Subject[dq] DQ Rules on Rule change and voting
FromJonathan Bean
DateMon, 10 Sep 2007 10:18:47 +1200
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Hi all,

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After asking about a bit, no one (including me) can come up with a copy
of what we agreed to in 1996 for how we would conduct ourselves at Gods
meetings in respects to 'our agreed policy on changing rules'.

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As I understand it (which may be wrong);

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In the old days the Gods meetings where held once a month on the first
Sunday of the month.

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We have to have 8 GMs at the meeting for it to be able to go ahead. I
understand that a 'GM' counts as someone that has run a game in DQ
within the last 3 years. I also understand that people did not enforce
this at all and politely let anyone including concerned players vote as
if a GM at the meetings.

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Items can go on the Gods meeting agenda at any point.

Items are talked about in order of the agenda before voting. (In the old
days no email list, so people needed to talk about things face to face.)

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Items that have been on the agenda for more than a month could be voted
on.

An agreement of 6 out of the 8 GMs (3/4) can 'fast track' something onto
the voting agenda without the need for a months discussion if;

If it is agreed (3/4 GMs) that it is felt it is a minor change, fit, or
needed right away.

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Items on the voting agenda can only be voted on by GMs/people at the
meeting. No proxy-votes where allowed.

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As a normal course of action: Changes to any 'rules' are encouraged (but
not required) to go first to voting with a clear issue to address, then
after a vote into 'play test for 3 months to 3 years' (if accepted) then
at the end of play test go to a new vote (with new worded rules) and go
to a three part vote being; Yes go to rules, No don't go to rules, more
work needed.

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Any resulting rules (from the voting agenda) go into the next printed
Rulebook which is when they take effect.

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So .....

Maybe since we are missing any recorded 'agreed policy on changing
rules' we should take the time to firm up something.

Some people recently have said that even though they can't make it to
the meeting they would like their vote counted etc...

Do we as a group need to address this issue?

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Kind regards,

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________________________________

From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Errol Cavit
Sent: Sunday, 9 September 2007 10:05 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Racial Modifiers - (Retrospective)

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"While I think it's possible to argue a case for the EM of Giants and
maybe Shape-changers to be lowered, the other races EM's are fine the
way they are."

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In my head, the first question was phrased a little more widely, more of
'shall we carry on talking about the issue, or leave the status quo.'
Sorry.

As he appeared at least open to discussion of some sort of change, I
chose the combination that will lead to more discussion.

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Sadly, urgent family matters mean that I am unlikely to make it to the
meeting.

Yes to a change.

The 500k magic number (I might have preferred the table if the EP costs
for lower RMs was higher)

Don't accept any of the current proposals

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Errol

	-----Original Message-----
	From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On
Behalf Of Andrew Withy
	Sent: Friday, 7 September 2007 19:07
	To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
	Subject: Re: [dq] Racial Modifiers - (Retrospective)

	Sorry, Michael wasn't in NZ on Wednesday. Must have talked to
him last Wednesday. Not sure why it seemed to recent.

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	From: Andrew Withy [mailto:awithy@ihug.co.nz]=20
	Sent: Friday, 7 September 2007 6:59 p.m.
	To: 'dq@dq.sf.org.nz'
	Subject: RE: [dq] Racial Modifiers - (Retrospective)

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	I talked to to Michael Young on Wednesday night for some time on
this issue; he was dead set against changing the RMs. My "What was the
problem again?" post came out of the conversation we had. I believe he
thought that Giants and Shapechangers got a raw deal, and that their RM
should be dropped to 1.3 (I thought by -0.2 each - we disagreed) - apart
from that, I believe we agreed 100%. The "yes to a change" is a pretty
positive interpretation of his Wiki comment: "For the record I am
totally opposed to the rule change in its current form.".

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	Andrew

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	From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Errol Cavit
	Sent: Friday, 7 September 2007 9:13 a.m.
	To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
	Subject: Re: [dq] Racial Modifiers - (Retrospective)

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	And for the record, I understand Michael Young's proxy on the
Wiki to be Yes to a change (or at least talking about it), and No to any
of the current proposals (they all change RM of
non-giants/shapechangers).

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all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>After asking about a bit, no one
(including me) can come up with a copy of what we agreed to in 1996 for =
how we
would conduct ourselves at Gods meetings in respects to &#8216;our =
agreed policy
on changing rules&#8217;.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As I understand it (which may be =
wrong);<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3DArial><span =
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</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In the old days the Gods meetings =
where
held once a month on the first Sunday of the =
month.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We have to have 8 GMs at the =
meeting for
it to be able to go ahead. I understand that a &#8216;GM&#8217; counts =
as
someone that has run a game in DQ within the last 3 years. I also =
understand
that people did not enforce this at all and politely let anyone =
including concerned
players vote as if a GM at the meetings.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Items can go on the Gods meeting =
agenda at
any point.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Items are talked about in order of =
the
agenda before voting. (In the old days no email list, so people needed =
to talk
about things face to face.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Items that have been on the agenda =
for
more than a month could be voted on.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>An agreement of 6 out of the 8 GMs =
(3/4)
can &#8216;fast track&#8217; something onto the voting agenda without =
the need
for a months discussion if;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If it is agreed (3/4 GMs) that it =
is felt
it is a minor change, fit, or needed right =
away.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Items on the voting agenda can only =
be
voted on by GMs/people at the meeting. No proxy-votes where =
allowed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As a normal course of action: =
Changes to any
&#8216;rules&#8217; are encouraged (but not required) to go first to =
voting
with a clear issue to address, then after a vote into &#8216;play test =
for 3
months to 3 years&#8217; (if accepted) then at the end of play test go =
to a new
vote (with new worded rules) and go to a three part vote being; Yes go =
to
rules, No don&#8217;t go to rules, more work =
needed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Any resulting rules (from the =
voting
agenda) go into the next printed Rulebook which is when they take =
effect.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So =
&#8230;..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Maybe since we are missing any =
recorded &#8216;agreed
policy on changing rules&#8217; we should take the time to firm up =
something.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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even
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vote
counted etc&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Do we as a group need to address =
this
issue?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>=


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style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Errol Cavit<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, 9 September =
2007
10:05 a.m.<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [dq] Racial =
Modifiers
- (Retrospective)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>&quot;</span></fo=
nt><font
color=3Dblack><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'color:black'>While I think =
it's possible to
argue a case for the EM of Giants and maybe Shape-changers to be =
lowered, the
other races EM's are fine the way they are.&quot;</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>In my head, the =
first
question was phrased a little more widely, more of 'shall we carry on =
talking
about the issue, or leave the status quo.' Sorry.</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>As he appeared =
at least
open to discussion of some sort of change, I chose the combination that =
will
lead to more discussion.</span></font><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Sadly, urgent =
family
matters mean that I am unlikely to make it to the =
meeting.</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Yes to a =
change.</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The 500k magic =
number (I
might have preferred the table if the EP costs for lower RMs was =
higher)</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Don't accept any =
of the
current proposals</span></font><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Errol</span></fon=
t><span
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

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face=3DTahoma><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
Behalf Of </span></b>Andrew
Withy<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, 7 September =
2007
19:07<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [dq] Racial =
Modifiers
- (Retrospective)</span></font><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sorry, Michael =
wasn't in
NZ on Wednesday. Must have talked to him last Wednesday. Not sure why it =
seemed
to recent.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =
Andrew Withy [mailto:awithy@ihug.co.nz]
<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, 7 September =
2007
6:59 p.m.<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [dq] Racial =
Modifiers
- (Retrospective)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I talked to to =
Michael
Young on Wednesday night for some time on this issue; he was dead set =
against
changing the RMs. My &quot;What was the problem again?&quot; post came =
out of
the conversation we had. I believe he thought that Giants and =
Shapechangers got
a raw deal, and that their RM should be dropped to 1.3 (I thought by =
-0.2 each
- we disagreed) - apart from that, I believe we agreed 100%. The =
&quot;yes to a
change&quot; is a pretty positive interpretation of his Wiki comment: =
</span></font><span
lang=3DEN>&quot;For the record I am totally opposed to the rule change =
in its
current form.&quot;</span><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></p>

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lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></font></p>

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lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Andrew<o:p></o:p>=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Errol Cavit<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, 7 September =
2007
9:13 a.m.<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [dq] Racial =
Modifiers
- (Retrospective)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>And
for the record, I understand Michael Young's proxy on the Wiki to be Yes =
to a
change (or at least talking about it), and No to any of the current =
proposals
(they all change RM of non-giants/shapechangers).</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><a
href=3D"http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Talk:Racial_Modifi=
ers#Comments"
target=3D"_blank">http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Talk:Rac=
ial_Modifiers#Comments</a></span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Cheers</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB> <br>
</span><font size=3D2><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Errol</span></font><span
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Subject[dq] College and non-college magics
From
DateMon, 10 Sep 2007 15:01:28 +1200
This is probably a basic and silly question but I just wish to make sure.

Do college bonuses such as Earth mage mistletoe or Water college immersion
bonuses apply to common college rituals such as Investment, Purification
and Ward. I also presume they do not apply to the non-college rituals such
as Geas and Remove Curse.

It's probably implied but I'm wondering if it should be stated explicitly
in the College and Non-College pages of the rulebook. 

Keith


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SubjectRe: [dq] College and non-college magics
FromErrol Cavit
DateMon, 10 Sep 2007 15:30:10 +1200
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Well, it's a bit stronger than implied IMO - those magics are part of an
adepts college (or not), so college bonuses/restrictions naturally apply (or
not).

However, there is no harm in adding a sentence to the intro paragraph of
each of the two sections, especially to highlight the 'you can't do any
counterspells if you can't cast your college' bit.

Cheers
Errol

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From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
phaeton@ihug.co.nz
Sent: Monday, 10 September 2007 15:01
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq] College and non-college magics


This is probably a basic and silly question but I just wish to make sure.

Do college bonuses such as Earth mage mistletoe or Water college immersion
bonuses apply to common college rituals such as Investment, Purification
and Ward. I also presume they do not apply to the non-college rituals such
as Geas and Remove Curse.

It's probably implied but I'm wondering if it should be stated explicitly
in the College and Non-College pages of the rulebook. 

Keith


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Well, it's a bit stronger than implied IMO - those =
magics are part of an adepts college (or not), so college =
bonuses/restrictions naturally apply (or not).</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>However, there is no harm in adding a sentence to the =
intro paragraph of each of the two sections, especially to highlight =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>This is probably a basic and silly question but I =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Do college bonuses such as Earth mage mistletoe or =
Water college immersion</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>bonuses apply to common college rituals such as =
Investment, Purification</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and Ward. I also presume they do not apply to the =
non-college rituals such</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>as Geas and Remove Curse.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It's probably implied but I'm wondering if it should =
be stated explicitly</FONT>
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FromKeith Smith
DateMon, 10 Sep 2007 15:50:27 +1200
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>Well, it's a bit stronger than implied IMO - those magics are part 
>of an adepts college (or not), so college bonuses/restrictions 
>naturally apply (or not).

Yeah .. that's what I thought .. but really wanted to be sure before 
I started tweaking formulas

>However, there is no harm in adding a sentence to the intro 
>paragraph of each of the two sections, especially to highlight the 
>'you can't do any counterspells if you can't cast your college' bit.

Agreed. Speaking of counterspells, I take it that counterspells 
learnt that are not of your college, e.g. a Celestial casting Fire 
Special Counter,  are also non-colleged magic.

Keith

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not).</font></blockquote><br>
Yeah .. that's what I thought .. but really wanted to be sure before I
started tweaking formulas<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=2>However, there is
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Agreed. Speaking of counterspells, I take it that counterspells learnt
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FromStruan Judd
DateMon, 10 Sep 2007 16:01:06 +1200
On 9/10/07, Keith Smith <phaeton@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> > However, there is no harm in adding a sentence to the intro paragraph of
> > each of the two sections, especially to highlight the 'you can't do any
> > counterspells if you can't cast your college' bit.
>  Agreed. Speaking of counterspells, I take it that counterspells learnt that
> are not of your college, e.g. a Celestial casting Fire Special Counter,  are
> also non-colleged magic.

Actually, I feel the opposite is quite clearly implied, ie. All
counterspells are College Spells.
It just happens that unless you are a Namer, Other college
counterspells are Special Knowledge spells and may not be ranked above
Rank 0.

TTFN, Struan


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FromErrol Cavit
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Actually, that isn't as clear-cut as I thought.
They are clearly Special Knowledge (so 2 FT to cast etc). I seem to remember
discussing who can teach who 'off-college' counters. I think we decided that
if was best for everyone's sanity if anyone that knew a college's
counterspells could teach them to anybody else. This suggests that
'off-college' counters have no college themselves, and college bonuses and
restrictions don't apply?
 
This is all from memory, and we quite possibly didn't think about it at the
time anyway.
 
We should decide how we want to treat them, and state what we decide clearly
- putting the bit about off-college counters at the start of 10.2
Counterspell (rather than the end) would be an improvement as well I think.
If we decide they are college spells, a specific note about flexible ability
to teach widely would be good.
 
I haven't done a detailed check off the Rulebook to see if it is clarified
anywhere outside the 'College Magic' section.
 
Cheers
Errol

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Agreed. Speaking of counterspells, I take it that counterspells learnt that
are not of your college, e.g. a Celestial casting Fire Special Counter,  are
also non-colleged magic.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=839105703-10092007>They 
are clearly Special Knowledge (so 2 FT to cast etc). I seem to remember 
discussing&nbsp;who can teach&nbsp;who 'off-college' counters. I think we 
decided that if was best for everyone's sanity if anyone that knew a college's 
counterspells could teach them to anybody else. This suggests that 'off-college' 
counters have no college themselves, and college bonuses and restrictions don't 
apply?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=839105703-10092007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=839105703-10092007>This 
is all from memory, and we quite possibly didn't think about it at the time 
anyway.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=839105703-10092007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=839105703-10092007>We 
should decide how we want to treat them, and state what we decide clearly - 
putting the bit about off-college counters at the start of 10.2 Counterspell 
(rather than the end) would be an improvement as well I 
think.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=839105703-10092007>If we 
decide they are college spells, a specific note about flexible ability to teach 
widely would be good.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=839105703-10092007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=839105703-10092007>I 
haven't done a detailed check off the Rulebook to see if it is clarified 
anywhere outside the 'College Magic' section.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=839105703-10092007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=839105703-10092007>Cheers</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=839105703-10092007>Errol</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  Speaking of counterspells, I take it that counterspells learnt that are not of 
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Actually, that isn't as clear-cut as I thought.

They are clearly Special Knowledge (so 2 FT to cast etc). I seem to
remember discussing who can teach who 'off-college' counters. I think we
decided that if was best for everyone's sanity if anyone that knew a
college's counterspells could teach them to anybody else. This suggests
that 'off-college' counters have no college themselves, and college
bonuses and restrictions don't apply?

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This is all from memory, and we quite possibly didn't think about it at
the time anyway.

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We should decide how we want to treat them, and state what we decide
clearly - putting the bit about off-college counters at the start of
10.2 Counterspell (rather than the end) would be an improvement as well
I think.

If we decide they are college spells, a specific note about flexible
ability to teach widely would be good.

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I haven't done a detailed check off the Rulebook to see if it is
clarified anywhere outside the 'College Magic' section.

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Cheers

Errol

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	Agreed. Speaking of counterspells, I take it that counterspells
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Errol Cavit<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, 10 =
September 2007
4:18 p.m.<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [dq] College =
and
non-college magics</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Actually, that isn't as clear-cut =
as I
thought.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>They are clearly Special Knowledge =
(so 2
FT to cast etc). I seem to remember discussing&nbsp;who can =
teach&nbsp;who
'off-college' counters. I think we decided that if was best for =
everyone's
sanity if anyone that knew a college's counterspells could teach them to
anybody else. This suggests that 'off-college' counters have no college
themselves, and college bonuses and restrictions don't =
apply?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>This is all from memory, and we =
quite
possibly didn't think about it at the time =
anyway.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>We should decide how we want to =
treat
them, and state what we decide clearly - putting the bit about =
off-college
counters at the start of 10.2 Counterspell (rather than the end) would =
be an
improvement as well I think.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>If we decide they are college =
spells, a
specific note about flexible ability to teach widely would be =
good.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I haven't done a detailed check off =
the
Rulebook to see if it is clarified anywhere outside the 'College Magic'
section.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Cheers</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Errol</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
Behalf Of </span></b>Keith
Smith<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, 10 =
September 2007
15:50<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [dq] College =
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Agreed. Speaking of counterspells, I take it that counterspells learnt =
that are
not of your college, e.g. a Celestial casting Fire Special =
Counter,&nbsp; are
also non-colleged magic.<br>
<br>
Keith<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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*       This suggests that 'off-college' counters have no college
themselves, and college bonuses and restrictions don't apply?

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If you decide this you will radically change the way the Namers can
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Counter spells need to be of a college otherwise in combats with mages

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The Namers will 'turn off 'another caster, only to have that 'turned
off' caster then put a Namer Counter spell under the Namer stopping the
Namer being able to cast, as all of the Counter Spells are Namer General
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From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
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Actually, that isn't as clear-cut as I thought.

They are clearly Special Knowledge (so 2 FT to cast etc). I seem to
remember discussing who can teach who 'off-college' counters. I think we
decided that if was best for everyone's sanity if anyone that knew a
college's counterspells could teach them to anybody else. This suggests
that 'off-college' counters have no college themselves, and college
bonuses and restrictions don't apply?

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This is all from memory, and we quite possibly didn't think about it at
the time anyway.

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We should decide how we want to treat them, and state what we decide
clearly - putting the bit about off-college counters at the start of
10.2 Counterspell (rather than the end) would be an improvement as well
I think.

If we decide they are college spells, a specific note about flexible
ability to teach widely would be good.

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I haven't done a detailed check off the Rulebook to see if it is
clarified anywhere outside the 'College Magic' section.

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Cheers

Errol

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	From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On
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	Agreed. Speaking of counterspells, I take it that counterspells
learnt that are not of your college, e.g. a Celestial casting Fire
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lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DWingdings><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Wingdings;color:navy'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&Oslash;<font =
size=3D1
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>This
suggests that 'off-college' counters have no college themselves, and =
college
bonuses and restrictions don't apply?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:18.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If you decide this you will =
radically
change the way the Namers can play.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Counter spells need to be of a =
college
otherwise in combats with mages<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The Namers will &#8216;turn off =
&#8216;another
caster, only to have that &#8216;turned off&#8217; caster then put a =
Namer
Counter spell under the Namer stopping the Namer being able to cast, as =
all of
the Counter Spells are Namer General =
Knowledge.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Kind =
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><st1:PersonName
style=3D"BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: =
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tabIndex=3D"0" w:st=3D"on"><strong><b><font size=3D3 color=3D"#52717f"
 face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span lang=3DEN-NZ =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
 color:#52717F'>Jonathan =
Bean</span></font></b></strong></st1:PersonName><font
color=3Dnavy><span lang=3DEN-NZ style=3D'color:navy'><br>
</span></font><font size=3D1 color=3D"#52717f" face=3DVerdana><span =
lang=3DEN-NZ
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#52717F'>Sales =
Executive</span></font><font
color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

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  <td width=3D12 height=3D12 bgcolor=3D"#EBEFF0" =
style=3D'width:8.8pt;background:#EBEFF0;
  padding:0cm 0cm 0cm .75pt;height:9.1pt'>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
  auto;text-align:center;line-height:9.1pt'><font size=3D1 =
color=3D"#859ba5"
  face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-NZ =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;
  color:#859BA5'>M</span></font><font size=3D1 color=3D"#859ba5" =
face=3DVerdana><span
  lang=3DEN-NZ =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#859BA5'><o:p></o:p></=
span></font></p>
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0cm 6.0pt;
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  <p class=3DMsoNormal =
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  line-height:9.1pt'><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3DVerdana><span =
lang=3DEN-NZ
  style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>+64 21 917 =
173</span></font><font
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style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;
  font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style=3D'width:149.3pt;border:none;
  border-left:dotted #CCCCCC 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
0cm;height:9.1pt'>
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cellpadding=3D0 width=3D253
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   <tr height=3D12 style=3D'height:9.1pt'>
    <td width=3D38 height=3D12 bgcolor=3D"#EBEFF0" =
style=3D'width:28.45pt;background:
    #EBEFF0;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm .75pt;height:9.1pt'>
    <p class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
    auto;text-align:center;line-height:9.1pt'><font size=3D1 =
color=3D"#859ba5"
    face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-NZ =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;
    color:#859BA5'>Office</span></font><font size=3D1 color=3D"#859ba5"
    face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-NZ =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;
    color:#859BA5'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
    </td>
    <td width=3D200 height=3D12 style=3D'width:150.15pt;padding:0cm 0cm =
0cm 6.0pt;
    height:9.1pt'>
    <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-NZ
    style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy'>Level 1, =
<st1:address
    tabIndex=3D"0"
    style=3D"BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: =
url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x"
    w:st=3D"on"><st1:Street w:st=3D"on">4 Newton Road</st1:Street>, =
<st1:City
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size=3D1
    color=3Dnavy face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-NZ =
style=3D'font-size:6.0pt;font-family:
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href=3D"http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&amp;hl=3Den&amp;geocode=3D&amp;=
q=3D4+Newton+Rd,+Newton,+Auckland+1010,+New+Zealand&amp;sll=3D40.03804,-7=
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.753363&amp;spn=3D0.008206,0.020084&amp;z=3D16&amp;iwloc=3Daddr&amp;om=3D=
1">Click
    here for a Google map</a>)</span></font><font size=3D1 color=3Dnavy
    face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-NZ =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;
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    </td>
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    <td width=3D38 height=3D12 bgcolor=3D"#EBEFF0" =
style=3D'width:28.45pt;background:
    #EBEFF0;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm .75pt;height:9.1pt'>
    <p class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
    auto;text-align:center;line-height:9.1pt'><font size=3D1 =
color=3D"#859ba5"
    face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-NZ =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;
    color:#859BA5'>Postal</span></font><font size=3D1 color=3D"#859ba5"
    face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-NZ =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;
    color:#859BA5'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
    </td>
    <td width=3D200 height=3D12 style=3D'width:150.15pt;padding:0cm 0cm =
0cm 6.0pt;
    height:9.1pt'>
    <p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:address tabIndex=3D"0"
    style=3D"BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: =
url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x"
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face=3DVerdana><span
      lang=3DEN-NZ =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy'>PO Box
      2343</span></font></st1:Street><font size=3D1 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DVerdana><span
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style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:
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    face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-NZ =
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    <td width=3D38 height=3D12 bgcolor=3D"#EBEFF0" =
style=3D'width:28.45pt;background:
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    <p class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
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color=3D"#859ba5"
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    face=3DVerdana><span lang=3DEN-NZ =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;
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    <td width=3D200 height=3D12 style=3D'width:150.15pt;padding:0cm 0cm =
0cm 6.0pt;
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    <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
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face=3DVerdana><span
    lang=3DEN-NZ =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Time
    Disciple</span></font><font color=3Dnavy><span lang=3DEN-NZ =
style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style=3D'width:28.45pt;background:
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color=3D"#859ba5"
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style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;
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lang=3DEN-NZ
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    <td width=3D200 height=3D21 style=3D'width:150.15pt;padding:0cm 0cm =
0cm 6.0pt;
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style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'><a
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href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com">jonobean@gmail.com</a></span></font><f=
ont
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style=3D'color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=3DEN-NZ
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6500</span></font><font
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  <p class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
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dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Errol Cavit<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, 10 =
September 2007
4:18 p.m.<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [dq] College =
and
non-college magics</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
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thought.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>They are clearly Special Knowledge =
(so 2
FT to cast etc). I seem to remember discussing&nbsp;who can =
teach&nbsp;who
'off-college' counters. I think we decided that if was best for =
everyone's
sanity if anyone that knew a college's counterspells could teach them to
anybody else. This suggests that 'off-college' counters have no college
themselves, and college bonuses and restrictions don't =
apply?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
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quite
possibly didn't think about it at the time =
anyway.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>We should decide how we want to =
treat
them, and state what we decide clearly - putting the bit about =
off-college
counters at the start of 10.2 Counterspell (rather than the end) would =
be an
improvement as well I think.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>If we decide they are college =
spells, a
specific note about flexible ability to teach widely would be =
good.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
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the
Rulebook to see if it is clarified anywhere outside the 'College Magic'
section.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
Behalf Of </span></b>Keith
Smith<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, 10 =
September 2007
15:50<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [dq] College =
and
non-college magics</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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Agreed. Speaking of counterspells, I take it that counterspells learnt =
that are
not of your college, e.g. a Celestial casting Fire Special =
Counter,&nbsp; are
also non-colleged magic.<br>
<br>
Keith<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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SubjectRe: [dq] College and non-college magics
FromErrol Cavit
DateMon, 10 Sep 2007 16:57:14 +1200
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A logical argument.
It would follow (barring a special exception) that you have to learn an
'off-college' counter from someone who is the same college as you. I don't
think we want that to be a rule.
 
I'm fine with 'Off-college counters are cast as SK spells of the adept's
college', so long as the teaching of them reflects what has been the
practice for some time (as I understand it) - anyone who knows the
counterspell for a college can teach it to any other adept.
 
It's quite possible that we clarified/decided this already, and just omitted
to get it into the Rulebook in an obvious fashion. If anyone finds a
decision recorded anywhere, please note it at
http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Noticed_Rulebook_Issues
<http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Noticed_Rulebook_Issues> 
 
Good point in your other post Jono. It looks like the Rulebook doesn't
support the way things are done (certainly not in a clear fashion), so we
should update it.
 
Cheers
Errol

-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
Jonathan Bean
Sent: Monday, 10 September 2007 16:33
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] College and non-college magics



Don't forget there are two types here - 

College Mages Section 10 and Non-College magic's Section 11.

Counter Spells are in the first section college magic. 

 

Kind regards,




 

 

 


  _____  


From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Errol Cavit
Sent: Monday, 10 September 2007 4:18 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] College and non-college magics

 

Actually, that isn't as clear-cut as I thought.

They are clearly Special Knowledge (so 2 FT to cast etc). I seem to remember
discussing who can teach who 'off-college' counters. I think we decided that
if was best for everyone's sanity if anyone that knew a college's
counterspells could teach them to anybody else. This suggests that
'off-college' counters have no college themselves, and college bonuses and
restrictions don't apply?

 

This is all from memory, and we quite possibly didn't think about it at the
time anyway.

 

We should decide how we want to treat them, and state what we decide clearly
- putting the bit about off-college counters at the start of 10.2
Counterspell (rather than the end) would be an improvement as well I think.

If we decide they are college spells, a specific note about flexible ability
to teach widely would be good.

 

I haven't done a detailed check off the Rulebook to see if it is clarified
anywhere outside the 'College Magic' section.

 

Cheers

Errol

-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of Keith
Smith
Sent: Monday, 10 September 2007 15:50
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] College and non-college magics

 <snip> 


Agreed. Speaking of counterspells, I take it that counterspells learnt that
are not of your college, e.g. a Celestial casting Fire Special Counter,  are
also non-colleged magic.

Keith


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<DIV><SPAN class=705553004-10092007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>A&nbsp;logical argument.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705553004-10092007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It 
would follow (barring a special exception) that you have to learn an 
'off-college' counter from someone who is the same college as you. I don't think 
we want that to be a rule.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705553004-10092007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705553004-10092007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I'm 
fine with 'Off-college counters are cast as SK spells of the adept's college', 
so long as the teaching of them reflects what has been the practice for some 
time (as I understand it) - anyone who knows the counterspell for a college can 
teach it to any other adept.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705553004-10092007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705553004-10092007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It's 
quite possible that we clarified/decided this already, and just omitted to get 
it into the Rulebook in an obvious fashion. If anyone finds a decision recorded 
anywhere, please note it at</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705553004-10092007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A 
href="http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Noticed_Rulebook_Issues">http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Noticed_Rulebook_Issues</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705553004-10092007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705553004-10092007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Good 
point in your other post Jono. It looks like the Rulebook doesn't support the 
way things are done (certainly not in a clear fashion), so we should update 
it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705553004-10092007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705553004-10092007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705553004-10092007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Errol</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz 
  [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Jonathan 
  Bean<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 10 September 2007 16:33<BR><B>To:</B> 
  dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] College and non-college 
  magics<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=Section1>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Don't forget there 
  are two types here - <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">College Mages Section 
  10 and Non-College magic's Section 11.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Counter Spells are in 
  the first section college magic. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Kind 
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  face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> 
  dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Errol Cavit<BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, 10 September 2007 4:18 
  p.m.<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName 
  w:st="on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [dq] College and non-college 
  magics</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Actually, that isn't 
  as clear-cut as I thought.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">They are clearly 
  Special Knowledge (so 2 FT to cast etc). I seem to remember 
  discussing&nbsp;who can teach&nbsp;who 'off-college' counters. I think we 
  decided that if was best for everyone's sanity if anyone that knew a college's 
  counterspells could teach them to anybody else. This suggests that 
  'off-college' counters have no college themselves, and college bonuses and 
  restrictions don't apply?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is all from 
  memory, and we quite possibly didn't think about it at the time 
  anyway.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We should decide how 
  we want to treat them, and state what we decide clearly - putting the bit 
  about off-college counters at the start of 10.2 Counterspell (rather than the 
  end) would be an improvement as well I 
  think.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If we decide they are 
  college spells, a specific note about flexible ability to teach widely would 
  be good.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I haven't done a 
  detailed check off the Rulebook to see if it is clarified anywhere outside the 
  'College Magic' section.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cheers</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Errol</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
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    size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original 
    Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> 
    dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<B><SPAN 
    style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Keith Smith<BR><B><SPAN 
    style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, 10 September 2007 
    15:50<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName 
    w:st="on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN 
    style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [dq] College and 
    non-college magics</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
    <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt" cite="" 
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    <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>Agreed. Speaking of counterspells, I take it 
    that counterspells learnt that are not of your college, e.g. a Celestial 
    casting Fire Special Counter,&nbsp; are also non-colleged 
    magic.<BR><BR>Keith<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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> *       This suggests that 'off-college' counters have no college
> themselves, and college bonuses and restrictions don't apply?
> 
>  
> 
> If you decide this you will radically change the way the Namers can
> play.
> 
>  
> 
> Counter spells need to be of a college otherwise in combats with mages
> 
>  
> 
> The Namers will 'turn off 'another caster, only to have that 'turned
> off' caster then put a Namer Counter spell under the Namer stopping the
> Namer being able to cast, as all of the Counter Spells are Namer General
> Knowledge.

So, what you're saying that Counterspells that are not of the caster's
College, become part of the caster's  College Magic and have college
bonuses apply - and also cannot be cast if it is not possible for the Adept
to cast their College. If that's the case though, can they still cast
non-colleged magic like Geas?

Keith


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At 04:57 p.m. 10/09/2007, you wrote:
>A logical argument.
>It would follow (barring a special exception) that you have to learn 
>an 'off-college' counter from someone who is the same college as 
>you. I don't think we want that to be a rule.
>
>I'm fine with 'Off-college counters are cast as SK spells of the 
>adept's college', so long as the teaching of them reflects what has 
>been the practice for some time (as I understand it) - anyone who 
>knows the counterspell for a college can teach it to any other adept.
>
>It's quite possible that we clarified/decided this already, and just 
>omitted to get it into the Rulebook in an obvious fashion. If anyone 
>finds a decision recorded anywhere, please note it at
><http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Noticed_Rulebook_Issues>http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Noticed_Rulebook_Issues
>
>Good point in your other post Jono. It looks like the Rulebook 
>doesn't support the way things are done (certainly not in a clear 
>fashion), so we should update it.

Plus the price of learning Counters is listed on the wiki as being 
taught by the Namer College. I presume that they will soon be 
offering the new Exsanguination ones soon. They definately fall under 
the category of 'Defense Against the Dark Arts'. *g*

On a similar note, does anyone know of any Earth Places of Power in 
the area my Earth mage can borrow for a week?

Keith



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<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=2 color="#0000FF">A
logical argument.<br>
It would follow (barring a special exception) that you have to learn an
'off-college' counter from someone who is the same college as you. I
don't think we want that to be a rule.<br>
</font>&nbsp;<br>
<font size=2 color="#0000FF">I'm fine with 'Off-college counters are cast
as SK spells of the adept's college', so long as the teaching of them
reflects what has been the practice for some time (as I understand it) -
anyone who knows the counterspell for a college can teach it to any other
adept.<br>
</font>&nbsp;<br>
<font size=2 color="#0000FF">It's quite possible that we
clarified/decided this already, and just omitted to get it into the
Rulebook in an obvious fashion. If anyone finds a decision recorded
anywhere, please note it at<br>
<a href="http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Noticed_Rulebook_Issues">
http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Noticed_Rulebook_Issues</a>
<br>
</font>&nbsp;<br>
<font size=2 color="#0000FF">Good point in your other post Jono. It looks
like the Rulebook doesn't support the way things are done (certainly not
in a clear fashion), so we should update it.</font></blockquote><br>
Plus the price of learning Counters is listed on the wiki as being taught
by the Namer College. I presume that they will soon be offering the new
Exsanguination ones soon. They definately fall under the category of
'Defense Against the Dark Arts'. *g*<br><br>
On a similar note, does anyone know of any Earth Places of Power in the
area my Earth mage can borrow for a week?<br><br>
Keith<br><br>
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s anyone know of any Earth Places of Power in the area my Earth mage can bo=
rrow for a week?KeithPossibly, a duidic one was formed to the north near th=
e cazalan/ranke border about a days walk east off the main highway through =
forest. (2 hours flight as crow flies from guild).
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 a foot or so out of the ground and grow if 'watered' with blood.
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 crow flies from guild).<BR>
Look for a henge of stones with a menier in the middle at the top of a hill=
 overlooking gullys to the east and south. The stones sometimes appear only=
 a foot or so out of the ground and grow if 'watered' with blood.<BR>
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&nbsp;Location was reported to guild and Earth college by Serra Angelus, Be=
rnard was the G.M.<BR>
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TTFN<BR>
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