm@aklnz.net">stephenm@aklnz.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I&#39;m appalled by this post and some of the responses to it.<br><br>A woman walks down the street in a black dress carrying a broom, a boy cries &quot;Witch&quot;, the
<br>townsfolk grab torches and pitchforks to burn her!<br><br>Does anyone else see the comparison?<br><br><br>Shit sometimes happens.&nbsp;&nbsp;I&#39;m not passing any judgement on the matter as I wasn&#39;t there and don&#39;t<br>
know the details.&nbsp;&nbsp;But there are simple ways to maturely settle a grievance.<br>In this case a better sequence of actions would have been:<br>1) Raise it with the Players you have a grievance with.<br>2) If you fail to resolve it with them then raise it with the GM.
<br>3) If you feel you are unjustly treated by the GM then raise it with the Grievance Tribunal.<br><br>That&#39;s it!&nbsp;&nbsp;If the independent people of the tribunal decide that no further action is required<br>then suck it up and get on with your life.
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http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Grievance_Tribunal

provides their names. Though I'm sure a direct request here would
result in at least a couple of them replying privately.

TTFN, Struan.

On 4/17/07, RPer 4eva <msnoverflow@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've played for about 5 years. I wouldn't have a clue how to contact the
> grivence tribunal. Now its just a guess but I doubt Terry knows how to
> either even if he is really aware of it. How would one contact them?
> Dylan
>
>
>
> On 4/17/07, Stephen Martin <stephenm@aklnz.net> wrote:
> > I'm appalled by this post and some of the responses to it.
> >
> > A woman walks down the street in a black dress carrying a broom, a boy
> cries "Witch", the
> > townsfolk grab torches and pitchforks to burn her!
> >
> > Does anyone else see the comparison?
> >
> >
> > Shit sometimes happens.  I'm not passing any judgement on the matter as I
> wasn't there and don't
> > know the details.  But there are simple ways to maturely settle a
> grievance.
> > In this case a better sequence of actions would have been:
> > 1) Raise it with the Players you have a grievance with.
> > 2) If you fail to resolve it with them then raise it with the GM.
> > 3) If you feel you are unjustly treated by the GM then raise it with the
> Grievance Tribunal.
> >
> > That's it!  If the independent people of the tribunal decide that no
> further action is required
> > then suck it up and get on with your life.
> >
> > - Stephen.
> >
> >
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That's ok, we know who you are. :-)
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz=20
  Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 1:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [dq-pub] Roleplaying


  I've played for about 5 years. I wouldn't have a clue how to contact =
the grivence tribunal. Now its just a guess but I doubt Terry knows how =
to either even if he is really aware of it. How would one contact them?=20
  Dylan

  =20
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    I'm appalled by this post and some of the responses to it.

    A woman walks down the street in a black dress carrying a broom, a =
boy cries "Witch", the=20
    townsfolk grab torches and pitchforks to burn her!

    Does anyone else see the comparison?


    Shit sometimes happens.  I'm not passing any judgement on the matter =
as I wasn't there and don't
    know the details.  But there are simple ways to maturely settle a =
grievance.
    In this case a better sequence of actions would have been:
    1) Raise it with the Players you have a grievance with.
    2) If you fail to resolve it with them then raise it with the GM.=20
    3) If you feel you are unjustly treated by the GM then raise it with =
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    That's it!  If the independent people of the tribunal decide that no =
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    then suck it up and get on with your life.=20

    - Stephen.


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yeah, who do you think employs guild security?

Ian
---- William Dymock-Johnson <dworkin@ihug.co.nz> wrote: 
> That's ok, we know who you are. :-)
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: RPer 4eva 
>   To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz 
>   Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 1:11 PM
>   Subject: Re: [dq-pub] Roleplaying
> 
> 
>   I've played for about 5 years. I wouldn't have a clue how to contact the grivence tribunal. Now its just a guess but I doubt Terry knows how to either even if he is really aware of it. How would one contact them? 
>   Dylan
> 
>    
>   On 4/17/07, Stephen Martin <stephenm@aklnz.net> wrote: 
>     I'm appalled by this post and some of the responses to it.
> 
>     A woman walks down the street in a black dress carrying a broom, a boy cries "Witch", the 
>     townsfolk grab torches and pitchforks to burn her!
> 
>     Does anyone else see the comparison?
> 
> 
>     Shit sometimes happens.  I'm not passing any judgement on the matter as I wasn't there and don't
>     know the details.  But there are simple ways to maturely settle a grievance.
>     In this case a better sequence of actions would have been:
>     1) Raise it with the Players you have a grievance with.
>     2) If you fail to resolve it with them then raise it with the GM. 
>     3) If you feel you are unjustly treated by the GM then raise it with the Grievance Tribunal.
> 
>     That's it!  If the independent people of the tribunal decide that no further action is required
>     then suck it up and get on with your life. 
> 
>     - Stephen.
> 
> 
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Guild Security having employers implies that they can be fired, which
doesn't seem likely! They're self-perpetuating, surely!

Errol

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Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:18
To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz
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yeah, who do you think employs guild security?

Ian
---- William Dymock-Johnson <dworkin@ihug.co.nz> wrote: 
> That's ok, we know who you are. :-)
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: RPer 4eva 
>   To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz 
>   Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 1:11 PM
>   Subject: Re: [dq-pub] Roleplaying
> 
> 
>   I've played for about 5 years. I wouldn't have a clue how to contact the
grivence tribunal. Now its just a guess but I doubt Terry knows how to
either even if he is really aware of it. How would one contact them? 
>   Dylan
> 
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surely!</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:18</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>yeah, who do you think employs guild security?</FONT>
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a guess but I doubt Terry knows how to either even if he is really =
aware of it. How would one contact them? </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Dylan</FONT>
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er, does that mean they employ _us_?
gulp, may be i will replace that wine ...

<whistle>
Ian

---- Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz> wrote: 
> Guild Security having employers implies that they can be fired, which
> doesn't seem likely! They're self-perpetuating, surely!
> 
> Errol
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On
> Behalf Of dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:18
> To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [dq-pub] Roleplaying
> 
> 
> yeah, who do you think employs guild security?
> 
> Ian
> ---- William Dymock-Johnson <dworkin@ihug.co.nz> wrote: 
> > That's ok, we know who you are. :-)
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: RPer 4eva 
> >   To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz 
> >   Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 1:11 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [dq-pub] Roleplaying
> > 
> > 
> >   I've played for about 5 years. I wouldn't have a clue how to contact the
> grivence tribunal. Now its just a guess but I doubt Terry knows how to
> either even if he is really aware of it. How would one contact them? 
> >   Dylan
> > 
> >


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