SubjectRe: [dq] DQ: Carzala Maps
FromNeil Davies
DateThu, 10 May 2007 09:40:51 +1200
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Question on Rules.

Quote:
  "A spy's enhanced memory gives them an effective understanding of any
spoken language that they have at Ranks 0-3 as if one rank higher"

Does this increase in effective rank stack with the "effective ranks" due to
knowing a language in the same group or family?

Example: You have an effective rank in Drow of 1 due to having Elvish at Rk
6 in the same family.  With Spy ranked, will this be Rk 2, or stay at Rk 1.

Cheers!

Neil.

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Question on Rules.<br><br>Quote: <br>&nbsp; &quot;A spy's enhanced memory gives them an effective understanding of any spoken language that they have at Ranks 0-3 as if one rank higher&quot;<br><br>Does this increase in effective rank stack with the &quot;effective ranks&quot; due to knowing a language in the same group or family?
<br><br>Example: You have an effective rank in Drow of 1 due to having Elvish at Rk 6 in the same family.&nbsp; With Spy ranked, will this be Rk 2, or stay at Rk 1.<br><br>Cheers!<br><br>Neil.<br>

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Subject[dq] Language Rank Rules
FromNeil Davies
DateThu, 10 May 2007 09:41:58 +1200
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Oops - forgot to change subject last time.

Question on Rules.
>
> Quote:
>   "A spy's enhanced memory gives them an effective understanding of any
> spoken language that they have at Ranks 0-3 as if one rank higher"
>
> Does this increase in effective rank stack with the "effective ranks" due
> to knowing a language in the same group or family?
>
> Example: You have an effective rank in Drow of 1 due to having Elvish at
> Rk 6 in the same family.  With Spy ranked, will this be Rk 2, or stay at Rk
> 1.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Neil.
>

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Oops - forgot to change subject last time.<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Question on Rules.<br><br>Quote: <br>&nbsp;
&quot;A spy&#39;s enhanced memory gives them an effective understanding of any
spoken language that they have at Ranks 0-3 as if one rank higher&quot;<br><br>Does this increase in effective rank stack with the &quot;effective ranks&quot; due to knowing a language in the same group or family?
<br><br>Example: You have an effective rank in Drow of 1 due to having
Elvish at Rk 6 in the same family.&nbsp; With Spy ranked, will this be Rk 2,
or stay at Rk 1.<br><br>Cheers!<br><span class="sg"><br>Neil.<br>
</span></blockquote><br>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Language Rank Rules
FromHelen Saggers
DateThu, 10 May 2007 11:06:15 +1200
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The language in the same family/group is meant to work like my getting =
the gist of my French friend on line when he signed off in French I got =
that he was say good night and good luck adventuring because of the =
number of words that have crosses into English or with the same root and =
a bit of intuition.

For Spy its part of having a better memory, knowing/ remembering more =
words as/when you need them.

I'd say it doesn't count as how can you remember more words in a =
language you don't have.
I think the operative words here  are "they have" not that they gain by =
a secondary means.

It might help raise the rank 2 or 3 Elvish to the point where you can =
tell the Drow is giving an instruction not hurling threats but shouldn't =
effect/increase the understanding of Drow itself.

Helen
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    Question on Rules.

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      "A spy's enhanced memory gives them an effective understanding of =
any spoken language that they have at Ranks 0-3 as if one rank higher"

    Does this increase in effective rank stack with the "effective =
ranks" due to knowing a language in the same group or family?=20

    Example: You have an effective rank in Drow of 1 due to having =
Elvish at Rk 6 in the same family.  With Spy ranked, will this be Rk 2, =
or stay at Rk 1.

    Cheers!

    Neil.



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SubjectRe: [dq] Language Rank Rules
FromMichael Parkinson
DateThu, 10 May 2007 10:57:29 +1200
I'd say yes.  Especially because may be presumed to be from different
advantages...

The spy "effective understanding" bonus reflects the fact that the spy
picks up on things other than the actual words of the language --the
gestures, body language; sighs, sniffs, whatever -- and can even draw a
speaker out by the right non-verbal, semi-verbal or other cues ...
rather than explicit questions.
For example: the right tone of "No!", or "Wow", or "Huh?" or correct
facial expression can draw a speaker on much more effectively than the
more blunt question "What did you see happen next?"
 
The Group & Family bonuses reflect the functional & structural
similarities -- which is an additional bonus, regardless of any other
skills.

regards, 
Michael Parkinson 
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Neil Davies
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:42 AM
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq] Language Rank Rules

Question on Rules.
	
Quote: 
"A spy's enhanced memory gives them an effective understanding of any
spoken language that they have at Ranks 0-3 as if one rank higher"
	
Does this increase in effective rank stack with the "effective ranks"
due to knowing a language in the same group or family? 
	
Example: You have an effective rank in Drow of 1 due to having Elvish at
Rk 6 in the same family.  With Spy ranked, will this be Rk 2, or stay at
Rk 1.
	
Cheers!  Neil.


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SubjectRe: [dq] Language Rank Rules
FromErrol Cavit
DateThu, 10 May 2007 11:09:55 +1200
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I would say that they potentially can stack, but it is rather situation
dependent.
 
There will be many situations were the spy bonus doesn't apply - if you are
trying to make yourself understood to someone moderately (socially) hostile
who is in a hurry, it isn't going to help. If you are sharing info with an
ally (or buying the drinks), fine.
 
Cheers
Errol

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Davies
Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:42
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Subject: [dq] Language Rank Rules


Oops - forgot to change subject last time.



Question on Rules.

Quote: 
  "A spy's enhanced memory gives them an effective understanding of any
spoken language that they have at Ranks 0-3 as if one rank higher"

Does this increase in effective rank stack with the "effective ranks" due to
knowing a language in the same group or family? 

Example: You have an effective rank in Drow of 1 due to having Elvish at Rk
6 in the same family.  With Spy ranked, will this be Rk 2, or stay at Rk 1.

Cheers!

Neil.




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<DIV><SPAN class=828145822-09052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I 
would say that they potentially can stack, but it is rather situation 
dependent.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=828145822-09052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=828145822-09052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>There 
will be many situations were the spy bonus doesn't apply - if you are trying to 
make yourself understood to someone moderately (socially) hostile who is in a 
hurry, it isn't going to help. If you are sharing info with an ally (or buying 
the drinks), fine.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=828145822-09052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=828145822-09052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=828145822-09052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Errol</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:42<BR><B>To:</B> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> 
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    with the "effective ranks" due to knowing a language in the same group or 
    family? <BR><BR>Example: You have an effective rank in Drow of 1 due to 
    having Elvish at Rk 6 in the same family.&nbsp; With Spy ranked, will this 
    be Rk 2, or stay at Rk 1.<BR><BR>Cheers!<BR><SPAN 
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SubjectRe: [dq] Language Rank Rules
FromStephen Martin
DateThu, 10 May 2007 11:46:15 +1200 (NZST)
Errol Cavit wrote:
> I would say that they potentially can stack, but it is rather situation
> dependent.
>
> There will be many situations were the spy bonus doesn't apply - if you are
> trying to make yourself understood to someone moderately (socially) hostile
> who is in a hurry, it isn't going to help. If you are sharing info with an
> ally (or buying the drinks), fine.
>

Point of order... Spy aids understanding spoken language.  It does not help them understand you
any better (unless they are also a spy).

> Cheers
> Errol
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of Neil
> Davies
> Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:42
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: [dq] Language Rank Rules
>
>
> Oops - forgot to change subject last time.
>
>
>
> Question on Rules.
>
> Quote:
>   "A spy's enhanced memory gives them an effective understanding of any
> spoken language that they have at Ranks 0-3 as if one rank higher"
>
> Does this increase in effective rank stack with the "effective ranks" due to
> knowing a language in the same group or family?
>
> Example: You have an effective rank in Drow of 1 due to having Elvish at Rk
> 6 in the same family.  With Spy ranked, will this be Rk 2, or stay at Rk 1.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Neil.
>
>
>
>


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SubjectRe: [dq] DQ: Carzala Maps
FromLev Lafayette
DateWed, 9 May 2007 16:56:55 -0700 (PDT)
--- Neil Davies <neil_davies@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> Question on Rules.
> 
> Quote:
>   "A spy's enhanced memory gives them an effective
> understanding of any
> spoken language that they have at Ranks 0-3 as if
> one rank higher"
> 
> Does this increase in effective rank stack with the
> "effective ranks" due to
> knowing a language in the same group or family?
> 
> Example: You have an effective rank in Drow of 1 due
> to having Elvish at Rk
> 6 in the same family.  With Spy ranked, will this be
> Rk 2, or stay at Rk 1.
> 

I would suggest not. The spy's ability increases the
trained language and the default would operate from
the higher base.

All the best,


Lev

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SubjectRe: [dq] Language Rank Rules
FromErrol Cavit
DateThu, 10 May 2007 12:11:16 +1200
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
> Stephen Martin
> 
> Errol Cavit wrote:
> > I would say that they potentially can stack, but it is 
> rather situation
> > dependent.
> >
> > There will be many situations were the spy bonus doesn't 
> apply - if you are
> > trying to make yourself understood to someone moderately 
> (socially) hostile
> > who is in a hurry, it isn't going to help. If you are 
> sharing info with an
> > ally (or buying the drinks), fine.
> >
> 
> Point of order... Spy aids understanding spoken language.  It 
> does not help them understand you
> any better (unless they are also a spy).

Correct, in the narrow sense. 

However, if you are having a (somewhat difficult, due to low language rank)
conversation, a spy will be in a better position to work out what the other
party has understood. Therefore they can better pick up on
mis-understandings, and attempt to clear them up. Your chances of this
improve somewhat if the other party is also actively trying to clear up
mis-understandings (using varying words to get a point across etc). This
isn't something that is easily quantified.

So, indirectly, spy _can_ (not will) help to convey (as well as learn)
information in some situations IMO. Additional abilities (e.g. befriend,
carousing) help too. I outline my relevant skills to the GM before starting
tricky in-character conversations (which are sometimes done in abstract).

Cheers
Errol

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HREF=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz">mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</A>]O=
n Behalf Of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Stephen Martin</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Errol Cavit wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; I would say that they potentially can =
stack, but it is </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; rather situation</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; dependent.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; There will be many situations were the spy =
bonus doesn't </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; apply - if you are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; trying to make yourself understood to =
someone moderately </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; (socially) hostile</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; who is in a hurry, it isn't going to help. =
If you are </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; sharing info with an</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; ally (or buying the drinks), fine.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Point of order... Spy aids understanding spoken =
language.&nbsp; It </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; does not help them understand you</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; any better (unless they are also a spy).</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Correct, in the narrow sense. </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>However, if you are having a (somewhat difficult, due =
to low language rank) conversation, a spy will be in a better position =
to work out what the other party has understood. Therefore they can =
better pick up on mis-understandings, and attempt to clear them up. =
Your chances of this improve somewhat if the other party is also =
actively trying to clear up mis-understandings (using varying words to =
get a point across etc). This isn't something that is easily =
quantified.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>So, indirectly, spy _can_ (not will) help to convey =
(as well as learn) information in some situations IMO. Additional =
abilities (e.g. befriend, carousing) help too. I outline my relevant =
skills to the GM before starting tricky in-character conversations =
(which are sometimes done in abstract).</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Language Rank Rules
FromStephen Martin
DateThu, 10 May 2007 12:51:46 +1200 (NZST)
It looks like a case could be made either way.
The impact and potential for abuse is fairly low.

So I think we just need to make a call.  A quick show of hands at the next gods meeting.

Meantime, run with whatever your current GM prefers.

For what it's worth, my vote would be Yes!
I agree with Michael's reasoning, and Spies need all the help they can get.

Cheers, Stephen.


Neil Davies wrote:
> Question on Rules.
>>
>> Quote:
>>   "A spy's enhanced memory gives them an effective understanding of any
>> spoken language that they have at Ranks 0-3 as if one rank higher"
>>
>> Does this increase in effective rank stack with the "effective ranks" due
>> to knowing a language in the same group or family?
>>
>> Example: You have an effective rank in Drow of 1 due to having Elvish at
>> Rk 6 in the same family.  With Spy ranked, will this be Rk 2, or stay at Rk
>> 1.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Neil.


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SubjectRe: [dq] Language Rank Rules
FromNeil Davies
DateThu, 10 May 2007 14:40:33 +1200
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Yep.  I would vote for "Yes" myself.  It does make sense... in as much as
anything in DQ makes sense!

On 5/10/07, Stephen Martin <stephenm@aklnz.net> wrote:
>
> It looks like a case could be made either way.
> The impact and potential for abuse is fairly low.
>
> So I think we just need to make a call.  A quick show of hands at the next
> gods meeting.
>
> Meantime, run with whatever your current GM prefers.
>
> For what it's worth, my vote would be Yes!
> I agree with Michael's reasoning, and Spies need all the help they can
> get.
>
> Cheers, Stephen.
>
>
> Neil Davies wrote:
> > Question on Rules.
> >>
> >> Quote:
> >>   "A spy's enhanced memory gives them an effective understanding of any
> >> spoken language that they have at Ranks 0-3 as if one rank higher"
> >>
> >> Does this increase in effective rank stack with the "effective ranks"
> due
> >> to knowing a language in the same group or family?
> >>
> >> Example: You have an effective rank in Drow of 1 due to having Elvish
> at
> >> Rk 6 in the same family.  With Spy ranked, will this be Rk 2, or stay
> at Rk
> >> 1.
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >>
> >> Neil.
>
>
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Yep.&nbsp; I would vote for &quot;Yes&quot; myself.&nbsp; It does make sense... in as much as anything in DQ makes sense!<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/10/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Stephen Martin</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:stephenm@aklnz.net">
stephenm@aklnz.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">It looks like a case could be made either way.<br>The impact and potential for abuse is fairly low.
<br><br>So I think we just need to make a call.&nbsp;&nbsp;A quick show of hands at the next gods meeting.<br><br>Meantime, run with whatever your current GM prefers.<br><br>For what it&#39;s worth, my vote would be Yes!<br>I agree with Michael&#39;s reasoning, and Spies need all the help they can get.
<br><br>Cheers, Stephen.<br><br><br>Neil Davies wrote:<br>&gt; Question on Rules.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Quote:<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;A spy&#39;s enhanced memory gives them an effective understanding of any<br>&gt;&gt; spoken language that they have at Ranks 0-3 as if one rank higher&quot;
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<br>&gt;&gt; Rk 6 in the same family.&nbsp;&nbsp;With Spy ranked, will this be Rk 2, or stay at Rk<br>&gt;&gt; 1.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Cheers!<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Neil.<br><br><br>-- to unsubscribe notify mailto:<a href="mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz">
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Subject[dq] Thief Playtest?
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What is the current status of Thief 2.03? I know that other skills where
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I know that Mandos (and others) worked on Thief 2.03 and I know that it
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SubjectRe: [dq] Thief Playtest?
FromErrol Cavit
DateThu, 10 May 2007 16:52:26 +1200
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I believe it is currently without a champion (at least partially due to
Mandos having acquired more of a family).
 
I don't know if anyone is currently playtesting a 2.0x version
 
Cheers
Errol

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From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
Jonathan Bean
Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:24
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq] Thief Playtest?



Hi all,

 

What is the current status of Thief 2.03? I know that other skills where
being looked at - at the same time as Thief and have made it into general
play.

 

I know that Mandos (and others) worked on Thief 2.03 and I know that it was
rejected at a gods meeting for going from play test to full release.

Is it still in play test? Who is championing Thief 2.03 currently?

 

Kind regards,

Jonathan Bean
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believe it is currently without a champion (at least partially due to Mandos 
having acquired more of a family).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=15452504-10052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=15452504-10052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I don't 
know if anyone is currently playtesting a 2.0x version</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=15452504-10052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=15452504-10052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=15452504-10052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Errol</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz 
  [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Jonathan 
  Bean<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:24<BR><B>To:</B> 
  dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> [dq] Thief Playtest?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=Section1>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi 
  all,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What is the current 
  status of Thief 2.03? I know that other skills where being looked at - at the 
  same time as Thief and have made it into general 
  play.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I know that Mandos 
  (and others) worked on Thief 2.03 and I know that it was rejected at a gods 
  meeting for going from play test to full release.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is it still in play 
  test? Who is championing Thief 2.03 currently?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Kind 
  regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal 
  style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"><st1:PersonName 
  w:st="on"><STRONG><B><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=#52717f size=3><SPAN 
  lang=EN-NZ 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #52717f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'">Jonathan 
  Bean</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG></st1:PersonName><FONT color=navy><SPAN 
  lang=EN-NZ style="COLOR: navy"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana 
  color=#52717f size=1><SPAN lang=EN-NZ 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: #52717f; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Sales 
  Executive</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: navy"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Thief Playtest?
FromRPer 4eva
DateThu, 10 May 2007 17:57:09 +1200
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I have a character with the proposed thief and spy. This was due to a
mistake where I believed they were available. I could provide some feedback
if it helps. I'm still relativly low ranked in it though.
Dylan


On 5/10/07, Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz> wrote:
>
>  I believe it is currently without a champion (at least partially due to
> Mandos having acquired more of a family).
>
> I don't know if anyone is currently playtesting a 2.0x version
>
> Cheers
> Errol
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]*On Behalf Of*Jonathan Bean
> *Sent:* Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:24
> *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> *Subject:* [dq] Thief Playtest?
>
>  Hi all,
>
>
>
> What is the current status of Thief 2.03? I know that other skills where
> being looked at - at the same time as Thief and have made it into general
> play.
>
>
>
> I know that Mandos (and others) worked on Thief 2.03 and I know that it
> was rejected at a gods meeting for going from play test to full release.
>
> Is it still in play test? Who is championing Thief 2.03 currently?
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> *Jonathan Bean*
> Sales Executive
>
>

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<div>I have a character with the proposed thief and spy. This was due to a mistake where I believed they were available. I could provide some feedback if it helps. I&#39;m still relativly low ranked in it though.</div>
<div>Dylan<br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/10/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Errol Cavit</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:ecavit@tollnz.co.nz">ecavit@tollnz.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
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<div lang="EN-US" vlink="blue" link="blue">
<div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">I believe it is currently without a champion (at least partially due to Mandos having acquired more of a family).</font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">I don&#39;t know if anyone is currently playtesting a 2.0x version</font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Cheers</font></span></div><span class="sg">
<div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Errol</font></span></div></span><span class="q">
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<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target="_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>
 [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target="_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>]<b>On Behalf Of</b> Jonathan Bean<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:24
<br><b>To:</b> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz" target="_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [dq] Thief Playtest?<br><br></font></div>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi all,</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What is the current status of Thief 2.03? I know that other skills where being looked at - at the same time as Thief and have made it into general play.
</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I know that Mandos (and others) worked on Thief 2.03 and I know that it was rejected at a gods meeting for going from play test to full release.
</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is it still in play test? Who is championing Thief 2.03 currently?</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<div>
<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Kind regards,</span></font></p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><strong><b><font face="Trebuchet MS" color="#52717f" size="3"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #52717f">Jonathan Bean</span></font></b></strong><font color="navy"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="COLOR: navy">
<br></span></font><font face="Verdana" color="#52717f" size="1"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: #52717f; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Sales Executive</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="COLOR: navy"></span>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Language Rank Rules
From
DateThu, 10 May 2007 18:35:47 +1200
given that Michael wrote the language rules, I would take his opinion as a good basis. Not sure a formal vote is needed, as this is not a magical effect and so the default is that all bonuses stack.

Ian

---- Michael Parkinson <m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz> wrote: 
> I'd say yes.  Especially because may be presumed to be from different
> advantages...
> 
> The spy "effective understanding" bonus reflects the fact that the spy
> picks up on things other than the actual words of the language --the
> gestures, body language; sighs, sniffs, whatever -- and can even draw a
> speaker out by the right non-verbal, semi-verbal or other cues ...
> rather than explicit questions.
> For example: the right tone of "No!", or "Wow", or "Huh?" or correct
> facial expression can draw a speaker on much more effectively than the
> more blunt question "What did you see happen next?"
> 
> The Group & Family bonuses reflect the functional & structural
> similarities -- which is an additional bonus, regardless of any other
> skills.
> 
> regards,
> Michael Parkinson
> ==============From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
> Neil Davies
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:42 AM
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: [dq] Language Rank Rules
> 
> Question on Rules.
> 	
> Quote:
> "A spy's enhanced memory gives them an effective understanding of any
> spoken language that they have at Ranks 0-3 as if one rank higher"
> 	
> Does this increase in effective rank stack with the "effective ranks"
> due to knowing a language in the same group or family?
> 	
> Example: You have an effective rank in Drow of 1 due to having Elvish at
> Rk 6 in the same family.  With Spy ranked, will this be Rk 2, or stay at
> Rk 1.
> 	
> Cheers!  Neil.
> 
> 
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