Messages for 14 June 2007

Subject	[dq] Beastmastery questions
From	Menolly
Date	Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:23:18 +1200
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7AE7E.CACB9380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I hope someone on here can help me. I'm trying to find out how training an animals works and what training an animal will do for the animal. Part One In the book it says "A beast master must spend (12-rank) months to train an animal" and then has some modifiers. I'm just checking I am reading this right. Take Menolly, rank 2 in beast master. She is training Briar, a dog. So it's 10 months x modifiers. Being easily domesticated is x 0.5 and being raised by Menolly is also x 0.5. It then says the unmodified months number is multiplied by all applicable modifiers. Do I add the modifiers together to get x 1 (getting 10 months), or do I times the 10 months by .5 and then again by .5 (getting 2.5 months) It doesn't say if modifiers are added or done separately. Part Two If Menolly spends this time (10months or 2.5 months) training Briar, what does it actually do for Briar? I haven't found any guidelines. There is a mention that a loyalty check uses a rank. But how does the ranking work? Does spending 1 whole time set of training give the animal rank 0? If I want to make it rank 1 do I have to spend the same time slot again, and so on up the ranks. Is there a limit on how many ranks an animal can have? And do these ranks confer any other skills, checks etc. Does an animal have to have "generic" ranks in "Trained" to learn other specific skills? Part Three Wardogs have the weapon bite which according to the bestiary can have ranks. The bestiary describes wardogs as a specific animal. Can other animals be trained as "war" animals? Or is it just horses and dogs? Would the trainer need ranks in Bite/kick/unarmed to teach it or does the beastmaster specialization include the ability to teach animal behavioural related skills? Would this "war/weapon" training go like normal weapons, 1 week to rank 0 and then x 2 weeks per rank you are achieving? Or by the beastmaster training time mentioned above? Thoughts And are there any other skills that can be taught to animals? Tracking, hunting, carrying messages, flying? I'm just thinking dogs atm but is there a limit on what specifically can/cannot be taught? (monkeys-reading+writing, birds-cartography, rabbits-unarmed-claw :-) ) Would that depend on the trainer, what's being trained and what the animals already know? ? Regards, Karen ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7AE7E.CACB9380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions / @font-face {font-family:Wingdings; panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} / Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} p {mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0cm; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0cm; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:792.0pt 612.0pt; margin:89.85pt 72.0pt 89.85pt 72.0pt;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> </head> <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dblue> <div class=3DSection1> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi = all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I hope someone on here can help me. = I’m trying to find out how training an animals works and what training an = animal will do for the animal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Part = One<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In the book it says “A beast = master must spend (12-rank) months to train an animal” and then has some modifiers. I’m just checking I am reading this right. Take = Menolly, rank 2 in beast master. She is training Briar, a dog. So it’s 10 months = x modifiers. Being easily domesticated is x 0.5 and being raised by Menolly is also x = 0.5. It then says the unmodified months number is multiplied by all applicable modifiers. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Do I add the modifiers together to = get x 1 (getting 10 months), or do I times the 10 months by .5 and then again by = .5 (getting 2.5 months) It doesn’t say if modifiers are added or done separately.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Part = Two<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If Menolly spends this time = (10months or 2.5 months) training Briar, what does it actually do for Briar? I = haven’t found any guidelines. There is a mention that a loyalty check uses a = rank. But how does the ranking work?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Does spending 1 whole time set of = training give the animal rank 0? If I want to make it rank 1 do I have to spend = the same time slot again, and so on up the ranks. Is there a limit on how many = ranks an animal can have?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And do these ranks confer any other skills, checks etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Does an animal have to have = “generic” ranks in “Trained” to learn other specific = skills?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Part = Three<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Wardogs have the weapon bite which according to the bestiary can have ranks. The bestiary describes wardogs = as a specific animal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Can other animals be trained as = “war” animals? Or is it just horses and dogs?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Would the trainer need ranks in = Bite/kick/unarmed to teach it or does the beastmaster specialization include the ability = to teach animal behavioural related skills? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Would this “war/weapon” training go like normal weapons, 1 week to rank 0 and then x 2 weeks per = rank you are achieving? Or by the beastmaster training time mentioned = above?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thoughts<o:p></o:p></span></font></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And are there any other skills that = can be taught to animals? Tracking, hunting, carrying messages, flying? = I’m just thinking dogs atm but is there a limit on what specifically can/cannot = be taught? (monkeys-reading+writing, birds-cartography, = rabbits-unarmed-claw </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DWingdings><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family: Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> )  Would = that depend on the trainer, what’s being trained and what the animals = already know?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Karen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </body> </html> ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7AE7E.CACB9380-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Beastmastery questions
From	Kelsie McArthur
Date	Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:45:54 +1200
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C7AE81.F28B0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THe skill is completely useless as written. It's cheaper to buy a trained animal than train it yourself. All the problems you mentioned and more. It needs a complete rewrite, which I consider doing every time I play the character I'm playing this season, so I'll be looking at it again Kelsie _____ From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Menolly Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2007 12:23 p.m. To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: [dq] Beastmastery questions Hi all, I hope someone on here can help me. I'm trying to find out how training an animals works and what training an animal will do for the animal. Part One In the book it says "A beast master must spend (12-rank) months to train an animal" and then has some modifiers. I'm just checking I am reading this right. Take Menolly, rank 2 in beast master. She is training Briar, a dog. So it's 10 months x modifiers. Being easily domesticated is x 0.5 and being raised by Menolly is also x 0.5. It then says the unmodified months number is multiplied by all applicable modifiers. Do I add the modifiers together to get x 1 (getting 10 months), or do I times the 10 months by .5 and then again by .5 (getting 2.5 months) It doesn't say if modifiers are added or done separately. Part Two If Menolly spends this time (10months or 2.5 months) training Briar, what does it actually do for Briar? I haven't found any guidelines. There is a mention that a loyalty check uses a rank. But how does the ranking work? Does spending 1 whole time set of training give the animal rank 0? If I want to make it rank 1 do I have to spend the same time slot again, and so on up the ranks. Is there a limit on how many ranks an animal can have? And do these ranks confer any other skills, checks etc. Does an animal have to have "generic" ranks in "Trained" to learn other specific skills? Part Three Wardogs have the weapon bite which according to the bestiary can have ranks. The bestiary describes wardogs as a specific animal. Can other animals be trained as "war" animals? Or is it just horses and dogs? Would the trainer need ranks in Bite/kick/unarmed to teach it or does the beastmaster specialization include the ability to teach animal behavioural related skills? Would this "war/weapon" training go like normal weapons, 1 week to rank 0 and then x 2 weeks per rank you are achieving? Or by the beastmaster training time mentioned above? Thoughts And are there any other skills that can be taught to animals? Tracking, hunting, carrying messages, flying? I'm just thinking dogs atm but is there a limit on what specifically can/cannot be taught? (monkeys-reading+writing, birds-cartography, rabbits-unarmed-claw :-) ) Would that depend on the trainer, what's being trained and what the animals already know? ? Regards, Karen ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C7AE81.F28B0600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:o =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.3086" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Wingdings; } @page Section1 {size: 792.0pt 612.0pt; margin: 89.85pt 72.0pt 89.85pt = 72.0pt; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; FONT-FAMILY: = "Times New Roman"; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto } SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-reply } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=3DEN-US vLink=3Dblue link=3Dblue> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843483800-14062007><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>THe skill is completely useless as=20 written.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843483800-14062007><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843483800-14062007><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>It's cheaper to buy a trained animal than train = it=20 yourself.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843483800-14062007><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843483800-14062007><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>All the problems you mentioned and=20 more.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843483800-14062007><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843483800-14062007><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>It needs a complete rewrite, which I consider = doing every=20 time I play the character I'm playing this season, so I'll be looking at = it=20 again</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843483800-14062007><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843483800-14062007><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Kelsie</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft> <HR tabIndex=3D-1> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz=20 [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <B>On Behalf Of = </B>Menolly<BR><B>Sent:</B>=20 Thursday, 14 June 2007 12:23 p.m.<BR><B>To:</B>=20 dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> [dq] Beastmastery=20 questions<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=3DSection1> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi=20 all,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I hope = someone on=20 here can help me. I’m trying to find out how training an animals = works and=20 what training an animal will do for the = animal.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Part=20 One<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In the book = it says=20 “A beast master must spend (12-rank) months to train an = animal” and then has=20 some modifiers. I’m just checking I am reading this right. Take = Menolly, rank=20 2 in beast master. She is training Briar, a dog. So it’s 10 = months x=20 modifiers. Being easily domesticated is x 0.5 and being raised by = Menolly is=20 also x 0.5. It then says the unmodified months number is multiplied by = all=20 applicable modifiers. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Do I add = the=20 modifiers together to get x 1 (getting 10 months), or do I times the = 10 months=20 by .5 and then again by .5 (getting 2.5 months) It doesn’t say = if modifiers=20 are added or done separately.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Part=20 Two<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If Menolly = spends=20 this time (10months or 2.5 months) training Briar, what does it = actually do=20 for Briar? I haven’t found any guidelines. There is a mention = that a loyalty=20 check uses a rank. But how does the ranking = work?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Does = spending 1 whole=20 time set of training give the animal rank 0? If I want to make it rank = 1 do I=20 have to spend the same time slot again, and so on up the ranks. Is = there a=20 limit on how many ranks an animal can = have?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And do = these ranks=20 confer any other skills, checks etc.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Does an = animal have=20 to have “generic” ranks in “Trained” to learn = other specific=20 skills?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Part=20 Three<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wardogs = have the=20 weapon bite which according to the bestiary can have ranks. The = bestiary=20 describes wardogs as a specific animal.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Can other = animals be=20 trained as “war” animals? Or is it just horses and=20 dogs?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Would the = trainer=20 need ranks in Bite/kick/unarmed to teach it or does the beastmaster=20 specialization include the ability to teach animal behavioural related = skills?=20 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Would this=20 “war/weapon” training go like normal weapons, 1 week to = rank 0 and then x 2=20 weeks per rank you are achieving? Or by the beastmaster training time=20 mentioned above?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Thoughts<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And are = there any=20 other skills that can be taught to animals? Tracking, hunting, = carrying=20 messages, flying? I’m just thinking dogs atm but is there a = limit on what=20 specifically can/cannot be taught? (monkeys-reading+writing,=20 birds-cartography, rabbits-unarmed-claw </SPAN></FONT><FONT = face=3DWingdings=20 color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20 face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> )  = Would that=20 depend on the trainer, what’s being trained and what the animals = already=20 know?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Karen<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML= > ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C7AE81.F28B0600-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Beastmastery questions
From	Helen Saggers
Date	Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:15:01 +1200
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C7AE8E.65A15750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree the skill is as written is poorly defined. Presumably a domesticated horse can be ridden or will pull a cart or = plow, a dog is house broken and obeys basic commands, and a falcon = returns to the grove.=20 Other than defining a base chance for getting it to do something = unnatural like walk though a flaming doorway, what does training get = you? As keeping control of your horse in combat is covered in Horsemanship, = what do you get for your extra time ep and sp?=20 When you train your horse or dog is the only benefit an animal that's = less likely to stray... A bit of rope is cheaper and easier. I think that part of the reason this only comes up occasionally is that = most animals either come with a full "its trained to" write up from the = GM, is governed by the Wicca familiars rules, is sentient or a = combination of these. And that most other beastmasters have the skill as I do with Thorn, as a = non adventuring skill that backs up the claim that she trains warhorses = for her own and others use. Helen ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kelsie McArthur=20 To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz=20 Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [dq] Beastmastery questions THe skill is completely useless as written. It's cheaper to buy a trained animal than train it yourself. All the problems you mentioned and more. It needs a complete rewrite, which I consider doing every time I play = the character I'm playing this season, so I'll be looking at it again Kelsie ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C7AE8E.65A15750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:o =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1593" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Wingdings; } @page Section1 {size: 792.0pt 612.0pt; margin: 89.85pt 72.0pt 89.85pt = 72.0pt; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; FONT-FAMILY: = "Times New Roman"; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto } SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-reply } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=3DEN-US vLink=3Dblue link=3Dblue bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I agree the skill is as written is = poorly=20 defined.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Presumably a domesticated horse can be = ridden or=20 will pull a cart or plow, a dog is house broken and obeys basic = commands, and a=20 falcon returns to the grove. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Other than defining a base chance for = getting it to=20 do something unnatural like walk though a flaming doorway, what does = training=20 get you?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As keeping control of your horse in = combat is=20 covered in Horsemanship, what do you get for your extra time ep and sp?=20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When you train your horse or dog is the = only=20 benefit an animal that's less likely to stray... A bit of rope is = cheaper and=20 easier.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think that part of the reason this = only comes up=20 occasionally is that most animals either come with a full "its = trained to"=20 write up from the GM, is governed by the Wicca familiars rules, is = sentient or a=20 combination of these.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And that most other beastmasters = have the=20 skill as I do with Thorn, as a non adventuring skill that backs up = the=20 claim that she trains warhorses for her own and others use.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Helen</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dkelsie@orcon.net.nz = href=3D"mailto:kelsie@orcon.net.nz">Kelsie=20 McArthur</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Ddq@dq.sf.org.nz=20 href=3D"mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 14, 2007 = 12:45=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Beastmastery=20 questions</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843483800-14062007><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>THe skill is completely useless as=20 written.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843483800-14062007><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843483800-14062007><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>It's cheaper to buy a trained animal than = train it=20 yourself.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843483800-14062007><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843483800-14062007><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>All the problems you mentioned and=20 more.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843483800-14062007><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843483800-14062007><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>It needs a complete rewrite, which I consider = doing every=20 time I play the character I'm playing this season, so I'll be looking = at it=20 again</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843483800-14062007><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D843483800-14062007><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Kelsie</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C7AE8E.65A15750-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Beastmastery questions
From	Helen Saggers
Date	Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:41:24 +1200
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B3_01C7AE92.14E6B270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry I think I left a line off this at the end. it should read. This reliance on GM write-ups or mainly between adventuring use of = Beastmaster is probably a direct result of how poorly defined and = un-adventuring friendly the skill as written is. Helen ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Helen Saggers=20 To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz=20 Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [dq] Beastmastery questions I agree the skill is as written is poorly defined. Presumably a domesticated horse can be ridden or will pull a cart or = plow, a dog is house broken and obeys basic commands, and a falcon = returns to the grove.=20 Other than defining a base chance for getting it to do something = unnatural like walk though a flaming doorway, what does training get = you? As keeping control of your horse in combat is covered in Horsemanship, = what do you get for your extra time ep and sp?=20 When you train your horse or dog is the only benefit an animal that's = less likely to stray... A bit of rope is cheaper and easier. I think that part of the reason this only comes up occasionally is = that most animals either come with a full "its trained to" write up from = the GM, is governed by the Wicca familiars rules, is sentient or a = combination of these. And that most other beastmasters have the skill as I do with Thorn, as = a non adventuring skill that backs up the claim that she trains = warhorses for her own and others use. Helen ------=_NextPart_000_00B3_01C7AE92.14E6B270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:o =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1593" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Wingdings; } @page Section1 {size: 792.0pt 612.0pt; margin: 89.85pt 72.0pt 89.85pt = 72.0pt; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; FONT-FAMILY: = "Times New Roman"; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto } SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-reply } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=3DEN-US vLink=3Dblue link=3Dblue bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry I think I left a line off this at = the end. it=20 should read.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This reliance on GM write-ups or = mainly=20 between adventuring use of  Beastmaster is probably a direct result = of how=20 poorly defined and un-adventuring friendly the skill as written = is.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Helen</FONT></DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dhelen@owbn.net.nz href=3D"mailto:helen@owbn.net.nz">Helen = Saggers</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Ddq@dq.sf.org.nz=20 href=3D"mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 14, 2007 = 2:15=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Beastmastery=20 questions</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I agree the skill is as written is = poorly=20 defined.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Presumably a domesticated horse can = be ridden or=20 will pull a cart or plow, a dog is house broken and obeys basic = commands, and=20 a falcon returns to the grove. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Other than defining a base chance for = getting it=20 to do something unnatural like walk though a flaming doorway, what = does=20 training get you?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As keeping control of your horse in = combat is=20 covered in Horsemanship, what do you get for your extra time ep and = sp?=20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When you train your horse or dog is = the only=20 benefit an animal that's less likely to stray... A bit of rope is = cheaper and=20 easier.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think that part of the reason this = only comes=20 up occasionally is that most animals either come with a full "its = trained=20 to" write up from the GM, is governed by the Wicca familiars rules, is = sentient or a combination of these.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And that most other beastmasters = have the=20 skill as I do with Thorn, as a non adventuring skill that backs = up the=20 claim that she trains warhorses for her own and others = use.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Helen</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_00B3_01C7AE92.14E6B270-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Beastmastery questions
From	Andrew Withy
Date	Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:24:47 +1200
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7AEA8.E8290690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karen, I agree in general with the other posters. However, in your specific situation: (1) 2.5 months. All time multipliers multiply. (2) This gives you a dog trained in basic "Dog"-type commands. The dog doesn't have a rank in being trained. (3) This training that you give may convey some ranks in appropriate skills - probably basic combat skills for a war dog, or ranger-tracking for a blood hound, etc. There are no ranks or guidelines for this - see a sane GM. (4) Animals can only learn animal-type skills. E.g. Monkeys can't write, Birds can't draw maps, Rabbits can't learn pit-fighting (Hares can learn boxing, except they still bite & kick when the ref's distracted). If there aren't records of animals learning a skill, then they probably can't, but that's another reason why you run weird/wacky ideas past another GM. (5) When you are GMing, if you want a monkey that can write because it helps your plot, and it doesn't break the flavour of your game, you can do it. All above restrictions are guidelines for player expectations, not hard rules for what GMs can do or give out (have you seen the broken pets some GMs have given out.) Andrew _____ From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Menolly Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2007 12:23 p.m. To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: [dq] Beastmastery questions Hi all, I hope someone on here can help me. I'm trying to find out how training an animals works and what training an animal will do for the animal. Part One In the book it says "A beast master must spend (12-rank) months to train an animal" and then has some modifiers. I'm just checking I am reading this right. Take Menolly, rank 2 in beast master. She is training Briar, a dog. So it's 10 months x modifiers. Being easily domesticated is x 0.5 and being raised by Menolly is also x 0.5. It then says the unmodified months number is multiplied by all applicable modifiers. Do I add the modifiers together to get x 1 (getting 10 months), or do I times the 10 months by .5 and then again by .5 (getting 2.5 months) It doesn't say if modifiers are added or done separately. Part Two If Menolly spends this time (10months or 2.5 months) training Briar, what does it actually do for Briar? I haven't found any guidelines. There is a mention that a loyalty check uses a rank. But how does the ranking work? Does spending 1 whole time set of training give the animal rank 0? If I want to make it rank 1 do I have to spend the same time slot again, and so on up the ranks. Is there a limit on how many ranks an animal can have? And do these ranks confer any other skills, checks etc. Does an animal have to have "generic" ranks in "Trained" to learn other specific skills? Part Three Wardogs have the weapon bite which according to the bestiary can have ranks. The bestiary describes wardogs as a specific animal. Can other animals be trained as "war" animals? Or is it just horses and dogs? Would the trainer need ranks in Bite/kick/unarmed to teach it or does the beastmaster specialization include the ability to teach animal behavioural related skills? Would this "war/weapon" training go like normal weapons, 1 week to rank 0 and then x 2 weeks per rank you are achieving? Or by the beastmaster training time mentioned above? Thoughts And are there any other skills that can be taught to animals? Tracking, hunting, carrying messages, flying? I'm just thinking dogs atm but is there a limit on what specifically can/cannot be taught? (monkeys-reading+writing, birds-cartography, rabbits-unarmed-claw :-) ) Would that depend on the trainer, what's being trained and what the animals already know? ? Regards, Karen ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7AEA8.E8290690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions / @font-face {font-family:Wingdings; panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} / Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} p {mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0cm; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0cm; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal; font-family:Arial; color:navy;} span.EmailStyle19 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:792.0pt 612.0pt; margin:89.85pt 72.0pt 89.85pt 72.0pt;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> </head> <body lang=3DEN-GB link=3Dblue vlink=3Dblue> <div class=3DSection1> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Karen,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree in general  with the = other posters. However, in your specific = situation:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>(1) 2.5 months. All time = multipliers multiply.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>(2) This gives you a dog trained in = basic “Dog”-type commands. The dog doesn’t have a rank in being = trained.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>(3) This training that you give may = convey some ranks in appropriate skills – probably basic combat skills = for a war dog, or ranger-tracking for a blood hound, etc. There are no ranks or guidelines for this – see a sane GM.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>(4) Animals can only learn = animal-type skills. E.g. Monkeys can’t write, Birds can’t draw maps, = Rabbits can’t learn pit-fighting (Hares can learn boxing, except they = still bite & kick when the ref’s distracted). If there aren’t = records of animals learning a skill, then they probably can’t, but = that’s another reason why you run weird/wacky ideas past another = GM.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>(5) When you are GMing, if you want = a monkey that can write because it helps your plot, and it doesn’t = break the flavour of your game, you can do it. All above restrictions are = guidelines for player expectations, not hard rules for what GMs can do or give out = (have you seen the broken pets some GMs have given = out…)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font = size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1> </span></font></div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</spa= n></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b><span = style=3D'font-weight: bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Menolly<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 14 June = 2007 12:23 p.m.<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [dq] = Beastmastery questions</span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi = all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I hope someone = on here can help me. I’m trying to find out how training an animals works = and what training an animal will do for the = animal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Part = One<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In the book it = says “A beast master must spend (12-rank) months to train an = animal” and then has some modifiers. I’m just checking I am reading this = right. Take Menolly, rank 2 in beast master. She is training Briar, a dog. So = it’s 10 months x modifiers. Being easily domesticated is x 0.5 and being raised = by Menolly is also x 0.5. It then says the unmodified months number is = multiplied by all applicable modifiers. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Do I add the = modifiers together to get x 1 (getting 10 months), or do I times the 10 months by = .5 and then again by .5 (getting 2.5 months) It doesn’t say if modifiers = are added or done separately.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Part = Two<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If Menolly = spends this time (10months or 2.5 months) training Briar, what does it actually do = for Briar? I haven’t found any guidelines. There is a mention that a = loyalty check uses a rank. But how does the ranking = work?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Does spending 1 = whole time set of training give the animal rank 0? If I want to make it rank 1 = do I have to spend the same time slot again, and so on up the ranks. Is there = a limit on how many ranks an animal can have?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And do these = ranks confer any other skills, checks etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Does an animal = have to have “generic” ranks in “Trained” to learn other specific skills?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Part = Three<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Wardogs have the = weapon bite which according to the bestiary can have ranks. The bestiary = describes wardogs as a specific animal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Can other = animals be trained as “war” animals? Or is it just horses and = dogs?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Would the = trainer need ranks in Bite/kick/unarmed to teach it or does the beastmaster = specialization include the ability to teach animal behavioural related skills? = <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Would this = “war/weapon” training go like normal weapons, 1 week to rank 0 and then x 2 weeks per = rank you are achieving? Or by the beastmaster training time mentioned = above?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thoughts<o:p></o:= p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And are there = any other skills that can be taught to animals? Tracking, hunting, carrying = messages, flying? I’m just thinking dogs atm but is there a limit on what specifically can/cannot be taught? (monkeys-reading+writing, = birds-cartography, rabbits-unarmed-claw </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy = face=3DWingdings><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></fon= t><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:navy'> )  Would that depend on the trainer, what’s being trained and what the animals already = know?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>?<o:p></o:p></spa= n></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:= p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Karen<o:p></o:p><= /span></font></p> </div> </body> </html> ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7AEA8.E8290690-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --

Subject	Re: [dq] Beastmastery questions
From	Menolly
Date	Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:29:45 +1200
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C7AEDB.E50B1C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On second reading, I was reading the loyalty formula as rank of animal, not rank of beastmaster, which changes some of my questions. Lots to think about. Hmm, would anyone mind if I try to put something together for when you train dogs? And especially what you can teach them to do? In levels of how much training is needed to teach what skill and such like? I would really like to play Menolly as a beastmaster who has animal companions that are always with her, that can do useful stuff, not someone who just has pets that get in the road and have to be left behind all the time. she doesn't like leaving her babies behind. Regards, Karen _____ From: Andrew Withy Karen, I agree in general with the other posters. However, in your specific situation: (1) 2.5 months. All time multipliers multiply. (2) This gives you a dog trained in basic "Dog"-type commands. The dog doesn't have a rank in being trained. (3) This training that you give may convey some ranks in appropriate skills - probably basic combat skills for a war dog, or ranger-tracking for a blood hound, etc. There are no ranks or guidelines for this - see a sane GM. (4) Animals can only learn animal-type skills. E.g. Monkeys can't write, Birds can't draw maps, Rabbits can't learn pit-fighting (Hares can learn boxing, except they still bite & kick when the ref's distracted). If there aren't records of animals learning a skill, then they probably can't, but that's another reason why you run weird/wacky ideas past another GM. (5) When you are GMing, if you want a monkey that can write because it helps your plot, and it doesn't break the flavour of your game, you can do it. All above restrictions are guidelines for player expectations, not hard rules for what GMs can do or give out (have you seen the broken pets some GMs have given out.) Andrew _____ From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Menolly Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2007 12:23 p.m. To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: [dq] Beastmastery questions Hi all, I hope someone on here can help me. I'm trying to find out how training an animals works and what training an animal will do for the animal. Part One In the book it says "A beast master must spend (12-rank) months to train an animal" and then has some modifiers. I'm just checking I am reading this right. Take Menolly, rank 2 in beast master. She is training Briar, a dog. So it's 10 months x modifiers. Being easily domesticated is x 0.5 and being raised by Menolly is also x 0.5. It then says the unmodified months number is multiplied by all applicable modifiers. Do I add the modifiers together to get x 1 (getting 10 months), or do I times the 10 months by .5 and then again by .5 (getting 2.5 months) It doesn't say if modifiers are added or done separately. Part Two If Menolly spends this time (10months or 2.5 months) training Briar, what does it actually do for Briar? I haven't found any guidelines. There is a mention that a loyalty check uses a rank. But how does the ranking work? Does spending 1 whole time set of training give the animal rank 0? If I want to make it rank 1 do I have to spend the same time slot again, and so on up the ranks. Is there a limit on how many ranks an animal can have? And do these ranks confer any other skills, checks etc. Does an animal have to have "generic" ranks in "Trained" to learn other specific skills? Part Three Wardogs have the weapon bite which according to the bestiary can have ranks. The bestiary describes wardogs as a specific animal. Can other animals be trained as "war" animals? Or is it just horses and dogs? Would the trainer need ranks in Bite/kick/unarmed to teach it or does the beastmaster specialization include the ability to teach animal behavioural related skills? Would this "war/weapon" training go like normal weapons, 1 week to rank 0 and then x 2 weeks per rank you are achieving? Or by the beastmaster training time mentioned above? Thoughts And are there any other skills that can be taught to animals? Tracking, hunting, carrying messages, flying? I'm just thinking dogs atm but is there a limit on what specifically can/cannot be taught? (monkeys-reading+writing, birds-cartography, rabbits-unarmed-claw :-) ) Would that depend on the trainer, what's being trained and what the animals already know? ? Regards, Karen ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C7AEDB.E50B1C90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions / @font-face {font-family:Wingdings; panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} / Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} p {mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0cm; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0cm; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal; font-family:Arial; color:navy;} span.EmailStyle19 {mso-style-type:personal; font-family:Arial; color:navy;} span.EmailStyle20 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:792.0pt 612.0pt; margin:89.85pt 72.0pt 89.85pt 72.0pt;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> </head> <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dblue> <div class=3DSection1> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>On second reading, I was reading = the loyalty formula as rank of animal, not rank of beastmaster, which = changes some of my questions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Lots to think = about…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hmm, would anyone mind if I try to = put something together for when you train dogs? And especially what you can = teach them to do? In levels of how much training is needed to teach what skill = and such like? I would really like to play Menolly as a beastmaster who has = animal companions that are always with her, that can do useful stuff, not = someone who just has pets that get in the road and have to be left behind all the = time… she doesn’t like leaving her babies = behind…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Karen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font = size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1> </span></font></div> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font = size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> = Andrew Withy<br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Karen,<o:p></o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree in = general  with the other posters. However, in your specific = situation:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>(1) 2.5 months. = All time multipliers multiply.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>(2) This gives = you a dog trained in basic “Dog”-type commands. The dog doesn’t = have a rank in being trained.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>(3) This = training that you give may convey some ranks in appropriate skills – probably = basic combat skills for a war dog, or ranger-tracking for a blood hound, etc. = There are no ranks or guidelines for this – see a sane = GM.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>(4) Animals can = only learn animal-type skills. E.g. Monkeys can’t write, Birds = can’t draw maps, Rabbits can’t learn pit-fighting (Hares can learn = boxing, except they still bite & kick when the ref’s distracted). If = there aren’t records of animals learning a skill, then they probably = can’t, but that’s another reason why you run weird/wacky ideas past = another GM.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>(5) When you are = GMing, if you want a monkey that can write because it helps your plot, and it doesn’t break the flavour of your game, you can do it. All above restrictions are guidelines for player expectations, not hard rules for = what GMs can do or give out (have you seen the broken pets some GMs have = given out…)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Andrew<o:p></o:p>= </span></font></p> <div> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font = size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1> </span></font></div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font = size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b><span = style=3D'font-weight: bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Menolly<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 14 June = 2007 12:23 p.m.<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [dq] = Beastmastery questions</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi = all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I hope someone on here can help me. I’m trying to find out how training an animals works and what = training an animal will do for the animal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Part = One<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In the book it says “A beast = master must spend (12-rank) months to train an animal” and then has some modifiers. I’m just checking I am reading this right. Take = Menolly, rank 2 in beast master. She is training Briar, a dog. So it’s 10 months = x modifiers. Being easily domesticated is x 0.5 and being raised by = Menolly is also x 0.5. It then says the unmodified months number is multiplied by = all applicable modifiers. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Do I add the modifiers together to = get x 1 (getting 10 months), or do I times the 10 months by .5 and then again by = .5 (getting 2.5 months) It doesn’t say if modifiers are added or done separately.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Part = Two<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If Menolly spends this time = (10months or 2.5 months) training Briar, what does it actually do for Briar? I = haven’t found any guidelines. There is a mention that a loyalty check uses a = rank. But how does the ranking work?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Does spending 1 whole time set of = training give the animal rank 0? If I want to make it rank 1 do I have to spend = the same time slot again, and so on up the ranks. Is there a limit on how many = ranks an animal can have?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And do these ranks confer any other skills, checks etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Does an animal have to have “generic” ranks in “Trained” to learn other = specific skills?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Part = Three<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Wardogs have the weapon bite which according to the bestiary can have ranks. The bestiary describes wardogs = as a specific animal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Can other animals be trained as “war” animals? Or is it just horses and = dogs?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Would the trainer need ranks in Bite/kick/unarmed to teach it or does the beastmaster specialization = include the ability to teach animal behavioural related skills? = <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Would this “war/weapon” training go like normal weapons, 1 week to rank 0 and then x 2 weeks per = rank you are achieving? Or by the beastmaster training time mentioned = above?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thoughts<o:p></o:p></span></font></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And are there any other skills that = can be taught to animals? Tracking, hunting, carrying messages, flying? = I’m just thinking dogs atm but is there a limit on what specifically can/cannot = be taught? (monkeys-reading+writing, birds-cartography, = rabbits-unarmed-claw </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DWingdings><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family: Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> )  Would = that depend on the trainer, what’s being trained and what the animals = already know?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Karen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </body> </html> ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C7AEDB.E50B1C90-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz --