SubjectRe: [dq] Part 5 - Humorous review of DQ magic
FromMartin Dickson
DateThu, 4 Oct 2007 11:01:29 +1300
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On 10/2/07, Keith Smith <phaeton@ihug.co.nz> wrote:

> From: "Ran Hardin" <dantalion64@excite.com>
>
> *G-1. Spell of Pyrogenesis
> *
> INTERESTING ASSUMPTIONS DEPT: The note also gives "light matches" as an
> example of what the spell can do.  Matches are a 19th century invention...
>
>
Matches a 19th C invention? This would come as something of a surprise to
the renaissance users of matchlocks.  :)

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On 10/2/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Keith Smith</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:phaeton@ihug.co.nz">phaeton@ihug.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><blockquote type="cite">From: &quot;Ran Hardin&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:dantalion64@excite.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">dantalion64@excite.com</a>&gt;<br><br>
<b>G-1. Spell of Pyrogenesis<br>
</b><br>
INTERESTING ASSUMPTIONS DEPT: The note also gives &quot;light
matches&quot; as an example of what the spell can do.&nbsp; Matches are a
19<sup>th</sup> century invention...</blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br>Matches a 19th C invention? This would come as something of a surprise to the renaissance users of matchlocks.&nbsp; :)<br></div></div>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Part 6 - Humorous Review of DQ Magic
FromMartin Dickson
DateThu, 4 Oct 2007 11:11:27 +1300
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On 10/3/07, Errol Cavit <ecavit@tollnz.co.nz> wrote:
>
>  Have we made this much more useful, or has a limiting interpretation been
> used by these people?
>
>
> *T-1 Detect Aura
> *
> A pretty worthless talent, really... "Whenever confronted by an object
> whose nature is unknown to him..." And how often is that, exactly?  Do you
> ever have trouble telling a human corpse from a parrot?  How about an elf
> from a petunia?
>
>
 Excluded middle.  Option the 3rd: Writer is a putz.  Sure you can tell a
human corpse from a parrot, but can you tell a Norwegian Blue from a Swedish
Teal... wouldn't that still count as "nature is unknown"?

Other comments, such as Lesser Enchantment not worth an FT, make me wonder
about the writer's competence.

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<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/3/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Errol Cavit</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:ecavit@tollnz.co.nz">ecavit@tollnz.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






<div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>Have 
we made this much more useful, or has a limiting interpretation been used by 
these people?</span></font></div>

  <blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px;"><span class="q"></span><span class="q"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font><br><b>T-1 Detect Aura<br></b><br>A pretty worthless talent, 
    really... &quot;Whenever confronted by an object whose nature is unknown to him...&quot; 
    And how often is that, exactly?&nbsp; Do you ever have trouble telling a 
    human corpse from a parrot?&nbsp; How about an elf from a 
    petunia?</blockquote></span></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br>&nbsp;Excluded middle.&nbsp; Option the 3rd: Writer is a putz.&nbsp; Sure you can tell a human corpse from a parrot, but can you tell a
Norwegian Blue from a Swedish Teal... wouldn&#39;t that still count as
&quot;nature is unknown&quot;?<br><br>Other comments, such as Lesser Enchantment not worth an FT, make me wonder about the writer&#39;s competence.<br></div></div>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Part 5 - Humorous review of DQ magic
FromErrol Cavit
DateThu, 4 Oct 2007 11:47:26 +1300 
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-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
Martin Dickson
Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2007 11:01
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Part 5 - Humorous review of DQ magic


On 10/2/07, Keith Smith < phaeton@ihug.co.nz <mailto:phaeton@ihug.co.nz> >
wrote: 



From: "Ran Hardin" < dantalion64@excite.com <mailto:dantalion64@excite.com>
>

G-1. Spell of Pyrogenesis

INTERESTING ASSUMPTIONS DEPT: The note also gives "light matches" as an
example of what the spell can do.  Matches are a 19th century invention...


Matches a 19th C invention? This would come as something of a surprise to
the renaissance users of matchlocks.  :)
 

Decent dictionaries make the distinction between what we think of as a
match, and the cord/wick-type thing that is presumably being referred to.
However, the comments do show a certain lack of common sense - if the rules
don't make sense, a simple check of your assumptions will often sort things
out (e.g. I checked on the meanings of 'inscribe' when the Remove Curse
description seemd odd).
 
Cheers
Errol

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  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz 
  [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Martin 
  Dickson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 4 October 2007 11:01<BR><B>To:</B> 
  dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Part 5 - Humorous review of DQ 
  magic<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>On 10/2/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Keith 
  Smith</B> &lt;<A href="mailto:phaeton@ihug.co.nz">phaeton@ihug.co.nz</A>&gt; 
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  <DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote></SPAN><BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote 
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    <DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">From: "Ran Hardin" &lt;<A 
      onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" 
      href="mailto:dantalion64@excite.com" 
      target=_blank>dantalion64@excite.com</A>&gt;<BR><BR><B>G-1. Spell of 
      Pyrogenesis<BR></B><BR>INTERESTING ASSUMPTIONS DEPT: The note also gives 
      "light matches" as an example of what the spell can do.&nbsp; Matches are 
      a 19<SUP>th</SUP> century invention...</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV><BR>Matches a 19th C invention? This would come as something of a 
  surprise to the renaissance users of matchlocks.&nbsp; :)<BR><SPAN 
  class=664462722-03102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN class=664462722-03102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Decent dictionaries make the distinction between what we think of as a 
match, and the cord/wick-type thing that is presumably being referred to. 
However,&nbsp;the comments do&nbsp;show a certain lack of common sense - if the 
rules don't make sense, a simple check of your assumptions will often sort 
things out (e.g. I checked on the meanings of 'inscribe' when the Remove Curse 
description seemd odd).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN class=664462722-03102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN class=664462722-03102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN class=664462722-03102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Errol</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Subject[dq] Racial Modifiers
FromJonathan Bean
DateThu, 4 Oct 2007 14:03:20 +1300
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Hi all,

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At the last gods meeting before the guild meeting we voted on the Racial
Modifiers issue. We voted to consider the changes proposed and then on
the 4th vote we voted to not move forward with any item and leave it for
more discussion before the next gods meeting ahead of the next guild
meeting.

=20

Keith, can I get you to post the records of what we voted on, and the
votes please to the list (maybe again but I couldn't find it if you
already posted it).

=20

What are people views on the Racial Modifier situation?

My views are I like the 500,000 exp to the racial modifier and then
dropping to a 1.0 modifier after that. I like this option as it is
simple, clear and clean.

My general intention is - I am aiming for a vote representing the
'middle ground view on Racial Modifiers' (as best I can make out) on
Racial Modifiers for the next Gods meeting.

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From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Errol Cavit
Sent: Sunday, 9 September 2007 10:05 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Racial Modifiers - (Retrospective)

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"While I think it's possible to argue a case for the EM of Giants and
maybe Shape-changers to be lowered, the other races EM's are fine the
way they are."

=20

In my head, the first question was phrased a little more widely, more of
'shall we carry on talking about the issue, or leave the status quo.'
Sorry.

As he appeared at least open to discussion of some sort of change, I
chose the combination that will lead to more discussion.

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Sadly, urgent family matters mean that I am unlikely to make it to the
meeting.

Yes to a change.

The 500k magic number (I might have preferred the table if the EP costs
for lower RMs was higher)

Don't accept any of the current proposals

=20

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Errol

	-----Original Message-----
	From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On
Behalf Of Andrew Withy
	Sent: Friday, 7 September 2007 19:07
	To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
	Subject: Re: [dq] Racial Modifiers - (Retrospective)

	Sorry, Michael wasn't in NZ on Wednesday. Must have talked to
him last Wednesday. Not sure why it seemed to recent.

	=20

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	From: Andrew Withy [mailto:awithy@ihug.co.nz]=20
	Sent: Friday, 7 September 2007 6:59 p.m.
	To: 'dq@dq.sf.org.nz'
	Subject: RE: [dq] Racial Modifiers - (Retrospective)

	=20

	I talked to to Michael Young on Wednesday night for some time on
this issue; he was dead set against changing the RMs. My "What was the
problem again?" post came out of the conversation we had. I believe he
thought that Giants and Shapechangers got a raw deal, and that their RM
should be dropped to 1.3 (I thought by -0.2 each - we disagreed) - apart
from that, I believe we agreed 100%. The "yes to a change" is a pretty
positive interpretation of his Wiki comment: "For the record I am
totally opposed to the rule change in its current form.".

	=20

	Andrew

=09
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	From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Errol Cavit
	Sent: Friday, 7 September 2007 9:13 a.m.
	To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
	Subject: Re: [dq] Racial Modifiers - (Retrospective)

	=20

	And for the record, I understand Michael Young's proxy on the
Wiki to be Yes to a change (or at least talking about it), and No to any
of the current proposals (they all change RM of
non-giants/shapechangers).

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all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>At the last gods meeting before the =
guild
meeting we voted on the Racial Modifiers issue. We voted to consider the
changes proposed and then on the 4<sup>th</sup> vote we voted to not =
move
forward with any item and leave it for more discussion before the next =
gods
meeting ahead of the next guild meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Keith, can I get you to post the =
records
of what we voted on, and the votes please to the list (maybe again but I =
couldn&#8217;t
find it if you already posted it).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What are people views on the Racial =
Modifier
situation?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My views are I like the 500,000 exp =
to the
racial modifier and then dropping to a 1.0 modifier after that. I like =
this
option as it is simple, clear and clean.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My general intention is - I am =
aiming for a
vote representing the &#8216;middle ground view on Racial =
Modifiers&#8217; (as
best I can make out) on Racial Modifiers for the next Gods =
meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Errol Cavit<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, 9 September =
2007
10:05 a.m.<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [dq] Racial =
Modifiers
- (Retrospective)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>&quot;</span></fo=
nt><font
color=3Dblack><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'color:black'>While I think =
it's possible to
argue a case for the EM of Giants and maybe Shape-changers to be =
lowered, the
other races EM's are fine the way they are.&quot;</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>In my head, the =
first
question was phrased a little more widely, more of 'shall we carry on =
talking
about the issue, or leave the status quo.' Sorry.</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>As he appeared =
at least
open to discussion of some sort of change, I chose the combination that =
will
lead to more discussion.</span></font><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Sadly, urgent =
family
matters mean that I am unlikely to make it to the =
meeting.</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Yes to a =
change.</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The 500k magic =
number (I
might have preferred the table if the EP costs for lower RMs was =
higher)</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Don't accept any =
of the
current proposals</span></font><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Errol</span></fon=
t><span
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

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style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
Behalf Of </span></b>Andrew
Withy<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, 7 September =
2007
19:07<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [dq] Racial =
Modifiers
- (Retrospective)</span></font><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sorry, Michael =
wasn't in
NZ on Wednesday. Must have talked to him last Wednesday. Not sure why it =
seemed
to recent.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></font></p>

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size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

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</span></font></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =
Andrew Withy
[mailto:awithy@ihug.co.nz] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, 7 September =
2007
6:59 p.m.<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [dq] Racial =
Modifiers
- (Retrospective)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I talked to to =
Michael
Young on Wednesday night for some time on this issue; he was dead set =
against
changing the RMs. My &quot;What was the problem again?&quot; post came =
out of
the conversation we had. I believe he thought that Giants and =
Shapechangers got
a raw deal, and that their RM should be dropped to 1.3 (I thought by =
-0.2 each
- we disagreed) - apart from that, I believe we agreed 100%. The =
&quot;yes to a
change&quot; is a pretty positive interpretation of his Wiki comment: =
</span></font><span
lang=3DEN>&quot;For the record I am totally opposed to the rule change =
in its
current form.&quot;</span><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Andrew<o:p></o:p>=
</span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Errol Cavit<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, 7 September =
2007
9:13 a.m.<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [dq] Racial =
Modifiers
- (Retrospective)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>And
for the record, I understand Michael Young's proxy on the Wiki to be Yes =
to a
change (or at least talking about it), and No to any of the current =
proposals
(they all change RM of non-giants/shapechangers).</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><a
href=3D"http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Talk:Racial_Modifi=
ers#Comments"
target=3D"_blank">http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Talk:Rac=
ial_Modifiers#Comments</a></span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Cheers</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB> <br>
</span><font size=3D2><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Errol</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Racial Modifiers
FromMartin Dickson
DateThu, 4 Oct 2007 14:39:41 +1300
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On 10/4/07, Jonathan Bean <jonathanB@timedisciple.com> wrote:
>
>  What are people views on the Racial Modifier situation?
>

I prefer the proposal of dropping the RM in 0.1 steps towards 1.0, with the
higher steps costing less than the lower. (i.e reducing from 1.5 to
1.4costs less than the final drop from
1.1 to 1.0)

Cheers,
Martin

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On 10/4/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Jonathan Bean</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:jonathanB@timedisciple.com">jonathanB@timedisciple.com</a>&gt; wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
















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<div><p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">What are people views on the Racial Modifier
situation?</span></font></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I prefer the proposal of dropping the RM in 0.1 steps towards 1.0, with the higher steps costing less than the lower. (i.e reducing from 1.5 to 1.4 costs less than the final drop from 
1.1 to 1.0)<br><br>Cheers,<br>Martin<br><br><br> </div><br></div><br>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Racial Modifiers
FromErrol Cavit
DateThu, 4 Oct 2007 15:53:42 +1300 
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From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
Martin Dickson
Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2007 14:40
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Racial Modifiers


On 10/4/07, Jonathan Bean < jonathanB@timedisciple.com
<mailto:jonathanB@timedisciple.com> > wrote: 

What are people views on the Racial Modifier situation?


I prefer the proposal of dropping the RM in 0.1 steps towards 1.0, with the
higher steps costing less than the lower. (i.e reducing from 1.5 to 1.4
costs less than the final drop from 1.1 to 1.0)

Cheers,
Martin




Can you please expand on why you prefer this to the 'earn x00,000EP and the
RM goes away in one step' approach?
 
Do you expect the variable step approach to mean that those on higher
starting RMs 'pay' more than they would under the above single-step
approach?
 
Cheers
Errol



 


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  Dickson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 4 October 2007 14:40<BR><B>To:</B> 
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    views on the Racial Modifier 
  situation?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV><BR>I prefer the proposal of dropping the RM in 0.1 steps towards 1.0, 
  with the higher steps costing less than the lower. (i.e reducing from 1.5 to 
  1.4 costs less than the final drop from 1.1 to 
  1.0)<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Martin<BR><BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><SPAN class=42254602-04102007></SPAN><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2>C<SPAN class=42254602-04102007>an you please expand 
on why you prefer this to the 'earn x00,000EP and the RM goes away in one step' 
approach?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
class=42254602-04102007>Do you expect the variable step approach to mean that 
those on higher starting RMs 'pay' more than they would under the above 
single-step approach?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
class=42254602-04102007>Cheers</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
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Subject[dq] Questions about spells
FromMichael Scott
DateThu, 4 Oct 2007 18:24:46 +1200
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Trollskin
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The spell descriptor says target entity but .......
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What if the target is a mother or a symbiote?
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Would you have to target the baby seperately?
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Could you? Given line of sight fire rules.
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Would this reverse/halt a miscarriage? would it depend on who was targeted =
mother or child.
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What about twins/triplets?
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Has the wicca bless/curse unborn child run into this problem?
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Spell Barrier
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I would conclude from the descriptor that anything/one passing through said=
 barrier has a chance of all spells in efect even permanant ones of falling=
 off, i.e wings, illusions, lesser etc.
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I would presume that the -20% off resistence for a triple would be applyed =
to the formula for any entity/object passing through.
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Is this how everyone else sees it?
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Also the formula: 40%[(+3/rank with ths spell)(-3/rank of target magic)]
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this makes no sense to me
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but I assume the intent was 40 + 3/rk of wall - 3/rk of magic =3D chance ma=
gic will fall off
e.g rk 15 wall vs rk 5 wings is 40 + 45 - 15 =3D 70%
and the triple effect would just be a extrs 20 ontop giving a final chance =
of 90% that the wings would pop.
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Let me know if I have this completly wrong as people can attest from earlir=
 posts my maths leaves a lot to be desired LOL
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TTFN
Michael Scott
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<STRONG>Trollskin</STRONG><BR>
<STRONG></STRONG>&nbsp;<BR>
The spell descriptor says target entity but .......<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
What if the target is a mother or a symbiote?<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Would you have to target the baby seperately?<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Could you? Given line of sight fire rules.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Would this reverse/halt a miscarriage? would it depend on who was targeted =
mother or child.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
What about twins/triplets?<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Has the wicca bless/curse unborn&nbsp;child run into this problem?<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
<STRONG>Spell Barrier</STRONG><BR>
<STRONG></STRONG>&nbsp;<BR>
I would conclude from&nbsp;the descriptor that anything/one passing through=
 said barrier has a chance of all spells in efect even permanant ones of fa=
lling off, i.e wings, illusions, lesser etc.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
I would presume that the -20% off resistence for a triple would be applyed =
to the formula for any entity/object passing through.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Is this how everyone else sees it?<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Also the formula: <STRONG>40%[(+3/rank with ths spell)(-3/rank of target ma=
gic)]</STRONG><BR>
<STRONG></STRONG>&nbsp;<BR>
this makes no sense to me<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
but I assume the intent was 40 + 3/rk of&nbsp;wall - 3/rk of magic =3D chan=
ce magic will fall off<BR>
e.g rk 15 wall vs rk 5 wings is 40 + 45 - 15 =3D 70%<BR>
and the triple effect would just be a extrs 20 ontop giving a final chance =
of 90% that the wings would pop.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Let me know if I have this completly wrong as people can attest from earlir=
 posts my maths leaves a lot to be desired LOL<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
TTFN<BR>
Michael Scott<BR><br /><hr />Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger!=
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