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I have always played and ruled that SoS only applies once, you cannot cast =
the second effect on the same target - it will fail, not even queue.=0A=0AW=
ierd Huh? 20 odd years and this slips through. Why did alll those Earth mag=
es ask if I wanted SoS on ST or EN, when the obvious answer was 'both, lazy=
bones'.=0A=0AI like the suggestion that a mage cannot cast a spell or ritu=
al on a target or area that already has that spell or ritual in effect (or =
queued) and was cast by that mage. Some convention on what is meant by the =
same spell (same name and collge).=0AIt would change how a few spells are u=
sed. Water breathing =3D plan well people. Flying =3D land between casts.=
=0ASpell magic is supposed to be good, but not as good as talents or natura=
l ability, IMO.=0AIt would de-power some multi-choice spells and enhance th=
e second mage in the party.=0A=0AFood for thought, huh!=0A=0A----- Original=
Message ----=0AFrom: Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz>=0ATo: dq@dq.sf.org.=
nz=0ASent: Wednesday, 12 September, 2007 7:45:30 AM=0ASubject: Re: [dq] Rul=
ebook - multiple spell effects=0A=0A=0AI don't think that Dispel Magic was =
written with this situation in mind - it isn't clear on what happens when t=
here are queued instances of the same spell. I've assumed that it only effe=
cts one instance of the spell named (which could be queued if there is a di=
fferent spell with a same effect active), but I don't think it has ever com=
e up in practice IME.=0A =0AIf it does remove all instances of the named sp=
ell, then flying near a decent Namer becomes harder to prepare for, for ins=
tance. I play both sides of this particular issue :-)=0A =0AMy gut feel is =
that GM whim would normally decide on 'it zaps one instance', but I don't t=
hink a GM would think you are trying it on if you ask.=0A =0ACheers=0AErrol=
=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owne=
r@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of Michael Scott=0ASent: Tuesday, 11 September 200=
7 21:41=0ATo: dq@dq.sf.org.nz=0ASubject: Re: [dq] Rulebook - multiple spell=
effects=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ADate: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:11:22 +1200=0ASub=
ject: Re: [dq] Rulebook - multiple spell effects=0AFrom: jonathanB@timedisc=
iple.com=0ATo: dq@dq.sf.org.nz=0A=0A=0AHi all,=0A =0AWith Fire Armour and t=
he current rules you could reasonably say:=0A =0AGet the fire mage to cast =
10 Fire Armour spells on the warrior at rank 10 for a duration of 11 hours =
(1 in effect and 9 queuing).=0AThe warrior goes into battle and gets hit wi=
th a lot of fire damage.=0AOnce the points of protection from the first fir=
e armour is used up the spell will end.=0AThen the second one will kick in =
because the first fire armour spells duration would have ended (when the po=
ints of protection are used up). =0AThis means that given a rank 10 fire ar=
mour spell (44 points of fire protection) the warrior can in effect have 44=
0 points of protection. =0A =0AI do not feel comfortable with this seemingl=
y reasonable interpretation. =0A =0Awon't the enemy namer just dispell coun=
ter disjunction or whatever the fire armour which would remove the running =
spell and those cued? =0A=0A=0A=0AConnect to the next generation of MSN Mes=
senger Get it now!
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font-size:12pt"><DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman=
, new york, times, serif">I have always played and ruled that SoS only appl=
ies once, you cannot cast the second effect on the same target - it will fa=
il, not even queue.</DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: tim=
es new roman, new york, times, serif"> </DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZ=
E: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Wierd Huh? 2=
0 odd years and this slips through. Why did alll those Earth mages ask if I=
wanted SoS on ST or EN, when the obvious answer was 'both, lazy bones'.<BR=
></DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new =
york, times, serif">I like the suggestion that a mage cannot cast a spell o=
r ritual on a target or area that already has that spell or ritual in =
effect (or queued) and was cast by that mage. Some convention on what is me=
ant by the same spell (same name and collge).</DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">It would ch=
ange how a few spells are used. Water breathing =3D plan well people. Flyin=
g =3D land between casts.</DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMIL=
Y: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Spell magic is supposed to be g=
ood, but not as good as talents or natural ability, IMO.</DIV>=0A<DIV style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">=
It would de-power some multi-choice spells and enhance the second mage in t=
he party.<BR></DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new=
roman, new york, times, serif">Food for thought, huh!</DIV>=0A<DIV style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">=
</DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,=
new york, times, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Errol Cavit &=
lt;ecavit@tollnz.co.nz><BR>To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR>Sent: Wednesday, 12 Se=
ptember, 2007 7:45:30 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [dq] Rulebook - multiple spell eff=
ects<BR><BR>=0A<STYLE>.hmmessage P {=0APADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;P=
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ZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;}=0A</STYLE>=0A=0A<DIV><SPAN class=3D025142219-1=
1092007><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff>I don't think that Dispel Magic =
was written with this situation in mind - it isn't clear on what happens wh=
en there are queued instances of the same spell. I've assumed that it only =
effects one instance of the spell named (which could be queued if there is =
a different spell with a same effect active), but I don't think it has ever=
come up in practice IME.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>=0A<DIV><SPAN class=3D02514221=
9-11092007><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>=0A=
<DIV><SPAN class=3D025142219-11092007><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff>If=
it does remove all instances of the named spell, then flying near a decent=
Namer becomes harder to prepare for, for instance. I play both sides of th=
is particular issue :-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>=0A<DIV><SPAN class=3D025142219-=
11092007><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>=0A<D=
IV><SPAN class=3D025142219-11092007><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff>My g=
ut feel is that GM whim would normally decide on 'it zaps one instance', bu=
t I don't think a GM would think you are trying it on if you ask.</FONT></S=
PAN></DIV>=0A<DIV><SPAN class=3D025142219-11092007><FONT face=3DArial color=
=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>=0A<DIV><SPAN class=3D025142219-110920=
07><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>=0A<DIV><SP=
AN class=3D025142219-11092007><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff>Errol</FON=
T></SPAN></DIV>=0A<BLOCKQUOTE>=0A<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dlt=
r align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</=
B> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<B>On Behalf Of </B>=
Michael Scott<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 11 September 2007 21:41<BR><B>To:</B=
> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Rulebook - multiple spell eff=
ects<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR><BR>=0A<BLOCKQUOTE>=0A<SPAN style=3D"width:100=
%;height:2px;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(212,208,200); border-top:1px solid=
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</SPAN>=0ADate: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:11:22 +1200<BR>Subject: Re: [dq] Rulebo=
ok - multiple spell effects<BR>From: jonathanB@timedisciple.com<BR>To: dq@d=
q.sf.org.nz<BR><BR>=0A<STYLE>.ExternalClass .EC_shape {=0A=0A}=0A</STYLE>=
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AMILY:Arial;}=0A.ExternalClass EC_div.Section1 {=0A}=0A</STYLE>=0A=0A<DIV c=
lass=3DEC_Section1>=0A<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dna=
vy><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: A=
rial">Hi all,</SPAN></FONT></P>=0A<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><FONT face=3DAria=
l color=3Dnavy><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FO=
NT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>=0A<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><FONT =
face=3DArial color=3Dnavy><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLO=
R: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">With Fire Armour and the current rules you cou=
ld reasonably say:</SPAN></FONT></P>=0A<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><FONT face=
=3DArial color=3Dnavy><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: n=
avy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>=0A<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal=
><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10p=
t; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Get the fire mage to cast 10 Fire Armou=
r spells on the warrior at rank 10 for a duration of 11 hours (1 in effect =
and 9 queuing).</SPAN></FONT></P>=0A<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><FONT face=3DAr=
ial color=3Dnavy><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The warrior goes into battle and gets hit with a lot of=
fire damage.</SPAN></FONT></P>=0A<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><FONT face=3DAria=
l color=3Dnavy><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FO=
NT-FAMILY: Arial">Once the points of protection from the first fire armour =
is used up the spell will end.</SPAN></FONT></P>=0A<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal>=
<FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt=
; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Then the second one will kick in because=
the first fire armour spells duration would have ended (when the points of=
protection are used up). </SPAN></FONT></P>=0A<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><FON=
T face=3DArial color=3Dnavy><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; CO=
LOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This means that given a rank 10 fire armour =
spell (44 points of fire protection) the warrior can in effect have 440 poi=
nts of protection. </SPAN></FONT></P>=0A<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><FONT face=
=3DArial color=3Dnavy><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: n=
avy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>=0A<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal=
><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10p=
t; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I do not feel comfortable with this see=
mingly reasonable interpretation. </SPAN></FONT></P>=0A<P class=3DEC_MsoNor=
mal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy><SPAN lang=3DEN-NZ style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>=0A<DIV>=0A<=
P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-NZ style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">won't the enemy namer just dispell =
counter disjunction or whatever the fire armour which would remove the =
;running spell and those cued? </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQU=
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