SubjectRe: [dq] Racial Modifiers - (Retrospective)
FromJohanna and Hamish
DateFri, 7 Sep 2007 08:28:11 +1200
Stephen said:

Hamish, do you support making it retrospective?
Do you have reasons to back it up that outweigh the issues raised against
this idea?


Nope - I do not support being retro - Sorry I was not aware that Jono had
removed it from his proposal.

Lets remove 4 then.

Hamish


Hamish wrote:

> 4: Do we make it retrospective?  Y/N

Jono had this as part of his original proposal but withdrew it after
discussion.

I ask because I see no point in having something on the agenda that nobody
actually wants and
nobody will vote for.

Cheers, Stephen.


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Subject[dq] Withdrawing from Close - rule change proposal
FromChris Caulfield
DateFri, 7 Sep 2007 08:45:20 +1200
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At present the rule for withdrawing from close states;



*Withdraw from Close*

A figure may attempt to Withdraw from Close Combat.

If they are successful, they may move one hex, but are still treated as
prone. A figure may withdraw from Close if a D10 roll plus any positive
difference in total Physical Strength between the friendly and hostile
figures in the hex is at least 10.



Withdraw from close combat (D10 + total friendly Physical Strength =96 tota=
l
hostile Physical strength) >10.



This rule only takes into account straight PS (physical strength).



So John at 20 PS is jumped by Bob with 21 PS who closes with him.   Now Joh=
n
cannot get out of close with Bob even if John rolls a 10 on a D10 as the
result would be 10+20-21 =3D 9, which is less than the 10 required.



This seems silly.    If John was a warrior skilled in fighting and or an
Unarmed combat expert he should get some benefit from these skills that are
useful in a fight =96 close or otherwise.



*So the proposal is =96 To change the calculation to be a D100 roll of 50% =
or
less with the following modifiers.*

*+/- 5% difference in PS*

*+/- 5% difference in Warrior*

*+/- 5% difference in Unarmed*



This would mean that John with 20 PS, Warrior 5 and Unarmed 4 vs. Bob with
21 PS, Warrior 2 and no Unarmed skill would have an 80% chance of getting
out of close.

This was calculated as 20-21 =3D -5%, Rank 5 Warrior vs 2 =3D +15% and Unar=
med
Rank 4 vs none =3D +20% for a total modifier of the roll of +30%.



This means that simple PS doesn't determine Close Combat leaving chances.

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an style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">At present the ru=
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an style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-fami=
ly: NimbusRomNo9L-Regu"><font face=3D"Garamond">A figure may attempt to Wit=
hdraw from Close Combat.</font></span></p>
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cm; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; BACKGROUND: white; PADDING-=
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ly: NimbusRomNo9L-Regu"><font face=3D"Garamond">If they are successful, the=
y may move one hex, but are still treated as prone. A figure may withdraw f=
rom Close if a D10 roll plus any positive difference in total Physical Stre=
ngth between the friendly and hostile figures in the hex is at least 10.
</font></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0=
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<font face=3D"Garamond"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: NimbusR=
omNo9L-Medi; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-family: NimbusRomNo9L-=
Medi">Withdraw from close combat </span><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT=
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(D10 + total friendly Physical Strength =96 total hostile Physical strength=
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Medi; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-family: NimbusRomNo9L-Medi"><=
/span>
</font></p></div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><sp=
an style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><sp=
an style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">This rule only ta=
kes into account straight PS (physical strength).</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><sp=
an style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><sp=
an style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">So John at 20 PS =
is jumped by Bob with 21 PS who closes with him.&nbsp;&nbsp; Now John canno=
t get out of close with Bob even if John rolls a 10 on a D10 as the result =
would be 10+20-21 =3D 9, which is less than the 10 required.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><sp=
an style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><sp=
an style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">This seems silly.=
<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></span>&nbsp; <span st=
yle=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">
If John was a warrior skilled in fighting and or an Unarmed combat expert h=
e should get some benefit from these skills that are useful in a fight =96 =
close or otherwise.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><sp=
an style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><b =
style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; m=
so-ansi-language: EN-GB">So the proposal is =96 To change the calculation t=
o be a D100 roll of 50% or less with the following modifiers.
</span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><b =
style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; m=
so-ansi-language: EN-GB">+/- 5% difference in PS</span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><b =
style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; m=
so-ansi-language: EN-GB">+/- 5% difference in Warrior</span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><b =
style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; m=
so-ansi-language: EN-GB">+/- 5% difference in Unarmed</span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><sp=
an style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><sp=
an style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">This would mean t=
hat John with 20 PS, Warrior 5 and Unarmed 4 vs. Bob with 21 PS, Warrior 2 =
and no Unarmed skill would have an 80% chance of getting out of close.
<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><sp=
an style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">This was calculat=
ed as 20-21 =3D -5%, Rank 5 Warrior vs 2 =3D +15% and Unarmed Rank 4 vs non=
e =3D +20% for a total modifier of the roll of +30%.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><sp=
an style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><sp=
an style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">This means that s=
imple PS doesn't determine Close Combat leaving chances.</span></p>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Withdrawing from Close - rule change proposal
FromErrol Cavit
DateFri, 7 Sep 2007 08:56:18 +1200 
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I read the current rule as a 10 is always successful. If the withdrawer has
_more_ PS, then they apply it as a modifier ("any positive difference").
 
Which is not to say that a formula that takes into account other factors
wouldn't likely be an improvement.
 
Shouldn't we playtest this for a couple of seasons first?
 
Cheers
Errol

-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of Chris
Caulfield
Sent: Friday, 7 September 2007 08:45
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq] Withdrawing from Close - rule change proposal



At present the rule for withdrawing from close states;

 

Withdraw from Close

A figure may attempt to Withdraw from Close Combat.

If they are successful, they may move one hex, but are still treated as
prone. A figure may withdraw from Close if a D10 roll plus any positive
difference in total Physical Strength between the friendly and hostile
figures in the hex is at least 10. 

 

Withdraw from close combat (D10 + total friendly Physical Strength - total
hostile Physical strength) >10. 

 

This rule only takes into account straight PS (physical strength).

 

So John at 20 PS is jumped by Bob with 21 PS who closes with him.   Now John
cannot get out of close with Bob even if John rolls a 10 on a D10 as the
result would be 10+20-21 = 9, which is less than the 10 required. 

 

This seems silly.    If John was a warrior skilled in fighting and or an
Unarmed combat expert he should get some benefit from these skills that are
useful in a fight - close or otherwise.

 

So the proposal is - To change the calculation to be a D100 roll of 50% or
less with the following modifiers. 

+/- 5% difference in PS

+/- 5% difference in Warrior

+/- 5% difference in Unarmed

 

This would mean that John with 20 PS, Warrior 5 and Unarmed 4 vs. Bob with
21 PS, Warrior 2 and no Unarmed skill would have an 80% chance of getting
out of close.      

This was calculated as 20-21 = -5%, Rank 5 Warrior vs 2 = +15% and Unarmed
Rank 4 vs none = +20% for a total modifier of the roll of +30%. 

 

This means that simple PS doesn't determine Close Combat leaving chances.


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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I read=20
the current rule as a 10 is always successful. If the withdrawer has =
_more_ PS,=20
then they apply it as a modifier ("any positive=20
difference").</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D984195020-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Which=20
is not to say that a formula that takes into account other factors =
wouldn't=20
likely be an improvement.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D984195020-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D984195020-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Shouldn't we playtest this for a couple of seasons=20
first?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D984195020-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D984195020-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D984195020-06092007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Errol</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz=20
  [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Chris=20
  Caulfield<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 7 September 2007 =
08:45<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> [dq] Withdrawing from Close - rule =
change=20
  proposal<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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rule for=20
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mso-bidi-font-family: NimbusRomNo9L-Regu"><FONT=20
  face=3DGaramond>A figure may attempt to Withdraw from Close=20
  Combat.</FONT></SPAN></P>
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  face=3DGaramond>If they are successful, they may move one hex, but =
are still=20
  treated as prone. A figure may withdraw from Close if a D10 roll plus =
any=20
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and=20
  hostile figures in the hex is at least 10. </FONT></SPAN></P>
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  from close combat </SPAN><SPAN=20
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mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-family: =
NimbusRomNo9L-Regu">(D10=20
  + total friendly Physical Strength - total hostile Physical strength) =

  &gt;10.</SPAN><SPAN=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm =
0pt"><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: =
EN-GB"></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm =
0pt"><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">This rule only =
takes into=20
  account straight PS (physical strength).</SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm =
0pt"><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: =
EN-GB"></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm =
0pt"><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">So John at 20 =
PS is=20
  jumped by Bob with 21 PS who closes with him.&nbsp;&nbsp; Now John =
cannot get=20
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SubjectRe: [dq] Racial Modifiers - (Retrospective)
FromErrol Cavit
DateFri, 7 Sep 2007 09:13:01 +1200 
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Stephen, can you please confirm that you are OK with your Radial Modifier
proposal being voted on using the approach that Hamish and I set out (rather
than a stand-alone Y/N)?

And for the record, I understand Michael Young's proxy on the Wiki to be Yes
to a change (or at least talking about it), and No to any of the current
proposals (they all change RM of non-giants/shapechangers).
http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Talk:Racial_Modifiers#Comment
s

Cheers
Errol

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Stephen Martin
Sent: Thursday, 6 September 2007 22:17
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Racial Modifiers - (Retrospective)


Hamish wrote:

> 4: Do we make it retrospective?  Y/N

Hamish, do you support making it retrospective?
Do you have reasons to back it up that outweigh the issues raised against
this idea?

Jono had this as part of his original proposal but withdrew it after
discussion.

I ask because I see no point in having something on the agenda that nobody
actually wants and
nobody will vote for.

Cheers, Stephen.


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Stephen, can you please confirm that you are OK with =
your Radial Modifier proposal being voted on using the approach that =
Hamish and I set out (rather than a stand-alone Y/N)?</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>And for the record, I understand Michael Young's =
proxy on the Wiki to be Yes to a change (or at least talking about it), =
and No to any of the current proposals (they all change RM of =
non-giants/shapechangers).</FONT></P>

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hamish wrote:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; 4: Do we make it retrospective?&nbsp; Y/N</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hamish, do you support making it =
retrospective?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Do you have reasons to back it up that outweigh the =
issues raised against this idea?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Jono had this as part of his original proposal but =
withdrew it after discussion.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I ask because I see no point in having something on =
the agenda that nobody actually wants and</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers, Stephen.</FONT>
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Subject[dq] Recipe book - Infomation needed about players
FromJonathan Bean
DateFri, 7 Sep 2007 09:36:42 +1200
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Some time ago, on an adventure I ran a group recovered a recipe book
from the Fastness of Girwyllan.

Could one of the players email me with the adventure name so I can check
on the wiki please, or email me a list of the characters on the
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Kind regards,

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