SubjectRe: [dq] Rulebook - multiple spell effects
FromErrol Cavit
DateWed, 12 Sep 2007 07:45:30 +1200
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I don't think that Dispel Magic was written with this situation in mind - it
isn't clear on what happens when there are queued instances of the same
spell. I've assumed that it only effects one instance of the spell named
(which could be queued if there is a different spell with a same effect
active), but I don't think it has ever come up in practice IME.
 
If it does remove all instances of the named spell, then flying near a
decent Namer becomes harder to prepare for, for instance. I play both sides
of this particular issue :-)
 
My gut feel is that GM whim would normally decide on 'it zaps one instance',
but I don't think a GM would think you are trying it on if you ask.
 
Cheers
Errol

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:11:22 +1200
Subject: Re: [dq] Rulebook - multiple spell effects
From: jonathanB@timedisciple.com
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz



Hi all,

 

With Fire Armour and the current rules you could reasonably say:

 

Get the fire mage to cast 10 Fire Armour spells on the warrior at rank 10
for a duration of 11 hours (1 in effect and 9 queuing).

The warrior goes into battle and gets hit with a lot of fire damage.

Once the points of protection from the first fire armour is used up the
spell will end.

Then the second one will kick in because the first fire armour spells
duration would have ended (when the points of protection are used up). 

This means that given a rank 10 fire armour spell (44 points of fire
protection) the warrior can in effect have 440 points of protection. 

 

I do not feel comfortable with this seemingly reasonable interpretation. 

 

won't the enemy namer just dispell counter disjunction or whatever the fire
armour which would remove the running spell and those cued? 


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<DIV><SPAN class=025142219-11092007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>I don't think 
that Dispel Magic was written with this situation in mind - it isn't clear on 
what happens when there are queued instances of the same spell. I've assumed 
that it only effects one instance of the spell named (which could be queued if 
there is a different spell with a same effect active), but I don't think it has 
ever come up in practice IME.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=025142219-11092007><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=025142219-11092007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>If it does 
remove all instances of the named spell, then flying near a decent Namer becomes 
harder to prepare for, for instance. I play both sides of this particular issue 
:-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=025142219-11092007><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=025142219-11092007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>My gut feel 
is that GM whim would normally decide on 'it zaps one instance', but I don't 
think a GM would think you are trying it on if you ask.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=025142219-11092007><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=025142219-11092007><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff>Errol</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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    all,</SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy><SPAN lang=EN-NZ 
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    <P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy><SPAN lang=EN-NZ 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">With Fire Armour 
    and the current rules you could reasonably say:</SPAN></FONT></P>
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    <P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy><SPAN lang=EN-NZ 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Get the fire mage 
    to cast 10 Fire Armour spells on the warrior at rank 10 for a duration of 11 
    hours (1 in effect and 9 queuing).</SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy><SPAN lang=EN-NZ 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The warrior goes 
    into battle and gets hit with a lot of fire damage.</SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy><SPAN lang=EN-NZ 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Once the points of 
    protection from the first fire armour is used up the spell will 
    end.</SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy><SPAN lang=EN-NZ 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Then the second one 
    will kick in because the first fire armour spells duration would have ended 
    (when the points of protection are used up). </SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy><SPAN lang=EN-NZ 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This means that 
    given a rank 10 fire armour spell (44 points of fire protection) the warrior 
    can in effect have 440 points of protection. </SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy><SPAN lang=EN-NZ 
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    <P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy><SPAN lang=EN-NZ 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I do not feel 
    comfortable with this seemingly reasonable interpretation. 
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    style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">won't the enemy namer just&nbsp;dispell counter 
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    spell and those cued?&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Spell queuing
FromStephen Martin
DateWed, 12 Sep 2007 08:12:27 +1200 (NZST)
There have been several discussions about changing the stacking/queuing rules before, the final
conclusion has so far been that alternative methods break more than they fix.  I'm not saying it
shouldn't be discussed, just to not ignore the common finding of previous discussions.

My preference is for a Greatest Effect Applies type rule, but to make it work requires changing
dozens of spells, and probably still has flaws once you add in non-standard items and abilities.

I'm resigned to the Devil we know on this topic.

My vote is to leave the stacking/queuing rule alone and fix the one or two spells that need it.

Ross Alexander wrote:
> On the two particular spells in question, ie Fire Armour and Strength of
> Stone, there are problems.
>
> For Fire Armour, the current rules would allow multiple spells to be
> running, and when the first one is used up, the next will kick in.  If
> there is a consensus that this is a problem, simple add "The Fire Armour
> spell will not work if the target is currently already under the affects
> of a Fire Armour spell."

I prefer the proposal (can't remember who suggested it) of removing the line stating the (Fire
Armour) spell ends when the protection is gone.

>
> For Strength of Stone, vote either 1) it is allowed simultaneously on PS &
> EN, 2) it isn't, 3) GM's choice.

Agree except I'd remove option 3) I don't like having 'wibble' options in voting, make a choice or
abstain.  I'll abstain from this vote as I find it hard to overcome my vested interest as a
player.

> As for the "Putting a rank 0 spell on an enemy so they can't put on
> their Rank 20" spells has been mentioned in the past, but it has never
> come up in a game, mostly I guess because PCs have better things to do
> with their actions, and a lot of GMs would simply ignore it as an abuse
> of the rules.

This has always been an option and never been a problem.  Bully for you if you can do it and
actually gain some benefit from it.


Cheers, Stephen.


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SubjectRe: [dq] Spell queuing
FromJohanna and Hamish
DateWed, 12 Sep 2007 09:10:27 +1200
I found that when I GM'd for the first time last summer this was a key area
of the rules that I had to consider.

Not being much of a rule junky I was not terribly up to speed with how my
party might use the rules to their advantage.  On the night I threw in an
extra opponent with rk 20 D-flames and rk 20 Hell fire, and that sorted
things a bit.

The other curly one was weapon of flames and does it triple damage on a
triple.  A friendly GM colleague suggested later that if it does for the
party it does for the opposition.  Again - simple in game fix.

I imagine now I have had this initial trial by fire that in future I will be
alerted to the possibilities and have an answer to "can I stack fire amour
it says its possible in the rules.

However I do like the suggestion that SoS goes on both Str and End with 2
earth mages, this makes the second less redundant, but then when does it
actually come up.

Hamish



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Stephen Martin
Sent: Wednesday, 12 mmmm 2007 8:12
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Spell queuing

There have been several discussions about changing the stacking/queuing
rules before, the final
conclusion has so far been that alternative methods break more than they
fix.  I'm not saying it
shouldn't be discussed, just to not ignore the common finding of previous
discussions.

My preference is for a Greatest Effect Applies type rule, but to make it
work requires changing
dozens of spells, and probably still has flaws once you add in non-standard
items and abilities.

I'm resigned to the Devil we know on this topic.

My vote is to leave the stacking/queuing rule alone and fix the one or two
spells that need it.

Ross Alexander wrote:
> On the two particular spells in question, ie Fire Armour and Strength of
> Stone, there are problems.
>
> For Fire Armour, the current rules would allow multiple spells to be
> running, and when the first one is used up, the next will kick in.  If
> there is a consensus that this is a problem, simple add "The Fire Armour
> spell will not work if the target is currently already under the affects
> of a Fire Armour spell."

I prefer the proposal (can't remember who suggested it) of removing the line
stating the (Fire
Armour) spell ends when the protection is gone.

>
> For Strength of Stone, vote either 1) it is allowed simultaneously on PS &
> EN, 2) it isn't, 3) GM's choice.

Agree except I'd remove option 3) I don't like having 'wibble' options in
voting, make a choice or
abstain.  I'll abstain from this vote as I find it hard to overcome my
vested interest as a
player.

> As for the "Putting a rank 0 spell on an enemy so they can't put on
> their Rank 20" spells has been mentioned in the past, but it has never
> come up in a game, mostly I guess because PCs have better things to do
> with their actions, and a lot of GMs would simply ignore it as an abuse
> of the rules.

This has always been an option and never been a problem.  Bully for you if
you can do it and
actually gain some benefit from it.


Cheers, Stephen.


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SubjectRe: [dq] Spell queuing
FromMartin Dickson
DateWed, 12 Sep 2007 09:23:16 +1200
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On 9/12/07, Stephen Martin <stephenm@aklnz.net> wrote:
>
> > For Strength of Stone, vote either 1) it is allowed simultaneously on PS
> &
> > EN, 2) it isn't, 3) GM's choice.
>
> Agree except I'd remove option 3) I don't like having 'wibble' options in
> voting, make a choice or
> abstain.


Per the current rules: "If two spells affect different attributes (e.g. PS &
FT), they stack", suggesting that option #1 is the status quo (and further
suggesting that the example was written with SoS explicitly in mind (since
at the time it affected PS or FT, rather than PS or EN as it does now).

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On 9/12/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Stephen Martin</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:stephenm@aklnz.net">stephenm@aklnz.net</a>&gt; wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
&gt; For Strength of Stone, vote either 1) it is allowed simultaneously on PS &amp;<br>&gt; EN, 2) it isn&#39;t, 3) GM&#39;s choice.<br><br>Agree except I&#39;d remove option 3) I don&#39;t like having &#39;wibble&#39; options in voting, make a choice or
<br>abstain.</blockquote><div><br>Per the current rules: &quot;If two spells affect different attributes (e.g. PS &amp; FT), they stack&quot;, suggesting that option #1 is the status quo (and further suggesting that the example was written with SoS explicitly in mind (since at the time it affected PS or FT, rather than PS or EN as it does now).
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SubjectRe: [dq] Spell queuing
FromErrol Cavit
DateWed, 12 Sep 2007 09:28:43 +1200
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I would expect that the opposition will sometimes have the option as well,
as cults etc tend to focus on particular colleges (so are moderately likey
to have multiple mages of the same college).

OTOH, the party tend to throw money (e.g. Waters of Str) at the problem
(when they have a chance to buff up in advance).

Cheers
Errol

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<snip>

However I do like the suggestion that SoS goes on both Str and End with 2
earth mages, this makes the second less redundant, but then when does it
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w:st=3D"on">Superstition</st1:PlaceName>
 <st1:PlaceType =
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